Donny, no disrespect, I mean it. But shouldn't you get those questions resolved (to your satisfaction) BEFORE you actually purchase the machine? I mean, shouldn't you know ahead of time that whatever the solution is, it will work for your intended usage? Seems to me that the questions you are asking are PRE-PURCHASE questions. In any case, hope it works out (although spontaneous/reactive decisions rarely do).

I know you scoffed at the 'Nintendo' suggestion and I'm sure it was said 'tongue-in-cheek', but it does seem that you've pretty much exhausted the keyboard search route as a means of finding meaning in retirement, so maybe not 'Nintendo', but SOMEthing else.

I know full well that we don't have to read posts that we find annoying, however when we're bombarded with a sometimes WEEKLY series of 'purchase/avatar change/demo barrage/after-purchase questions/effusive praise/notice of return or sale', all interspersed with liberal dollops of advice to others on what THEY should buy. "Physician, heal thyself".

It's none of my business, I know, but on a forum, what you choose to share becomes everybody's business. To be honest, I just hate to see you squander money trying to attain the unattainable by buying keyboards every other day. Sure, it's not MY money but it's got to be depriving SOMEbody of SOMEthing. I'm just saying, take a breather, try something else (preferably something less expensive), 'cause clearly, buying keyboards ain't doing it. Talk to Fran, you know he has your best interest at heart and I'm sure he might be able to provide some perspective that you may not find acceptable coming from me. Good luck, buddy.

chas

Chas thanx for your concern, but NO Thanx.....
and being I never got an answer to my query I ask again maybe someone will have a solution if it exists...no disrespect but my business isn't yours or anyone's business.....
have a great musical day.

now does anyone have an answer regarding my question on Playlist?

at 1:28 the playlist is further explained..

He lost my attention in the first 30 seconds

Dave it's about the playlist at 1:28..
that's my concern

Yeah but he put me to sleep before I got there.

1- The Playlist saves folders.
2- The folders can have 1 to 8 songs.
3- The playlist calls up what ever you have put in the folder.

If you are trying to use the Sx900 to fits the system that you used on another keyboard, it ain’t gonna do so well. WHY NOT TAKE THE SONGS AND USE THE SYSTEM THAT YAMAHA IS OFFERING? A little bit of learning—no a little bit of relearning.

I have 10 folders with 8 songs in each. They are called sets, each set fits what I would normally use – depending on the people. I have a set for 50’s, one for sing-a-long, a Latin set, and sets that have mix styles and tempos. I can cover just about any crowd that comes in the door. That is about 80+ songs. I also have a second playlist that has an additional set, 80+ songs.

The money songs, songs that are in big demand, they are saved one song to one folder, 8 Regs. I can do a much better job one to a folder. For lyrics and chords I am using OnSong app in my iPad. The songs are arranged the same as the system above. Each song has the info I need for the Playlist. Right now, my Playlist is being set up for song that I love to play, that is how all this started for me.

If there is an open mind, any keyboard can be set up what you need, if you use their system. Some not as good as others some take longer than others to get what you want. For me – how does it sound after I programed it.
Dave wants, no needs the on-board speakers – I was going to remove mine because of the weight. AND we are both right.

I hope my facts are right, lately I am not sure why I came into the room. (smile)

Hope this helps, John C.

Dave sorry, I love you but, who cares if you lost your attention????????

I prefer to add playlist folders containing "BANKS"of a single song name with 4 "REGS"in each bank. I can have as many song names(banks)as I want in a folder. Donny ran into trouble because he had put 8 different songs(regs) in each BANK. He then could not see the individual songs. I am sure there are many ways to organize,but I have a folder e.g,called MEM FAVORITES with 80 banks,each named after the song,each have 4 regs(panel settings. I have several folders in my USER playlist area,containing various lists.

The point is that you can easily make new playlist FOLDERS,containing as many banks as you wish.

Nothing new to me , and he is doing his best :-)

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No Donny you can not do exactly as you asked. You will not get each song to show in he playlist...ONLY the folder name, that's why we make a folder for each song...

The key is this, I WANT multiple registrations for EACH song....And most everyone else does too.
So I setup a folder (registration bank to be specific) for, let's say Memory from Cats, I have 4 registrations I use for that song, (for different parts of the song) works great! Yamaha designed it so we can use 1 or up to 8 registrations per SONG.

