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#488332 - 02/03/20 09:05 AM Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig'
cgiles Senior Member Registered: 09/29/05 Posts: 6703 Loc: Roswell,GA/USA	Forget weight, forget transporting, forget EVERYthing except the setup you'd most like to have on a gig. What would it be? For me: B3 & Leslie 122 or 122R + Rhodes MK1 in 'L' configuration with 2 12" EV's for the Rhodes. No Synth, no Workstation, no Stage Piano, no Arranger KB, no Controller/VSTi. How about you? (Don't respond with "solo or band gig?", or "what's the venue?", et. Don't factor that in, just list your 'dream' rig. chas _________________________ "Faith means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzsche]
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#488333 - 02/03/20 09:21 AM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
DonM Senior Member Registered: 06/25/99 Posts: 16735 Loc: Benton, LA, USA	PA4X, unless something better comes along. Maybe a second kb for having additional sounds quickly available. _________________________ DonM
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#488336 - 02/03/20 09:36 AM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: DonM]
captain Russ Senior Member Registered: 01/02/04 Posts: 7312 Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA	SKI with a Roland synth of some kind on top. A piano (any mid-priced, light Yamaha on my right hand. Motion Sound top box. Light and portable. Russ PS Chas I keep a B-3, 147RV and Suitcase Rhodes at the country club where I have my jazz nights two nights a month. Two waiters, both preachers and players, move it all for me and hook it up. It's a toss-up every year, to make enough to pay for the maintenance. But when it all works, it's a BEAUTIFUL thing! R.
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#488339 - 02/03/20 09:56 AM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: DonM]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43704	Originally Posted By DonM PA4X, unless something better comes along. Maybe a second kb for having additional sounds quickly available. It hasn't been invented yet.. anyway its such a personal question... what works and the needs of one is totally opposite from the next player... this is the kind of "DREAM" post that goes on forever. but it's fun to fantasize.. Edited by Dnj (02/03/20 10:44 AM)
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#488340 - 02/03/20 09:56 AM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
Uncle Dave Senior Member Registered: 12/01/99 Posts: 12800 Loc: Penn Yan, NY	That's easy, Clavinet D6, on it's own legs - Rhodes sitting on top (no front legs) with ext legs in back, so it reaches the floor, PA4x on top for split bass and organ/synth Amps are not part of my dream rig, because the room dictates what sound reinforcement I need, but I'd most likely have 2 QSC K8s as stereo monitors on the floor facing me. Nothing I couldn't do with this rig - and I've had it already in a working band in the 80s ... but the PA4x wasn't invented yet, so the go-to synth du jour for me was the D-70. Another cool thing about this rig is that there is NO KEYBOARD stand. The Clav/Rhodes sit on 6 legs, and the synth sits on top. Solid as a rock. This pictured rig would be cool too, centered around the SV1... Attachments _________________________ No longer monitoring this forum. Please visit www.daveboydmusic.com for contact info
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#488347 - 02/03/20 10:18 AM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: Dnj]
cgiles Senior Member Registered: 09/29/05 Posts: 6703 Loc: Roswell,GA/USA	Originally Posted By Dnj It hasn't been invented yet.. Then why bother posting? ----------------------------------------- Dave, just out of curiosity, if moving, maintenance, etc. was not a consideration, would you consider substituting say an SV1 for the 'real' Rhodes? I ask because, as much as I love my KeyB organ, I would never consider substituting it for a real B3/Leslie BUT I would consider substituting my SEVEN for a 'real' Rhodes (in my 'dream rig'). chas _________________________ "Faith means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzsche]
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#488348 - 02/03/20 10:21 AM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
Bill Lewis Senior Member Registered: 11/12/08 Posts: 2450 Loc: Bluffton/Hilton Head SC USA	Thought about it and throwing out all the quailfications and just for self enjoyment probably the new Hammond XK5 full setup and two leslies plus a PA for vocals ,drum machine and maybe extra voices. Having bass pedal sustain and two extravoices to add to the drawbars would make it amazing. Not familiar with the new model but do the extravoices have seperate outs ,so lets say a piano voice could go out to PA speakers and not the leslie ? Chas- your choice of drum machine to go with this rig ??? _________________________ Bill in SC --- Roland BK9 (2) Roland BK7M, Roland PK5 Pedals, Roland FP90, Roland CM30 (2), JBL Eon Ones (2) JBL 610 Monitor, Behringer Sub, EV mics, Apple iPad (2) Behringer DJ mixer
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#488352 - 02/03/20 10:36 AM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: Bill Lewis]
