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#62498 - 10/05/05 10:41 AM
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People get stuck in their ways Bebop, it's as simple as that, to me it defies simple logic. Every musician is looking for a better sound, a nicer tone, etc etc. I just can't believe that anyone can think they've found the ultimate sound in any keyboard, and lose the enthusiam to make better music.
This will make you laugh, it's the same sort of situation. I live in a cul-de-sac of mainly retired folk, none of whom like change, if the dustman calls on a different day it's the end of the world, no what I mean!
A couple of years ago our local cable company approached the entire village about installing cable to every house. In the cul-de-sac a meeting was held by the local retired policman who strongly recommended to all present that cable should not be installed, all of the residents in our cul-de-sac signed a patition expressing their disapproval, they'd always been with BT and didn't want anything to do with the new cable network service.
When I talked to some of my neighbours about the cable service none of them really new what it was all about and wait for it they didn't even want to know.
Two years later and now the dust has settled no less than 6 residents have signed up for the new cable service.
In my view It's a simple case of blinkered vision.
Enjoy your new keyboard Bebop, you'll love it!
Kind regards to all
Peter
[This message has been edited by Peter Lowden (edited 10-05-2005).]
[This message has been edited by Peter Lowden (edited 10-05-2005).]
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#62500 - 10/05/05 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by kn7: [B]Peter,
Here is a case of WAIT AND SEE. The old people should still hold out. CABLE is not only NOT as good as DISH network (digital signal) but much more expensive.B] Hi kn7, Nothing to do with wait and see i'm afraid (which is always a good policy) this was simply don't want it it's new and we've always got by OK with BT. As for a dish on the wall, they all recieve their TV via analogue aerials. My elderly neighbour who lives sadly on her own watches a dreadful picture every evening, I tried for an hour several months ago to explain the cheaper benefits of cable TV and phone, she would save at least £20 a month, couldn't convince her though, it's like I say old habits die hard! When the promotional offers from cable were posted through our doors the line rental was half the price of BT and the calls 75% cheaper, did they jump at the offer no they dug there heels in further. For those that did take advantage of the new service we got cheaper calls broadband internet and 30 free chanels. What's the sense in watching a dreadful picture, when it could be perfect, why watch a black and white tele when there's colour, why only want to play a keyboard that's several years old when there's so much more beside on offer. The answer, BLINKERED VISION!! Kind regards Peter [This message has been edited by Peter Lowden (edited 10-05-2005).]
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#62502 - 10/05/05 12:29 PM
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I feel we should beyond Bebop buying a Tyros 2. This forum has been special to many, and I wish to give thanks to people like Nigel and Bebop that helped make it possible. But the fact is that Technics is now out of business, and there is no future KN8000. That is sad for the many that are on this forum, and those who look anxiously to the next model.
When I bought a Tyros part of me felt guilt ? Am I being disloyal? Am I jumping ship? None of the above, I love to discover, to learn and grow in my keyboard knowledge. Tyros did that for me, now I have it up for sale. Do I feel any guilt about selling the Tyros? ---Naw! What's this guilt that I am talking about? To me, I feel that I am displaying how much this forum and the people who add mean to me. There is no guilt or loyalty feelings when I sold my first Tyros, and I have none selling my second Tyros.
It is not about keyboards, it's all about people and loss of something they love and enjoy. Life must go on and so must new keyboards --- have you noticed the excitement on the forum when a new model of Technics came out? it is no longer. Meanwhile the general Arranger forum is buzzing.
This is my home, and I will stay until it is my time to move on. Right now I own a KN7000 and I am using it for my coming jobs, it?s like an old precious friend.
Now if you think that Bebop did not have some of these feelings, think again. He is being real, and I guess he may be a little stronger about "looking the other way and moving on".
Please, Only My Humble Opinion, John C.
[This message has been edited by bruno123 (edited 10-05-2005).]