IF you do it the way you asked, you will only see the individual registration names (songs in your example) by looking at the registrations edit screen once you call up the registration bank(folder)...
Hope that makes sense to you...

Lee thank you for the info,....listing and renaming songs as registrations folders is ridiculous as I expected the Playlist is totally useless to me and my needs using 1 registration per song ...
it's just the way I do it,..so far I really like the sx700/sx900/genos for many reasons but NOT the Playlist feature is definitely not one of them for sure ....The Korg SongBook got it right and is Far Superior in that regard for the live player. Yamaha should take a major lesson from them nuff said.
I never used the MFD on previous units and unless it is changed in future updates on the sx/genos models.
I will not use the Playlist feature now for the reasons I stated.

Take care

Donny, Interesting how needs vary...I can not even imagine using 1 registration for each song. Yes the OTS gives 4 different sound combos, but I want other parms to change too and 4 is not enough for some orchestral renditions.

Remember PLENTY of memory, so for your needs, just use 1 reg bank with 1 reg for each song....simple, I see absolutely no reason why this will not work for you....don't be stubborn now, ha, ha,.....then Playlist is ok for you.

But hundreds+ of songs will have to be renamed in folders
all that work is insane..I understand for your orchestral work of which I would love to hear on teh sx900 might make sense using all those registrations for each song.....
but as a live performance OMB player for me it doesn't work.

As I contemplate purchasing a 900, I keep reading that it's not conducive for live play. I never had a problem with my (way back) 3000 - it worked like a champ and was able to change songs/do medleys without a glitch.


Tell me this board is designed for live play.

Zuki only you can determine if it is workable for LIVE play for YOUR needs some features are and others are not in my opinion. Personally for YOU I would Keep your KORG after all the work you out into it and many features like the fantastic Songbook, TC helicon VH, sliders, knobs, keyfeel, etc, will be missed on sx models. I'd say go play one try it out first and get a good sense of using it with YOUR needs in mind.
will be missed for sure.

Who said he wasn't?

First off what does this have to do with the playlist...
that said I await Zukis report back after he auditions a SX900....should be an interesting comparison between
the Pa3x/Sx900

good luck

Zuki - I took mine out the same weekend I bought it. It's a super easy top navigate OS, and the layout is very intuitive, especially since the touch screen was added to the Yammie camp. Don't hesitate to consider this for live play - and if you want to save a few sheckles ... I just "happen" to have a deal for ya ....

http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthread...y_..#Post488669

Which is best to use, 8 songs in one folder, or one song per folder? BOTH!

I do not need 4 OTS and 8 Regs. for a polka. (One song per folder)
And when playing How High the Moon, I want the 8 Regs. and 4 OTS.
To have the correct answer we must know the method used when looking for the next song to be played. That makes all the difference in the world.

My method using 8 songs per folder (REG): I use OnSong for my lyrics. (in my iPad) Chords and notes are optional. Each song has the folder number and Reg number. EX. 8-3 No need to see the bank on the keyboard and select Reg Bank Edit – for me that is doing the job backwards. I am selecting a song from the 10 banks I created. They are numbered 001 to 011. The name in the bank is the first song in the bank, this helps me to remember than other 7 Regs. If all fails, I have a master list of the 10 banks and what songs are in them. I rarely use it.

My method Using 1 song per bank: I need all 8 regs and the 4 OTS to give this song all I got. The songs come my list 001 to 011. For special songs only.

The changes that can be made: Variation --- Accompaniment volume and change of instruments --- adding pads --- adding intros and endings – and sometimes I go to a different similar style for effect.

Please tell us your method of selecting the next song, and how you find it in the keyboard. Knowing this will make this type of post a positive. It may also give us some new great ideas.
John C.

Posted by
Bernie --I prefer to add playlist folders containing "BANKS"of a single song name with 4 "REGS"in each bank.
Donny ran into trouble because he had put 8 different songs(regs) in each BANK. He then could not see the individual songs.

JIm, SX900 is fine for live play. For me this playlist feature is the proverbial “goose that laid the golden egg.” As they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Donny, I wander if there is not a PC program that would help you do the renaming/organizing you need to do?
Did you check Jososoft's stuff, he has a ton of cool programs?
Once you had it done it would be easy to do new stuff.

a) some people just need constant attention
b) I don't believe half of the "latest purchase" remarks
c) less "keyboard of the week" posts hopefully will lead to more actual "music talk?"