cgiles Senior Member Registered: 09/29/05 Posts: 6703 Loc: Roswell,GA/USA	Originally Posted By Bill Lewis Chas- your choice of drum machine to go with this rig ??? Well to be honest, I only envisioned me and this rig with a live drummer in a trio/quartet (sax/guitar) with a great female vocalist. Hmmmm, I haven't had a drum machine since my old 880 and haven't kept up with them, since for my purposes (practicing and jamming) the BK7m works just fine....actually, better than fine, I love the thing ). chas _________________________ "Faith means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzsche]
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#488365 - 02/03/20 12:40 PM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
Fran Carango Senior Member Registered: 05/26/99 Posts: 9673 Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA	Then (Back in the day)… and now.. Then,, Roland JX10 or D70, Roland SH101 (for bass), Roland CR1000, or Alesis SR16 drum machines, and a Yamaha FM module (TX81z) Now, What I have Roland G70 and add the E-A7 for the extra goodies.(unbeatable combination) Add Roland Cubes , and Edirol M-10DX mixer.... and one or two cute girls out front _________________________ www.francarango.com
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#488366 - 02/03/20 12:47 PM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: Dnj]
Fran Carango Senior Member Registered: 05/26/99 Posts: 9673 Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA	Originally Posted By Dnj Originally Posted By DonM PA4X, unless something better comes along. Maybe a second kb for having additional sounds quickly available. It hasn't been invented yet.. anyway its such a personal question... what works and the needs of one is totally opposite from the next player... this is the kind of "DREAM" post that goes on forever. but it's fun to fantasize.. What's with the avatar _________________________ www.francarango.com
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#488367 - 02/03/20 01:23 PM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: Fran Carango]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43704	Originally Posted By Fran Carango Originally Posted By Dnj Originally Posted By DonM PA4X, unless something better comes along. Maybe a second kb for having additional sounds quickly available. It hasn't been invented yet.. anyway its such a personal question... what works and the needs of one is totally opposite from the next player... this is the kind of "DREAM" post that goes on forever. but it's fun to fantasize.. What's with the avatar
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#488371 - 02/03/20 01:56 PM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: Dnj]
Torch Member Registered: 12/17/12 Posts: 770	A Model D. _________________________ "You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free." John 8:32
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#488388 - 02/03/20 05:11 PM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
Uncle Dave Senior Member Registered: 12/01/99 Posts: 12800 Loc: Penn Yan, NY	Originally Posted By cgiles Dave, just out of curiosity, if moving, maintenance, etc. was not a consideration, would you consider substituting say an SV1 for the 'real' Rhodes? Chas, sure I could. The SV-1 actually offers more options than the Real Rhodes, but the Rhodes provides a stable workbench with a flat top. To be more modern, I could absolutely use an SV1, or a Seven (haven't played one yet). The Sev has a flat top, so I could see me using that with the synth du-jour on top. So far the PA4x is the top contender for everything it offers. Right now, my dream rig is the one I have WITH me. (whatever that may be) _________________________ No longer monitoring this forum. Please visit www.daveboydmusic.com for contact info
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#488394 - 02/03/20 07:21 PM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
DonM Senior Member Registered: 06/25/99 Posts: 16735 Loc: Benton, LA, USA	Yes, if there was a dream rig I wanted, I'd just buy it. _________________________ DonM
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#488397 - 02/03/20 07:49 PM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
cgiles Senior Member Registered: 09/29/05 Posts: 6703 Loc: Roswell,GA/USA	Originally Posted By Uncle Dave The Sev has a flat top, so I could see me using that with the synth du-jour on top. So far the PA4x is the top contender for everything it offers. This is one thing that always mystified me; putting the ARRANGER on TOP in a two-keyboard stack. The nature of arranger playing requires that the left hand be active 95% of the time and in that configuration it would always be in an elevated position. That would make me (left) arm-weary in about 15 min. of playing. Are you saying that this doesn't bother you? BTW, you are not the only one to reference this configuration. Wow, my arm aches just thinking about it (if I played arranger in a gig setting). chas Edited by cgiles (02/03/20 07:50 PM) _________________________ "Faith means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzsche]
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#488399 - 02/03/20 08:28 PM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
tassiespirit Member Registered: 01/25/08 Posts: 554 Loc: Devonport, Tasmania, Australia	What is ultimate for one person is different for another, since a while back, I thought having a combo of a Roland V-Synth GT ver 2.0 and a Roland G70 together would have worked for me. Now I would be happy with a Korg Pa4X 61 and a Nord 6D 61, but each to their own. Allan _________________________ The problem is not the problem...The problem is your attitude to the problem.