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#62506 - 10/05/05 02:42 PM
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I am just happy that Bebop is happily anticipating his new toy. That,s why we make music, to make ourselves and others happy. Over the years I have bought 20 keyboards,at least. The reason is I thought I would sound better. In my case, I hindered my progress by having to learn a new KB all over again in some cases.
I have not even come close to mastering the KN7000. I don't think any board will do something for me that this one won't, but that's me not Bebop.
Congratulations my friend. Time is too short to worry about trivia.
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#62515 - 10/07/05 10:49 AM
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posted by BEBOP: "SHAME ON ME"
Well, where do I start with this post, first I will say it’s everyone to their own taste, to be fair Bebop has not rubbished Technics! He has always praised the KN series! If he wants to purchase a Tyros 2 then, why not. If when he plays about with it, and does not like it he will surely buy something else! I have myself had over the years, lots of Technics, in 1985 I bought the SX-k250. the 350-500-700. I then bought the KN1000, next the KN2000. I sold that one and bought the KN5000, I sold that one, and bought the KN2000, I sold that and bought the KN6000, I sold that one and bought the KN2000, I sold that and bought and bought the KN7000, I kept that and bought the KN2000, I sold that and bought another KN7000, I now have two KN7000’s. Guess what I bought today??? A KN2000, I will sell one of the KN7000’s, but I have firmly decided I will Never, never again part with the KN2000. which takes me to the point of, “everyone to their own choice” Mine is definitely the KN2000, and will always Remain so. No use saying to me it’s old hat, to you maybe, but it’s my decision And my choice. It sounds great to me. Lets face it we all have soft spots for old KN’s and I wager I am not the only one who likes the KN2000, the first major keyboard made by any manufacturer. Kind regards to all. Joe.
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#62516 - 10/07/05 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by Phil Lynch: posted by BEBOP: "SHAME ON ME"
Well, where do I start with this post, first I will say it’s everyone to their own taste, to be fair Bebop has not rubbished Technics! He has always praised the KN series! If he wants to purchase a Tyros 2 then, why not. If when he plays about with it, and does not like it he will surely buy something else! I have myself had over the years, lots of Technics, in 1985 I bought the SX-k250. the 350-500-700. I then bought the KN1000, next the KN2000. I sold that one and bought the KN5000, I sold that one, and bought the KN2000, I sold that and bought the KN6000, I sold that one and bought the KN2000, I sold that and bought and bought the KN7000, I kept that and bought the KN2000, I sold that and bought another KN7000, I now have two KN7000’s. Guess what I bought today??? A KN2000, I will sell one of the KN7000’s, but I have firmly decided I will Never, never again part with the KN2000. which takes me to the point of, “everyone to their own choice” Mine is definitely the KN2000, and will always Remain so. No use saying to me it’s old hat, to you maybe, but it’s my decision And my choice. It sounds great to me. Lets face it we all have soft spots for old KN’s and I wager I am not the only one who likes the KN2000, the first major keyboard made by any manufacturer. Kind regards to all. Joe. Hi Phil, You certainly don't fall into the non adventurous category. It would appear you, like the majority, are always looking for something better even if you always seem to go back to your old favourite instrument. No doubt you'll keep searching and one day who knows maybe you'll fall in love with Tyros 2 or 3? It's those that don't search that I feel miss out on so much. Kind regards Peter
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#62517 - 10/07/05 12:23 PM
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Ho folks ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/smile.gif) Maybe this is more a matter of "don't be so high on the horse and yell: Heeyy, see what I have done, go out and do the same everybody" sort of thing? Maybe a more humble way, like "I'm very hopeful to the features of the new Tyros2 and decided to buy one to find out" would do better. Myself, I'm still happy with my good old KN5000 and other stuff I have to play on and have fun with here, and even if I like to explore new things, it's not a big deal for me to be the very first to have anything at all. Technics or not doesent matter, there will always be something new to replace the winner of today, Tyros2 will probably be this years hit, but next year, who knows? That's the way it is, it's the nature of evolution. ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/smile.gif) Have fun, and happy playing everybody. ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif) Cheers GJ