Donny, Please tell us your method of selecting the next song, and how you find it in your keyboard. Knowing this will make this type of post a positive. It may also give us some new great ideas.

John C

All I need is ONE list of my songs, Reg/SMF,Mp3 (singularly)
NOT IN FOLDERS in alphabetical order that can be scrolled through using a dial while playing songs in style or song mode simultaneously...
is that too much to ask? Korg songbook does it why can't Yamaha.

Right now as always you have to press BOTH Reg buttons/select song folder/press EDIT to open/the select your song..one registration
PER SONG

Chas, mark, and your cronies can try to ruffle my feathers with your rhetoric but personally IDGAS and really and I am being polite just ignore you both...if you don't like my post or others simply don't open and read them or believe them. Chas you were doing so well but alas your back to being angry again, too bad I thought during the holidays we were sought of being friends again but that has just ended.

Donny, save yourself the Yama-angst. It's back to Korg for you, lad.

Donny, I'm sorry Mark decided to rehash this; I thought it was dead and buried. But just out of curiosity, what is it you think I'm so "angry" about? I've often praised your vocal ability and musicianship and yes, I have sometimes expressed puzzlement over some of your buying decisions (none of my business for sure) but so have most of the other members of this forum except for your enablers who continue to encourage you in this costly and seemingly endless pursuit of the 'perfect' keyboard. I think most of us have concluded, rightly or wrongly, that what you're really pursuing is a cure for 'boredom in retirement'. I mean, who cares how quickly you can retrieve a song on a live gig if you aren't playing any live gigs? Look, I'm not angry and bear you no ill will. I responded to what appeared to me to be destructive behavior but I had no right to do that, so my apology's. Have a good day.

chas

Sorry but not again with KORG...when they up the game to the
quality sound level of the Sx/Genos Yamaha arrangers that is #1 on my list
I may be interested in the future models....
but I will give Korg props over Yamaha for features, navigation,
Vocal harmony, and songbook,...I have made my peace with the Sx700.

take care

Ok Chas understood, I am willing to try again...just please don't worry about my well being or what anyone using their crystal ball fantasizes it to be,...and let's just discuss music ok I really enjoy listening to your renditions?
As for the other person mentioned, let's just say "Non Gratis"
nuff said!! and that's putting it mildly.

let's carry on shall we?

Donny, now that the psychoanalysis has subsided, how does the 700 compare to the 900 sound wise? Also, is the playlist issue something you can make work for your needs?
Good luck,
Mitch

Mitch nothing really different sound/style wise that party I am extremely happy with...
just a few less features vs sx900 that I really don't use CS, VH, & the speakers I shut off and
use my KRK Monitors in stereo or a Pa system.
Of course some can use the playlist but it's not for me
in any way as it is now if an OS change is made with my needs
I might look at it again,....
either was the MFD in previous models just useless for me no transpose saved, tiny text, etc,...
I'm fine using the registration buttons

"Donny, Please tell us your method of selecting the next song, and how you find it in your keyboard. Knowing this will make this type of post a positive. It may also give us some new great ideas."


I am repeating my post because I would like to help.

1-You are playing a song – and getting ready to play another song –How do you normally decide what song you are going to play –and based on what thinking.
2-How do you find that song in the keyboard.
Korg has a great system, and so does Yamaha.
John C.

All I need is ONE list of my songs, Reg/SMF,Mp3 (singularly)
NOT IN FOLDERS in alphabetical order that can be scrolled through using a dial while playing songs in style or song mode simultaneously...
is that too much to ask? Korg songbook does it why can't Yamaha.

On my Sx700 I use the assignable buttons ...

I assign one of the buttons to "REGISTRATION BANK INFORMATION"
then I can easily just hit that assignable button and the reg menu opens up listing all the songs in a list for that bank.......
then I can use the REG buttons + or- to go thru the Pages of songs 8 songs per page....

As far as what songs to pick I just look at the audiences and choose what ever I feel is needed to have a great show. No play list ever...every show is different..

Here's how I do it:

My "next song" choice is almost always dictated by the dance floor. What tempo - what style etc. If I make the choice, then I call up the drum pattern needed, and when the current song ends, I push the style select for the new beat, tap the tempo, and we're off to the races.
I don't have to "find" the song - just the type of beat it uses.

his screen did not appear very responsive...at times having to press twice.
QUESTION. Is there a Screen Touch Setting ?

When I moved to Korg I was excited when I found that I could add my choice of OTS instruments when saving. On the Kn7000, if you wanted different OTS, you had to rewrite the style.