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#488404 - 02/04/20 03:12 AM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
rikkisbears Senior Member Registered: 12/22/02 Posts: 6021 Loc: NSW,Australia	Originally Posted By cgiles in 'L' configuration chas Hi Chas, Nothing else is really applicable to me ( including gigging), but I do enjoy my “L “ configuration also. My case it’s my P121/SX900. Works well. Don’t think I could get used to having arranger stacked over the piano. _________________________ best wishes Rikki 🧸 Korg PA5X 88 note SX900 Band in a Box 2022
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#488477 - 02/04/20 10:49 AM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
Uncle Dave Senior Member Registered: 12/01/99 Posts: 12800 Loc: Penn Yan, NY	Originally Posted By cgiles This is one thing that always mystified me; putting the ARRANGER on TOP in a two-keyboard stack. chas Chas, back in the day, the bass KB (Moog) always sat on the Rhodes, so I guess I'm just used to it. Having a full range chords voice on bottom appeals to me for so many rubato passages, intros, endings etc, and the small reach up to the arranger controller is negligible, at best. Another reason for the hierarchy of elevation is that I don't like having buttons and screen hidden by the top KB. I like that bottom layer to be tucked in as close as possible under the top. How different is it for a traditional B# setup where your right hand is almost always elevated? ... Things that make you go hmmmmm _________________________ No longer monitoring this forum. Please visit www.daveboydmusic.com for contact info
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#488483 - 02/04/20 11:40 AM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: Uncle Dave]
cgiles Senior Member Registered: 09/29/05 Posts: 6703 Loc: Roswell,GA/USA	Originally Posted By Uncle Dave How different is it for a traditional B# setup where your right hand is almost always elevated? ... Things that make you go hmmmmm VERY different, but I guess it's a matter of perspective (and playing technique). chas _________________________ "Faith means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzsche]
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#488488 - 02/04/20 12:45 PM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
Uncle Dave Senior Member Registered: 12/01/99 Posts: 12800 Loc: Penn Yan, NY	Originally Posted By cgiles Originally Posted By Uncle Dave How different is it for a traditional B# setup where your right hand is almost always elevated? ... Things that make you go hmmmmm VERY different, but I guess it's a matter of perspective (and playing technique). chas How so? One arm is still reaching up, playing the top tier ... it's just the the opposite arm, right? _________________________ No longer monitoring this forum. Please visit www.daveboydmusic.com for contact info
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#488496 - 02/04/20 01:30 PM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
cgiles Senior Member Registered: 09/29/05 Posts: 6703 Loc: Roswell,GA/USA	On a B3, the two manuals are actually much closer together than in the average two-stack keyboard config. Even when the top keyboard is on the flat surface of the bottom keyboard, the space from the top of the keys on the bottom keyboard to the top of the keyboard coupled with the space from the bottom of the top keyboard to the top of the keys is considerably more than on a two-manual organ. Also, on organ my right hand is divided between the upper and lower manual and usually only plays in 'spurts'. I'd hate to play full time with my left hand in the 'elevated' position as in typical 'arranger' playing. Lastly, my right hand is stronger than my left AND more dexterous. If you're eating Cheetos while watching a porn movie, when it's over, note which hand is orange-colored. ...unless, of course, you're a 'lefty' . chas _________________________ "Faith means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzsche]
