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#501945 - 01/07/21 03:14 PM
Re: OT One of my favorite groups and major influence
[Re: Bill Lewis]
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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Bill, as you know, I too am a "Hammond" fanatic - been playing one for 50 years (and still haven't gotten any better ). To add to what Diki was saying about the Expression pedal (yes, definitely MUST be 'long-throw'), in addition to adding those 'special' dynamics to the main organ tones, it (along with the pedal tap) is essential for those trying to get that 'Jimmy Smith/Jack McDuff/Jimmy Mcgriff' bass sound when playing this kind of 'Fatback' music. It's just a simple shuffle beat really, but with an extra dose of syncopation (aka 'groove'). It sounds best on a real Hammond (naturally) but you can come close with a high-quality clone w/pedals that you can configure like a real B3. I threw something together to try to illustrate my point. Just straight blues changes and roughly based on a tune by my third cousin, Count Basie with the great Joe Williams on vocals - called 'Every Day I Have The Blues'. It's a little sloppy, one overdub, no corrections, no mixdown. Sounds best through bass-heavy monitors or headphones. https://app.box.com/s/66pdsgzrb2nxjsf56vjhw7k2x8lhfnuschas
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#501946 - 01/08/21 02:40 AM
Re: OT One of my favorite groups and major influence
[Re: Bill Lewis]
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Registered: 09/21/02
Posts: 5520
Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
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That was sweet! I had a B3 years ago, playing in bars and restaurants, but never really learned it well. All of these years later(45), I bought a Suzuki Hammond SK1. with a Yamaha FS6 pedal. I would love to have the registration to get close to the sound if I can.
Bernie
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#501950 - 01/08/21 12:12 PM
Re: OT One of my favorite groups and major influence
[Re: cgiles]
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Senior Member
Registered: 10/20/09
Posts: 3230
Loc: Dallas, Texas
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Bill, as you know, I too am a "Hammond" fanatic - been playing one for 50 years (and still haven't gotten any better ). To add to what Diki was saying about the Expression pedal (yes, definitely MUST be 'long-throw'), in addition to adding those 'special' dynamics to the main organ tones, it (along with the pedal tap) is essential for those trying to get that 'Jimmy Smith/Jack McDuff/Jimmy Mcgriff' bass sound when playing this kind of 'Fatback' music. It's just a simple shuffle beat really, but with an extra dose of syncopation (aka 'groove'). It sounds best on a real Hammond (naturally) but you can come close with a high-quality clone w/pedals that you can configure like a real B3. I threw something together to try to illustrate my point. Just straight blues changes and roughly based on a tune by my third cousin, Count Basie with the great Joe Williams on vocals - called 'Every Day I Have The Blues'. It's a little sloppy, one overdub, no corrections, no mixdown. Sounds best through bass-heavy monitors or headphones. https://app.box.com/s/66pdsgzrb2nxjsf56vjhw7k2x8lhfnuschas Chas- very nice swinin' feel! But wait, Count Basie is your cousin ?!? No wonder you can swing! But, yeah, I'd love to hear more about your relation to Count Basie. Definitely one of my favorite big- bands!
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#501951 - 01/08/21 01:28 PM
Re: OT One of my favorite groups and major influence
[Re: cgiles]
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Registered: 11/12/08
Posts: 2447
Loc: Bluffton/Hilton Head SC USA
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Chas --- Cousin to count Basie! ever meet him ? I do that tune too as a vocal. really nice comping on the organ and backround horn lines as well as the solos, but how come you didn't give the organ some solo love ! Years ago I went to a few of the organ jams at Symphony Hall in Newark NJ. Got to see Jack MCduff who had the new B3 ) , Charles Erland ( who used Jacks new B3 but couldn't work it at first ) Trudy Pitts, I believe Rhoda Scott was also there, and a few lesser known but very good Hammond Players. Yes I think you can do great things with todays clones. Wish we had them back in the day. Even my BK9 with pedals does a decent job, one of the reasons I like it so much. Thanks and give us some more, never get ehough B3 grease.
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#501952 - 01/08/21 01:42 PM
Re: OT One of my favorite groups and major influence
[Re: captain Russ]
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Registered: 11/12/08
Posts: 2447
Loc: Bluffton/Hilton Head SC USA
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Capt. Nice that you get to still play a real B3. I'm passively looking for a church with one and maybe look into doing some services. I love Gospel. I've met Felix a few times when he was touring with his own group "Felix's Rascals" I lent him my B3 for one of the gigs at a dinner theatre where we were the house band in the lounge. At the time I was leaving the leslie home and was playing the B through one of the first leslie clones the "Full Rotor", to an Ampeg 4X10 bass amp. Great power and really kicked out the bass (I played pedals) as well as handling my Rhodes. Felix didn't like it but he was very gracious and gave me a nice signed program after the show. Met him later at another show in Atlantic City and we laughed about the infamous Club Bene in NJ. Its a shame that tour died so quick, it was sold out all over and people went crazy at the show, 2.5 hours of pure fun. I feel it all over again looking at that video. Is Dino the coolest drummer you've ever seen ? Read Gene's Cornish's book "Good Lovin" and he explains what happened along with the whole Rascals history. Good read.
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#501953 - 01/08/21 02:26 PM
Re: OT One of my favorite groups and major influence
[Re: Bill Lewis]
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Senior Member
Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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Chas --- Cousin to count Basie! ever meet him ? Yeah Bill, we lived about three or four blocks away from him in St. Albans, Queens (NY). Mid to late 60's if I recall. My aunt, Ellen Basie, was his first cousin so I'm not sure what that makes me...but something?? I guess . Probably distant but just enough to brag about . I have been to gatherings at his house though, and seen him many times in clubs in NY (in small combo format). I was always a fan of his big band work but not necessarily of his 'one-finger' piano work. It must have taken a lot of courage for him to do that album with Oscar Peterson. That would be like me pairing up with Joey D. for an album. I felt like I'd travelled back in time hearing you mention my friend Charles Earland (I used to play in his Aunt's club in suburban Philly where he'd stop by occasionally; and Trudy Pitts - we used to always say that she was the only female organ player at that time that played like a man (whatever that meant). In any case, Trudy could lay down a groove with the best of them. I didn't know Rhoda Scott but I knew Shirley Scott very well. Philly, especially that area around Germantown, was loaded with great players at that time, probably as a result of the Settlement music school (Grover Washington, Jimmy McGriff, numerous others). Glad there are guys like you around that still remember the great music and musicians that came out of that era (when the B3 was KING). sigh', guess I still live in the past. Hold on to those memories, Bill, and talk about it with your students if you're still teaching. chas
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