Would someone please help me with the answer as to why My R1,R2, and LH change as the midi files change in a medley e.g. .

I want to set up my 7000 with one setup and not have it change unless I change it. In the same vein, I would like to set up several combinations for use with different files, and store them in a bank or somewhere.

Thank you

Bernie

Bernie,

If you are using prerecorded midis from the internet, you will need to rearrange the tracks on the midi so tracks one and two handle the melody and track 3 handles the bass. If there is no melody for track 2, leave this track out of the midi so your tracks will run: 1,3,4,etc. This can be done with midi software. Then when you load the midi into the keyboard, just mute tracks one, two, and three. What is happening with the volume changes is that the midi tracks are being told what to do inside of the midi program. If you mute the tracks, the midi program will not control them. I hope this helps. If it's not clear, just post again.

Peter

PS. Midis from the internet come all messed up and need to be remixed before using on the keyboard.

Hi Peter

Thank you for replying. Some midi's do this, some don't. I see what you are saying. but don't have the software (I don't think),nor the knowledge to manipulate tracks. However, I am willing to get into it.

If I know what software I need, I will get it.

Thanks again

Bernie
ps I bought "Midi Quest" some time ago, but it does not support Technics, but maybe it doesn't matter with midi.

Bernie,

When it comes to midi, it doesn't make any difference what midi software you use. Midis will work on any instrument that is midi compatible. I use digital orchestrator pro. Many people seem to like Cakewalk, but give your "midi quest" a try. It's not too difficult to learn and I'm sure this will work fine for you. I've been remixing midis for about 3 years and have done over 800 songs. I have a Technics KN6500. If you have any more questions, either post or email.

Peter

PS. When you load the midi file into the keyboard, select the gm --> nx conversion. This will change your midi instruments into Technics instruments for a much better sound and control.

Thanks, Peter, I'll give it a go.
Bernie

not exactly sure what you want but if you wish have R1, R2 and L stay your preferred instruments and different instruments to those in the midi files no matter what midi files play in medley:

you don't need any software or to edit anything in the midi files. Just go to midi menu, mode setting, and choose gm 2 with channels 1-16 = parts 1-16.

if you now direct play a medley of midi files R1, R2 and L are independent of all parts playing in the midi file and will play whatever instruments you choose, and will stay these instruments no matter what midis play in the medley.

That is exactly what I meant. Thank you very much. Sorry I wasn't clearer, but that got it.

Bernie

Bernie,

Use the software and edit the midi files if you want decent midi backing tracks. If you don't care how they sound, then listen to technicsplayer.

Peter

a strange statement, since if you actually read my post I never said that software and editing cannot improve midi files, I just said they could not provide a solution to the original problem, that's all.

I realize that NX is superior, and ,by the way, I quess it is the default mode, as I had to switch it back to GM2 at bootup, but I have to give up something at my low level of expertise I quess.
After I changed some of the files back to GM2 from NX ,this solves the problem,I think.

What I envision is a bank of setups where I may have different Left,R1,and R2 instruments, and also other instruments pre-chosen.If I have a country song e.g., I want to go to #3, which has R1-Steel,R2-sax,etc., but if I want a piano, I want the right piano to be in place, since I don't have time to fiddle with it on the fly.

The problem is that nothing remains the same, and I never know what to expect.

As it is now, when I hit a bank number, the sequencer gets involved and changes the tempo to whatever is saved. I don't want to involve the sequencer except to have it play it's GM2 designated backing part, at least until I get more proficient at manipulating tracks.

the first method will work fine for direct play medleys, where you want to mute the melody and play any conductor voice of your choice instead. If you want to use panel memories for the conductor voices just turn off part 1-16, tempo, etc etc down the list in the filter to stop these changing the things you don't want changed in the midi file.

If you want to change voices on the fly in direct play or from sequencer, use the mixer.

If you want to save midis with banks of panel memories preprogrammed with either sound changes in the midi tracks, or with preprogrammed conductor voices independent of the midi tracks this can be done too, it all depends on specifying what you want to do.

the simplest example:

initialise.
load midi.
save panel mem 1.
play the midi and change the lead voice in the mixer.
save pan mem 2.
stop, sequencer reset, press pan mem 1.
save technics sequencer, pan mem and current panel only.

initialise again (to prove it works).
load your midi and play it.
any time you want to change to your pre-programmed alternative melody voice just press pan mem 2.

if you want to include conductor parts, then follow a combination of the two methods. If you want to use conductor parts from panel memory but leave the midi backings unchanged
this can also be done. The exact method depends on whether you want to direct play, or medley from the sequencer.

It is feasible to change all 16 parts of the midi from panel memory, your idea of a blanket setup would not work for many midi files, because you don't know what you are changing to what - you can't change piano with sustain pedal to trombone for instance - you need to choose your instruments for each song, or sort banks of songs with compatible orchestrations for each track.

Alec

Thank you for the time on the reply. I am beginning to see that panel memories, by nature, have to include things like tempo,volume,etc.

It will take me a bit to try out your instructions. I naively thought I could have panel memories with different combinations of R1,R2, and left to bring up by a touch of a button without interfering with the midi track in any way.

In other words,7000 instruments with reverb alone, even, playing along side of the midi track. Just like I have my laptop playing tracks into the 7000 sometimes,but ,I want to store them on SD, with at least the GM2 quality of sound on the 7000.

That's precisely one of the scenarios I described:

Make some panel memories for conductor parts. Then press and hold SET, go to expand mode and then page 2. Switch off part 1-16, tempo, and anything else you do not want to change as the midi file plays (most things apart from reverb, multi and whatever else you want to use etc).

Load your midi, confirm gm mode is channels = parts as described before.

Midi will play and you can play independent conductor sounds on top of the midi, without in any way affecting the midi playback.

These panel memories can now be selected with any midi file and the conductor sounds will be independent of any midi file

Thank you Alec, I really appreciate your help.

Bernie

Technicsplayer,

Didn't mean to upset you. I do have a few questions about the procedures. Do the procedures move the data on midi tracks 1, 2, and 3 to other midi tracks or just not recognize the midi information? If the data is moved to other tracks, what happens if the total tracks are then more than 16? Will the procedure recognize the melody and bass no matter which tracks they are on? Most midis don't follow any set format. Why can't the GM to NX conversion be used, since you once said the gm instruments are not the same as the technics instruments, it would be nice to use the technics instruments? How long have you been working with midis on keyboards, and what keyboards do you use them on? I am always looking for an easier way to use my midis on my keyboard and I hope that your midi and keyboard experience and knowledge will help me out. Thanks in advance.

Peter

As I understood it the question was one of being able to play conductor parts independently while a midi file plays, preferably saved in panel memories so your pre-programmed favourite sets of voices could be selected in combination with any midi file.

The simplest solution would be one that requires no modification to the midi file, otherwise you have a lot of work in prospect changing all your midi files on an individual basis. So a universal solution would ideally require no tracks re-voicing, moving, or even preparing in any specific track/part order. Re-voicing to NX (which I have lost count of the number of times I've described and recommended) is desirable to improve the sound, provided suitably sympathatic sounds are chosen, but takes us no closer to a solution to the question.

The easiest solution is decoupling the conductor parts from the midi file and preventing the panel memories from changing anything in the midi file. Then you can add your preprogrammed conductor sounds to any midi file you choose, without affecting it, irrespective of the state of the midi file.