My Geons is placed about 12” above my Jupiter 80..
Both are in Horizontal position..

I am having more and more problems playing the upper keys dynamically..
My arm position does not really allow to play hard notes fluently..


Big advantage of this setup, i can play the Genos while standing, thats why its in a horizontal position. But while sitting, i rely on the jupiter 80..and my mfc10 for controll of the styles...

Another advantage, i have really come to appreciate the Roland jupiter 80..

But i would love to be able to have more comtroll over my Genos...
I didn’t much notice this, untill i played a dual keyboard organ last week..
Which was such a pleasure..

Sounds interesting can we see a pic of the setup to get an idea of what your talking about?

Look at a Standtastic KSB122 stand. Can be adjusted for any playing position for two keyboards. Long search but I'm very happy with mine. Packs up small and light too.

Yes, exactly why the design of the organ is so good. As to standing with this setup...you would need a stand that is easy and quick to adj height. Overhanging, slightly tilted down upper keybed, (maybe Hammond didn't?) close to lower is absolutely Ideal. Unless you need to get to buttons etc on a lower keyboard.

That is the setup I am working on, but a plain Jane MIDI 61 keybed is hard to find...and a lot of the others are too tall at the rear and have knobs etc. I would love a basic Fatar 61 with MIDI controller allowing a split for the lower, and don't need any other function, just keybed.

Thanks..

My K&M stand can do just that, or even more..

However, if i go any lower, i can not see all controlls and the screen. of the lower keybed..

They should make a Genos with 2x76 keys..
Waterfall keys, semi weighted, with aftertouch..

The reason a dedicated two manual organ is ideal is because the controls for BOTH manuals is on the TOP keyboard. In a two keyboard setup with the Arranger on top and 'dumb' controller on the bottom, it's NEVER going to work. Stop trying .

chas

Chas, Wrong....with an arranger on top you have all the controls on top just like organ, IF you just use a dumb lower MIDI kbd. The problem arises if you use a lower that is not dumb...then you need o get to the controls of the lower and cannot put the upper literally right on the rear of the lower, on a slight angle and overlapping a little. I do not need any control on the lower manual, well, maybe joystick or Mod, pitch wheel, which are now usually in the way.....just keys. 61 will be just fine with my SX-900. Still looking for the ideal lower kbd to add.

Arrangers fail in allowing you to set this up properly..
Because all their controlls are aimed at a single keyboard..

Actually it can be done(sort of if you have the right keyboard) heres how I did it . Its still
a work in progress.

In the picture you see I build a prototype of a keyboard stand that allows me
to put my pa600 on top.
Right below on the bottom shelve is the samson controller. The spacing is around
7” or less between keyboards.

I go to my 16 track sequencer mode and set the following:
track 1 = organ upper
track 2= organ lower manual (controlled by samson)
track 3 = bass pedals (controlled by studiologic midi pedals)

midi cabled as follows:
midi out of bass to midi merge box in
midi out of samson to midi merge box in
1 midi cable from out of midi merge to midi in of korg.

Now here’s what I found :
it works. Now when I switch back to style mode , the controllers still trigger the designated sound
even though im in style mode. So I can play bass pedals from the sequencer and mute the auto bass track in style. I got this idea from korg uk. They have a package that converts your pa600 to a spinet type organ with pedals.

One of the things I noticed while in my search for a new stand was how some players use two X Stands at different heights, one behind the other. No tilt but height adjustable.

korg pa600 spinet organ setup. there is special software installed on this unit.

this is another setup i use. a very flexible setup.

A very nice setup ...
neat and proficient good luck thanx for sharing

What site can you get the Korg setup from?
I can't seem to find it...
I wander what keyboard they use for the lower??

Yes, been considering that, but i can not find a high quallity 76 key midi controller..
With my Genos, it would also require an expensive app to assign Genos sounds to the lower keyboard and have zones on the upper and lower keyboard.

heres a video of the korg ultimax pa600. sounds a litlle to "organy" for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SrAQqhD4Rk

How do you fasten it to the ceiling?

Bachus,
When I had a similar setup working a few years back:
I had the lower keyboard SPLIT, LH sending MIDI ch 1 for left voice on PA2XPRO AND chord recognition.

RH of lower KB sending MIDI ch 4 andplaying the RH voice of PA2XPRO

The upper was for RH voice's 1 and 2.

MIDI pedals was for bass in style channel, can't remember MIDI ch but was easy to do.
This worked super with all mt registrations, songbook, and all the styles...Only extra work I did was on some registrations/styles I created my own version with RH3 voices I wanted on the lower.

As to a quality 76 MIDI kbd, I used a CME UF70 (sold it a while back) but you can definetly find a good one , be sure it has ability to do split (2 seperate MIDI channels)

Not to worry about the sound....his demo was for organ guys....all the sounds of a Korg PA600 (or whatever top keyboard you use) are there....

I notice thats a table type stand with a scond tier. What type of attachment gave you the second tier.? I was looking to do that with my table stand

It's a " on stage " brand table top 109.00 and the second tier is 45.00 . I got mine from zzounds.com. Works nice for this setup.

