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#505287 - 03/29/22 07:12 AM Just 'noodling'
cgiles Offline
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My 'friends' across the pond will probably hate this smile smile. I love the sound of my clonewheel, I think it captures the sound of the B3 pretty well. I'm going to try recording something on my new $99 VSTi, B3x, as soon as I get around to attaching and calibrating an expression pedal on my 2-controller setup.

https://app.box.com/s/b2ssh5prmjjjh56tnopibu8896k0zdnn

chas
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#505289 - 03/29/22 07:50 AM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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I enjoyed listening to that chas and like many over here, like to hear any clonewheel type stuff.
from what you said, I wonder if you think that the Hammond sound is not popular over here but, I can assure you that, I and many of my friends love them. Unfortunately, none of them left in the pubs now where I live.
I often spend time listening to Mike Read on You Tube and that guy can make a Hammond talk.

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#505290 - 03/29/22 10:38 AM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: Anthony Johnson]
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Walk it, dude! Man, I wish we had connected years ago.

KILLER!


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#505291 - 03/29/22 10:41 AM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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Sounds great, Chas. Keep em coming.

All the best,

Gary cool
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#505293 - 03/29/22 10:56 AM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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Coincidently I have been fully immersing myself on this tune for the last few week weeks. Sinatra and Ella, and I've transcribed a bit of Red Garland too.




I will add your superb version Chas for further study!


On a side note, I always wondered what Brits thought of this tune too. I've been to London on two separate occasions- first time as a child and second time as an adult, , and strangely enough each time it was hot and sunny. I was actually hoping for some fog!
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#505296 - 03/29/22 11:03 AM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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I too have been to London a couple times, when I was in the US Navy, and it was the dead of winter, foggy and bitter cold every morning. Never been there during the summer months, though I wish I had been.

The weather in London couldn't colder than it has been here this winter, and today's high here in Maryland is just 31 degrees. It was 20 degrees f when I got out of bed to take care of Carol. Brrrrrrrrrrr! I consider any temperature lower than my age the dead of winter, but that's because I'm an old codger and love swaying coconut palms and turquoise colored ocean water.

All the best,

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#505297 - 03/29/22 11:53 AM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By travlin'easy
I too have been to London a couple times, when I was in the US Navy, and it was the dead of winter, foggy and bitter cold every morning. Never been there during the summer months, though I wish I had been.

The weather in London couldn't colder than it has been here this winter, and today's high here in Maryland is just 31 degrees. It was 20 degrees f when I got out of bed to take care of Carol. Brrrrrrrrrrr! I consider any temperature lower than my age the dead of winter, but that's because I'm an old codger and love swaying coconut palms and turquoise colored ocean water.

All the best,

Gary cool


Yes, oddly enough they were experiencing record breaking heat waves when I was visiting London, which really wasn't that bad for this Texan.

We are currently experiencing our typical "bipolar" sprig weather here in Texas. Just in the last few weeks we had to close the schools due to ice, then we had a destructive tornado come through, and now temperatures approaching 90 , very windy, and unfortunately wild fires are popping up in the country side.

Sorry to get off topic Chas!
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#505298 - 03/29/22 12:04 PM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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70 degrees here, Gary. You need to leave that Artic wasteland smile and move down here where it's warm smile. And Russ, if we'd connected earlier, I'd probably know a lot more cool chords, transitions, turnarounds, etc. smile. Anthony, I knew 'organ' was popular in most of Europe but I didn't think my type of organ playing (Jimmy Smith/walking bass/88800000/etc.) was especially popular there. Fact is, it's very 'Niche' here and not practiced by very many performers. Luckily for me, I grew up (musically) during an era of great jazz organist and they made a lasting impression on me. And Paul, I jam with (among others) a guitar player who's of Eastern European origin but who absolutely loves and specializes in Latin music. He is beyond brilliant and I can't really keep up with him but I sure learn a lot and am slowly getting fairly proficient in certain (but not all) Latin styles. I've gained a lot of respect for the beauty and complexity of Latin rhythms.

I experimented with emulating various instruments on my many arrangers, synths, and workstations, but after Diki (correctly) pointed out that Sax players don't play that way (this was a few years ago), and listening to Don Mason play simulated guitar, and Capt Russ play REAL guitar, I slowly went back to just basically playing organ (and a little piano, and a LOT of Rhodes after I got my Crumar SEVEN). These days it's almost exclusively Organ and Rhodes. I also have fun experimenting with VSTi's. But hey, it's all MUSIC. I say 'do it your way'.

chas (the long-winded)
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#505301 - 03/29/22 01:39 PM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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I got Mike Reed's name wrong earlier and wrote Read.
Lots of his stuff on You Tube but this one is unusual
not modern standard video though.
https://youtu.be/edOkA_elHCw

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#505302 - 03/29/22 01:52 PM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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Unfortunately, Chas, my wife refused to move to the Florida Keys when we could have way back in 1968. I got a job offer from a cardiology group in Marathon Key, Florida, they would have paid me 3 times what I was making at University of Maryland Hospital, plus provided with a full partnership opportunity in the practice. My loving spouse refused to move, mainly because her family and friends lived here in the frozen north of Maryland and she didn't want to be that far away from them. At that point we had only been married just over 5 years, therefore, I acquiesced to her demands. Now, she wishes she were there.:)

Chas, you have some magic fingers that seem to glide over those B3 keys. You are very highly talented and skilled on that B3.

