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#61981 - 11/20/03 10:04 AM
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The www.technicskn7000.com revamp should now be complete. To see your own applicable downloads read or download the "Download Instructions PDF document" at the top of each page which flowcharts which files work where and how to download and use them. The point of this exercise was to make the styles here, which were previously only available in KN7000 format, available to KN2600, KN2400, PR804, PR604 and PR54 owners. Now piano owners can download a library of 727 free styles and Kn2600/2400 owners a library of 682 free styles, all professionally produced. A by-product is the addition of the new KN2600 styles available for KN7000 owners in special versions simulating the advanced style and sound edits and controllers in the new keyboard rom. A further by-product for KN7000 owners is the flexibility of having the 727 free style library in whichever format they prefer to work in, since every download on the site can be used in the KN7000. You can load Single Custom versions. You can load ALL Custom versions. You can load Composer/Panel Memory versions. You can use Floppy Disk as your medium. You can use SD card as your medium with prepared backups of all the styles for the supplied 8 MB card or the total library in Composer/Panel Memory format for minimum 64 MB card. Suggested Songs PDF for the new styles is also available and the existing Songs for KN7000 suggestions are available in two PDFS for easier access and simpler word search. Don't forget there is also a style search menu button on the site which will list those downloads containing a specific style you may be after. Enjoy.
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#61986 - 11/20/03 12:39 PM
Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Thank You Alec, great to see it finally finished. ( I can stop feeling guilty now (haahaa) Job well done, and thank you for all the hard work you've obviously put into this. best wishes Rikki [QUOTE]Originally posted by technicsplayer: [B]The www.technicskn7000.com revamp should now be complete.
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#61995 - 11/20/03 08:56 PM
Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Hi Frank:
Not sure this is what your looking for, but will give it a try.
Go to the software page, scroll down to just above center, and when you see KN Floppy Disk Style Library for PR804, PR604 and PR54... STOP! This is what I think your looking for. Right above the piggy bank (rom)... It's missleading, it is in KN7000 format.
Here you should see (MAC) files, click on the download icon for each (MAC)disk, 3 in all. The download files should be a zip.
I think you're misunderstanding the description 38 styles. If you total all the styles that have been converted in disk format, you would end up having a total of 38 disks with about 20 styles per disk, some won't have the full 20. The KN2600 will have 45 styles on 3 disks.
Hope this helps, Anthony
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#61999 - 11/21/03 05:27 AM
Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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#62006 - 11/21/03 06:35 PM
Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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A really fine bit of work Alex, but at the moment I am getting a bit bogged down, I have a blank 128MB SD Card and would like to put , 7000 Table B-Composer/Panel Memories onto the Card, the instructions say,Download the SINGLE Total SD Card Backup, I have been looking for this Single Backup, I have searched the 5 pages, but cant seem to find it, can anyone pleas e help, I am hoping that with one click I can download all of this, Thank You, Johnny B Originally posted by technicsplayer: As the text says, all downloads on the site load into the KN7000, they are labelled for the specific other products they are also applicable for. If you go to either of the KN Floppy Disk Style Library sections and click on a KNxxxx Disk xxx (MAC) button you should get a download KNxxxx disk x.zip. There aren't any asp files, you may be saving the web page rather than the download file, I haven't a mac so can't test it.
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#62010 - 11/22/03 03:56 PM
Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Hi Everyone, an interesting discussion cropped up in our kn7 styles group yesterday in regards to the reason why Alec has gone to all the trouble of putting our kn7 styles into both types of formats Custom styles & Composer Styles. Thought I'd share the following best wishes Rikki --- In kn7000styles@yahoogroups.com, "Rikki King" wrote: > Thank you > so much Alec for all the hard work you've put into these styles. > They are greatly appreciated.
