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#495633 - 04/26/20 10:33 AM 'Rough' is putting it mildly
cgiles Offline
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Uncle Dave played a few snippets of this in one of his recent offerings and that, coupled with a little curiosity about how the NC2X would record, got me to make a half-hearted run at this tune. I used to play it years ago and made the mistake of thinking I could play it again from memory. The results prove that NOT to be true smile. I should have at least gone back and listened to it again. BUT, my main object here was to record the NC2X and see how good or bad the piano was. I give it a C+ (but then, it's only an $#800.00 KB). BTW, I didn't mix, eq, or even compress it, because I have every intention of doing it over....soon smile. Maybe after this Donny will stop asking me to add a track to something smile smile. Anyhoo.....

https://app.box.com/s/f7gtay734kalfjq2jyzy6vkf7rep3she

chas
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#495640 - 04/26/20 10:49 AM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: cgiles]
DonM Offline
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That sounds a little like Moondance Chas. smile
Seriously, it sounds really good to me. When it started the beat reminded me of Green Onions.
Thanks for posting. It's a song I like a lot but have trouble singing it, especially the middle part.
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#495647 - 04/26/20 10:56 AM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: cgiles]
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I agree with DonM, and I tried singing it once, gave up, and knew I could not play it well enough to do an instrumental rendition. You did a great job with it Chas, no doubt about it. And for an $800 arranger keyboard, the sounds were pretty darned good as well.

Cheers,

Gary cool
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#495648 - 04/26/20 11:00 AM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: cgiles]
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Great job Chas! Nice groove all through it and nice soloing too!
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#495651 - 04/26/20 11:13 AM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: saxxman]
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Nice, chas ... I've performed this many times - actually using a backing track... would love to do a vocal with you on this, but I dont have the means or knowhow ... maybe Dave could do it with you ...
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#495652 - 04/26/20 11:34 AM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: tony mads usa]
Dnj Offline
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Chas thanx for posting your attempt at Moondance...
but no reason for all the excuses...if I'm being honest for me
I thought it was overall pretty darn good overall,
Piano was a bit too out front and watch your timing on the
Piano melody line it can be a bit tricky.
Loved the organ stabs, drum groove and kool chord changes.
Great song...I'd say post more tunes at your leisure but
I don't want to get pummeled again and accused for prodding.
stay safe and thank you

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#495655 - 04/26/20 11:41 AM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: cgiles]
cgiles Offline
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Thanks guys, what's missing is that signature 'break'. I ignored it because it would have forced me to tweak the drum track; naturally, laziness won out smile. I WOULD work it out if I had to collaborate with someone. Also, maybe a little closer to the original bassline....however, conventional basslines don't always translate well to (jazz)organ basslines. The jazz organ pioneers made a point of making the organ bass a prominent part of their playing (just listen to Tony M. or Joey D). Anyhoo, when you've got an audience that doesn't know how to say 'THAT SUCKS', it gives you a lot of room to 'experiment' (aka 'making it up as you go') smile .

chas
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#495657 - 04/26/20 11:47 AM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: cgiles]
cgiles Offline
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Donny, you're right. My timing (which I'm usually proud of) DOES get a little sloppy when I don't quite remember how the song goes smile. Some so-called 'improvisation' is simply going 'brain dead' on the melody smile. Rehearsing it first can really help that smile smile.

chas
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#495658 - 04/26/20 11:47 AM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: cgiles]
captain Russ Offline
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TASTY! Play this tune almost every night. Loved the simple piano lead. And that's a left hand to die for!

So nice, from my favorite player here.

R.

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#495660 - 04/26/20 11:53 AM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: cgiles]
cgiles Offline
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Hey Russ, When I went to Dave's YT site, there was a similar streaming site with Tony Monaco. If you think you've got a good left hand, go to Tony's site and find out what 'humble pie' tastes like smile.

chas
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#495663 - 04/26/20 12:03 PM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: cgiles]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By cgiles
Donny, you're right. My timing (which I'm usually proud of) DOES get a little sloppy when I don't quite remember how the song goes smile. Some so-called 'improvisation' is simply going 'brain dead' on the melody smile. Rehearsing it first can really help that smile smile.

chas


Your very welcome Chas
....the main this is we share, learn from each other and have fun.
and I will do just that as soon as I make up my mind on what is next.

stay safe

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#495689 - 04/26/20 02:30 PM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: travlin'easy]
cgiles Offline
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Originally Posted By travlin'easy
And for an $800 arranger keyboard, the sounds were pretty darned good as well.