All the best,

Gary cool
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#505305 - 03/29/22 02:27 PM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: Anthony Johnson]
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Originally Posted By Anthony Johnson
I got Mike Reed's name wrong earlier and wrote Read.
Lots of his stuff on You Tube but this one is unusual
not modern standard video though.
https://youtu.be/edOkA_elHCw


Just goes to show what and interesting and innovative instrument a Hammond organ can be in different hands. Sounds like you may be a fan of the 'fast hands' club (so am I). If so, check out one of my favorite Rock/Blues organists, the incomparable Lachy Doley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N-4f_Z-nqo&ab_channel=LachyDoley

chas
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#505306 - 03/29/22 02:38 PM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By travlin'easy


Chas, you have some magic fingers that seem to glide over those B3 keys. You are very highly talented and skilled on that B3.

All the best,

Gary cool


Thanks Gary, but as Bill Lewis, Bernie, Russ, and a few other old organ plunkers around here will tell you, a lot of the 'goodness' coming out of a Hammond organ has to do with the Expression pedal (not to be confused with a volume pedal). They don't call it an EXPRESSION pedal for nothing. That's one reason most organ bits done on a synth, workstation, or arranger, leave me a bit cold; because they usually are NOT hooked up to an expression pedal. JMO.

chas
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#505310 - 03/29/22 06:52 PM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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Very nice Chas. Glad you are in the saddle and enjoying! Makes me want to get a B3, which I played for years. Miss the pedals.

Enjoyable smile
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#505312 - 03/30/22 01:10 AM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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Enjoyed Lachy Doley's fast hands number and also his Whiter Shade.
I fully agree that no arranger can get close to a real Hammond which is one of my frustrations.
Yamaha's YC keyboard with the 1.2 upgrade gets much closer than a Genos but the real ting is still best.

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#505315 - 03/30/22 02:40 AM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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Now that was fun. I am happy to see some action on our beloved forum. I shall try and do my part in some small way. Besides the long history, this forum has a much better format in my opinion. Viva La Synth Zone

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#505317 - 03/30/22 04:26 AM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: Bernie9]
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WOW what a find thanks so much for sharing .............just brilliant what a talent
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#505321 - 03/30/22 11:49 AM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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Now THAT’S ‘entertainment’, Chas!

About the only critique I’d give it is that it’s a hair dry by American jazz B3 standards, and WAY dry by European standards! 😂

That old spring reverb through the Leslie is part of the sound, and fundamental to it over the pond..! It’s the ‘fog’ of that foggy day… 😎
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#505323 - 03/30/22 05:10 PM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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Sounds great. Classic organ playing at its best. I know there are a lot of diehards but the clones are getting better all the time. Post more !
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#505325 - 03/30/22 07:58 PM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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Thanks Bill. This is my KeyB Duo Mk111 which is my favorite. Still have the Pk7a pedals on it. I have the newer Legend EXP as well but I (and some others) think the older KeyB sounds more authentic (Phattt-er). I have the Legend module midi'd to my old Nord C1 which makes the absolute PERFECT controller for it. I sold the C2D. The organ in my NC2x kinda sucks (but has a nice piano).

Diki thought the organ sound needed more reverb and I usually always listen to him. I never owned a 122R or 147RV, etc., so I'm probably more used to the 'dry' sound. However, since the KeyB has a built-in reverb (and a pretty good one), I turned it up a bit to see if I thought it improved the sound. I'm ......conflicted smile smile. Maybe another hair or two. Kind of subjective, I suppose. Anyhow, watching guys like Joey D. or Lachy Doley if you're into 'rock' organ (I am), will definitely keep you humble smile smile.

chas
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#505330 - 03/31/22 05:59 AM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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Just a lite moment, you guys are beginning to sound like STAR WARS--
THE CLONE WARS. Sorry I couldn't resist
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#505342 - 04/01/22 03:58 PM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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I definitely feel your confusion, chas! I like that drier jazz club sound as well, but the prevalent sound amongst amateurs that still play the real thing, especially over the pond (as you could hear from that wild Caravan track!) is for a more drenched sound. Plus it does help ‘join up’ some of the smears and glisses and make them a little less stark. The main thing is to not use a ‘really good’ reverb, the nastiest spring reverb pre-Leslie (rather than say a nice hall reverb post-Leslie) is what defines the sound!

BTW, old joke…

Q. Do you know what happens when a German organist gets to the saddest phrase in the saddest song he knows?

A. He turns the Leslie to Slow! 😂
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#505355 - 04/03/22 04:53 AM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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Originally Posted By cgiles
My 'friends' across the pond will probably hate this smile smile. I love the sound of my clonewheel, I think it captures the sound of the B3 pretty well. I'm going to try recording something on my new $99 VSTi, B3x, as soon as I get around to attaching and calibrating an expression pedal on my 2-controller setup.

https://app.box.com/s/b2ssh5prmjjjh56tnopibu8896k0zdnn

chas


Nice job, Chas! I'm sitting right now in a car, although everything seems fine here, a lot of snow, the day is quiet, but I'm a bit irritated today, however, I played your tune and it's like it showed me a bigger picture; that there are things which exist apart from all the daily rush, and they are in fact timeless.

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#505356 - 04/03/22 06:51 AM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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Thanks Kabinopus, one of these days I'll go back and (re)learn the intro to this tune, which is also very nice.

chas
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#505359 - 04/03/22 12:57 PM Re: Just 'noodling' [Re: cgiles]
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Chas
Now I know that much of the credit belongs to your playing, no matter what instrument you are playing. Very realistic, also.

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