Ksa 7150 table top stand=109.95
Ksa 7500 second tier = 46.00
Zzounds.com

I have the exact same stand and second tier. The stand is great, the second tier sucks. A great choice if you need room for pedals and good stability.

chas

I have a Genos set up as a twin manual with pedals. l started off with an old KN7000 stand and made a new section to raise the Genos over a Yamaha NP31 lower manual. Added a set of Roland PK9 pedals and linked it together with a V-Console. You can use a regi stick RS4 from Yamaha club to link it all together too. Playing wise it's no different to my Technics G100 organ.

Russ

Russ, please tell me more..
1) Is the Yamaha NP31 just connected to the Genos with 5 pin MIDI?
2) You bought V-console from Bee Software?
3) Regi Stick RS4?? What is it exactly? How much $$ does it cost?
$ I was looking at a Yamaha NP32 for lower KBD but it only has USB MIDI, not sure how to connect??

Thanks,
Lee

Thanks I didn't thin there was a good second tier for table type stands. They say its for the Z stands so I skipped it.

I have the On Stage Z stand and 2nd tier...Pretty good stuff.

Hi Lee,

The NP31 and PK9 pedals are linked to the V-console using 5 pin midi plugs. You can also specify with Bee Software if you need USB connectors to connect the NP32 to the V-Console.

The RS4 is a USB that contains 480 registrations. It also has midi templates to connect another keyboard and pedals if required. l'm not 100% certain, but think the templates woyld work with Genos etc too. It costs £36.29 from Yamaha club https://www.yamaha-club.net/shop/regi-stick-rs4-tyros4.html
Glyn Madden runs the Yamaha club and you can contact him by email info@yamaha-club.co.uk. l'm sure Glyn would be able to help you with any other questions you might have.

Kind regards,

Russ

Russ, Thanks very much...that points me in the right direction. unfortunately Yamaha decided to REMOVE the 5 pin MIDI out on the new NP32!!....why they do this stupid stuff is beyond me, do they really think the only way we will use a NP32 is to a PC?

So, I cannot connect the NP32 to the SX-900, I would have to go through a PC (latency??) but if I use V-console (expensive) it might work that way. OR use an expensive USB host MIDI interface. to connect the NP32 to the SX-900.

I think I will get the USB from Yamaha Club if they make one for SX-900, and will ship it to me....I bet it has lots of nice stuff on it. The one you have is for Tyros 4?? nLooks like John at Bee SW does not at this time support the SX-900...maybe someday??
Thanks
Lee

Hi Lee,

l was lucky enough to find probably the last NP31 in the UK when l bought it. l bought that instead of the 32 for the same reason with the midi connection. As l said in my last post, John Beesley who invented the V-console can supply USB connections to get round the midi problem.

l bought the RS4 regi stick purely for the registrations. l'm sure you'll find quite a few nice registrations to your liking.

Just noticed you're in Florida. Florida's become like a second home to us, having been there 23 times on vacation since 1992 We usually stay along the 192 near the junction with the 27. First 2 years we went we stayed in Leesburg. Looking forward to visiting again soon.

Kind regards,

Russ

Russ, OK I'll ask John...are you saying he has a setup for using a NP32 instead NP31?

Also, how could the RS4 work on a SX-900 the regs will be different, right? there for a T4

Let's do lunch next time your in FL!

Hi Lee,

Yes there is a setup for the NP32. John supplies USB connections with the V-console for anyone who doesn't have a midi connection with their keyboard. Here's John's email addy in case you don't have it john@beesoftware.com

I use the RS4 in my Genos and haven't had any problems so far. I can't see why it wouldn't work with the 900. As far as l know it's the same as any 3rd party registrations, where you might have to substitue the odd missing voice etc, but as l say, l haven't had any problems using it on the Genos so far.

Lunch sounds like a great idea, be good to meet a keyboard friend there.

Kind regards,

Russ

Hi Lee,
My p121 is connected via my laptop, and 2 USB cables, I don’t have any latency issues.
I did with my iPad ,though, but one of my connections was via Bluetooth, and I’m pretty certain it was causing the latency problem.

Russ, OK, sounds all good...
Let me know if your heading down!
I'll get the detail from John....Also I have ask him a couple times if/when he is going to support the SX-900 with his range of products, no answer so far...

Rikki, Sounds like you have it figured out fine....
I would like to connect a NP12 or 32 to my SX-900 without any PC involved, but I have learned to do that requires a box that has USB host capabilities...have not found a cheap one yet. Yamaha pulled the MIDI connectors off the newer NP series, dumb move.

Unfortunately, yes, like the DGX640... You‘d need the big iConnectMidi4+ for that purpose, or alternatively the smaller version in combination with an iPhone or iPad.

to save merely a couple dollars, they leave off MIDI.....we need to tell them to cut that out!

All of us...

IConnect is the answer for all your midi flexibillity needs (and audio)
When you want to both connect ipad and mac/pc in your setup, they are incredible

Hi Lee,
I sort of have the luxury of being able to use my laptop, I don’t use it for anything other than Band in a Box or XG Works, ( now as interface for sx900/p121). I have it permanently set up behind my p121, on a stand along with my monitor speakers.
Not a setup I would want in my living room mind you, but works in my little studio/spare bedroom.

The type of interface Crossover mentioned, sounds interesting.

Thank you Bachus and Crossover, always good to have options .