Small correction Gary. The Studiologic Numa Compact 2X is NOT an ARRANGER keyboard, just an inexpensive multi-purpose synth with a half-decent piano voice which was the only voice on it I used. The rest is organ and a 'canned' drum track. Just didn't want to confuse anyone. But thanks for your nice comments. Glad to see you still hanging in there and staying active.

chas
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#495690 - 04/26/20 03:03 PM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: cgiles]
Bill Lewis Offline
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Chas
Nice job even if you were rusty on the tune. The piano sounded fine and the organ sounded really good. So am I right , you did piano RH, organ LH, and bass pedals. IF you did your my kind of guy, great !
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#495695 - 04/26/20 03:29 PM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: cgiles]
cgiles Offline
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Sorry to disappoint Bill but the piano is overdubbed (multi-tracked) and the bass is left hand with pedal 'percussion stab' to add 'attack'. My age and arthritis won't let me do just pedals on up-tempo or even mid-tempo tunes anymore. I went from all (or mostly) pedals to pedal doubling with LH to LH with pedal taps. I don't feel bad as even young guys (playing this style) still play mostly LH bass. Very few have Barbara Denerlein-type skills smile. FWIW, even when I played pedals, I had a sustain unit on the pedals. Luckily, my KeyB has built-in pedal sustain (adjustable). I still play pedals on ballads and other slow tunes and even some 1-5 type latin tunes. Hard to explain, it just seems to evolve as your physical condition deteriorates. Have you noticed how your solos are less aggressive as you age smile smile.

chas
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#495712 - 04/26/20 05:43 PM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: cgiles]
Bill Lewis Offline
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Chas
As we learn solos mellow with age. Less is more with musical experience. I never liked solos which are just a million notes without a destination.
I can still play pedals pretty well even though I only have a 13 note PK5 hooked to my BK9. And no bench so its hard to play properly. Love to get an SKX with an 18 note pedalboard but space and reality stops me.
I always had sustain on my pedals on my B3. Nova IV unit and it was killer. Later I found out all those guys were doing LH. No one could ever teach me so I figured it was all pedals on those JS records and practiced a lot. Got pretty good and it worked well as I could comp with my LH for a fuller sound.
Still a nice job so keep playing.
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#495735 - 04/27/20 05:51 AM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: cgiles]
Bernie9 Offline
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Hi Bill
In reading your post,I thought about my BK9 you have. I sometimes regretted not taking the time to balance the volumes,as it sure had some nice features,including a killer Leslie sim. Oh well.

You mentioning pedals got me to thinking of pairing my SK1 with my Studiologic 13 pedals. I know it would give me the needed low end,needed without my Ketron SD40,which I use with it now. The problem is that my pedal experience has been in playing church services for years with 33 pedals. For pop music from a fake book,I'm afraid i'm a 1+5 player,as I can't see how I can heel and toe on a little pedal. Just thinking out loud. What do you do?

Bernie
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#495738 - 04/27/20 06:30 AM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: cgiles]
Stephenm52 Offline
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Chas, I enjoyed this, I always have liked your style of play. A few days ago I was out for a walk and found your posting of "Since I Fell For You." I enjoyed listening to that one again too.

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#495741 - 04/27/20 07:29 AM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: cgiles]
cgiles Offline
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Thanks Steve, as you can see, I like old and I like blue (as in 'bluesy'). I also like grooves that 'push' a little. Except for Korg, I don't feel the 'pulse' (sync, I guess) from most of the arranger swing/jazz styles. They just seem too much 'on the beat' for my taste....but that's just me. For the majority of folks, it's just fine. This will likely start a firefight but for me, Korg is hands down the best for nailing a 'groove' feel, especially in this genre'. Although it seems to be trending at the moment, I have to admit that I'm not a big Ketron fan (the truth will set you free smile ). When I say Ketron, I'm referring to the styles, not the instrument...although with arrangers, styles DO pretty much define the instrument. Obviously, it just a matter of personal taste. Certainly my opinion is no more valid than anyone else's. Just not my cup of tea.

As for 'Since I fell for you', I love the old Buddy Johnson version but check out the Al Jarreau version, it's killer. Are you back home in Rhody yet?

chas
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#495744 - 04/27/20 07:53 AM Re: 'Rough' is putting it mildly [Re: cgiles]
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Nice Chas...great playing. Thanks for sharing
Mitch

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