I play a Tyros5 and have noticed that most styles, even commercial song styles - have patterns that are 2 or 4 bars long. This becomes stale very quickly. I came across these videos (URLs are below) about the styles on Lowrey organs that "evolve" in time and change appropriately to the music, since the patterns used are very long. See the discussion in the videos about the styles. Why can't we have such styles in our Yamaha keyboards either from Yamaha or commercially? Is there anyone selling such long-pattern styles?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2B0prS24B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw-UBKHY4J0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2g8TUM_p6o

why buy them just create your own and make them any way you like?
this is a very powerful feature hardly anyone uses on an arranger keyboard.

Ditto!

If you build the "evolution" (variation) into the style pattern, you're locked into always having the changes occur four measures in, eight measures in, etc. If it's a typical pop song with 8 bars, a 4-bar chorus, etc., that might work and save you a little button-pushing.

But most if not all of today's arrangers have four variations already built into the style. So you can play 4 bars, trigger variation 2, then var 3 for the chorus, back to var 2 for the second verse, var 4 for the bridge, etc.

One of the tips I read about style creation, is to build the most complex variation first, and then simplify it / thin it out for the simpler variations. If you create a pattern eight bars long for var 4, and truncate it to four bars for var 3, it will "wrap" and play through twice. If you truncate it to just two bars for var's 2 and 1, it will play through four times. This saves a lot of work!

I agree with your premise and wouldn't own an arranger without a style creator, unless I already had a way to make or convert custom styles for that brand.

I don't know personally... anyone that can produce great styles from scratch

It is not easy, even if you are a great player.

Same with making SMF's from scratch ( You need a great ear and the skill to record what you hear).

Sure we can get reasonable results morphing from one style to another... but that is not exactly making your own styles.

Many Ketron styles are very long, 8 to 16 measures, some more. Still the variety must be subtle. Making styles is hard.

Everyone wants easy to play styles....then in the next sentence people want to strip them down with less parts, change this, change that,
say they are too hard to create, etc, .... that is why we have arrangers and workstation synths, DAW/VST's etc,...
you choose what you need and want to accomplish and enjoy creating music in the way that YOU prefer.
It's all out there just pick and choose.
There is hardly nothing your mind can't do musically
in today's advanced technological scene with gear of your choice.
have fun.

"Everyone wants easy to play styles....then in the next sentence people want to strip them down with less parts, change this, change that,"


Donny, mainly because we want to keep the same band all night.. same piano, same bass player, same drummer, same guitar player etc..

thinning out the style also makes it easier to fit what you are playing live..

If you aren't playing any accomp parts and just sing, you will get by, but I rather not compromise what works better for me..

PS: At the end of the gig I still don't have to pay my band..

Amen to that Fran! I don't make enough to share it with anyone except "she who must be obeyed".

Hi
We had a discussion on this topic a few months back.
You can do 32 bar styles, but not necessarily ideal.
I played around with these longer patterns , using Band in a Box styles, as a source.

Tend to think if you really want variety, use the pads.

You can actually lengthen the existing patterns, in the editor, if remember correctly.