Help Again,

Am having a problem trying to accomplish using two different rhythms for the same song. Want to know if it is possible. Here is what I am doing! I have found two complimentary rhythms that I want to use for different verses of my song. Both of the rhythms are from disks, NOT INTERNAL PRESET RHYTHMS (Thank you Gunnar for your wonderful website which gives me many, many choices -- you are appreciated!) I load my first disk, select the rhythm and load it. Then I put in the second disk, load it so I can see all of the styles; go to page 2 and select the parts I want to load; go to page 3 and load Bank 1 to Bank 2 and press the load button. Then I exit out of that, but when I check my Panel Memory buttons for Bank 1 and Bank 2, I have no changes. What is happening? Am I approaching this incorrectly? Or, is it only possible to do this using one internal preset rhythm and one rhythm from a floppy? HELP!

Carol

Hi Carol
Try this method. Load the file containing your 1st composer pattern - then save just the composer pattern to floppy. Then load your 2nd composer pattern.
Go back to the floppy and select the 1st composer pattern that you save; load it; go to page 3 and save it to bank 2 or 3.
John

what you really mean is load the first file, swap disks, highlight the second file, go to page 3, select composer, select another bank to that containing the first style, and then load it.

Hi John and Alec,

Thanks for the reply. I think I know what I am doing wrong. I am loading the Panel Memory rather than the Composer! Will try the Composer and let you folks know if it worked for me. Thanks again.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by technicsplayer:
[B]what you really mean is

Sorry Alec, there's only one person authorized to read my mind and that is 'She who must be obeyed'
I meant exactly what I said, to remove any chance of loading anything other than the composer from page 3.

Hi John and Alec,

Thank you very much. It works like a charm. Can't wait to surprise my piano teacher with this one!

Carol

but John, exactly what you said will not work!

Hi all,

It's me again! Yes, I was successful at loading the first rhythm in Memory Bank B, and the second rhythm pattern in Memory Bank C. Now I am trying to combine the different rhythm patterns into Memory Bank A so that I have the mixture of rhythms in one Bank of Panel Memory buttons. Here is what I am doing -- I go to Memory Bank C, Panel Memory button 1. Set up my insturments, etc., just the way I want them. Then I go to Memory Bank A and save in expanded mode all of the settings in Panel Memory button 1. Then I go to Memory Bank B, Panel Memory button 1, and set up my instruments there. Then I switch to Memory Bank A again and save my settings in expanded mode to Panel Memory button 2. When I go back to play the song using the Memory Bank A, only the original rhythm pattern is there, not my second one. Now what am I doing wrong? My end goal is to have my different rhythms reside in the same Memory Bank with a different rhythm pattern in each Panel Memory button. Is this possible, and if so, how? HELP! (I sure hope all this makes sense!)

Carol

sorry Carol, don't follow what you are doing. Are you talking about composer banks or panel memory banks?

If you want 8 panel memories in one bank using the 2 composers it does not matter if they are in composer A B or C, just save the panel memory pointing to the correct pattern.

If you want some patterns from each style specifically in composer A to use panel memory bank A because you specifically want composers B and C and panel memory banks B and C free for other setups that is another question.

In that case the page 3 load needs to be set to single rather than bank, whence you can overwrite individual composer variations with the new patterns you want, and keep everything in composer bank A without having to use B or C.

I think it is possible to load the rhythms in the composer memory without using an intermediate floppy disc by using the single load option (page 3/3) of the disc load function.

Use the mode button to select Composer and the Bank/Single button to select Bank.

You can then load one bank at a time from the floppy to the composer memory. Repeating this for another rhythm and using a different composer memory allows you to then access the composer memories with the panel memories as you normally would.

Hope this is helpful.

Lanny

Alec,

In reading your earlier post again I think I just repeated exactly what you suggested. I had missed the fact that you had not suggested the intermediate floppy.

Hi Alec and Lanny,

My goal is to have in MEMORY A several different variations of 2 different rhythms.

I think I have confused myself by loading one BANK of rhythms into MEMORY C and the other one into MEMORY B and then trying to merge the best variations of both Memory B and C into MEMORY A.

Instead, I should be loading the best "single" variations into MEMORY A from the first rhythm disk, then repeat loading "single" variations of my second rhythm disk into the same MEMORY A BANK in the variation slots that are still blank. However, I am brain dead for the night, so am quitting for now! Rest assured, I will be back with a vengence until I master this procedure.

Carol

Hi Alec & Lanny,

Couldn't sleep thinking about this! Got up and tried again. It is all so easy it is unbelieveable! The key is a little pre-planning before you start moving things into Memory A! First load your first rhythm choice like usual. Then Load your second disk and highlight the rhythm you want to use, go to page 3 and load the additional variations you want to use, one at a time using Composer and single load. Be sure and load them into an empty slot or over the top of one you don't want from the first disk. Then start working with your instruments and sound settings in your Panel Memory buttons.

I was trying to move everything at once (rhythm variations, Panel Memory, Sound Settings, etc.) from one Memory bank to another Memory bank. Doesn't work that way at all!

Now that I have my base variations built in Memory A, I can rebuild my instruments, sound edits, etc. in the Panel Memory buttons. I smell success just around the corner!

Thanks folks for all the help. You came through for me again, and I appreciate it.

Carol

now you've got it, and you can do exactly the same thing with individual panel memories off any disk too. The registrations stand, all you have to do is change the composer they point to.

Lanny, Carol started off with 2 disks, so disk load is the easiest way providing the files are all in 7000 format. If patterns are already in composer B and C you can use composer copy, but this would be unnecessary complication if starting from 2 disks.

I don't know if the kn7k works any differently, but I just use Memory Banks A-C to load in the styles and use Pattern Copy to switch variations around to Memory Bank A in the position I choose. Then I delete the banks not in use and do all my renaming at the same time. Then I set up the panel memory banks with instrumentation and use the expand mode to set the panel memory to the proper variation I want to use. That way I can use the pedal to switch panel memories and the variations will follow suit. Before I start recording, I will copy the reworked style to disk and reload once more. That will stop any problems with the memory locations jumping around when you record and playback. It's quite easy to "borrow" bits and pieces from different styles to create one of your own unique sounds.

same thing Bud, just quicker to do it directly off disk if you are already in the menu.