I agree with your method of selecting the next song to be played.

Korg SongBook:

1-Set up your info, style, instruments ect.
2-Then save them to the SongBook.
You are playing a song, and want to get the next song ready. Open SongBook, scroll until you find the song you want. Press and play.

PlayList:

1-Repeat #1 above.
2-Save one song in Registration #1
3-In PlayList box top right press Add Record – all the regs. show the song/reg you created.
4-Select which ones you want, or press All – then Press Add to PlayList. It will ask you where to save. Write the name you want and then save.

You are playing a song, and want to get the next song ready. Open PlayList, scroll until you find the song you want. Press and play. You may have to press the song in PlayList, and then Reg #1.

Donny, my memory of Korg is fading, hope I didn’t miss something.

Open for correction, John C.
PS, and there is more that makes PlayList great, and your job easier.

Why waste an assignable button to get to the reg menu. Just press +- regs at the same time...bingo.

I think the topic is often confused,and regardless of Donny,has need for clarification. Folders hold banks of 8 regs,and can hold any number of various named sub folder,in USER for example. When folders are confused with BANKS, Everything breaks down in understanding the hierarchy.

John C. I like the way you’ve compared the Korg and Yamaha systems. That’s about as clear as one can explain it. Good post!



And that’s another good explanation.

I just tried to be Donny for a couple minutes....I have a large playlist, and a few smaller ones setup too. I brought up the large list. My list is several hundred songs, some MIDI, some style oriented. All the songs are in alpha order. I played one...then scrolled to find the next one..played it...etc. My playlist has one song per Registration bank, and in my case one registration per song. Works nicely.

The nice thing about this setup is if I want to add a few more registrations to a song I can easily do that...for different parts of the song.

When using just one registration for a song, I can, of course use OTS for 4 different sounds.

Pretty flexible.

I had a Korg PA2XPRO a few years ago...it sure was different with song book, and that was nice too.

Changing from one to the other would be, however a big job (but only needed once).

Am I missing something....as example going from Korg to Yamaha don't you have to start over anyway? Different style, different sounds different playing parameters etc. etc.

So why is the playlist such a big deal to do?

Lee remember with 4 OTS used with one song per REG that also includes 3 sounds per OTS giving you a total of 12 RH sounds.

Sorry Donny, you just added something that would make your playing more involved. You get the same thing by pressing one Reg. ++++++ a lot more.

Put on your thinking hat, you’re missing something. When you press the little buttons to change your instrument in the OTS, what you get is a different instrument, and that is ALL YOU GET. You are not thanking advantage of the other 10 options that the keyboard is offering. (small thinking)

Come on Donny, make me proud, (SMILE) (BIG SMILE)
John C.

John everyone plays and navigates the keyboard differently...
there is no one way to do it.....I play off the cuff using a full repertoire song list and what ever sounds I need at the time
for the song I'm singing to, one Reg for One song. Pretty much I mix and match so every time I play the song it's a little different depending on my mood. I don't like to be regimented to the same arrangement each time that is too boring for me. I enjoy creating and arranging on the fly as i play and sing more fun for me that way. BUt it may not be the way others play and that is fine also. There is no right or wrong ..the only thing that matters is
"What it sounds like"

Yes, and that is probably fine for most songs....
My real point is going from Korg to Yamaha don't you have to re-do the songs/registrations anyways? So making a playlist entry for each song....no big deal.

I don't think there is a easy way to convert what you have on the Korg anyways....even if the playlist worked exactly like the songbook.....you still have to setup a song, style and maybe tweek the sounds for the OTS if needed...right?

Hi,
I’m setting mine up 1 song, one registration bank.
I can use 1 registration or I can use all 8.
Basically I don’t want to have to go back and redo them all, if eventually realise I’m missing out on something by not having done it this way.

For my set up 1 registration per song wouldn’t work anyway.


I’m using p121 as controller for my sx. I can’t really press any of the registration buttons whilst playing or even the one touch settings.
I have an L shape configuration . I have assigned my registrations to a foot pedal, just say reg 1. Vari 1, reg 2 vari 2, reg 3 vari 3 etc, I can assign any pads I want to use, and chord loops , ( should I ever get around to using them) assign sounds etc etc.
I just press the pedal, which I can reach, and each press takes me thru the registrations in the order I have programmed them in for that particular song.

Works brilliantly.