From: "technicsplayer" Date: Fri Nov 21, 2003 11:30 pm Subject: Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS USERS
hope the various versions come in useful, Rikki! :-)
From: "Rikki King" Date: Sat Nov 22, 2003 9:54 am Subject: Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS USERS Hi Alec, the bonus is that you've now apparantly given us access to all the styles in COMPOSER format as well as in the original CUSTOM Style format. ( I'm not allowed to download them at the moment because I've used up my monthly allowance of mb's, and my service provider charges like a wounded bull when you go over the allowance, so I'm limiting myself to emails at the moment and the odd file) of all the times not to be allowed to download ( haahaa)
The benefit that I can see in having them in composer format is that
1. Custom styles apparently only work on the keyboard they were created for, so I assume if/when the new model kn appears on the scene , the kn7 customs probably wouldn't work on the new model, wheras in kn7 composer format,would/should.
2. Having them in composer format is great for the members who share their songs. I've had a couple of songs play back with rather bizzare styles. ie the sequence had been created using a custom style. Problem was, my custom style set was different to the original players set. He hadn't saved the custom set as part of the song. Wouldn't have had the problem, if the style had been available in composer format. It's far easier to save a composer style as part of the song, than a full custom set.
3.You've done all the hard work converting them from custom to composer. Now if we want to do any editing or fiddling round with these styles we can.
thanks again alec
best wishes Rikki From: "technicsplayer" Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:57 am Subject: Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS USERS
precisely, Rikki. It's obviously taking a while to sink in widely because there is complete flexibility in how you want to load and save in whatever storage medium you prefer now.
the downside is that custom format is more efficient for storage, as can be seen by the 7000 book total library backup from the CD fitting on a 32MB card, whereas this total library backup needs a 64 MB card, not really affected by the new styles included here. Also compare the number of styles that will fit on the 8 MB card.
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#62019 - 11/25/03 03:53 PM
Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Hi Tony,
Something I been very disappointed with Technics is once a new model comes out. No matter how wonderful, how great the current model was, might as well dig a grave for it.
I been involved with Technics PR's since 1996 and noticed then how big and popular the KN3000 was, and compatible with the PR900. Then the KN5000 came out, well that just killed the KN3000. Then of course the KN6000/KN6500 killed the KN5000. And you discovered what the KN7000 has done for KN6x00 series. No doubt when the KN8000(guessing model) comes out replacing the KN7000, I'll give it a year and people will say, what's a KN7000?
Knowing all this, it's sad the older models can not play newer model formats. I even asked why couldn't there be a "save as" feature in all new models to make it compatible with the older ones. That idea wasn't to positive, because why save in older formats? People just don't realize not everyone can afford buying the new models each time they come out, and really have to stay with what they have.
One of the reasons why I thought NX could fill that area, but finding out it's not all that simple. So that leaves MP3, which is great when listening to other peoples music. But that doesn't help in getting new composer files, sounds, etc to increase ones library.
The KN7000 website has really undertook (1. A major project by gathering all the KN model styles from the KN2000 to the KN6500 and converting into KN7000. (2. First to my knowledge this was ever done. Those who has KN7000 compatible units will have a field day with these? But still this leaves out a lot of people that own uncompatible models, and are unable to use the styles.
All in marketing strategy...
