Hi Audrey,

Thanks for what you suggested. I am running late but am trying to understand your statement of saving everything to the Music Stylist. Bringing it up on the keyboard, I only see all the various styles, tempos, etc. that are in the keyboard that can be used to play whatever style of music. Keep in mind, I do not use styles in the keyboard. I don’t see where I can save a custom style of mine. From what you said, it seems I can do that. I don’t see anywhere on the pages a place to save a special custom style or any style. Hopefully, you will clear this up for me. I will check further in the manual.

Scott

Scott, It is important we keep the categories of playing live, “no midi files” and using sequences separate.
One of the hardest lessons I had to learn is in saving all panel memories instead of three. After many hours of perfecting 10 banks and having them just right I saved three instead of all -- I lost all my work, never did that again.
I know this may bring different opinions but using midi files with a Kn7000 or any KN product leaves much to be desired. My opinion is that the KN7000 has been one of the best keyboards if you are playing live. If your are using the keyboard for sequences – it can be done, but it will take a lot of time to get each sequence right and then place it where you can call it up.

Here in south Florida we had a group of seven players who used the Kn7000, they all decided not to use the keyboard for midi files. Why, there are so many other friendly ways to work with midi files. My friend Mike, a sax player downloads the free midi files then recreates them as Technics midi files – and then records them onto a Mimi Disk player. When I find that I want to use a sequence I use my lap top. The Vanbasco program allow me to change the pitch, tempo, volume and cut some of the unwanted channels. It then keeps the changes in memory. Some have added to the lap top to improve the sound, Bernie has a sound improvement and also uses a SD sound module at times – fantastic sound.

There are many pros that use midi players, they are several steps up from the lap top. If I were saving sequences I would save performance each time period.

Why is Yamaha so popular? One of the reasons is that it is very friendly when using midi files. I record a song, put it on my memory stick load the song into the PC and send it out – the keyboard records everything in midi format. When playing a sequence I can mark four places and the keyboard will repeat to those [places – or I can select a section of the song and it will keep repeating it. The midi file players do even more.

I don’t know if I am helping here – The value of the KN7000, in my opinion is live playing. If you do not mind the extensive work to create or edit a free download file then your KN7000 will and can do the job. My friend’s sequences sound so real when he is done with them that the question he gets most often is –Is that a recording? It takes him three to four full days to complete a good midi file/sequence. (In Technics format)

Scott, is any of this helping you?
John C.

I just reread your Post Scott – Clear your mind and I do not mean that disrespectfully, and listen to Bob. This is not difficult, it may be just different from where you are heading.

Every sequence has certain information/data –When you select Performace when saving you are done.
It saves all the needed data in the sequence. There are occasions when people record a sequences and break some of the general rules, those sequences will always carry problems.

Scott rethink what we are saying -- If I missed something tell me.

John C.

Hi Audrey - I didn't know that you could save anything to music stylist - your ref: 'if I were you I would save everything to the Music Stylist'
Rog
p.s. Scott - I'll come back to you when I've got more time...

Right now Scott...golly isn't it difficult trying to learn from one another at arms length or in this case several thousand miles of Atlantic Ocean!!!
Your quote:
I still don’t know why it changed all the Panel Memories in RIGHT2 only. How come it didn’t change RIGHT1 and why were all the changes made to BIG BAND BRASS, which I had not used when I made the setting? No one has addressed this when it was the original question.
On the far R/H side of yout KN7000 is a circle containing 3 buttons. Press the one marked 'Customize'. Then select 'Custom Panel Mode' from the screen. 2 choices are offered...panel memory or all panel...page 185 in the manual explains the difference and is no doubt the root of the experience that you went through.
Next - why do I transfer any custom styles to Memory Load bank A...cos custom styles are only resident in your keyboard and found when you press the custom rhythm button; and if someone sends you a new file to try out and it happens to be a series of custom styles then by loading those you effectively wipe out /replace inadvertently your carefully nurtured existing custom files. Once moved to Memory Load Bank A and saved to the SD Card as a tune specific set up then it is always on that SD Card exactly as you want it for playing that number.
However all of this is contrary to the way that you use your KN7000 where to suit your way of doing things you keep sounds seperate from sequences seperate from custom styles. In effect you dip into 3 seperate pots to bring together the latest mix of components to enable you to perform. That's fine - it's just that we are using the operating system in 2 completely different ways to achieve the same end.
Phew...lays back exhausted...Rog

Bob H - It may surprise you, Bob but we are on the same planet and I comprehend your lingo. Cutting to the chase, the only way to safely play live after playing a sequenced song is to load a file that has ALL PANEL MEMORY, SOUND MEMORY, ETC., what I have been trying to avoid having to do – is this to your thinking? The way I have been saving a sequenced song, I don’t have to do this. You are thinking, “Yes, but you have run into a problem.” I ran into this problem by using CUSTOM PANEL for the sounds in RIGHT2 coming up wrongly when sequenced songs are played. It is bad enough that one has to remember to take the INTRO button off and the SEQUENCER button off when playing live. By adding another step of loading from the SD card is a further irritating step, though you and others say it’s easy. It IS easy. The problem is, having to DO IT.

