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#504292 - 11/14/21 02:02 PM Re: Add to SynthZone [Re: Bernie9]
montunoman Offline
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Registered: 10/20/09
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This saddens me. Here is one of the nicest and most talented contributors feeling shunned. It is disheartening enough not being acknowledged for a musical contribution without feeling downright shunned. I seriously doubt anyone here would do this, but The fact remains that Paul feels this way, and, perhaps, others are losing heart for the same reason-DEAD SILENCE.

I am not one to lead a rally, but agree with Diki and others that resurgence of this fine forum is possible with a little support. I, for one, will try. [/quote]

Thanks Bernie, I don't think anyone is deliberately trying to shun anyone, I just think perhaps we don't want to take the time to fully listen or comment on someone music. I understand we are flooded with all sorts of music to listen to nowadays.

I'm just trying to say, when some uploads there music here, we as a community should try to show some acknowledgment, be it constructive criticism, praise, or simple appreciation. I think we all as musicians realize how much effort it takes to record, prepare for a performance,
land a gig...
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#504293 - 11/14/21 02:07 PM Re: Add to SynthZone [Re: Kabinopus]
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Originally Posted By Kabinopus

Personally I’m not very comfortable talking much about music, I guess, talking about equipment is just tempting as it is less personal and allows to distract oneself from all other bother.


This is true, I get it. But since we don't have a "like" button here, we need to find ways to express our appreciation with words. You can always ask the performer about the gear they used, right?
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#504294 - 11/14/21 02:15 PM Re: Add to SynthZone [Re: Diki]
montunoman Offline
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Registered: 10/20/09
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Originally Posted By Diki
I think that the average restaurant or bar audience is very similar to our membership here when it comes to feedback on our playing!

A few will come up and talk in depth about how much they enjoyed your show, a few more might just drop off a nice tip in the jar, a whole bunch of them came out for a meal or a drink, and whether you are there or not doesn’t really matter, and the very odd customer will come up and tell you that perhaps you were too loud or quiet for them, or you didn’t play enough country, or whatever!

It’s a fine line on a forum between neglect and respect… and just because a post containing a recording doesn’t generate a ton of responses, don’t worry..! It got heard, you can be assured.

The thing is, what do you WANT to hear? We’re a very diverse group, ranging from one finger beginners to full two handed pros. That, if everybody comments, generates a very wide range of opinions. Not to mention, our membership has a huge range of ages and tastes in music. Sometimes it’s difficult to separate one’s opinion of a performance from one’s tastes in music in general. I’m a bit guilty here, sometimes it’s hard to work up much enthusiasm for the decidedly light pop song selection that some of us like playing!

But we are getting older, and even as an aging 65, I get reminded from time to time that we have members that are a good 25 years my senior, so perhaps those old chestnuts are to be expected. We are also global… tastes in Europe vary wildly from the US, or Latin America. Diversity is good, but it also works against getting an enthusiastic response for a form of music few of us listen to or know much about.

Personally, I try to look for constructive criticism, and try to offer it where I think it might do good. And I generally post what few recordings I do in an effort to illustrate a particular technique that might help those looking to improve. But often I hear things that either I don’t relate to, or I have nothing constructive to offer. I’m sorry if I don’t always respond if I have little to say..!

But keep them coming… in lieu of endless arguments about features, the way forward really needs to focus more on the music we make. 🎹😎


Good points, but SZ is not a restaurant/night club/ full of "layman"
True we come in many skill sets, ages groups, nationalities, and musical tastes, but we all love keyboards and music.

Constructive criticism can be nice and is probably welcome by most, but little to no comments leaves me wondering if it's worth it to post music here.
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#504295 - 11/14/21 02:23 PM Re: Add to SynthZone [Re: zuki]
montunoman Offline
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Loc: Dallas, Texas
Originally Posted By zuki
Diki, I think you explained it well. Many viewers keep their thoughts silent, so not to offend anyone, or to not over glorify another. It took me a while to establish a stronger backbone and I started posting again. Hey, I have the toughest critic in the world, within my family walls. I sent my new website to my wife and she said to take down everything but my instrumental! How's that for confidence. I played a party for a dying friend yesterday. It was supposed to be for a few family members. Drove 3 1/2 hours and couldn't even find a parking place. I was not prepared for 50 or more people. They shoved me in a corner and had my speakers behind a lazy boy, on the floor. Kids were running around my equipment and the mother told me to turn it down. Luckily, I had done a few songs for my friend, but I was so upset after that comment, I turned off the keyboard and promptly left. To make the day worse, I checked my phone at 6pm and read "Jim, where are you, you were supposed to be here for the Veteran's special at 2 pm". I couldn't even sleep last night and had thoughts of selling my gear. Stuff happens, but if you like what you do and your soul enjoys the happiness that your music brings, it's all ok.

