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#52880 - 07/23/02 10:17 AM
Re: IMPORTANT ! Does the KN7000 include a Vocalizer?!
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Hi Grandpa ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/smile.gif) , Yes sir-ree, the PSR2000 not only includes a built in vocalizer, but quite an 'impressive' sounding one at that. To this day, I'm continously amazed how good it sounds, especially since the entire keyboard costs less than $1,000 (US dollars). Though it doesn't include as many features as the $450 (US) standalone vocalizer unit (Digitech Vocalist Workstation EX) which I used with my KN5000, it more than satsifies my demands for live gig performance, and sounds far superior to the crappy ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/frown.gif) (sorry folks, but I have to be honest) sounding one in the KN6000. Grandpa, don't lose faith that Grandma doesn't appreciate your beautiful singing, it could be just your dammed backup singers. ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif) Maybe if you just replaced THEM, it would solve everything. As Peter Castanos mentioned, it's odd that Technics made no mention of any new (improved?) vocal harmonizer in the KN7000. Considering the widespread bad reviews the KN6000/6500's vocal harmonizer got, I would think that Technics would have made it a #1 priority to correct this on the KN7000, and to make a 'grand stand' annoucement about it as well. Certainly the cost to correct the problem would have been mimimal, considering the Yamaha PSR2000 (with vocal harmonizer) is so cheap. Because Technics made no mention of a vocal harmonizer in their KN7000 press release, or highlight it in their KN7000 demos, it makes me suspicious that they either eliminated it all together or just decided to keep the same aweful one they had in the KN6000/6500. I HOPE I'm wrong, because a 'decent sounding' built in vocal harmonizer has become an expected 'standard feature' in most top of the line keyboard arrangers these days. As both a singer & keyboard player, it's an ESSENTIAL feature. - Scott ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/confused.gif)
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#52882 - 07/26/02 02:58 PM
Re: IMPORTANT ! Does the KN7000 include a Vocalizer?!
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Hi Derek: Not only is the vocal harmonizer good for karaoke/lyrics on screen type venues, but as a pro solo vocalist & arranger keyboard entertainer, I find it an essential tool for the one man band entertainer as well. I typically utilize the vocalizer to provide backup harmonies on the chorus of a song, or just to emphasize specific word(s) of the song. Utilizing a vocal harmonizer adds variety & interest to many songs, and many songs demand it (Steve & Edie Gormet tunes, Everly Brothers, BeachBoys, Boy2Men, BackStreet Boys, etc), so a decent sounding 'built in' harmonizer has become an essential requirement for me.
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#52884 - 07/27/02 09:52 AM
Re: IMPORTANT ! Does the KN7000 include a Vocalizer?!
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Originally posted by waterschip: You pro's mostly don't use the inbuild speakers Not THIS pro ! I rely on the onboard speakers to bring the sound closer to me so I can better control the volume to me audience. The advent of monitor speakers is nothing new, but having it built in to our tools is a GREAT advantage over the old way of "one job - one tool" Todays pro market includes many smaller, less "sonically demanding" performances, and as a working musician who does his own hauling and setting up - I refuse to carry anything that I don't need. The keyboard manufacturers have yet to really address the needs of the full time working pro that does these smaller velues. All the atention seems to go to the guys that might get on MTV. They are getting closer, but in fact, no one is building a roadworthy, lightweight, fully featured keyboard that MOST pros will be happy with. They all have SOME of what we want, and SOME of them sound better than others, and SOME of them are more portable than others, and SOME of them ..... you get the idea. From the Pro's point of view - as soon as someone gets it right ... REALLY right - I'm sure there will be a flood of customers rushing to the stores to get their hands on the beast. Until that day, we are all in an endless cycle of upgrades and compromises - workarounds, and sacrifices. And through it all ..... we somehow find time to get to work and PLAY these keyboards !
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#52894 - 08/22/02 05:15 PM
Re: IMPORTANT ! Does the KN7000 include a Vocalizer?!
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Originally posted by technicsplayer: I should get another 7000 tomorrow... ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/smile.gif) Alec (Technicsplayer): 'Another' one? Wow! . . . that means you'll have two KN7000 kbs. One for the studio and one for the road huh? Re: KN7000 Vocal harmonzier I'm really surprised & disappointed to hear that Technics didn't correct the infamous KN6x00 cheesy vocal harmonizer problem on the KN7000. ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/confused.gif) Hey, even my budget priced ($1,000 US) Yamaha PSR2000 includes a very decent sounding vocalizer so why couldn't Technics have done this on their top end, higher priced arranger model? ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/confused.gif) Does Technics give any official explanation? I realize that some of you may not care about the vocalizer feature, but many (most?) professional one man band entertainers 'do' sing to enhance their act, and having decent sounding vocal backup harmony has become an 'essential' part of the package, especially when performing classic pop 60's to present day contemporary tunes. Many classic pop/rock tunes demand vocal backup harmony as even the type of harmony used has become a signature feature of a song. Can you imagine singing a Beachboys tune or 'California Dreaming' without vocal harmony? I'm afraid Technics really dropped the ball on this one. ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/frown.gif) Though I've been a loyal fan of Technics KN arrangers, and certainly impressed with some of the other new KN7000 features (SD Memory, etc), I'm having serious reservations about upgrading to the KN7000 now. With my KN5000, I was at least able to place an external vocalizer box (Digitech Vocalist Workstation) right on top of the KB (directly to the right of the LCD screen: over the right speaker section), but on the KN7000, there appears to be no place an external vocalizer box can sit (fit) which will allow direct access to the vocalizer's controls & sliders while performing. I wonder if there's any possibility the KN7000's vocalizer could be improved via an OS update?! ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/eek.gif) I'm really interested in getting feedback & views from others on this. Scott
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#52897 - 08/23/02 02:30 AM
Re: IMPORTANT ! Does the KN7000 include a Vocalizer?!
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I only had the review 7000 for a very short time, Scott, it went back on its way travelling around the world a few times... ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif) The 6X00 had an extremely comprehensive setup and control screen for digitech or prism etc, 7000 should be the same. I have no idea what any official technics explanation for this is, I just think that most of their customers just don't use a harmoniser in anger so they spend the money elsewhere in the design process. I know the yamaha vocalisers are good, but you must admit not as good as an external unit. To do the job properly you have to pay the licence fee for the chip, which yamaha do, rather than just use a dsp which is what technics have done. I suppose each makes a decision based on what their market thinks important. Technics attitude is probably that if you want the job done properly, hook up a digitech, we'll spend the money on sounds/screen/operating system, the things that our market go for?
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