Found this today, so is this the only country doing this or has this been a directive from the UN to all countries at this time.
If so, that means there is a hidden agenda for controlling the masses ( and it's working). The data collection has already given them plenty of information, but to what end?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUCWcft6kao


Allan

And the earth is flat and we didn’t go to the moon, although I am sure the families of the dead would argue with that.

The truth will come out after the first phase is over (With the current information and statistics (Which are incomplete due to different measuring systems) it’s the UK that has the most deaths in Europe, or is it?)

Italy has one of the best health systems in the world (And people were claiming that they were ahead of the game with everything under control, which turned out not to be so, and so ranting and raving about the outcome is one way to try and save face.

Of course none of the above can be proved, so like all the conspiracies on the web, take it with a pinch of salt.

Stay safe and take notice of the professionals that know what they are talking about, ignore politicians (From any country) as 99.9% of them could not organise a booze up in a brewery, they are that useless.

Bill

Honestly, I don't go into conspiracy theories, but I have heard the same in New York etc - where they put almost everyone on a ventilator ( in some lower funded hospitals) to $13000 funding for each item. Again , take it with a pinch of salt, yes I agree.

But when you close both churches and bars in most of the world that is not fair. Even God and the the devil say something is wrong lol.

To normalise any virus you have to get at least a 60% saturation level of antibodies in the population before it generally dies out/ down. Look at, I think it is Sweden, where they left life as normal and the level is around 25000 now and deaths are around what the normal "Flu" would be; plus no loss in economy and jobs.

So,, yep, that is I guess, just a pinch of salt or good information to help other countries, or just conspiracy theories again, who really knows.



Allan

WTF that sounds dumb. What has God and the Devil been saying to you? Are you hearing voices?



The last I heard it is not known yet whether immunity for coronavirus from antibodies is actually a fact. You must have some other info I guess so you should let them know what you have found out.

This is bad enough without uninformed unsubstantiated opinions muddying the water.

I'll stop practicing the safety precautions imposed on us by the virus when 98% of the MEDICAL/SCIENTIFIC community says that it's safe to do so.....and maybe not even then. As far as the churches being closed....that's a BAD thing? . I think all the 'true believers' should send their tithe money to virus research organizations (along with their thoughts and prayers). That may help make their prayers come true. JMO.

chas

I'm all in with you chas

To my knowledge, he 60% for herd immunity don't apply for all viruses, but for this one specifically due to the R 0 reproduction rate of around 3 (one infected person infects 3 others without any counter measures).

In the virologist podcasts I check they said today that there is a new study now which indicates that there is an immunity after having been infected.

In Germany, churches are now reopening with multiple restrictions. Restaurants, too, and a lot of other things. German "Länder" (states) are extremely independent in that respect, so regulations differ regionally. The population is extremely split, for some, these reopenings come too quickly, it could risk the slowdown of the virus. But there is a very crazy minority of people who really think the whole Corona thing is a fake - a shockingly large minority.

That is an indication but not a proven fact. When it comes to pandemics I am not about to gamble on popular assumption.

Research the source of fake news and conspiracy theories and you wil know a lot more , Use common sense.

I

The podcast I was mentioning is done by a top virologist, who only mentions meaningful and sound studies and checks their scientific value. That's not "popular assumption". I follow Prof. Christian Drosten's and Prof. Alexander Kekulé's podcasts, both are internationally renowned German microbiologists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Drosten

Drosten developed the PCR SARS-CoV2 test used globally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Kekulé

The study they were referring to recently is probably this one:

https://www.businessinsider.com/immunity...4?r=DE&IR=T


In natural science, most research only produces evidence, but not 100% proven facts, it's all about probabilities.
So, in this case I think it is very probable that there is an immunity for at least 6 months to 2 years...

Of course I wasn‘t defending any possible intention of this thread to downplay Covid-19, I thought that was clear. I was just commenting on the aspect of immunity.

Hey Nigel, That was meant as a Joke bro, about pubs and churches being closed etc.,, oh well.

Ok, when I was doing Disability Support, that was the figure that was quoted for National average for Influenza and other Viruses, that the population have to get to for strain to die out or down to a manageable level.

Here is a link to your HHS Public Access medical documentation on age related info on the above scenario. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3514506/

Ok,, it is NOT COVID - 19 and but it is on what I was mentioning just previous influenza Viruses that have been experienced in the past.

there is a lot if info there and various percentages for different age groups but mostly the older people ( like us).

This is what I was mostly referring to.

Sorry. My sense of COVID19 humor is at about 0%. Being locked down for 2 months has that effect.

Same as my sense of Prez-bashing humor. # years of whining has that effect on me.

I love Jim Carrey‘s new coughing and Kleenex video with Trump.

EDIT: I do understand the stance that you have respect for the political function even if the current person who exerts it is not to your taste.
So, when some years ago the German "Bundespräsident" (who has no political power) resigned after being criticized for being a "bargain hunter" (he saved money on vacation due to some connections etc.), I found there was a certain lack of respect for the political function.

But there's a limit to anything. When someone acts like a child again and again, and also against some basic cultural ideas of the nation he respresents, and additionally has massive conflicts of interest as political affairs and his private business cannot be held apart, there's a point when all respect has to be given up. So I feel really alienated seeing still a large portion of people defending a child that destroys the dignity of the political function.