A open letter to Bebop.

After the deleting of my posts and treads lately, and also calling me
troublemaker and garbageposter, I would like to get some desent answers
for some of my questions.

In the "reopening" of the "Evalution your Technics instrument" tread,
you ask for piece and harmony.
No problem at all Bebop, because it would have been so if you have'nt
edited Alain's post who was both legal and not offending anyone, and
likely regarding the simple question Johnnie.c. posted.

This is a question of principles and that's also about that not a single
member should have to be treated like this.
Why post at all if you never know what's going to be edited by others,
moderator or not, after you've posted?

Remember, if I post a tread and someone reply with things who don't fit
in to the interests of mine, do I have the power to go in and do such
editing? No sir, but I can delete the whole tread, and that would
be very unfair to the rest of the members posting in the same tread,
therefor this should never happen as long as it don't cross the common
sense and the rules of Synth Zone set by Nigel.

If someone post something who don't suit me in other treads than those
I start, then I can't do nothing, and if the moderator don't agree in my
way of see things, I can not do anything else than let it be as it is.
And here is the big difference and where you should be very careful if
you shall be universally trusted by the members/users of this forum.

My personal meaning is that you treated this "business" wrong, and as you
know what happened when people moved over from Technote, I could not sit
still and watch you make steps similiar to what both you and me was very
upset and back then made actions about.

When "this Gunnar dude" being upset, and as we can see when other people
here have any sort of misunderstandings and mistakes, they can apologise
like adult people, and the moderator is a member here just like everyone
else as far as I can see it.
So the next question is, why can't you apologise too if and when nessesary
instead of act like this forum is your very private area, and that other
members meanings just can be wiped out the way we could see?

Let's carry on "in piece and harmony", but I can't and will not sit still
and do nothing when such unfair play is going on.

Happy posting and playing.
Regards
Gunnar Jonny

Thank you Gunar for your post.
I accept what you are saying and I also understand your need to make this post public rather then by email which I would have preferred.
We have always appreciated your helpful imputs to this and other forums over the years as well as your very helpful website.
I extend my apology to you for upsetting you as well as any and all of our members. I agree in hindsight that I over-reacted. However I do not believe that our personal disagreements should be aired on the forum but would be better served by using email. I always reply to any and all email received, and I do receive many.
I agree that I should not have edited Alain's post even though I feared it would take the topic tangent and defeat the path of the intended topic. I apologize to Alain for this and resolve not to edit any post at any time in the future. I do intend to delete any posts that are abusive to our members, and encourage them to deal with each other via email. I will make an effort to bring a topic back on track rather then deleting the digressing post, and Censoring will only be a final effort to keep the peace and harmony that this fine forum deserves.
Best to you and all members


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BEBOP
Moderator SynthZone TECHNICS FORUM
http://www.synthzone.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=25
Bill Forrest in SAN JOSE, CALIF. USA
bforrest@ix.netcom.com ICQ # 562519
Homepage http://www.anycities.com/bebop/

Bebop, it's very kind of you to reply to this post, and I have no problem
at all to accept your apology.
We all do mistakes once in a while, and by reply this way, you tell every
member and viewers that when we does mistakes, it's usually no problem to
sort it out. Thank you.

However, I did feel I had to post this in public, after all the whole
situation was performed openly at this forum, and many members did not see
the real cause for the "conflict" that we could see happened.

I'm now looking forward to continue peek in now and then, and hopefully
we all can carry on do as best as we can and help eachother to avoid such
episodes in the future.

Happy playing (and posting)
Regards
Gunnar Jonny

Well done Gunnar and Bebop.

Fran in Florida

Bebop and Gunnar,
Glad to see that issue resolved.
The best to both of you,
Walt

Bebop
Do you remember when I complained & bitterly criticised Technote
about the same censorship & draconian measures as we have witnessed here of recent days.
Do you remember writing to me lending your whole heartfelt support for my actions at that time also when we spoke of finding somewhere else so that people could communicate without censorship. Well I can as if it were yesterday.
It is a real shame that we had to get to this point before you realised the error of your ways.
I will always without fail take a stand against censorship & what I consider to be unfair treatment as in the case of Alain's post & others who I have supported in the past both here & the various Technote forums.
At least unlike Technote you have to your credit pulled back from the brink.
We must always remember that this is a public meeting place where sometimes conflicting points of view need to be aired & providing that any comments are neither abusive or offensive then they should be allowed to flow.
I would hope that your apology to Gunnar & Alain is also extended to myself for my post in support of in my opinion the unfair treatment of Alain.
Hopefully we can now go forward and achieve the peace and harmony you so desire with only the freedom of speech being the victor.
I have tagged this post onto this thread whilst not wanting to create another open letter or thread.
Best Regards
Johnnie

While I missed the posts that were deleted I was glad to have not read them. It was distressing to me to see these fine men like Bebop, Gunnar and Alain at odds, but yet I couldn't figure out why. All I could do was pray that the issue would be resolved, and I was greatly rewarded to see things are getting worked out and friendships are back on track. I was in on the Technote departure and it wasn't fun, therefore I was not eager to see a repeat of events. I have come to enjoy the candor, wit and warmth expressed on this forum and it is upsetting to see the posts take an ugly turn. Gunnar Jonny has always been forthright and honest in his posts and as helpful as possible, as have the others involved, and Bebop has always strived to maintain a lighthearted balance. So I raise my glass to brotherhood and say I am happy to see all of you again!

It is great to see a resolve to this issue. And in this case it needed to be stated publicly for everyone to feel comfortable that it had indeed been resolved. And BEBOP apologized to ALL members which of course includes you Johnnie.c

BEBOP has done a wonderful job bringing life to this area of the Synth Zone BBS. Before he moderated the Technics forum, it was a very lifeless discussion with very few members. And I do understand how much of his personal time he devotes to the Technics members here. It can be very hard to always make the right decisions when managing a public forum like this. This is a very new technology and we are all still learning how to best make it work for all our interests.

Now sit back down at your keyboard and start pumping out some great music which is the reason why we are all here in the first place.


[This message has been edited by Nigel (edited 07-14-2003).]

It is good to have differences. Even in our marriage or work place it's good. Our job is to overcome these differences, and in that we grow. I have found if the heart is honest and humble, when the pain subsides, I am closer to that indivual. WE have walked an ugly path, and coming out the other end feels wonderful.

I live with a special thought in regard to my friends, and it goes like this:

If my friend offends me, does something to hurt me, I will not take judgement against him, for what he has done was not meant for me. It was only a display of what he may be going through at the time. Amen!!

Hey, I really enjoy this forum---it's time to go back to caring and playing. What is done is done. This is a sweet place to be, and I would like to get back to music, SD cards, sequencing, and those beautiful and sometimes crazy e-mails that Bebop sends out.

Her I go with my new word---
C H E E R S, John C.

..... thanks to you all for making my day .....
It takes grown men, confident in their convictions to go public with a problem and it takes the same kind of man to admit a mistake .... I applaud you all ....
THANK YOU
.. as I've often said, this place IS the BEST!!!!
t.