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#62525 - 10/08/05 04:18 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gunnar Jonny: [B] so I don't think anyone would not say congrats, rather wait to do it until there is some reality before join the halleluhja choir. Happy playing, whatever we play on. ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/smile.gif) GJ Well it'a bit negative GJ, to only congratulate somebody on their new toy once it's been proved a massive winner. Everyday we congratulate somebody because they've taken the plunge, but we don't know if it will work out, for instance: When someone gets married we congratulate them, but they could be divorced in a year! nobody says i'll congratulate you both in 10 years once I know your marriage will work. When somebody gets a new high class job we congratulate them now, not when they've held the job down for 5 years and they are a proved high flying executive. Do you honestly believe GJ that those members who at the moment say "I couldn't care less what you've bought" might one day (if Tyros 2 proves to be a big winner) then offer their congratulations on a wise choice!!! If you believe that you'll believe anything. If the outcome is unknown I always say " Congratulations and good luck" Kind regards Peter
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#62535 - 10/08/05 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by BEBOP: Thanks to those of you that posted positive posts, and to those that are stuck in their little ruts, I feel sad for you. I have been a business man all my life manufacturing machinery in the Million dollar plus range. Had I not of been progressive, I would still be manufacturing the first machine I ever brought out in 1959 and/or living in the poor house and unable to afford any kind of a keyboard. Keep on Keeping on as the World continues to spin. It doesnt mean squat what other people thing about your motivations. Let them squirm in their own little ruts, Best to all the rest of you, BEBOP PS to NIGEL: Free to edit if you feel it is necessary, Bill Good for you Bill,I'm just Jealous.I'm with you,but I bought the PSR3000,love it,plus I love my Kn6000.#1 for me,If wife was working,which she said no way,I probably would have my House full of Keyboard,I do play all 3 of them.If i could afford the Tyro2,I would go for it.But I look at it this way there will always be a Tyros2,3,4,5,6,.but no KN8000,bummer.Enjoy.Let me know when you get it and How you like it? You got my Email.I think I read one person has it and he Loves it.Have a Good one.Friend Ron
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#62541 - 10/09/05 04:40 AM
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Originally posted by Bob Hendershot: Nigel, it seems to me that it's about time to lock this unfortunate thread, and we can get back to more pleasant and productive dialog. I'm not sure that close the tread is any good solution. We had enough deleting members posts and closing treads in the past, and as most of us probably remember, we had some quite hot discussions regarding censorship etc. in the past. Originally posted by Peter Lowden: It's obvious that other keyboards will be mentioned here and I think you're right in time Yamaha will talked about as much as Technics if not more. My hope is that those that who only want to discuss Technics keyboards could just ignore, and not disrupt the threads about other keyboards. Yes of course other keyboards have been and always will be discussed, compared to eachother etc. But as long as SZ already have both Yamaha and also the Gen.Arr. forums, it is maybe a idea not to make all the forums like a "lookalike mixture" of everything. When I enter the Ketron forum, I expect that it's Ketron that's about, not advertising or tell everybody to buy other keyboardbrand because I do so myself. If so, why not have everything on Gen.Arr. part of the SZ? Happy playing ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/smile.gif) GJ
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#62543 - 10/09/05 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by Phil Lynch: posted by BEBOP: "SHAME ON ME"
Well, where do I start with this post, first I will say it’s everyone to their own taste, to be fair Bebop has not rubbished Technics! He has always praised the KN series! If he wants to purchase a Tyros 2 then, why not. If when he plays about with it, and does not like it he will surely buy something else! I have myself had over the years, lots of Technics, in 1985 I bought the SX-k250. the 350-500-700. I then bought the KN1000, next the KN2000. I sold that one and bought the KN5000, I sold that one, and bought the KN2000, I sold that and bought the KN6000, I sold that one and bought the KN2000, I sold that and bought and bought the KN7000, I kept that and bought the KN2000, I sold that and bought another KN7000, I now have two KN7000’s. Guess what I bought today??? A KN2000, I will sell one of the KN7000’s, but I have firmly decided I will Never, never again part with the KN2000. which takes me to the point of, “everyone to their own choice” Mine is definitely the KN2000, and will always Remain so. No use saying to me it’s old hat, to you maybe, but it’s my decision And my choice. It sounds great to me. Lets face it we all have soft spots for old KN’s and I wager I am not the only one who likes the KN2000, the first major keyboard made by any manufacturer. Kind regards to all. Joe. Hi Plil, What was (is)special about the KN2000? Surely the KN7000 has all that the 2000 had and much much more.Personaly I'm sticking to my KN7000 because I think it is the BEST keyboard that has been produced in recent years,so call me anold "stick in the mud if you like" Derek Munson