Speaking of the INTRO and SEQUENCER buttons needing turned off, one of the biggest mistakes Technics made was not correcting this through Panel Memory settings. Panel Memory settings should override any previous settings – they do for everything else. We all have experienced the embarrassment (or at least, I have) of starting to play live and have the INTRO and SEQUENCER buttons still on.

Here is a way of playing that you or others might not have considered – I might have a Panel Memory set in Pianist Mode, play and sing 8 bars of a song ad lib, switch to another Panel Memory with a style in tempo, finishing the song. I also might play and sing the 8 bars, press the SEQUENCER button and finish the song.

John C – I do keep separate live performance from sequenced work. I was hoping for a way to not have to load my live settings after I have played a sequenced song. I CAN do this by the way I have been saving a sequenced song. I am being told it is the wrong way to save and dangerous of changes down the line.

I look forward to Audrey’s comments on saving songs to Music Stylist.

ONE FINAL COMMENT – I have never saved or used PERFORMANCE. Since it is not part of the default settings, I just never got around to knowing anything about it. I would appreciate all your thoughts about this as to how it is beneficial.

Thanks,

Scott

Hi Rog,

I just sent the above reply before I read your latest that came in. Thanks for clearing up the Bank A statement. You are talking about what is called RECORDING MEMORY A and not actually, BANK A, which is a Panel Memory - right? You made an interesting point about the CUSTOMIZE button. I will read that section in the manual.

Scott

Scott, as long as you are unable or unwilling to comprehend the basic aspects of using your keyboard you will continue to face unexpected things that you feel are totally wrong. It is not a problem of the keyboard. It is a problem with the method you try to use to play the keyboard.

You still seem to believe that the process of saving your Custom Panel had something to do with a change in other panel memories. As I said in an earlier post, that is impossible unless you also did something else, such as resetting one of the other panel memories with the content of the Custom Panel memory. The difference between the two modes that Roger talked about above is that the Panel Memory mode saves what would normally be in the Panel Memory file and the All Panel mode adds to that, the content of what would normally be in the Current Panel file. The results of either mode would be the same for the problem that you described.

If you had pressed the Custom Panel button, you would see whatever you had saved for that button for the voice selection among other things. At that time the light associated with the Custom Panel button would be lit. If that was the case when you thought your panel memories had changed, you may have seen what you thought was the wrong voice selection. BUT, you said that you edited 14 songs. The instant that you began to edit any of the panel memory buttons, the Custom Panel mode would have been cancelled and suddenly you would have seen the correct voicing. I asked above if you had touched any of the panel memory buttons after you selected the Custom Panel button and I did not get a reply. I also asked where you had stored the 14 songs so that I could understand what you felt needed to be fixed. I did not get a reply.

The more that I read your comments the more I become convinced that your basic problem is that you are unable to place any faith in use of the SD card and you think that stuff that is in the keyboard memory is much safer to use and will not change. Nothing could be further from the truth.

In one of my comments above I talked about most everyone I know using a location in SD memory that they used for live play where they just wanted to play whatever came to mind or where they did not have a specific song setup. I said that a memory location that was easy to remember should be used and that I used SD location 01-01 for that purpose. Surely you can remember a single number that you can select for yourself. ONE MORE TIME FOR POSSIBLE PENETRATION: All you have to do is press the yellow SD button, select LOAD, select LOAD BY NUMBER (if it is not already your default), enter your own special number that you selected and remembered and load your keyboard setup. All of this should take less than five seconds unless you are doing an All Custom load. Your keyboard is now set up for live play in precisely the same configuration that you had when you saved your special setup file. This includes your sound file that you seem so concerned about. It also includes a blank sequencer file so that any lingering file in the sequencer is deleted. It doesn’t matter what you did before or what sequence you may have played. Nothing could have been done to your keyboard that isn’t fixed by that one simple load. If you are an experienced performer you know that the first thing you do when you go on stage is to make eye contact with your audience and make some sort of greeting comment or gesture. While you are doing that, you have more than enough time to load your special setup file. You could go on stage with a new KN7000 that you had never seen before and find all your setups already in the keyboard with that one simple load.

Hiya Scott
Just to confirm what I was refering to - it is the Memory Load button bottom right of the Rhythm group of buttons which when pressed shows up (A) and (B) and (C) options of sets of 4 variations of styles/rhythms.
Rog
p.s. with regard to all the rest we are talking 2 totally different ways of using the operating system of the KN7000 and realistically they are so far apart that only by standing next to one another each with our own keyboards could each of us comprehend fully what the other is proposing - so fellas may I suggest 'leave it at that, and carry on enjoying playing'
p.p.s. I go from live play to midi to sequenced and then back to live from one song to the next and never does a previous intro or sequenced material overlap.... because I keep each song set-up seperately saved IN FULL - EVERYTHING on my SD Card.
And yet my load time for each new song is less than 2 seconds - absolutely ideal for uptempo stuff when folk are up dancing.

[This message has been edited by RMepstead (edited 03-13-2008).]

Scott,
After reading all that has been written I feel you are heading the wrong way on a one-way street. But--- it is possible that you might come up with some ideas the rest of us never thought of.

I sold a Yamaha Psr2100, Psr3000, Tyros 1 and a Tyros2 because I could not get them to work like a KN7000. I am now cured.

John C.

PS, Scott, This post has gathered a lot of interest and participation and that is good, thanks.