According to Dan Patrick (lieutenant governor of Texas)on Fox news, older Americans are prepared to die to save the American econnomy from a Corona crisis?

So how do older Americans feel about this?

Overhere in Holland we clearly set economics in the stable and put ou4 shoulders under our healthcare system.. nobody here understands things like this...

Sorry, i should have posted this in “the bar” forum..
Butbin general only post here, realized me to late that i dont think this board is aplace for p9litical discussions
So is there a way to move this discussion there?

Bachus I think at the very least you can edit or delete
your own posts.

Well, to be honest, removing the post feels like saying it didnt happen
But the sad truth is it did happen.
Which mostly tells me that there are many more sick people in our world then just corona patients..

And i did some more research, there are more people asking to stop anti corna measurements because it hurts the Economy (which could also be translated, it will cost them and their rich friends money)

No, i would prefer if Nigel moved the topic to the pub. I dont want to think people this isnt happening..

And I certainly don't want that to happen either ...

In all fairness, he didn't say seniors were prepared to die, he said HE was prepared to die.
He is known for being quite a renegade and doesn't represent the way most of us feel, regardless of political affiliation.
His argument was that more people will die from a world-wide depression than from the virus. He obviously overlooked that such a depression is far from a reality, more a very remote possibility.
Much is being done by people around the world to develop treatment and prevention drugs and the restrictions in place will slow the spread of the virus until these projects are realized.

Ditto!

Unfortunately, there are some people who don‘t care very much about the elderly and younger people with medical risks.
There‘s an Austrian psychiatrist whose Youtube videos about Austrian psychologists I found quite interesting, but now I‘m shocked as he thinks countries are in danger of turning into totalitarian systems due to the shutdowns, curfews etc., and he shows no insight that society should temporarily sacrifice a part of their freedom and normal life in order to protect the risk groups.
There seems to be quite a number of people who say there‘s no problem with someone dying from Corona who statistically would die within the next years anyway. I am really shocked about the moral of some people...

Hi,
to me, IF us oldies and people with medical problems , are the only reason for having to shut everything down all over the world, then maybe we need to be isolated and “ looked after “ till they find a solution to the problem.

I for one would be happier knowing my sons still have their jobs, that they won’t lose their homes because they can’t pay their mortgages , their kids can go to school etc etc.on the off chance I might get corona virus.

I’d be happy to make the sacrifice of spending the next 3 to 6 months at home, provided I had food , medicine etc to keep me going.

I get tired of hearing 80% to 90% are only going to get it mildly but we have turn the world upside down for the ones who are vulnerable.

Yes there’s a lot of selfish young people out there, but probably a lot of old selfish ones too.

Rikki,

Good point. The elderly should stay put and maybe it'll come to that. My thought is for the infants and little ones that are susceptible too. I thought they were high risk also, but haven't heard much about that lately.

Hi Zuki,
don’t know about the USA, but over we’ve only had 1 child under 10 years and one baby contract it , so far. Hopefully it stays that way.
The only people that have passed away have been in their very late 60’s thru to their 90’s and with underlying medical issues.
The vast majority of cases we have, are people returning home from overseas with it.

For the last few days, we haven’t stepped out the door, except for a 30 sec trip into the vets to pick up my dogs meds ( which he can’t do without).
Sanitised my hands, sanitised the meds container, the meds were ready to go, just had to tap my credit card and bolted.
We also get our shopping delivered, just gets left at the front door.
Just have to be super careful, if I get sick, hubby’s in trouble also because he’s a parapalegic and confined to a wheelchair.

Just have to hope we didn’t catch anything the prior week when we did go out to do a bit of grocery shopping, trying to get bits my regular store didn’t have.

No reason to suspect we did, but look forward to the 2 weeks being up.

Anybody can get the virus, however it is mainly only the older and those with underlying health conditions that it will be serious, also once you have had it you are immune and cannot pass it on, thus medics are looking at tests to find those that have had it so that they can get back to work in helping others and getting the economy back on track. (Both are vital if we are to survive)
One of the biggest problems at the moment is the shortage of test kits, even though manufacture has been ramped up. (According to the news New York only has a third of what is needed even though the US has massive manufacturing capacity)

Bill

Test kits is a main problem, thats why here in Holland they only test the moment people need to be hospitalized..

Its not so much the number of test sets, but the capacity of the labaratories to do these tests.. its not a simple lick the sticky test, but it requires quite a few steps in a medical labratory

There is just to many selfish people in general..
But the thats a huge part of human legacy..

Overhere in Holland they seriously considered isolating the old and needing..
But with the ease that the virus spreads that was not a realistic option..

Maybe its easier to look at this part, when you live in a country with real social security? People really don’t need to worry about this in Holland. There are real measures in place that help people out..

Financially Holland can cover a semi lockdown for a few mon5hs, including the aftermath...

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Test kits is a main problem, thats why here in Holland they only test the moment people need to be hospitalized..

Its not so much the number of test sets, but the capacity of the labaratories to do these tests.. its not a simple lick the sticky test, but it requires quite a few steps in a medical labratory [/quote]

Hi Bachus,
Basically here too. Currently You have to have fairly severe symptoms before they’ll test you, or if you know you’ve had contact with someone who has it.

They’re hinting something on the horizon for testing next week. Don’t know if it’s something new or whether we’ve managed to get a heap of extra kits.

Bosch has just developed a quick test: a cartridge is put into a machine, and the test is ready in 2.5 hours. Reliability is stated with 95%. However, this won‘t ramp up the total capacity very much as the number of machines will be limited; it‘s mainly helpful to test medical staff quickly to ensure they are not infected.

Today a huge discussion in our parliament..

The company that has the production rights to sell and do these tests in Holland refuses to share it with other companies. Yet they do not have the capabilities to create and do more tests..

So in my book, this sounds like murder.. espescially when you know that many other companies do have this capacity and some are even willing to create these test at costprice...

Its the same as what made me startthis topic, some people place their own financial needs above other peoples lives..

In my holy book this sounds like an indirect case of voluntary manslaughter..

It's certainly beyond any acceptable ethics...
And just checking the death toll of over 400 and the number of positive cases around 7,500 in the Netherlands, it strongly seems there is not enough testing and the dark figure is much higher, so you could really use these machines.

We do need them, but there are other reasons our number of deaths is so high. Many elderly people overhere in Holland that are allready sick, choose voluntary not to get treated, knowing if they don’t die of Corona, they will die in less then a year anyway for other cause..they are not up for another fight. this brings the number of deaths relatively high..

Whats more important is that the number of deaths we have each day is just rising very slowly... in opposite to countries like Italy and spain and now France..

We got the most cases form a) Canavalle and b) wintersports in Austria..which both caused a boom in. Numbers..

We here in Holland have no clue however who is comtaminated.. but then thats the same as in other countries, as people seem to be spreading the disease witouth being sick..

And we do not have the number of tests to find out who is possitive at home..they cant even test medical staff..yet the Swiss Company Roche refused to work with us on a solution.

The situation changed yesterday evening, as under political and social oressure the company gave up its claims.. seems we can now produce these tests in. Holland... but that takes time..