Hello Fellow KN7000 players,

As you can read on the KESO site in my biography I have played KN1000, 3000, 5000 and now 7000. There is one great feature I miss in the keyboards since KN3000; it was in KN1000, 2000 and 3000. Yes, you know it by now? DYNAMIC ACCOMPIMENT. I loved that feature on the KN3000 playing live. It made especially the music much more realistic. Does anybody know why it's taken out since then. Every keyboard should be downward compatible, isn't it?

Kind Regards, Fred

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Kind Regards, Fred

I agree with you Fred, as do many other members of the Forum. It was a great feature and it would be good to have it reinstated in a future instrument......
ARE YOU LISTENING TECHNICS ?????
The subject has been discussed at length in earlier threads on this Forum... Have a look here : http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum25/HTML/000815.html


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Willum

Bill,
I'm afraid that Technics is not listening, at least not here in the USA. Their employees are prohibited from monitoring the forums in the work place and in that case I doubt that they would have any incentive to monitor on their own time.

It's too bad but they could get some real insight into how their products fair in the market place. In most part they would be thrilled with the accolades given to the KN7000, and by looking at the "wish" lists, they could see how to improve their product in the future.
However, Technics is succesful in spite of appearing that they have their head in the sand. I wonder where they really get their ideas from? It would be interesting to know.
Walt

I still have a 3000 and thought I would give the Dynamic Accompiment a try.

Maybe it's me, but I don't notice any difference with it ON or OFF.

Could be that's why Technics nixed it

Larry Hawk

Hello

I used to have a KN1000 and although the book said something to the effect that by stiking the keys harder in the left hand that some changes would occur in the accompaniment making it more like peforming in a live band. But, I'll have to admit, I never heard any change, even though I tried it on a number of occasions. But yes, the way they described the way it should work would be an excellent idea. I know some keyboards the backround will change according to the chords one is playing. I don't know if the 7000 does that because I have never seen one.

Best

Scott Langholff

Hello Lahawk and Scott,

On my KN1000 in the old days I had similar problem that is was not very noticable. But also my aftertouch was not working. It appeared just a simple potmeter setting in the keyboard, done for free by my retailer, and on my KN3000 it worked just great. The SwingRock pattern was my favorite. I had dyn. Accomp. always on. I have sent the links of these forum pages to panasonic. I think they should hear it over and over again. Maybe it could be added to the KN7000 as a patch or so.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by lahawk:
... Maybe it's me, but I don't notice any difference with it ON or OFF.[QUOTE]

Depends a bit of your "playing style" Larry.
Try press a bit harder when play a chord in
left hand when the autocomp are going, and
you'll hear the different ways of variations
or other "break" types, a kind of more "live"
feeling when playing.
I miss it, thought it was a nice "goodie".
Happy playing.
GJ

Btw, if I don't remember it wrong, it is also
possible to adjust how hard you have to strike
the keys before any changes will happen.
Somewhere in the settings......

[This message has been edited by Gunnar Jonny (edited 08-27-2003).]

I had it on my kn1000 and really liked it ...can't figure why you guys couldn't hear a difference on yours ... I was disapponited when I saw it was NOT on the kn6000 ....
also, I really liked the 'applause' variation on the kn1000 where it would go into a rhythmic beat as if at a rock concert... I was sorry that was gone as well .....
t.

Hi,
I must admit I tried using it too ( on kn3), and didn't notice any difference. Maybe I didn't play the keys hard enough.

best wishes
Rikki

Gunner, and all the fine KN'er's

On my old 3000 you hold the Dynamic Accomp button down, and you get a choice of
Heavy
Normal
Light
Extra Light

I tried all 4 and no matter how hard I played the chords, I still don't hear any difference in any setting.

In the Instruction Manual: It changes each accompaniant pattern of the Auto Play Chord, depending on the condition of the performance, each ACCOMP part changes. (Don't you just love Technics Manuals)

Also on a side note, I was told by a Technics Dealer, that Dynamic Accompaniment was not needed on later keyboards, especially the 7000. Since I do not notice a difference with Dynamic Accompaniment on the 3000, and the 7000 Accompaniment already sounds dynamic to me, I'll have to agree with him. Simply no need for it.

