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#489391 - 02/16/20 06:58 AM Upper keyboards, and playing dynamically
Bachus Offline
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My Geons is placed about 12” above my Jupiter 80..
Both are in Horizontal position..

I am having more and more problems playing the upper keys dynamically..
My arm position does not really allow to play hard notes fluently..


Big advantage of this setup, i can play the Genos while standing, thats why its in a horizontal position. But while sitting, i rely on the jupiter 80..and my mfc10 for controll of the styles...

Another advantage, i have really come to appreciate the Roland jupiter 80..

But i would love to be able to have more comtroll over my Genos...
I didn’t much notice this, untill i played a dual keyboard organ last week..
Which was such a pleasure..
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#489392 - 02/16/20 07:03 AM Re: Upper keyboards, and playing dynamically [Re: Bachus]
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Sounds interesting can we see a pic of the setup to get an idea of what your talking about?

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#489393 - 02/16/20 07:10 AM Re: Upper keyboards, and playing dynamically [Re: Bachus]
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Look at a Standtastic KSB122 stand. Can be adjusted for any playing position for two keyboards. Long search but I'm very happy with mine. Packs up small and light too.
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#489409 - 02/16/20 09:50 AM Re: Upper keyboards, and playing dynamically [Re: Bachus]
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Yes, exactly why the design of the organ is so good. As to standing with this setup...you would need a stand that is easy and quick to adj height. Overhanging, slightly tilted down upper keybed, (maybe Hammond didn't?) close to lower is absolutely Ideal. Unless you need to get to buttons etc on a lower keyboard.

That is the setup I am working on, but a plain Jane MIDI 61 keybed is hard to find...and a lot of the others are too tall at the rear and have knobs etc. I would love a basic Fatar 61 with MIDI controller allowing a split for the lower, and don't need any other function, just keybed.
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#489410 - 02/16/20 10:35 AM Re: Upper keyboards, and playing dynamically [Re: Bill Lewis]
Bachus Offline
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Originally Posted By Bill Lewis
Look at a Standtastic KSB122 stand. Can be adjusted for any playing position for two keyboards. Long search but I'm very happy with mine. Packs up small and light too.


Thanks..

My K&M stand can do just that, or even more..

However, if i go any lower, i can not see all controlls and the screen. of the lower keybed..
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#489411 - 02/16/20 10:36 AM Re: Upper keyboards, and playing dynamically [Re: leeboy]
Bachus Offline
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Originally Posted By leeboy
Yes, exactly why the design of the organ is so good. As to standing with this setup...you would need a stand that is easy and quick to adj height. Overhanging, slightly tilted down upper keybed, (maybe Hammond didn't?) close to lower is absolutely Ideal. Unless you need to get to buttons etc on a lower keyboard.

That is the setup I am working on, but a plain Jane MIDI 61 keybed is hard to find...and a lot of the others are too tall at the rear and have knobs etc. I would love a basic Fatar 61 with MIDI controller allowing a split for the lower, and don't need any other function, just keybed.


They should make a Genos with 2x76 keys..
Waterfall keys, semi weighted, with aftertouch..
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#489412 - 02/16/20 10:37 AM Re: Upper keyboards, and playing dynamically [Re: Bachus]
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The reason a dedicated two manual organ is ideal is because the controls for BOTH manuals is on the TOP keyboard. In a two keyboard setup with the Arranger on top and 'dumb' controller on the bottom, it's NEVER going to work. Stop trying smile smile.

chas
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#489413 - 02/16/20 10:46 AM Re: Upper keyboards, and playing dynamically [Re: Bachus]
leeboy Offline
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Chas, Wrong....with an arranger on top you have all the controls on top just like organ, IF you just use a dumb lower MIDI kbd. The problem arises if you use a lower that is not dumb...then you need o get to the controls of the lower and cannot put the upper literally right on the rear of the lower, on a slight angle and overlapping a little. I do not need any control on the lower manual, well, maybe joystick or Mod, pitch wheel, which are now usually in the way.....just keys. 61 will be just fine with my SX-900. Still looking for the ideal lower kbd to add.
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#489414 - 02/16/20 10:52 AM Re: Upper keyboards, and playing dynamically [Re: leeboy]
Bachus Offline
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Originally Posted By leeboy
Chas, Wrong....with an arranger on top you have all the controls on top just like organ, IF you just use a dumb lower MIDI kbd. The problem arises if you use a lower that is not dumb...then you need o get to the controls of the lower and cannot put the upper literally right on the rear of the lower, on a slight angle and overlapping a little. I do not need any control on the lower manual, well, maybe joystick or Mod, pitch wheel, which are now usually in the way.....just keys. 61 will be just fine with my SX-900. Still looking for the ideal lower kbd to add.


Arrangers fail in allowing you to set this up properly..
Because all their controlls are aimed at a single keyboard..
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#489475 - 02/17/20 07:49 AM Re: Upper keyboards, and playing dynamically [Re: Bachus]
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Actually it can be done(sort of if you have the right keyboard) heres how I did it . Its still
a work in progress.

In the picture you see I build a prototype of a keyboard stand that allows me
to put my pa600 on top.
Right below on the bottom shelve is the samson controller. The spacing is around
7” or less between keyboards.

I go to my 16 track sequencer mode and set the following:
track 1 = organ upper
track 2= organ lower manual (controlled by samson)
track 3 = bass pedals (controlled by studiologic midi pedals)

midi cabled as follows:
midi out of bass to midi merge box in
midi out of samson to midi merge box in
1 midi cable from out of midi merge to midi in of korg.

Now here’s what I found :
it works. Now when I switch back to style mode , the controllers still trigger the designated sound
even though im in style mode. So I can play bass pedals from the sequencer and mute the auto bass track in style. I got this idea from korg uk. They have a package that converts your pa600 to a spinet type organ with pedals.


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