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#488498 - 02/04/20 01:36 PM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43704	Originally Posted By cgiles On a B3, the two manuals are actually much closer together than in the average two-stack keyboard config. Even when the top keyboard is on the flat surface of the bottom keyboard, the space from the top of the keys on the bottom keyboard to the top of the keyboard coupled with the space from the bottom of the top keyboard to the top of the keys is considerably more than on a two-manual organ. Also, on organ my right hand is divided between the upper and lower manual and usually only plays in 'spurts'. I'd hate to play full time with my left hand in the 'elevated' position as in typical 'arranger' playing. Lastly, my right hand is stronger than my left AND more dexterous. If you're eating Cheetos while watching a porn movie, when it's over, note which hand is orange-colored. ...unless, of course, you're a 'lefty' . chas Chas exactly!! That is why I always disliked a two kb stack set up...not for me at all. Hammond got it right for sure as you say if you have to play 2 keybeds..
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#488511 - 02/04/20 02:34 PM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
Bernie9 Senior Member Registered: 09/21/02 Posts: 5542 Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA	Interesting topic that I have pondered,without great results,for years. Like many,I come from the B3 era,and also wanted to transition to keyboards. My first rig was a hollowed out Gulbranson spinet with 2 Peavey KB3 cabs. I was 23 in "64,so the weight was relatively light. In the years since,I tried 2 platform stands,but the reach killed me,even though the hight differential was fine. The second tier stands,as we know,don't cut it,but close on some. Today,I mostly have forgotten the idea,except with my Korg MicroKey Air. It is so thin and narrow,one can place it in front,at the same level. There is always a but--,and that is fooling with midi. I can midi it into the main keyboard,or,bring my SD40. No real solutions,just a bunch of past memories. _________________________ pa4X 76 ,SX900, Hammond SK1, Ketron SD40,Ketron Event X Centerpoint Space Station, Bose compact
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#488519 - 02/04/20 03:51 PM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
DonM Senior Member Registered: 06/25/99 Posts: 16735 Loc: Benton, LA, USA	I ain't TOUCHIN' that line about watching porn while eating Cheetos. That's just too easy a setup. _________________________ DonM
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#488521 - 02/04/20 04:15 PM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
Fran Carango Senior Member Registered: 05/26/99 Posts: 9673 Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA	On my Hammond, the top keys are 2 and 7/16" above the lower manual, and the top overlaps the lower about an inch.. I can play both manuals together with the same hand _________________________ www.francarango.com
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#488528 - 02/04/20 04:55 PM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: DonM]
tony mads usa Senior Member Registered: 01/16/02 Posts: 14376 Loc: East Greenwich RI USA	Originally Posted By DonM I ain't TOUCHIN' that line about watching porn while eating Cheetos. That's just too easy a setup. That joke is older than me !!! _________________________ t.
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#488534 - 02/04/20 07:14 PM Re: Your ULTIMATE 'gig rig' [Re: cgiles]
Uncle Dave Senior Member Registered: 12/01/99 Posts: 12800 Loc: Penn Yan, NY	... a guy asks his doctor for something to keep his erection longer because he has a big date with TWINS later that evening. He takes the prescription and heads home. Next day he goes back to the doctor and shows him a mangled, throbbing, red, sore penis ... asks for Ben Gay. The Doctor says "you can't put Ben Gay on THAT!" ... Guy responds - the Ben Gay is for my arm - the girls never showed up! _________________________ No longer monitoring this forum. Please visit www.daveboydmusic.com for contact info
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