I have twenty registrations with custom styles that I want to save in sequential order. My "Favorites" folder is used for other things. My "Panel Memory" slots will retain the instruments, tempo etc, but will not change to the correct rythm,eventhough I am in Etxended Save with everything on. I presume this is because a new custom rythm has to be loaded for each song. I have other sets stored in "Panel Memory', and it works fine, but they are internal styles.

What options to I have ? I have never used " Sd Song Medley". I made up a user list, and can't get it to changs "Songs", which are styles. Alec's book says to press "Skip". I do and it says "No File".

I hate to go back to a floppy. I have USB thumbdrives. Can It be saved there ?

I had one thought. I could use my old 8MB SD card. That way I would have 360 new "Favorites" to work with.

some more info needed are any of the styles in different ALL custom loads? In other words are all the custom styles in place under the custom button or do you need to load another custom section for some of the registration banks? Song medley is exactly that - for songs, no songs, no function.

Assuming the styles are in different all custom files, you just save the individual styles in single custom format on the sd card, then load the single customs back in the order you want them 1 to 20 in the custom section overwriting whatever else is there. This is described in 3.04, and there are blank custom(s) on the cd to make a neat job of any unused slots left over. Then all the styles you need are in place in a single load.

Assuming the registrations are one bank to a song you can now use page 3 of the load page to load the registration banks (A to 10) one at a time in the order you wish to play. This is described in 3.07. Now go through each panel memory saving each pointing to the custom slot 1 to 20 containing the correct pattern for that registration.

Now do a normal save but INCLUDING the all custom section on page 2 (3.02 and 3.03). Now when you load this file the setups will be in the order you wish just by pressing the panel memory bank button with the next multiple set of custom/panel memories automatically available in the correct order just by holding the SD button down.

Naturally if the panel memory banks already point to a specific custom slot you can save time by loading the appropriate single custom pattern to that slot, so those panel memories will not require alteration - this is assuming the banks all do not require custom position 1 !

I will have to explain in layman's terms.

I came by an SD card filled with many custom styles. I did an association, and put titles and panels to them. I resaved them to another SD. All of rhythms are in the "Memory" slot, next to "Custom",usually "A".

I tried to save to banks 1,2,3, 8 songs to a bank . The first one would save , but would stay on the same rhythm for the next song, although the panel was right in all other respects.

In rereading the instructions, I take it I should import all styles that come up in composer memory, to custom memory 1-20, in the order that the songs are to be played. This would allow panel memory to simply "point" to the appropriate slot without reloading every custom. This can be done provided I can get it from composer memory to custom memory, as 95 % of the songs do not engage custom at all.

Whether a song has to load, or not is secondary to having the correct rhythm. As I said, the favorites work fine, but there is only one set per card.

I appreciate your comments.
Bernie

Hi Bernie, you threw me referring to custom styles which aren't in fact in the custom section but now in the composer.

Yes, you can copy from composer to custom to have 20 styles available in one go, or keep the composers and just load again after each set of 3 styles in the composer. If the styles are all in composer A it means loading after each style unless you proceed as described below.

I'm still not clear what the problem is but if you have programmed many panel memory banks expecting new rhythms, then the composer needs re-loading to get the new rhythm, otherwise you just have the same old rhythm in composer A - is this a correct interpretation of the problem? You can get 3 rhythms in composer A, B, C again using the single load method of section 3.07 (for composer BANK) before needing reloading, or use the custom section to get 20 rhythms in one go as in the previous post. It is then just a question of making sure the relevant panel memory is pointing to the correct slot either composer or custom with the required rhythm.

Yes, that is the problem. When I saved them(full extended save,except all custom). I had expected composer would be saved along with panel reg. When I originally saved them to SD with extended save, they load with no problem. Now , I load the file from SD, and press the "set" button to put it in Bank 1,slot 1 eg. The new composer A will not come up.

At our last Jam one of our members was storing songs in the Panel Memory Banks and had problems. The confusion was not understanding what the Composer, Panel Memory (1-8) and Panel Memory Banks will do.

Composer stores songs (styles) up to 3 using ABC.

Panel Memory (1-8) stores songs (styles)located in Composer ABC or the 7000 on board styles along with the associated sounds that are stored in the Panel Memory Banks ABC.

Custom will store 20 songs (60 if using Composer ABC)including the style, Panel Memory and associated sounds in the Panel Memory Banks.

This is my understanding and difficult to explain.

Fran in SC

Hi Fran
I guess that is my problem. 1-8 will not load new composer styles. I guess they have to be in custom 1-20, or composer ABC. So I either have to try to get them in custom, one by one, or not use panel mem 1-8.

