Hi Alec

I also asked Phil Leader specfik ablout the "sub" output on the back of the K7. I asked if the sub output ment that the K7 included some kind of active or passiv low pass filter. But as I understood him it have the same functionality ad with the HDSX6 where you can assign certain tracks to the obtional outputs. He also told me that the people from KeySoftservice had been involved in devoloping the SD drive functionality.

Max

Hi Max, that's what one of the Taiyo guys told me, maybe it is just another output then? We shall have to see when we get more detailed information, a lot is obviously still speculation for the moment.

Yes, I saw Roland Schmid, and he is involved in the software for the SD card, but he would not give me any details of what is in store.

I hope that a lot of the SX6 functionality is available in some form, custom lists, alpha sort etc would all be very useful.

LINDOZ !!! .... GREAT to hear from you again .... When I saw Audrey's post I was thinking of some of our friends from the "OLD" technote days and I was wondering what had become of you.... I had come into the forum to ask if anyone had heard from you, or if you were using an alias on this forum, and VOILA !!! there was your message ..... good to have you here, and hope to hear more from you in the future .....
t.

I Can't honestly say that sounds are the most important thing that I consider in a new keyboard,for me it is what is on offer in the whole package including new innovations & at the same time maintaining some of the features that I like & have become used to.
As does time Technology also marches on
& it looks like the KN7000 is going to possess some of this new technology & still maintain some of the features that have developed through from some of the earlier KN machines & not lose sight of the user friendliness that they have become known for.
Such is the competition between in particular Technics & Yamaha that I think it very unlikely that the KN7000 will hit the shops without boasting some new different sounds.I doubt that I will like them all but I am sure that I will like enough to be able to enjoy using them in my music.
Regards
Johnnie

Bud!
I belive we all take your advice with us and not hurry up with this. There will be time for examine the KN7k, and like we say here in Sweden, "we are not sitting in the lake", we have our 6000/6500 which I belive now working fine with the latest ROM update.

Yes thanks we are all keeping fine here, unfortunately without the tulips yet, just crocus, but soon they comes. I´ll be on your E-mail soon.

Bill!
Thanks for your kindly words. I´m sorry for the delay between my writing here on this forum, but I have had so much to do in this days, so you´ll never belive.

There were a lot of people in the Technics showcase (maybe Alec and his friends?) so I could only see parts of the machine, and it seems to me that the floppy was lost. But so much better if not.

Bob!
Well maybe I was wrong (for once), but so they told me and it sounded strange in my ears in this days. I also have had note loss problems in some songs. Very frustrating!

Larry!
Seems that we are roughly of the same opinion in what changes we need. But as we see, others has another priority in this things.

Alain!
I have never used the USB connection on the HDSX6. But you have maybe read Alecs contribution above?`

Gunnar!
Ska försöka hålla mig här i fortsättningen. Läser ofta dina inlägg och är lite avundsjuk på din engelska grammatik. Du skriver ofta bättre än de infödda.

Well Gunnar, I hope so too. Maybe the Japaneses cogwheel now began to spin!

Alec!
I´m reading quite a lot and take part of what you are writing in the topics. I´m very satisfied with my Motif, without any comparison with the KN6000, the appel vs pear comparing syndrome you know.

I was i Frankfurt the two last days with the dealers, and then the first day for the public.

Yes I maybe talk with the wrong people? I was there due to my interest in recording connections, and it was too much to look at in this few days. I only heard the KN7k for about 15 minutes, together with two guys from the Behringer company. I couldn´t see any floppy, but there was a lot of people in front, so I maybe missed it, or whas it maybe demounted on this prototype?

I interpreted the sub out as an output for some mixed tracks, so now we can have a clic for a drummer, for example.
I thought that the USB always had the same standard? But you are the computer expert, so you are presumably right. Anyway, the USB is a rather slow connection, I´ve been told. But so they said of the MIDI too...
I understand that the KN7k is familiar with WAV and WMA files and the split of the DSP. But is there any reverb in the DSP sector?

I will buy your thoughts around the soundcards, but are you sure that no more processing will became thru the card?

