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#510077 - 10/03/24 09:15 PM Re: GigLad Software Arranger for Windows & Mac [Re: abacus]
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14262
Loc: NW Florida
A developer balances time and effort against likely return for said time and effort.

Given that here, you are the ONLY member with this particular issue, and it might be fair to extrapolate that percentage across the board, that’s not enough demand to make it worth while doing it for FREE.

Somewhere there’s a guy with a bunch of Atari sequences who would LOVE to be able to read them on an iPad. Now, if you had the skill to code that Ted, would you do it for him for free, without knowing there was anyone else that needed that? Would you do it knowing there was maybe two or three?

No. No you wouldn’t. Not in a million years!

It’s hard to understand how you don’t seem to see how solitary your problem is. How you come up with the idea that there’s hundreds if not thousands of Roland OFS system users that would flock to his product ‘if only’ he would spend days and weeks programming a fingering system that has been defunct for years beats me. Where’s ONE person here chiming in he agrees?

Crickets.

You want him to code it, PAY HIM TO CODE IT.

Apparently, you don’t want it bad enough…
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#510078 - 10/03/24 11:40 PM Re: GigLad Software Arranger for Windows & Mac [Re: abacus]
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Registered: 04/28/06
Posts: 834
Loc: North Texas, USA
I really don't want to debate the issue any further. I posted initially to document what I perceive as an inconvenience, or potential shortcoming for anyone else out there who happens to think and play as I do. Based on posts I've read on the Korg Forums and PSR Tutorial, I KNOW there are others who were frustrated and disappointed to learn that a new board didn't incorporate the chord fingering they were used to. If any of them are also here on SynthZone and stumble across this thread, I don't blame them for staying on the sidelines and out of this fracas!

Re: software development. I've repeatedly mentioned that "Klaus" reached out to me, and we worked together to add Roland-style chord recognition to his software arranger Nimbu. I didn't pay him, and he didn't compensate me for the time I invested. Perhaps the same thing will happen with Giglad. And why would I pay? Based on my reading of the documentation, I just wouldn't buy the product as it currently stands. As I pointed out in my reply to Bill, additional chord recognition modes are a win-win for users AND the developer because they expand the potential sales base.

You've repeatedly characterized my observations and exhortations as a "problem." I've tried to demonstrate to you and other trained musicians here that they are also an opportunity.
Have you ever studied the history of the QWERTY keyboard layout? It's nearly universal, but it's also widely acknowledged to be sub-optimal. Common English vowels are hard to reach, etc. When the typewriter was first invented, QWERTY was seemingly a physical necessity to avoid 'key clash.' By the mid-20th Century, new mechanical designs eliminated any possibility of key clash. QWERTY is still the dominant layout (and collective typing ease likely suffers as a result!) However... there is a tiny percentage of users who have explored improved keyboard layouts like Dvorak and Colemak. I encourage you to Google these if you're not familiar with them. Windows supports this minority of users through customizable settings, remapping keyboard input to conform to these layouts. I think this is a reasonable analogy to my observations about Giglad, and simplified chord systems in general.

As a side note, Roland-style partial chord fingering isn't "defunct." I briefly tested the new Ketron Event and it seemed to demonstrate 100% conformance. Every Casio model made since 2012 or so has about 95% conformance, enough to play most songs without re-learning. Casios are often "first keyboards" for nascent musicians and the musically curious. That's a lot of users, but probably not here on the 'zone. Roland's E-A7 is still available new at retail. And the FP-E50 and latest Go:Keys models use Roland's venerable Chord Intelligence as originally devised in 1991.

We all come to our beloved arrangers from different viewpoints, with different hopes and expectations. As a home hobbyist, part of the appeal for me is that these machines are musical automatic weapons, a novelty and "force multiplier" for someone of lower skill. The first true Arranger was the Hammond S6 chord organ, a purpose-built "easy play" instrument that wasn't even a good gateway to learning a "real" home organ. Laurens Hammond himself wasn't a musician, he was an engineer! So please don't hate on me for hoping to sustain this facet of arranger tradition. Whether or not you agree, I'm grateful that you let me hang out on the 'Zone, and that it provides an enduring forum for healthy discourse.

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#510079 - 10/04/24 01:18 AM Re: GigLad Software Arranger for Windows & Mac [Re: abacus]
abacus Offline
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Registered: 07/21/05
Posts: 5383
Loc: English Riviera, UK
As far as I can see, Nimbu does not support the Mac, whereas Giglad does, hence the title of the post.

Bill
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#510098 - 10/09/24 11:55 AM Re: GigLad Software Arranger for Windows & Mac [Re: abacus]
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14262
Loc: NW Florida
Look, I can sympathize with your problem, Ted. You might remember how many long years I chastised everyone BUT Roland for not implementing a chord sequencer!

It seems like Korg and Yamaha got enough market research in to prompt them to eventually add it. But they’re huge corporations that can afford to do the market research. Thing is, software arrangers are still a tiny niche application. It doesn’t look like adding Roland’s fingering system has turned Nimbu into a must have piece of software for all arranger players… and it might be what’s driving Giglad to not bother.

There are so many features unique to each brand. Another person might complain that Nimbu hasn’t implemented Yamaha’s Ensemble voicing feature, or the ability to play Ketron Live Loop styles, or Korg’s clip launching pad system or ‘two styles simultaneously’ feature.

When you think about it, a software arranger that could duplicate EVERYTHING from every arranger brand is an insane proposition..!

Your pet peeve is just one of close to an infinite selection that could be raised. I don’t envy the position of one of these developers!

In closing, let me just point out that BEFORE QWERTY, there were also innumerable typewriter layouts. They settled on ONE, and for almost a century those who preferred one of the previous layouts simply knuckled down and learned QWERTY until there was enough demand and cash behind those demands for electronic typewriter companies to implement Dvorak etc..

A little bit of history you have conveniently ignored. Follow the money. 💵💶💷💴💰
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