Everything seems to be fine in ABC (3.08). I can put my 20 there, and save to SD(I think).

Back to square one

Bernie - Can you wait till March 2007 and Bill and I will have a look at what you are trying to do. You are right in that it is almost impossible to explain what you've got; what you've done so far; and what you want to do in sufficient detail using a forum like this or e-mail or even writing a letter...
Best wishes
Rog

Thanks Rog
I've about got it. It's all in moving data from composer memory to custom.

I think it's perfectly possible to solve a problem in a forum as has been proved a million times in the past. If multiple panel memories require multiple composers, then because there are more panel memories than composers you need to store different composers in the custom section. Thus load the different composers and copy to custom slots 1 to 20. Then load the prepared multiple panel memories and select each and resave pointing to the matching rhythm in the custom section slot instead of the composer. Then save panel memories PLUS all custom on page 2 save.

Re 'Perfectly possible to solve a problem in a forum'
I'm sure you're right Alec providing there is absolute lucidity in all the communications..I guess you will know the old story about 'send reinforcements we are going to advance' becoming 'send three and fourpence we're going to a dance'...

Got it. One last question; I load a song and it loads a new style into composer memory. At that point, how do I get it into custom.

Bernie,

Program Menus - Composer - Custom Style Copy - Select memory bank and Custom Style slot (1-20). Also works in reverse.

Say hi to the bride.

Fran in SC

for more advanced planning, consider this:

If you put your dance SETS into custom then put the matching panel memories in banks 1 to 10 not A to C, and save on page 2 with panel switched to ALL as well as with all custom YES. If you leave bank 1 active when saving that will come up on load ready to play as normal. Now save your different SETS in say a "set" sd folder, and in other folders labelled say "A to D", "E to H" by song title or whatever etc save the individual songs saved in composer and panel memory A (or B or C).

Now after loading a set of say 20 songs (which takes a relatively long time since involves custom) if you get a mid set request for another song not in that set, you can load that individual song in a second from the composer version, and afterwards pick up and go back to the rest of the set, because your custom and panel banks 1 to 10 will not have been altered at all by any of the the new individual song loads.

Thus your sets remain in effect as presets while you can load any other songs on top without affecting them, as explained in 3.08.

Clever Alec, very clever as usual.

Fran in SC

I want to thank everyone. You will be happy to know that I not only solved my problem, but learned something new. It is like everything else, you do it once or twice, and it is a piece of cake.

Great tip, Alec. I will use it for sure.

you're very welcome

I've read this posting with great interest as I too used to have these problems. How did I deal with it?

Simple - I purchased Fred Mellink's KN SD Explorer Tool which allows you to mix and match from any amount of SD Cards in any order you wish, using 'drag & drop' (Windows style) and the bonus is you can then print out an Index of your latest compilations.

I save everything to SD card and work from there. The SD card is loaded and ready for use by the time I have turned over my music page.

I cannot stress too much how useful this tool is.

Aud (U.K.)

Right you are Aud. Anyone owning a 7000 should have that tool.

Fran in SC

Fred's tool is most certainly useful but I fail to see the relevance here, since the solution involves manipulating files internally in the keyboard and re-saving, just re-arranging files on an SD card cannot help.

Hi Aud
Yes, I use Fred's program to do that very thing. I,however, was glad to learn more about working with composer(finally), and the advantage is instant change of song without loading time.

Bernie

Hi all,

Thanks to Alec's book, I have custom slots 1-20 filled with my most used styles & saved to an SD card. I also have a number of composer style set-up's (A-B-C) saved as various songs on the same SD card. These are all saved with their own 10 panel memories. When i require a style that is not in custom slots 1-20, it is a simple matter of loading the required composer song & in no time I am ready to play using the new style c/w 10 panel memories, & I still have the 20 custom styles to select from simply by pressing the bank button & selecting the required style.

With this set-up, I always have 23 different useable styles loaded at any one time. This system works like a dream for me & I can highly recommend it

Yours in Music,
Alan

Alan,

You've a great routine. Would you mind telling us what size SD Card(s) you use?

Thanks!

Audrey

Hi Audrey,

I'm using a 64MB card at present with a back-up card of 32MB. While I have 23 of my most used custom /composer styles loaded at any one time, it is only possible to use 13 banks (10 + A B C)at one time. Each of these banks consist of 1 style + 10 panel memories.

Should I need to use my other styles ( saved as A B C c/w their 10 panel memories each), they are then loaded from their song positions on the SD card. While I correctly call them "songs" on the SD card they are not in fact "tunes" as such.

Yours in Music

Alan