Anthony
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#62020 - 11/25/03 05:16 PM
Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Originally posted by AnthonyCian: ... All in marketing strategy... Anthony Well, this is of course marketing strategy, but also a question of our needs and whishes regarding this great inventions. I've, as many of you, bought most of the new KN keyboard models from Technics, started with the K350, then KN800, KN1000, KN2000 some years ago. I even ordered the new goodies before they was in the store, but after I got the KN3000, I did not buy the KN5000 before after the KN6000's was in the shop. People who know me thought I was seriously ill since I did not go for the latest as I usually did, but I found that the "old" one still could do the things I want it to do, at least compared to my skills regarding the use of it, and guess what, it still do The compability I think will never go back in models, and as we've seen, it hardly goes the other way either without using converting tools etc., but that's probably also a result of the new developed technical solutions, you have to leave the old technology when you find a new and better one to replace it. The fact that we don't see any new aditions of styles and software who fit the old models is too bad. Most all those instruments are still in use by people who bought it, and a lot ovn second hand or later bought models too. I know many looking for more and new such stuff to play along with, and I think Technote and others should not forget that market as soon as a new model show up. There will always be new technical solutions and ways to make this playable wondermachines even more tempting for us to buy, and I'm pretty sure that I am one of the Technicsusers who will "jump on the train" again very soon, and when I do so, hopefully the backward compability will make it possible to try out all the new stuff we can see at the KN7000 site now Welcome sx-KN8000 GJ
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#62022 - 11/26/03 04:42 AM
Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Anthony, I think we have pretty much the same points of view about this matters, but between the KN5000 and 6000, and then 7000 there is quite a difference in the fileformats used, also the have all the new sounds etc. used. This we also see when load a KN2000 pattern to KN3000, and so on, there is a lot of settings and changes to make before it sounds reasonable, and also of course when we convert downwards, we see the same happen on almost all To have a backward model save option would have been nice of course, but it would also put the price even higher. Also a big question is if this would be any useful for most of the users? After all, you leave the "old" model for a new one, the second hand buyers will also have a "new" model, and a lot of new stuff to explore. Well, the risk of being obsolete and the marketing strategy will most probably still be as we've seen it, regardless of what product we buy. I think they call it progress..... Happy playing. GJ
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#62025 - 11/26/03 06:37 AM
Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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I think we have not to leave the old technology when we buy a a new and better kb. As you say, if KN7000 was built after the KN5000, it's builders should be able to incorporate a KN5000 "save as" feature. If not, the current kb that was really popular past year looses interest and goes to the older models graveyard.
Technics should have their instruments more compatible from model to model. Probably, Yamaha succes is its compatibility. All PSRs are compatible: so, its songs and styles may be loaded and listened in all PSR, with minor modifications. Because of that, PSR are so popular.
But KNs are not compatible. So, and because of all support and new products are directed toward the new models... old models owners are "lost" (the KN6000 web site has been abandoned).
I think this marketing style is not typical of all manufacturers, as some of you say. For example, new Roland kbs may load all Roland styles (the low priced EM25 may do it). Yamaha kbs may load all yamaha styles and songs. Yes, the support of new products for older models is most often left up to a third party market, but there is more compatibility than Technics do. It gives more life to old models.
Because of that little compatibility, owners of old Technics kbs buying a new kb may be tempted to buy a non Technics kb...
I would like Technics be better in compatibily matter. Great sounds, great styles, great building, but ...
[This message has been edited by Bluebird (edited 11-26-2003).]
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#62028 - 11/26/03 11:36 AM
Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Hi Guys and Gals! Ruthie is in the kitchen getting a lot of the stuff ready for the day that transforms me. She has a formula for thanksgiving day that works magic. She somehow takes a turkey, does her thing with it and about an hour after noon on thanksgiving day she has turned me into a PIG. So here I am, thinking, just thinking and sitting. Sitting by my old friend, Mac. Old Mac is letting me see into your thoughts for this morning. Compatibility, popularity of PSR’s, sending old keyboards to the graveyard. Just thinking. Why do I have a Mac and not a PC? Why do I have a KN7000 and not a Tyros? Choices! And more choices! Myself just asked me why? Well, that's a good question, Why? Why Mac and not a PC? Elegance my friend, just plain elegance. Solid operating system. No virus to speak of. Can make it into a PC with a few bucks worth of software. Why did I say KN7000 and Tyros? I look at those two words as top of the line in arranger keyboards. I guess that’s why. Why did I choose top of the line? I like top of the line. I also got the where with all to satisfy my few remaining years on earth. Because the KN cost a bit more than the Tyros? Could care less, just like top of the line stuff. I see Bluebird says - “Because of that little compatibility, owners of old Technics kbs buying a new kb may be tempted to buy a non Technics kb...”. Thinking about that makes me wonder. Why would I tradeoff such great sounds, great styles and great quality for the ability to degrade these with old technology? With this kind of thinking I suppose some would think that modern CD’s should be able to play on a machine made for 78’s with a needle. Why not? What do you think? Gunner quotes bluebird - Because of compatibility PSR’s are so popular. Lets take top of the line again. KN7000 and Tyros. KN6500 and PSR9000. I wonder what the number of each were sold in comparison. I suppose that if you take the complete line of Yamaha there would be more. I just wonder about the new KN and the Tyros. I would venture to say - Well what do you think? While sitting back and thinking it dawned on me that some people are living in the present and some kind of live in a dream world. Something like Alec the technicsplayer’s practicability and the dream wishes of others. Gunner wonders how is the compatibility if you load a Tyros Mega Voice style into an old PSR? I’m sitting here thinking and wondering. How would they? What do you think?
