I am trying to insert 8 or 16 bars into a midi for instrument solo. I can do it with Notation Composer,but that doesn't help me use the file elsewhere. Without a DAW,what is the easiest solution?

Bernie

Play the smf song in your sequencer on your keyboard.....
then simply add record another track in to the song

Thanks Donny
I see that is one way,but seeing that I have a batch to do,I am wondering if a cut and paste may be easier.

Hopefully this works, I do this on my SEQUENCER, but not with SMF, but on my original sequenced tunes if I need to add measures later. Results may vary...

Once file is loaded in Sequencer

1. MENU
2. SONG EDIT
3. TRACK -Checkmark ALL TRACKS cause you want to insert 8-16 bars for whole song
4. CUT INSERT (You may have to use COPY function instead here since you have pre-existing music you need still playing while you solo? same theory copy measures and insert ALL TRACKS)
5. INSERT MEASURES where you want
6. EXECUTE
7. SAVE YOUR NEW SEQUENCE

****SOMETIMES THIS AND FORMER PA 4X will not highlight the EXECUTE...It is a SOFTWARE glitch and make sure your song is saved, cause you will need to reboot. The EXECUTE function will work when rebooted...

Surprised Korg doesn't know about this issue...It is a hassle when I am sequencing...Have good back up habits

Not sure if this helps or what you needed...But I thought that is what you need...

Let me know if this at least gets you closer to what you are trying to accomplish

Bernie, on my Pa900, the procedure is as Steve A has written - but if I follow correctly (and I'm not on my kb at this time) that would give you however many bars you created of silence ... if you perhaps want to keep the bass and/or drum pattern of the SMF going, you would have to COPY the measures you want, INSERT them where you want, and delete any unwanted tracks from those measures ...
It all depends on the end result you are looking for ...

What if you made a brand-new MIDI. Then:
- COPY the first part of the original song into it.
- ADD the blank measures for your solo
- APPEND the remaining part of the original song
- DELETE the original song if you no longer need it

If there is an area on the disk dedicated to the original song, depending on the file architecture, I can see why the machine may not like the idea of "inserting" measures. (Because the expanded song may no longer fit in the same disk track and sector.)

I never mess with MIDIs. But from a computer storage perspective your machine may like this approach better. My $.02.

$.02 more ... with every change you make SAVE it ... when working on a song, I will add AAA to the title so its faster to find in an alpha list and then add a revision number at the end, i.e., AAA Title 1; AAA Title 2, etc. so if really screw one up, I just have to reload the most recent ...

Thank you Steve,TedS,and Tony
I have enough to get started.

Bernie

Quote Steve A,
Let me know if this at least gets you closer to what you are trying to accomplish

Steve
I followed your instructions to a "T",and it is exactly what is on the sequencer edit page.
I went to merge/all tracks/start and ending meas to copy/to all tracks meas #/execute. Then exit to main page and saved to existing midi. No luck,it seemed to have saved it fine,but didn't.

It is not the SMF(Tune1000),and the sequencer has performed other chores like key changes and mutes.
Maybe the Korg boys know what is wrong. As you said,I didn't want to use "Cut and Insert",just insert the measures at the designated place.

Sorry I didn't see this yesterday Bernie....I did a test right now & I just did it perfectly...

and it saved ...I just did a 4 bar test sequence named it TEST1...then went and merged and checked repeat 2X thereby tripling my track and named it TEST2...12 bars now to edit as I see fit...Now I can go back and cut all day long...I now have a 4 bar complete version and a 12 bar tripled version...It on my USB drive in the Sequencer saved as a MIDI

Try it again ???

*** You then need to do some math to cut out everything EXCEPT your 8-16 bars addition...

** You then need to do some math to cut out everything EXCEPT your 8-16 bars addition...

I didn't cut anything. I thought the copied bars,when inserted at the designated measure,would make room for the new bars and then proceed with the remainder of the song. In other words,making the song so many bars longer,with the addition in the middle.

I tried the way you did it...it is weird...and it merged everything...don't want that...BUT

I would do this...

Take full song......Merge it, but start the MERGE on the next BAR at END of song...

Eg,,,64 bar song merge all and insert at bar 65...Now you have 128 bars....I would then take from the last half of the song the 16 bars and INSERT where I needed...and delete the rest of additional bars..

OH, I ALSO DID THE COPY FIRST AND INSERTED THE SILENCE,,,THEN I WENT BACK AND PUT THE BARS IN FROM THE LAST HALF OF SONG...SILENCE WAS FILLED WITH THE TRACK YOU COULD NOW SOLO ON...

Once I reloaded it everything was there...

IT'S CONFUSING AS HECK BUT CAN BE DONE

Hi Steve
Thank you for all your trouble. I will tinker with your solutions.

Bernie

Bernie, I just want to share what I have done when I've wanted to add a 'solo' section in a SMF ...
Let's say the first verse is A to B, the bridge/chorus is C to D, and the last verse is E to F, with F being the ending of the SMF.
If I want to perform a solo over A to B and then go back to the bridge/chorus, I would COPY A through F, and insert it where I want it. I would then eliminate any note data and other info from the track I want to solo on.
Note: As Steve A may have alluded to, what must be taken into consideration when inserting A to F is how many bars before the ending it must be inserted so that you don't play the ending before starting your solo at A.
Copying A through F saves all the end of the SMF data so the song will end as it should.
Obviously, this extends the song quite a bit, but it is in line with how songs are usually performed by band.

If I were looking to only add 8 or 16 bars from A to B, let's say after the bridge, figuring that I need the midi data (bass line, chord changes etc. for those bars), I would COPY the bars I want, insert them after the bridge, and remove the notes,etc, I do not need from the bars I want to play over.

There may be some trial and error involved in order to achieve the proper transition into and out of the solo part.

I know this sounds confusing, but I hope it helps.

Any questions feel free to ask.

Hi Tony
I have no doubt that you know what I'm after,that taking out some of the fluff from inserted measures is best for soloing. I,on the other hand,can't get my Pa4X to insert anything. It will delete,but not insert. I suspect something is wrong with the keyboard,as I have taken all the advice offered. I am wondering about a DAW for a simple copy and paste. Even if I solo'd over a section with only the melody muted,I would have measures to play and break up the vocal. The problem is that I designate the the target measure for the copied date and nothing changes at all.

Thank you for your input. I will soldiar on.

Can you CUT?

The top half of screen is CUT.... is EXECUTE white or shaded? on the bottom half of of screen is INSERT...is EXECUTE white or shaded as well??? i do have to sometimes reboot PA 4X for it to unshade and go reboot to get the EXECUTE to be white and ready to be used...I get the same glitch every so often when editing. In fact i think I almost sent it back becuase it did it 3 times in arow..Then it started working.......

ALSO: Do you have the NEXT GENERATION 3.1 OS installed???

if not, you should...if so, Maybe a re-install of 3.1 OS is in order...That is a software problem Bernie PERIOD...I BOUGHT THE ORIGINAL PA 4X THE FIRST MONTH IT CAME OUT IN 2015, THIS IS MY 2ND ONE & IT STILL DOES THE SAME THING...

I just reboot...

Bernie, is there any mention of a bug like this on the Korg forums? The PA4X isn't "new" and there are a LOT of users. Also the OS is pretty similar to the Pa900, Pa700, etc. so if PA4X has a "bug" about this the others probably do too.

The Korg Forums have a lot of users. For some, English as their second language but I've often found useful info there.

Ted,
There has been very little response at the Pa4X forum,perhaps due to my inarticulate wording,few people editing midifiles,or they don't experience the problem.