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#62544 - 10/09/05 08:11 AM
Re: SHAME ON ME
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Originally posted by Phil Lynch: posted by BEBOP: "SHAME ON ME"
Well, where do I start with this post, first I will say it’s everyone to their own taste, to be fair Bebop has not rubbished Technics! He has always praised the KN series! If he wants to purchase a Tyros 2 then, why not. If when he plays about with it, and does not like it he will surely buy something else! I have myself had over the years, lots of Technics, in 1985 I bought the SX-k250. the 350-500-700. I then bought the KN1000, next the KN2000. I sold that one and bought the KN5000, I sold that one, and bought the KN2000, I sold that and bought the KN6000, I sold that one and bought the KN2000, I sold that and bought and bought the KN7000, I kept that and bought the KN2000, I sold that and bought another KN7000, I now have two KN7000’s. Guess what I bought today??? A KN2000, I will sell one of the KN7000’s, but I have firmly decided I will Never, never again part with the KN2000. which takes me to the point of, “everyone to their own choice” Mine is definitely the KN2000, and will always Remain so. No use saying to me it’s old hat, to you maybe, but it’s my decision And my choice. It sounds great to me. Lets face it we all have soft spots for old KN’s and I wager I am not the only one who likes the KN2000, the first major keyboard made by any manufacturer. Kind regards to all. Joe. Hi Plil, What was (is)special about the KN2000? Surely the KN7000 has all that the 2000 had and much much more.Personaly I'm sticking to my KN7000 because I think it is the BEST keyboard that has been produced in recent years,so call me anold "stick in the mud if you like" Derek Munson
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#62547 - 10/09/05 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by Peter Lowden: ........ The intention of Technicsplayer and Johnnie C is quite clearly to disrupt any thread that does not interest them, or is not about Technics keyboards, I suppose it would help just to ignore them and their childish argumentative comments.
That's about all you can do, or go look at other threads and hope the pair of them are occupied arguing with someone somewhere else on the Technics forum. I'm not sure if I get what you say here right. Because reading posts and being member of several forums through the years, (both here and at technote old & new or wherever), I most say that the contribution from the gentlemen you mention here has always been excellent and very helpful for the users of Technics and other keyboards. It also look like that it's not just Alec, but Walt, Joan, RC, Jack and myself who more or less have made exactly the same points in the tread here, so far from being disruptive they give valid points about this kind of bragging. Happy playing ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/smile.gif) GJ
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#62552 - 10/09/05 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by church: Originally posted by BEBOP: [b]Thanks to those of you that posted positive posts, and to those that are stuck in their little ruts, I feel sad for you. I have been a business man all my life manufacturing machinery in the Million dollar plus range. Had I not of been progressive, I would still be manufacturing the first machine I ever brought out in 1959 and/or living in the poor house and unable to afford any kind of a keyboard. Keep on Keeping on as the World continues to spin. It doesnt mean squat what other people thing about your motivations. Let them squirm in their own little ruts, Best to all the rest of you, BEBOP PS to NIGEL: Free to edit if you feel it is necessary, Bill Good for you Bill,I'm just Jealous.I'm with you,but I bought the PSR3000,love it,plus I love my Kn6000.#1 for me,If wife was working,which she said no way,I probably would have my House full of Keyboard,I do play all 3 of them.If i could afford the Tyro2,I would go for it.But I look at it this way there will always be a Tyros2,3,4,5,6,.but no KN8000,bummer.Enjoy.Let me know when you get it and How you like it? You got my Email.I think I read one person has it and he Loves it.Have a Good one.Friend Ron
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#62554 - 10/09/05 11:33 AM
Re: SHAME ON ME
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Originally posted by kn7: "Shame on them for their behaviour
Peter"
LOOK WHO'S TALKING!!!