Larry Hawk

Hello Rikki,

Well, The KN3000 was the last Technics keyboard with this feaure and I could hear it clearly. But yes you have to learn the style of using touch sensitive playing with your left hand. Juts take the Jazz Rock or Swing Rock Style, play a chord by softly striking the keys. listen to the monotonous rythm. Then hit play this chord again but hit the keys harder. On my KN3000 it worked great and I'm sorry it is no longer avalailable anymore.

I seem to remember that the function only worked on certain styles such as Jazz and Big Band for example ?? ( It was a long time ago for me)

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Willum

Hi All

I just went and tried it again on the 3000..and YES there is a difference.(Better on some rhythms then others). Since we all have a different style of playing, it was a matter of finding the right setting, for me it was "Light". By hitting the chord a little harder at the right time, it's almost like a fill-in.

On second thought, maybe it should be on the 7000, but then again, does the accompiment on the 7000 really need any help ?

Larry Hawk

Nice one Larry Found 'The Lost Chord' Eh? In my opinion, it would still be worth incorporating in an instrument as good as the KN7000, no matter how good the styles are. I would rather have this facility than the pathetic 'Harmoniser'


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Willum

I fully agree with that I hardly use the harmonizer, since it sounds unnatural. Only for certain loud bigband settings it's OK, else manual harmonizing is the real thing.
But there is not an easy workaround for the missing dynamic accompiment. Only creating some fill-ins under the pads and then use them a bit randomly. But that's annoying and still not a good alternative.

It's been several years since I played my kn1000, but I thought the dynamic accomp was triggered by harder or faster playing in the RIGHT hand ?!?!? ........
t.

No. As the function name says: dynamic acompiment. So harder playing the chords have the effect of randomly selected fill-in's on all preset, built-in rythm patterns.

Regards, Fred

Tony is CORRECT!!! The KN1000's Dynamic Accompaniment was triggered by faster or more intricate playing in the RIGHT HAND! It was a very fundamental method of adding to the pattern, which only had one variation. I remember this clearly, and when the KN2000 came out, it had the 4 Variation buttons instead.

To be honest, I've never missed the Dynamic Accompaniment since, as the Technics chaps who create the rhythm patterns and their variations, are the most superbly versatile musicians one could wish for!

I think you should all sit down and have a good listen to some of the styles on your KN5s/6s/65s/7s, beginning with Intro, working your way through each variation and their DIFFERENT fill-ins, to the Ending. Consider also how the Intros to certain styles are completely different depending on whether you start in a major or minor key!

Now, come on, guys, exactly what MORE do you want, eh? We own what is arguably the finest, most versatile and easy-to-use all-round gigging/entertaining/recording keyboard.

Finally, let's not forget the absolutely SUPERB software from Technote! Has anyone else heard the KN6000 Accompaniment Update Vol.1? These patterns from the new PR903 have got to be heard! So, who needs 'DYNAMIC ACCOMPANIMENT' anyway?

Regards

Neil Bennett

OKAY, before I get shot down in flames for talking rubbish in my last posting!... I've just had a look at my brochures for Technics keyboards:

The KN1000 has 3 so-called 'Rhythm Variation' buttons, in addition to the Dynamic Accopmpaniment, (or D.A.). The brochure describes D.A. as "...an advanced new function(then!)...which detects in BOTH HANDS, how hard and fast you strike the keys..."

The KN2000 has only 1 Variation button, strangely, as well as D.A.

Then, as KN3000 owners know, the now-familiar 4 Variations & M.S.A. arrangement appeared, with D.A. still intact.

I guess, by the time the KN5000 arrived, D.A. was superfluous, due to the reasons I mentioned in my previous reply. The powerful Composer and Sound Arranger allow for far greater flexibility than D.A. ever could!

Any further thoughts?...

Neil Bennett