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#495285 - 04/22/20 05:51 AM
Re: What next?
[Re: DonM]
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#495302 - 04/22/20 08:30 AM
Re: What next?
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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About 15 years ago, I purchased an emergency generator, one large enough to power the entire house. Cost me about $400, manual start, fires up on the first pull of the starter cord. Spent another $150 to have an electrician to have the connections made to the house. This, after the passage of a hurricane put us out of electric for 4 days. Best investment I ever made. Especially that I am now on life support with an oxygen generator 24/7. During the past few years, I have spent a lot of money on home safety equipment, including an electric stair lift chair, handicap accessible bathroom, safety rails and shower seat, electric scooter, handicap ramp for front steps, outdoor step rails, scooter transport rack for the car and two portable oxygen generators. Getting old can be a bit expensive, but in the long run, it's worth it. The items listed above can be essential to life, especially during a power failure if you happen to be dependent upon them to take that next breath. Everyone wants to go to Heaven, but no one wants to go this afternoon. Gary
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#495304 - 04/22/20 08:49 AM
Re: What next?
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 11/12/08
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Loc: Bluffton/Hilton Head SC USA
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Don I hope all gets fixed soon. Its always something it seems lately. Here in Bluffton SC we're getting another round of severe storms with Tornado and Hail possibilites tomorrow. It never just rains here its always a major monsoon. That and having a hurricane threat every year I've been here, not to mention the virus is starting to get to us. Gary--great investment, even better is a Generac automatic system. My neightbor who is an electrician is a dealer. I also bought a home generator a few storms ago and had a doulble input plug installed on our front porch so I don't have to run any wires thru a doorway, but since we are in a new neighborhod and have a nearby new substation our risk of losing power is low. That according to my neighbor who used to work for the elec. company. So far so good,no power outages. Everyone stay safe and listen to the experts not the political hacks.
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#495307 - 04/22/20 08:53 AM
Re: What next?
[Re: travlin'easy]
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#495314 - 04/22/20 09:29 AM
Re: What next?
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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I'm having a 22k Generac whole-house generator installed next week. I already have a concrete pad near the service entrance so installation shouldn't be very expensive. Only 5k at Home Depot, the cost of a TOTL arranger. My entire house is electric except for the kitchen range, outdoor grill, and the gas fireplaces. We have very few outages as all of the electric power in our neighborhood is underground and not subject to falling trees, etc., still, it's cheap insurance. We had one major blackout during the winter of 2018 (2 1/2 days without power) and that was enough for me. I had a similar setup in my house in Florida; there it was really necessary. Had a large but portable setup in Hawaii because, where we lived, no electricity also meant no water. It's funny how we think some things are extravagant, UNLESS it's something we want.....like an expensive keyboard . chas
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#495331 - 04/22/20 10:44 AM
Re: What next?
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 10/15/05
Posts: 1433
Loc: Niceville, FL USA
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I have thought about getting a generator, but we rarely are without power. Ya got me thinkin' again . . . and that usually leads to spending money. Don - definitely hear ya. We have suppressed the urge in the past. But these days we are spending a month or so at a time in MD (when not in virus mode) and if the power were to go out for an extended period, yikes, our food would spoil and remain unattended til we got home. Double yikes. Also, the wife was just saying the other day how scary it would be to lose power now with the distancing going on. We are stocked up right now but the AC, fridge, and freezer are our lifelines should something interrupt the power. Probably not going to be cheap but money well spent I am sure in the long run....
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#495338 - 04/22/20 11:20 AM
Re: What next?
[Re: Bill Lewis]
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#495360 - 04/22/20 01:22 PM
Re: What next?
[Re: cgiles]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Bill, the model I ordered will run on LP or natural gas. In fact, the same model generates 22,000 watts when fueled by propane and 18,000 with natural gas. So not a problem.
chas Chas, that 22,000-watts sounds like a bit of overkill to me. Have you ever had your power consumption checked out to see what you actually draw? I run 3,500 square feet of house with central air, electric stove, big refrigerator, couple of flat screen TVs and two PCs on 6,500 watts. And, that also includes the power to run our well pump, which is a 3/4-HP electric submersible pump placed 550 feet beneath the ground. When the well pump kicks on, the lights dim slightly for a couple seconds, but that's about it. The gasoline generator runs forever on 6 gallons of gas. We have a 30-amp connection to the generator that is positioned beneath our deck and a connection to an inlet on the adjacent wall that feeds directly to a knife switch next to our 200-amp service box. Our heating system is oil-fired, hot-water baseboard for the main level and the basement family room is heated with a ventless, propane, gas log fireplace. Our hot water is fed through the boiler used for the heat, and has a summer/winter hookup system. It heats ice cold water to 160 degrees in less than 3 minutes. No electric hot water tank to contend with and the first boiler lasted us 36 years before it had to be replaced. Replacement cost was about $3,000, which included labor for installation. Good luck, Gary
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#495366 - 04/22/20 01:45 PM
Re: What next?