solojim.com


Jim, thanks for sharing your experiences. I think we can all relate to those kind of crappy gigs, and I could top yours with some real horrible experiences that I've had but that's a topic for another thread and I really don't want to go there now!

Regarding your wife's reaction to your recordings, maybe she just thinks you can do better or considers you more of an instrumentalist than a vocalist. Either way, keep working on it, that's all we can do anyways, you might as will enjoy the journey!
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#504296 - 11/14/21 02:33 PM Re: Add to SynthZone [Re: captain Russ]
montunoman Offline
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Registered: 10/20/09
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Loc: Dallas, Texas
Originally Posted By captain Russ
Paul, I apologize for not commenting enough for the quality and professionalism in your performances.

What impressed me was the connection to an authentic, historic genre. I thought long and hard, but decided that some here would think that leading a discussion in that direction would be jet another example of me veering off course.

Your contribution is unique, professional and should be appreciated.

Russ


Thanks Russ

Thanks Russ. I know my videos are just done on a cell phone with the built in mic, no high end productional value, but I am happy you're able to appreciate what is perhaps a different American experience than many are accustomed to here on SZ.

Your expertise in jazz, your long and active performance career, and film score experience is unique too, and I appreciate what you contribute here too.
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#504298 - 11/14/21 03:54 PM Re: Add to SynthZone [Re: bruno123]
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14289
Loc: NW Florida
The hardest thing in the world is to listen to yourself but as if you were listening to someone else!

To get the most out of demos, and to improve your demos over time, you have to listen to yourself and forget it’s you. How would you feel about what you just recorded if it was someone else? Would you be a bit more critical? Would you be able to look past the satisfaction in playing it and recording it, and apply the same sort of constructive criticism to yourself that you would give the performance if it was someone else? Most of us can quickly spot the flaws in other players’ demos, but it’s harder to be as critical to ourselves.

Much of this comes from us not actually ‘listening’ to nothing but the sound coming from the speakers. Our memories of playing it, things we thought about it as we were playing, the attention we needed to divert from listening to ourselves as we played to things like remembering the words, the chords, the buttons we needed to press, it all gets in the way of hearing what’s actually recorded.

One of the things I try to do is jump cut from target CD’s, or other demos that have been well received to my latest demo. Don’t listen to the entire thing, that’s going to bring back those memories of the performance. But if you jump cut (that is, rapidly switch from one song to another using a DAW or some other program) you can often hear things clearly that longer listening tends to conceal.

Too much reverb on a vocal? Lead sounds a bit too loud? Drums buried in the mix? Solo rushing? Sometimes, these sorts of problems jump out better without the whole song distracting you. But quick cross cut comparison to pro CD’s can quickly expose a problem that isn’t hard to fix. A bit less vocal reverb, a few numbers lower on the lead volume slider, a few more on the drums volume (and that often helps with rushing all by itself!), save the new registration, do another take.

If you can find a way to listen to yourself as if it’s NOT you, it’s amazing how quickly the solutions to producing demos you’re proud of will appear….
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#504304 - 11/16/21 01:21 PM Re: Add to SynthZone [Re: montunoman]
captain Russ Offline
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Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 7305
Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
Paul, if we lived closer together, I'd partner with you in a heartbeat on film scores.I'd be the student, with the goal of learning to incorporate a new and growing (in popularity) style.

You are certainly n the short list of top pro's here.

Be well.

PS I'd flirt with your pretty lady, too, but I'm so old now I forget why that was so important years ago (LOL).

Be well, friend. You ARE appreciated.


Russ

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