I wouldn't use SuperNatural acoustic sounds as style parts, it's hard to control how they behave in preprogrammed styles, and they can easily create polyphony problems. I'd use them only for live parts.
Indon’t see this...
In a style it will sound exactly the same each time you play the track As there is no randomness in the behaviour..
I am a huge fan of Roland SN sounds.. I don’t see how using them in a style is wrong.. if the behaviour is not what you want, just change the midi data..
There are no other polyphony rules for SN sounds then for PCM sounds..
My jupiter 80 has 10 SN sounds for keyboard parts and full 256 part polyphony.. So no polyphony limitations for SN parts
I've read about frequent problems with polyphony, or timing, with SN-A sounds. Various Integra users experienced timing issues when using too many SN-A tracks in sequencer files. The processor cannot cope with too many SN-A sounds. The Jupiter was probably better equipped in this respect in view of its 256-voice polyphony, while Integra and BK-9 have 128-voice polyphony.
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There were comments that the processor/ polyphony performance had glitches, I never experienced this on my Integra7. I midi from my G70 and played styles using the selected SN-A sounds, and they played properly. I don't believe the BK9 allows you to use any of the 22 SN sounds in anything but real time parts (No styles or SMF).
When I midi from G70 to I7 , styles use 8 parts, the SMF used 16 parts, without any noticeable issues. Maybe the issues reported were PC problems associated with Integra7.
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I will wait till summer to see if Roland comes out with a product that has the 256 Supernatural acoustic sounds and 1109 Supernatural synth sounds. (keyboard or module).
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Hate to bring it up again but last night I was ready to scream ! In my continued quest for simplicity in my Styles on my BK9 I put in a SN DP for my UP1 voice. Assigned a Phaser MFX to it and using the control slider it worked perfectly. Went to another Style, did the same thing and nothing, no effect ! Double checked every setting and they were the same as the first Style but the MFX wouldn't work
WHY !!!!
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New theory... when you select the style it automatically applies a One-touch memory. And the One-touch memory has its own set of MFX settings? Is there a way you can use "Performance Hold" or set up some kind of lock in the Global menu so MFX doesn't change when you select a new style?
It could also be a software bug. Perhaps when you load a style that wasn't natively created by Roland on the BK-9, it is accidentally writing to a memory area that controls MFX?
I admit, I don't understand MFX very well, and I really haven't dug too deeply into the BK-9 since I got mine.
I will wait till summer to see if Roland comes out with a product that has the 256 Supernatural acoustic sounds and 1109 Supernatural synth sounds. (keyboard or module).
If not I will get another Integra 7.
They plan to bring them all and more to the new Fantom (SNA) They just added the first 40 in patch 1.50 The new Zen-core engine of the fantom is the next step for the SN synth engine It also has the `v-piano engine..
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Ted Thanks for the thoughts. I look into it more and maybe just have to live with it or find a more compatible sound in the BK9 library. Theres others I like but wanted to use the best offered.
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By Fran Carango
I will wait till summer to see if Roland comes out with a product that has the 256 Supernatural acoustic sounds and 1109 Supernatural synth sounds. (keyboard or module).
If not I will get another Integra 7.
They plan to bring them all and more to the new Fantom (SNA) They just added the first 40 in patch 1.50 The new Zen-core engine of the fantom is the next step for the SN synth engine It also has the `v-piano engine..
Bachus, I can't find info on the 40 SN-A sounds .. Do you have a list or link to info?
I found it.. Version 1.5.. some good enhancements..
It appears to only have 25 SN-A tones, and none of the popular piano , EP, Guitar, or organ tones (yet).. Maybe by summer , it will be more attractive to me
I will wait till summer to see if Roland comes out with a product that has the 256 Supernatural acoustic sounds and 1109 Supernatural synth sounds. (keyboard or module).
If not I will get another Integra 7.
They plan to bring them all and more to the new Fantom (SNA) They just added the first 40 in patch 1.50 The new Zen-core engine of the fantom is the next step for the SN synth engine It also has the `v-piano engine..
Bachus, I can't find info on the 40 SN-A sounds .. Do you have a list or link to info?
I found it.. Version 1.5.. some good enhancements..
It appears to only have 25 SN-A tones, and none of the popular piano , EP, Guitar, or organ tones (yet).. Maybe by summer , it will be more attractive to me
Check out this video..
It holds all the SNA sounds in 1.5 Also shows the editor for the sounds
This is supposed to be just the first batch More comming.. espescially the organ and guitars will be very welcome For piano and ep, there is the v-piano.. altough limited by 1 instrument at max in a setup
Edited by Bachus (02/12/2010:00 AM)
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