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
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Gary, you are missing one point.. Like myself , Chas is total electric (almost), I am total electric. I average more than 4,000KWh during winter..
I would say at least 15,000 watts generator would be needed for total electric for my house.. 2,500 sq feet. 2 heat pumps, 2 electic hot water heaters, range, two refrigerators, 5 TV's 2 microwaves, Jacuzzi, dish washer,2 laundry units(2 dryers and 2 washers), Music studio gear etc
I do have a 4,500 watt power inverter for emergency.
Edited by Fran Carango (04/22/20 01:49 PM)
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#495368 - 04/22/20 01:57 PM
Re: What next?
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Fran, if you only draw 4,000 KWH during the winter months, then my 6,800-watt generator would run your entire home with 2,800-watts to spare. Gary
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#495375 - 04/22/20 02:52 PM
Re: What next?
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 05/26/99
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Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
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Gary we are not on the same page Here are specs of my electric uses (only ten) You can see that your generator can not do the job at all.. Even if both heat pumps run, it is over 12,000 watts Heat pump 6,000 watts (x2) dish washer 1,200 watts micro wave oven 1,450 watts (x2) range 12,200 watts lights 4,000 watts dryer 4,856 watts (x2) washer 512 watts (x2) water heater 4,500 watts (x2) color TV 200 watts (x5) Refrigerator 615 watts (x2) KWh is usage.. watts are the power supply (needed)
Edited by Fran Carango (04/22/20 02:59 PM)
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#495377 - 04/22/20 03:24 PM
Re: What next?
[Re: travlin'easy]
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Registered: 09/29/05
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Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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Fran, if you only draw 4,000 KWH during the winter months, then my 6,800-watt generator would run your entire home with 2,800-watts to spare. Gary Gary, I think you mis-read Fran. The 4.5k unit is just an emergency backup. As he said, my house is all-electric and that includes three large HVAC units with the largest unit also zoned to a heated garage. The house is super insulated so heating and AC is fairly reasonable; also I don't have any kids running in and out so once at temp, the units run very little. However, I'm a creature of overkill, so I've got a lot of stuff that burns a lot of juice . Mainly, I wanted a system that would easily run all the systems at once. I have whole-house on-demand hot water but also a single point on-demand in the kitchen. Oh, and yes, I intend to sell and move into a townhouse. It would be an apartment or condo if not for my musical toys. chas
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#495428 - 04/23/20 11:29 AM
Re: What next?
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Fran, those wattage statements seem very high. I just looked up my heat pump and it only draws 1920-watts. My electric range is nowhere near 12,200-watts and that's if everything was running at the same time. That calculates to more than 50 amperes. My frig is connected to a 20 ampere breaker, but only draws about 8 amps. Now, all of this stuff I have is fairly new and low energy consumption rated, so maybe that has some bearing on the figures. Either way, my electric bill only averages about 120 a month, and that's with an oxygen generator running 24/7. Chas, if I lived in your part of the world, I would probably go for the largest system I could find to do the job as well. There's no such thing as having too much electricity available, especially given the weather patterns you have to endure every year. Good luck, Gary
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#495436 - 04/23/20 12:04 PM
Re: What next?
[Re: travlin'easy]
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Registered: 05/26/99
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Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
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Fran, those wattage statements seem very high. I just looked up my heat pump and it only draws 1920-watts. My electric range is nowhere near 12,200-watts and that's if everything was running at the same time. That calculates to more than 50 amperes. My frig is connected to a 20 ampere breaker, but only draws about 8 amps. Now, all of this stuff I have is fairly new and low energy consumption rated, so maybe that has some bearing on the figures. Either way, my electric bill only averages about 120 a month, and that's with an oxygen generator running 24/7. Chas, if I lived in your part of the world, I would probably go for the largest system I could find to do the job as well. There's no such thing as having too much electricity available, especially given the weather patterns you have to endure every year. Good luck, Gary Gary here is the link to the info.. BTW: my winter electric bill is around $500. electric info
Edited by Fran Carango (04/23/20 12:13 PM)
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#495437 - 04/23/20 12:06 PM
Re: What next?
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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My sailboat, which I also sold last year, had a Honda 2000i Generator, which put out 2200 watts, which ran the boats 12,000 BTU AC unit, charged the batteries (4 6-volt golf cart batteries and one deep cycle marine battery) ran the refrigerator freezer and all lights. My inverter, which I rarely used, was just 2,500-watts. On the cooler nights when the AC wasn't running, the inverter powered my flat screen TV so I could watch a movie while anchored up in some remote cove or creek for the evening. It also powered my onboard laptop. Sure miss that boat, but I'm well past the age to sail single-handed, safely. All the best, Gary
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