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Since my discovery of the midi guitar compatibility with the SD7, my thoughts now wander to the possible upgrade to an SD60. (someday) Has anyone here made that leap? I've seen a few videos and the two seem to sound, look and perform much the same. Are the SD7 limitations still there in the SD60? These two concern me:
1) delay when loading styles 2) antiquated pedal, and monitor/TV/connections (much prefer 1/4 pedal and HDMI
The SD60 seems to be in the same case as the SD7 - is the weight the same? Speakers the same? Power, etc? Too much time on my hands .... so many questions.
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Originally Posted By Dnj
part one of the selling process of the SD7? just sayin..]
Oh no, my young padawan .... this is me wondering what ELSE can improve my shows. This unit has surprised me more than I thought it could, so now I want to know what I can gain, if anything from a more current model. As you know, this one came into my hands quite by accident ... or maybe not ? Time will tell. The only thing I know for certain is ... I am I am I I am intrigued.
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Originally Posted By Dnj
I don't think you need much improvement on your shows...
Aw shux - that's nice for you to say, my friend, but as you know, to stay alive in this crazy business, you hav e to be a chameleon. I want the best tools possible to inspire me, and make me want to put up with all the "business" end of Show Biz. Miss Piggy sad it best when she said "It's not Show ART, it's show business!" Thanks for the nod of approval - means a lot.
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Rikki, Haven't seen the manual of the SD60 yet - still learning the SD7. From whta I hear on line - there is not a significant difference in sound to lean me towards upgrading, but if the loading delay issues were addressed - I might change my mind. I understand that the styles are loading real audio samples, and that take a lot of processing power, so it may just be something to live with if you want that sound. The pedal and TV connections are a minor concern, and if the delay hasn't gone away - I'll probably stop thinking about it. The load time is the only thing that really makes a difference to me.
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I would investigate investing in AJ's Solid State Drive with his package loaded. Things seem to load faster with it, as I recall. You could ask him about it.
Rikki, Haven't seen the manual of the SD60 yet - still learning the SD7. From whta I hear on line - there is not a significant difference in sound to lean me towards upgrading, but if the loading delay issues were addressed - I might change my mind. I understand that the styles are loading real audio samples, and that take a lot of processing power, so it may just be something to live with if you want that sound. The pedal and TV connections are a minor concern, and if the delay hasn't gone away - I'll probably stop thinking about it. The load time is the only thing that really makes a difference to me.
Is there some way of telling whether the processor has improved? I remember back from my sd1 days, the manuals were pretty bad, not a lot of info, not to say they haven’t improved. Sounds like you need to find someone who’s had both,or better still someone who has both.
Are you talking milliseconds to load or seconds?
Not sure if there is a Ketron forum other than here?
Have you been in touch with AJ?
Have you checked the weight difference!! Unless not an issue. No more shots at Fran’s G70. Haha
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Please see answers below >>>
Originally Posted By Uncle Dave
Since my discovery of the midi guitar compatibility with the SD7, my thoughts now wander to the possible upgrade to an SD60. (someday) Has anyone here made that leap? I've seen a few videos and the two seem to sound, look and perform much the same. Are the SD7 limitations still there in the SD60? These two concern me:
1) delay when loading styles >>>AJ:- The SD9/60/90 load styles instantly thanks in part due to the dual processor found in these units (similar idea to what's found in the Audya series). So, despite the fact that these units have a bigger task of loading audio wave samples associated with their styles, there is NO HOUR GLASS in contrast to that displayed when the SD7 loads it's resources.
2) antiquated pedal, and monitor/TV/connections (much prefer 1/4 pedal and HDMI >>>AJ:- Same hardware accessories and connections on the back as SD7. Please find attached to this email a document we released earlier on detailing and explaining the differences between the current KETRON products. If someone can make this open/display here as a page, without folks having to download, that will be great.
The SD60 seems to be in the same case as the SD7 - is the weight the same? Speakers the same? Power, etc? Too much time on my hands .... so many questions.
