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#62705 - 02/26/06 11:12 AM
Re: JOINING VARIATIONS TOGETHER-CAN IT BE DONE?
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Correct John, good thinking; basicly I did it as you described. 1. I copied the desired styles to a disc. 2. Used 'COPY A SINGLE COMPOSER' to choose a specific intro/fill 3. Loaded it to COMPOSER-MEMORY (VAR1, VAR2 etc.) 4. Then record a song with the VAR1, VAR2 changements 5. Converted it into SMF (NX) 6. Using that sequence I deleted the not wanted measures 7. Then 'SEQUENCER TO COMPOSER' copy and you have one composerstyle-variation, 8. and some tweaking to do maybe pfeeewwww ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/rolleyes.gif) Hope you love your keyboard still afterwards ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/biggrin.gif) Cees ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif) [This message has been edited by cees (edited 02-26-2006).]
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#62707 - 02/26/06 03:15 PM
Re: JOINING VARIATIONS TOGETHER-CAN IT BE DONE?
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I covered this type of composer editing many years ago in the 6000 book, over several chapters step by step with many examples, for example:
First insert 4 new measures on to the end of the pattern, then copy the first 4 measures into the last 4 measures. Then edit the last 4 measures to make them different to the first 4 measures to make a brand new 8 measure pattern.
Now you could take an entirely new pattern track from the easy composer library for example, save it in composer C and copy the track from composer C to a single track, say accomp 5, of composer A making a new variation, using page 2 of the copy. Delete the first 4 measures of the new track leaving the new accompaniment playing for measures 5 to 8 for the new pattern, making the second half of the 8 measure pattern different to the first half.
Now if you want to add a new variation or fills on to the end of an existing variation it can be done on page 2 by copying track by track but only from within the composer so if you use accomp5 to input a new track copied in from composer B or C, you then copy the relevant measures to measures 5 to 8 of another accomp track in composer A, but accomp 5 then cannot be used in the same way without further complication of using further composers B and C because it has been used as the transfer path.
So you use the sequencer, play or step record one 4 measure variation followed by the other in C major, then APC to SMF convert all 8 tracks, then SEQ to composer copy the 8 measures. A new 8 measure composer of exactly what you require!
The disadvantage of the sequencer method is you lose the balance information, so just adjust the internal composer balances to their previous levels etc in the Composer Part Setting page, and possibly any dsps or digital effects etc.
This was described in the book putting automatic fills within the composer pattern so you don't have to press a fill button, but is just as relevant for another variation.
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#62708 - 02/26/06 07:23 PM
Re: JOINING VARIATIONS TOGETHER-CAN IT BE DONE?
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Registered: 10/02/05
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Thanks, guys. Glad you surfaced, Alec. Unfortunately, I don't have your book. Since I understand it is no longer available, I had always hoped the keyboard guru would come riding in on a white horse and hand me an autographed copy. ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/smile.gif) Fat chance. ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/frown.gif) Guys, I'm getting nowhere. Here is what I did: I brought up Easy Record and recorded Variation 1 and Variation 2 in SEQUENCER. I then went to SEQ TO COMPOSER COPY and this is where I'm lost. I changed the amount of measures to 8 on the left side of the screen, since I recorded 8. I see the names of parts that are in COMPOSER on the right but I don't know what to assign to what track. I did what I thought might work by putting DRUM1 to Track 1, DRUM2 to Track 2, and ACCOMP5 to what I thought would be Track 3 and worked my way up with the rest. I then pressed OK. Going to COMPOSER, I hear nothing on any track. Alec, your first paragraph is what I said I did in my top post. I find that you don't have to copy the last 4 measures when you increase the variation to 8. It automatically repeats the 4 measures starting in measure 5. Copying the same variations in Memory B or C to make changes in Memory A, I have missed your point. I tried it. Anytime I try to add a variation to another, I get the same amount of measures. Too bad it reverts to the measures you copy. I wish one could keep whatever is assigned in the pattern to copy to. I hope I have made myself clear as to what I am doing wrong. Why am I not getting any sound in COMPOSER when I supposedly have copied the tracks from SEQUENCER? It seems to accept what I have done when I press OK. It immediately takes me into COMPOSER and I see the beats moving but no sound. The volume of tracks are up. Sorry this thick head isn't getting it. ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/redface.gif)
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#62710 - 02/26/06 10:12 PM
Re: JOINING VARIATIONS TOGETHER-CAN IT BE DONE?
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Registered: 05/01/03
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Loc: Birmingham, England
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Hi,
Is it just possible, that if you tell us 'WHY' you want to do this, and 'HOW' you intend to use it, more of us might be able to assist. ?
The difference between sequencing and actual 'live' playing, is such, that the technique of doing something, changes from one circumstance to another. !! - So, why not let us know precisely what you intend doing with this piece of wizardry. - Cheers,
Colin.
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