JvG!
I don´t know what kind of sampler you use, but I wouldn´t call the soloist sounds, crappy. On the contrary, some of them are really good. But in some ways the KN3000 had many good sounds. The Rocksaxophone was exellent, and the drum kits was better than those in the KN6000, in my opinion.

As I understand, has the memory in KN7k increased by over 30%, but as I said before, whats up from Yamaha and Roland?

Dutch Player!
Like you, I have complete my home studio with, in my case, a Yamaha Motif. But I have no doubt of using KN6000 in recording, depending on what kind of music you want, of course.

Max!
Your describe of the sub out functions was similar like I´ve been told.

Tony!
Well the rumor of my death is considerably exaggerated, anywayt hanks for your thoughtfullness, it´s warming.

Johnnie!
Well, we will wait and see what´s coming up!

Rgd
Lindoz




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Lindoz,
Great to see you here at Synthzone. Really missed seeing your posts since the good ol Technics Canada days. Your knowledge and expertise will be greatly appreciated.

Scott http://scottyee.com

Oh don't get me wrong, some of the Soloist sounds are not bad at all. Some OTOH are not, for example I think the soloist violin is horrible.

And since I've gotten used to high quality sounds (e.g. Quantum Leap Brass series, to name just one) I feel that Technics should have made the attempt to upgrade most or all of the acoustic sounds to "soloist" quality. That's why I had hoped the KN7000 would have a built-in sampler, one could then always add higher quality sounds when and where you want.

How much sample rom memory does the KK6500 have anyway? 32 MB? The new Yamaha Tyros apparently has 96 megabytes of wave rom.

Hi Lindoz,
I was there on the first 2 days, so missed you

The floppy was there because I had a close up look. As I understood it most, if not all the sounds in the demo were new samples in the 7000.

However I think I was fed a line on the sub out, since Max talked to Phil Leader, and he is the man who should know, so the sub maybe is an assignable mono or stereo output loop for external processors and other uses.

Phil told me the 7000 was 128 poly.

It is possible the usb can process midi as well as audio - no more host socket?

I use an external usb soundcard. This takes the critical analogue to digital converters away from the laptop and gives superb quality. The 44 kHz digital wave file is output down the usb and appears as a virtual driver in Sound Forge etc. So instead of recording the analogue signal, you record the digital waveform direct. Then all editing is done digitally on the laptop with no analogue stage to be degraded in noise or distortion, the ideal scenario.

I understand that the 7000 will output the final audio signal as a wave file down the usb. Therefore the cd track can be transferred to the pc with no analogue signal processed in the pc at all. This will be a huge advantage to most owners with basic 'soundblaster clone' type soundcards in their pcs.

The present usb is easily fast enough for midi and cd quality audio. I like usb a lot, no IRQ conflicts, no driver conflicts, no rebooting, its got to be the way to go. The next usb version is considerably faster than firewire, and will easily do many multitrack 96 kHz audio.

Really good to hear from you again, Lindoz

The problem with incorporating samplers and wanting huge wave roms is that the price has to increase too. I used to say for years that technics should incorporate a sampler. After using the 9000 and 9000pro, now I'm not so sure.

The Kn6000 had 32 MB of wave rom, same as the psr9000. The 6500 has 48 MB of wave rom, same as the 9000pro. The 6500 with both cards has 80 MB of wave rom.

Is it really reasonable to try and compare the previous generation model of one manufacturer with the not yet finalised next generation model from another?

The Tyros was provisionally announced at 'around' 96 MB of wave rom at Frankfurt. If the 9000 is anything to go by, there must be some expansion available too, maybe ram, maybe flash, we don't know yet. The 7000 'may' be 64 MB but 'may' have space for 4 expansion cards, this 'may' be an additional 64MB, we don't know yet.

It is all academic since what matters is whether the sounds suit you personally, the numbers are of interest only to people who read brochures rather than play.

Memory is cheap, incorporating sampling functions is not that difficult. Though I wasn't too impressed with the 9000pro's functions when I borrowed one for a couple of days. Then again, I own the Yamaha A5000 sampler which isn't that user-friendly either.



Not really IMO, those who dabble in the world of samplers are bound to ask these kind of questions. I have no intention of buying a keyboard which overall sounds much like its predecessor.

That said, I'll definitely be visiting my dealer for some first-hand experience when the 7000 arrives.

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