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Originally Posted By Uncle Dave
Since my discovery of the midi guitar compatibility with the SD7, my thoughts now wander to the possible upgrade to an SD60. (someday) Has anyone here made that leap? I've seen a few videos and the two seem to sound, look and perform much the same. Are the SD7 limitations still there in the SD60? These two concern me:
1) delay when loading styles 2) antiquated pedal, and monitor/TV/connections (much prefer 1/4 pedal and HDMI
The SD60 seems to be in the same case as the SD7 - is the weight the same? Speakers the same? Power, etc? Too much time on my hands .... so many questions.
Dave, I can tell you one of the main reason that I got SD9 after I bought the Sd7 was because of the delay when loading styles, especially when during live, it’s not too bad, but it’s bugging me, other than that I think I could be happy doing live gig with Sd7, not really sure about your other question 🤓
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Originally Posted By Uncle Dave
OK, I've read the specs, listened to the demo's, talked with owners and ...
Dave, with all due respect, this (video) may be 'INSTANT' but it sure ain't 'FUNK'. Am I a connoisseur of funk? Well, yes...pretty much. This is sanitized Bulls..t pretending to be something it's not. The truth is, you're unlikely to get real, honest-to-g.d funk out of an arranger (style). A few exceptional musicians like Marco Parisi can do it because of what they are able to add to a basic beat, which is to add their own innate sense of rhythm and syncopation; something a machine can't capture. You want to hear REAL funk, listen to some James Brown or George Clinton or Bootsy Barnes or the Funk Brothers or even Tower of Power. Sorry Bro, you can't fake the funk .
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Originally Posted By cgiles
Originally Posted By Uncle Dave
OK, I've read the specs, listened to the demo's, talked with owners and ...
Dave, with all due respect, this (video) may be 'INSTANT' but it sure ain't 'FUNK'. Am I a connoisseur of funk? Well, yes...pretty much. This is sanitized Bulls..t pretending to be something it's not. The truth is, you're unlikely to get real, honest-to-g.d funk out of an arranger (style). A few exceptional musicians like Marco Parisi can do it because of what they are able to add to a basic beat, which is to add their own innate sense of rhythm and syncopation; something a machine can't capture. You want to hear REAL funk, listen to some James Brown or George Clinton or Bootsy Barnes or the Funk Brothers or even Tower of Power. Sorry Bro, you can't fake the funk .
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LOL - You all missed my point! I posted that video to say that "I'VE" got my mind made up! Nothing more. Don't really care for the tune. After weighing the options (and Fran, the SD60 IS 41 lbs, like Rikki pointed out) I have decided that an SD60 is no in my plans. There's not enough reasons to upgrade (for me) even though the dual processors eliminate the load delay. They sound almost identical, and that's good enough for me. Now - for some REAL Funk ... I I still want Doc's job someday!) Chas - I'm hurt that you included my boyz as an afterthought!
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Originally Posted By Fran Carango
Chas what about this?
It's okay, maybe a little better than average for 'arranger funk' but nobody (that knows music) is ever going to mistake it for the 'real' thing. The guy hits all the right notes and is obviously a good player BUT if you listen to him alongside of say Marco, you'll know the difference. Could Marco Parisi squeeze some funk out of that EA7? Yeah, probably, 'cause it's like Paul always says, it's the keyboardist, not the keyboard. BUT, go back and listen to that George Duke video and then try to tell me that Ketron (or any other MACHINE) has 'live drums'. Be careful how you answer if you still want to call yourself a musician . Hey, in the vernacular of the street, "it is what it is".
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I have to search, but I posted awhile back about the weight difference and got confirmation (from AJ) that the 41 lb spec was an error. I think the sd60 is 2 or 3 lbs more than sd7.
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I have to search, but I posted awhile back about the weight difference and got confirmation (from AJ) that the 41 lb spec was an error. I think the sd60 is 2 or 3 lbs more than sd7.
That’s one heck of a mistake to have on a spec sheet, if that’s the case. Rather sloppy. For customers who can’t see an item before they buy, they rely on spec sheets, videos, and feedback from other players.
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