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#62792 - 01/07/04 04:57 AM
Re: Track Merge
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Hi Chuck, I will try to give you a bit understanding about your 'problem'. At first: one must realise that the sequencer (as the word 'sequence' says itself) reads the data from 1 to ....(end). Each data has his own meaning as: Data1: do that (eg. play a pianosound) Data2: do that (e.g. play the C-note) Data3: do that (eg. play the G-note) Data4: do that (eg. play a violin-sound) Data5: do that (e.g. set the effect on) etc. etc. The best example is to look in the sequencer menu in Record & Edit and than Step Recording. When you let roll along the cursor you will see that each 'asterix' means something. Mostly it is a note-data. It could be other data, like sounddata (when you have entered a new sound) or Pitchbend-data (when you use the pitchbendwheel or Effectdata etc. So when the song/track is started the keyboard reads and execute each data in a sequence. When you have made in track 1 a sequence (and at the beginning the sound is entered as piano), that track can be heared as a pianotrack (unless somewhere you have entered a new sound) When you have made in track 2 another sequence (eg. a violin) you will hear all the track long the violin. If you merge those tracks, you have a problem. It is a new sequence and the Operating System reads the data in sequence and probably on measure 1 he finds a piano almost directly follows by a violin. So this track only let you hear the last data (the violin). If you whish to repair that, it only can be done manually. You have to enter the sounds in each note that has to produce a certain instrument, you can imagine a thought job. So maybe it is simplier to maintain the two tracks (you have 16 tracks). Hope I clearify the principle of sequencing, success, Cees ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif)
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#62798 - 01/07/04 11:18 AM
Re: Track Merge
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Not only for midi, Larry. TMO it is too handy in practical use to make for instance a own rhythm/style. In this case one could use multitracking in an effective way. As an example. Suppose you want to have a nice accomp1-rhytm with a guitar. You could work as follows (eg. all in 2 measures). Track 1: record a simple lead-melody Track 2: add some notes Track 3: add another single note Track 4: just another single note. If all is OK than merge all together and copy the 2-measured sequence to the composer to finish. The benefits in this way are that, in case of working in one track one can easier delete, change the single notes in track x etc. etc. Especially for drumtracks it could be a effective way to compose. (unless one uses specific software) Cees ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif)
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#62799 - 01/07/04 11:21 AM
Re: Track Merge
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Hi Larry,
Not necessarily used for only midi files,,,I use the kn7000 sequencer when recording music and save as a technics file....rarely though would I need to merge tracks; for example say I record track 7 and 8, which may be a piano sound but for only one musical staff line, I may have one tracked panned left and another right for more stereo seperation....if I ran out of tracks and wanted to add a 17th, I could merge 7 and 8 which would allow me to sequence another track,,,,have only ran into this problem once or twice as 16 tracks is usually plenty..plus audio data on top of that!
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#62800 - 01/07/04 02:11 PM
Re: Track Merge
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Thanks for the info. But in regards to Chuck's original question concerning merging track 1 and track 2, which is Right 1, and Right 2 Sounds, there would be no point in merging these two tracks in relation with a Technics File because.... I always thought that if you merge 2 tracks (with different parts)into one, only one of those trcks will be merged into the destination track Example: If you try to merge: Track 1 (Right Sound 1) with Track 2 (Right Sound 2) and merge both to Track 14 Only Track 1 will be included in Track 14, because Track 1 was the upper source track on the Track Merge Screen. Thus the new track is assigned the same part as the upper track. So why do that? Confused yet ? Well kinda .. ------------------ Larry Hawk Technics For All
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#62801 - 01/07/04 02:19 PM
Re: Track Merge
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6020
Loc: NSW,Australia
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Hi, I've had use for the merge function for pad creation. I normally create pads ( & styles) from midifiles and so I use the kn sequencer. As pads 5 & 6 only have 1 instrument track & 1 chord track, I've had to mix 2 tracks together to create 1.
Possibly another use might be if creating a complicated drum track ( from scratch) if doing multi track recording in the kn.
A question was asked on the KN7 about Punch In recording ( we weren't sure if the kn had it, but susequently I noticed it does.) From what I understood the member wanted to add extra drums to a drum track using Punch In facilities, but I wasn't sure if the kn did it. Anyway I thought this alternative might be of some help to him.
Possibly another way of using merge function. --------------------------------------- Record your basic track drums ie bass & snare.(ie track 9 ) Then track 8 record your hhats, if it all sounds okay, merge the 2 tracks together to track (track 7), if not just rerecord the hhat track, at least you haven't disturbed your original Bass & Snare track. Now that track 8&9 have been merged into( track 7), record your cymbals on track 8 if all is okay merge track 7&8 to track 9 if you're going to add more drums, OR to track 10 if you've completed your drum recording.
You could virtually build up quite a complicated drum track, by merging drum tracks together. -------------------------------------------- I also convert the odd style using sequencer to style function. The thing that gives me the most grief with a converted style is usually the drum track. Velocities of the drums can be a problem. A drum track played on a psr may not sound right on a kn because the bass drum might end up being drowned out by a hihat etc etc. I recently came across a utility program that separates a drum track ( from a midifile) into separate tracks ie bass drum track 1, snare track 2 etc etc what this allows me now to do is give each of these drum instruments their own midi channel. I save it as a midifile, load it into the kn7 sequencer, adjust the velocities Sequencer Range Edit Velocity Change till I get the the drums sounding right, then I can merge them all back to track 10. I have to do it via Velocity Change Not Via Volume on each of the tracks, because once they're merged back together into track 10 they take on a global volume for the track.
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#62807 - 01/07/04 04:34 PM
Re: Track Merge
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Hi Chuck, I think the reason that you are only hearing one instrument is that at any one time, you can only assign a single sound to a particular track. You cannot have a track assigned to both Sax and Trumpet sounds at the same time ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif) If you have a look at the Mixer page in the sequencer, you will see that each track has a particular single sound assigned to it. If you reverse the assignment of your sounds, ie Sax in RT1 and Trumpet in RT2 and then repeat the operation, you will probably find that both voices are then Sax ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/smile.gif) If this is the case, and I haven't tried it, then it would seem that when you merge the two sounds, the RT1 voice takes precedence. Basically, if you want the two different voices to play together, the simple way to achieve this is to just leave them un-merged. ------------------ Willum [This message has been edited by Bill Norrie (edited 01-08-2004).]
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