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#489246 - 02/14/20 05:51 AM Getting a realistic Bagpipe Sound On Your Arranger
MusicalMemories Offline
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Ive been trying to get a realistic Bagpipes sound for Highland Cathedral.
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#489267 - 02/14/20 08:54 AM Re: Getting a realistic Bagpipe Sound On Your Arranger [Re: MusicalMemories]
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The technique I use is to first establish the base note for the left hand, which is usually a relatively low "A" note that is constantly held.

Next, play the melody with your right hand, using a Floyd Kramer type of fingering. I don't have my keyboard here at home right now, but if you listen to 254 in the attached midi you'll get the idea of how I do it. https://app.box.com/s/t6neciwv2k8iskswjtu2pw238r4x0nd8

Gary cool
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#489272 - 02/14/20 09:13 AM Re: Getting a realistic Bagpipe Sound On Your Arranger [Re: MusicalMemories]
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I recorded Highland Cathedral some years ago with Roland Integra bagpipes and MOXF pipe organ... The Integra bagpipes, especially those from SRX06 and also 09, are really good. Many synths and arrangers don‘t care about bagpipes and have very poor samples.
https://soundcloud.com/rorosetree/highla...ntegra-bagpipes

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#489274 - 02/14/20 09:16 AM Re: Getting a realistic Bagpipe Sound On Your Arranger [Re: MusicalMemories]
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start with an oboe, and tweak the resonance, and filter
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#489280 - 02/14/20 09:58 AM Re: Getting a realistic Bagpipe Sound On Your Arranger [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Originally Posted By Uncle Dave
start with an oboe, and tweak the resonance, and filter


Examples please.

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#489281 - 02/14/20 10:05 AM Re: Getting a realistic Bagpipe Sound On Your Arranger [Re: MusicalMemories]
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Oh, I haven't got that kind of time, but you can add buzz, and squeal with a few knob turns. It already "sorta" sounds like a bagpipe when you play it like one.
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#489286 - 02/14/20 10:52 AM Re: Getting a realistic Bagpipe Sound On Your Arranger [Re: MusicalMemories]
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You probably want to get a bagpipe ensemble, so I'd try to combine several oboes (if there are no bagpipe samples) and, additionally to what >Uncle Dave< said, slightly detune the pitch of these oboes individually. I know, unfortunately arrangers have heavily restricted capabilities to combine several samples to one voice compared to synthesizers, I hope it will be possible at all.

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#489289 - 02/14/20 11:36 AM Re: Getting a realistic Bagpipe Sound On Your Arranger [Re: MusicalMemories]
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I'm thinking that you want the bagpipes for the LEAD voice, correct? You wouldn't necessarily have to combine the samples to the same voice. You could assign oboes individually to R1 and R2, and then use a fine detune. Or you could activate RH automatic harmony aka Melody Intelligence, and try various settings to get the ensemble effect.

I remember experimenting with various ethnic sounds when I first got my PSR-3000. The Bagpipes sounded like someone strangling a cat!

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#489292 - 02/14/20 12:12 PM Re: Getting a realistic Bagpipe Sound On Your Arranger [Re: TedS]
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Originally Posted By TedS
The Bagpipes sounded like someone strangling a cat!


Well that's authentic, alright smile.

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#489295 - 02/14/20 01:01 PM Re: Getting a realistic Bagpipe Sound On Your Arranger [Re: MusicalMemories]
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Thanks for the input folks.
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#489316 - 02/14/20 03:43 PM Re: Getting a realistic Bagpipe Sound On Your Arranger [Re: MusicalMemories]
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This, at best, will be difficult to reproduce, but it could be done with the technique I described, then through a series of registrations. Damned I miss having my keyboard here. I would love to try this one using some of the Yamaha special movie styles I have available.

Good luck,

Gary cool
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#489370 - 02/15/20 02:17 PM Re: Getting a realistic Bagpipe Sound On Your Arranger [Re: MusicalMemories]
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Here are some free samples for Yamaha:

http://www.cms-sounddesign.de/page108_en.html

Scroll down to bottom of page to find 4 free samples. wink
Eric


Edited by Eric, B (02/15/20 02:19 PM)
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#489376 - 02/15/20 03:51 PM Re: Getting a realistic Bagpipe Sound On Your Arranger [Re: MusicalMemories]
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Originally Posted By MusicalMemories
Ive been trying to get a realistic Bagpipes sound for Highland Cathedral.
If you play a lot of Celtic music, the Celtic board by V3 Sound is excellent. If you don't need their arranger module, they can put the board in a box and use it as an external module. You can listen to all the Celtic instrument and percussion sounds here. BTW, do you know the name of the 1st song V3 Bodhran Slow Waltz?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z24pD6xhCU&list=PLN8FOCMGxk1gEBptQQUjMGFNY9L32hqmz&index=1
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#489440 - 02/16/20 03:03 PM Re: Getting a realistic Bagpipe Sound On Your Arranger [Re: MusicalMemories]
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The pipes and drums tune is excellent, sounds very real. V3 again...

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#489462 - 02/16/20 08:29 PM Re: Getting a realistic Bagpipe Sound On Your Arranger [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By travlin'easy
The technique I use is to first establish the base note for the left hand, which is usually a relatively low "A" note that is constantly held.

Next, play the melody with your right hand, using a Floyd Kramer type of fingering. I don't have my keyboard here at home right now, but if you listen to 254 in the attached midi you'll get the idea of how I do it. https://app.box.com/s/t6neciwv2k8iskswjtu2pw238r4x0nd8

Gary cool


You might want to consider creating a drumset containing a single sample with the bassnote/buzz generated by pressing the bagpipes..and then using a multipad to generate it,,,

This gives your left hand the freedom to play chords,, or/and an other part,,,
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