To speak disparagingly of technicsplayer is and should be an insult to ALL Technics members on the forum. He has contributed sooooooooo much over the years to players. His knowledge and generosity is and has been beyond reproach.
I have not visited the forum for over a year until recently but realized in the beginning what an ego Bebop has had. Bebop, you have been a contributor to this forum but I have felt ego was always behind whatever you did. To prove my point, you are trying to go out with a bang by pushing, pushing, pushing your new toy with the current posts.
The truth of the matter, Peter - you are just having fun degrading members and encouraging Bebop's ego. Neither of you have answered my post as to what you are looking for in the Tyros 2 that isn't already in the KNs. The fact is, you BOTH DON'T KNOW - only that it is NEW and want to be the first kid on the block to have one. Just to correct you on one thing, I want to learn about the Tyros 2 I own Tyros 1 already. I've looked recently at Korg, Wersi, and Roland instruments, and I've never bought an instrument in the first 3 months of it's release. Your view of Technicsplayer is not mine sorry along with Johnnie C I wouldn't give either the time of day, their attitude on this forum is about as low as it comes. Kind regards Peter
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#62555 - 10/09/05 12:21 PM
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You really set the spotlight on something very true here kn7, and those who have been in the forums since i.e. Technote days, know what got the speed up to close the door there. But Peter, why don't you answer the points about "bragging" that several members have made here, I think maybe Alec has a point because you ignore the subject pointed out and just call people by names now. At least Alec stands like a man, maybe a little 'forthright' sure, but makes his position known to all in public, you just run away from the subject when it not suits anymore and just call names like a little child in other treads before. Originally posted by BEBOP: You should see all the emails I get.... That's good for you Bill, plenty e-mails find others inbox than talking about your posts too ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif) But speaking about making fuzz on forum, that was not so very long ago since someone else really did that, remember, then no more moderator, and looking longer backwards...... ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif) To throw stones if inside in a glasshouse is not very wise. Anyway, I think most people reading the posts clearly are able to see what's really going on, and I think I'll rest my case here. Happy playing & posting ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/smile.gif) GJ [This message has been edited by Gunnar Jonny (edited 10-09-2005).]
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#62556 - 10/09/05 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Gunnar Jonny: You really set the spotlight on something very true here kn7, and those who have been in the forums since i.e. Technote days, know what got the speed up to close the door there.
[b]But Peter, why don't you answer the points about "bragging" that several members have made here, I think maybe Alec has a good point, because you totally ignore the subject stated out and just call people by names now. That's good for you Bill, but e-mails find others inbox than yours too ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif) But speaking about making fuzz on forum, that was not so very long time ago since someone else really did that too, remember, and looking longer backwards...... ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif) To throw stones if inside in a glasshouse is not very wise I guess. Anyway, I think most people clearly are able to see what's really going on, and I'll rest my case here. Happy playing & posting ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/smile.gif) GJ[/B] Surely you don't think I come to the Technics forum to get involved with debates on someone bragging. Some might want to be Judge and Jury, but I don't (better things to do) Kind regards Peter
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