Grandpa Doug
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#62030 - 11/26/03 01:03 PM
Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Hi BlueBird:
Thanks for your feedback and feeling compatibility is important.
----General----
I mentioned a newer model having a "save as" feature as one of maybe many possibilites of making Technics instruments compatible. I'm sure there are other technologies that can make it possible to have Technics more compatible.
When the next new KN model comes out, most current KN owners will purchase it, regardless of compatibility. Yes their older files will probably work on the new model, but not vice-versa. So if any new songs were recorded and saved on the new model, it would only work for that model.
After hearing the feedback, it sounds to me that most all current KN owners prefers new sounds, and features, over compatibility. And probably why Technics do what they do, go with what's in demand. If compatibility is not a major concern/factor when purchasing the new model, then in Technics point of view, why bother making these compatible?
Anthony
[This message has been edited by AnthonyCian (edited 11-26-2003).]
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#62031 - 11/26/03 03:27 PM
Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Hi Jonny, all very true. Quite frankly the gloss went off my 9000 pro the day Bob ( psr styles group) told us he'd have to remove the current model styles from the site. These styles were uploded by members, not by Yamaha. ( I tend to think they were just turning a blind eye) Some of the members were whinging about this, that and the other, and Bob tried desperately to warn us. They wouldn't listen. We drew too much attention to ourselves. Result the more current styles had to be removed.
If it wasn't for 3rd party developers of great little utility programs for psr's ( majority of them share all their work for free) I wonder if the psr's would really be as popular, ( except with owners who require a good voice processor.) The style creation features aren't a patch with what you get on a kn7, the sequencer isn't as good either.
The majority of styles floating around are only conversions and in a lot of instances haven't been tweaked so really don't sound all that great.
Heck we could go the same way, use our style convert disks or EMC conversion software & churn them out by the 100's. Most instances, they'd sound like rubbish, unless someone took the time to tweak them and make them sound good.
best wishes Rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gunnar Jonny: [B] If I don't remember it wrong, the Tyros styles have been modifyed unofficially by the users, and not by Yamaha? Also I think I've heard that they do not sound anything like the Tyros played on the PSR's. In fact I seem to remeber that the Yamaha lawyers insisted that users should take the styles off of the web pages not so long ago, and is'nt it true that there was a big fuss among the Yamaha users because of this?
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#62033 - 11/26/03 04:41 PM
Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Loc: United Kingdom
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Hi Gunnar, Tony, and Anthony,
Gunnar, you hit the nail on the head precisely with your comments. I've had my KN6000 for nearly three years and it still does what I need and want it to do just as your present keyboard does for you. However, as I have said in other threads, I am ready to upgrade, so am waiting for the sx-KN8000 to appear.
I feel that Panasonic/Technics is listening to us, their loyal customers. We have voiced our wishes for a multitude of improvements we would like to see in the next generation KN. I'm sure the Technics folks monitor this forum and the Yahoo KN forum for opinions regarding the KN7000, its sounds, features, and shortcomings as expressed by those who purchased it. In addition, many folks, including me, have written to the UK and US Technics representatives expressing opinions directly to the people representing Panasonic in what is likely the two largest Technics markets. All of that feedback has to influence to some degree the design of the next generation KN.
I look forward with a lot of anticipation to the introduction of that next flagship keyboard. I want to see if Technics improved the vocal harmonizer, added new Techni-Chord options, and incorporated many of the other features we have talked about here. If so, I will buy it. If not, I'll likely buy a KN7000 selling at a reduced price and be happy to have it.
Happy Playing!
Chuck
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