Hello my friends of the KN 7000.

Although I think I already may know the probably negative answer to this question, I am going to ask it anyway, on the chance that what I want is indeed possible! Curiosty aroused? lol

Anyway, I enjoy using the various Performance Pads already built in to the 7000, but often the instrumentation clashes with the setup I have been using for the melody. Is there any way that a performance pad pattern can be maintained but one or more of the instruments changed or altered without affecting the sequence? For example, a pad may use brass when I would prefer a piano sound, etc.

If any of this is possible, thanks for the information. If you folks can't do it, nobody can!!!

Best personal regards to all my SZ friends and colleagues.

TED

The Performance pads can indeed be edited to produce any sounds or patterns of your choice. You can even create your own pads from scratch. I seem to remember that the subject was covered in Alec's book 'How do I do That'. However, if you don't have access to that publication, give me a little time and I'll post the basic steps for changing the sounds in the Pads.............

Hi Bill, I would be interested in that information as well.
See Ya !!!
Ray

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Ray The Saint

Editing a Performance Pad

To edit one of the KN7000 Built-In Performance Pads, you first need to copy the selected pad, into one of the User Bank pads.

1. Press PROGRAM MENUS > PERFORMANCE PADS > PHRASE COPY.
2. In the FROM box, select the BANK which contains the phrase (Pad) to be edited and the actual Pad. For example, let's choose BANK 13 and PAD 3 - Jazz

Combo / Jazz Gtr Rhythm.
3. In the TO box, Select A: USER BANK 1 and PAD 1
4. Press OK - The selected Built-In Pad will be copied into User bank 1 / Pad 1.
5. Press EXIT once to go to the PADS MENU screen.
6. Press RECORDING BANK A - You will then see the present assignment of all 6 pads in User Bank A.
7. Press PAD1 > START RECORDING PART 1 - The User Bank A Pad 1 will start to play.
8. Press START/STOP to stop the Pad playing, then press PART SETTING.
9. You will see that Part 1 sound, is currently set to JAZZ GUITAR, so let's change it.............
10. In the SOUND GROUP, press BRASS and on Page 1/3, select FULL BRASS.
11. Press START/STOP and you will now hear the Pad playing with the 'new' sound. You can of course, select a different sound if you wish - go back to Step 10.
12. Press START/STOP to stop the Pad playing and then press EXIT twice.
13. Press PAD NAMING > CLR and enter an appropriate name - for example 'BRASS FIGURES' - followed by OK.
14. Press PROGRAM MENUS once to exit the editing facility and then save your new Pad.
15. Press SD LOAD > SAVE > TECHNICS FORMAT and select a Folder as normal.
16. Enter a name for the 'Song File' - for example 'My Perf Pads 01'.
17. Go to Page 2/3 and make sure that the PERFORMANCE PADS option is set to 'YES'. If you only wish to save the new Pad, then set all the other options on page 2/3 to 'NO' and then Save as normal. This will allow you to re-load the new Pad into an existing KN7000 setup, without changing any of the other keyboard's settings. Having re-loaded the new pad, you need to select the USER BANK 1 in the PERFORMANCE PAD settings. If you wish, you can save the new User Performance Pad together with your current keyboard setup, by just doing a normal save operation, making sure that the Performance Pad option on Page 2/3 of the Save process, is set to 'ON'.

A further point - If you are using Panel Memory in Expand Mode in your keyboard setup, and the PAD BANK Option on Page 2/2 of the Expand Mode Filter is set to 'ON', you will need to ensure that the User Bank is selected and saved in each of the used Panel Memory locations.

You can edit further Pads within a Bank of Built-In Pads, by just selecting the desired pad locations in Steps 2 and 3 of the above procedure. You can also Mix-and-Match any of the pads from the Built-In Banks and build your own User Banks - there are Three User Banks available with Six pads in each bank.

The above process just demonstrates how to change the sounds in one or more of the Built-In Perfomance Pads. There is a much more which could be written about editing and creating patterns in the Performance Pad editing facility, but that's another story.................
Alec Pagida - aka 'technicsplayer' included a full tutorial on the Performance Pads in his excellent book 'How Do You Do That', which may still be obtainable from Walt Tenay in USA-email : keyboards@bellsouth.net


[This message has been edited by Bill Norrie (edited 09-17-2009).]

Hi Ted , thanks for suggesting this topic .

A special BIG THANK YOU BILL NORRIE !!!

for sharing your knowledge and expertise .

regards ...Giovanni

WOW, Bill!!!! Is there no problem you cannot solve?! Thank you so much for your clear and precise explanation of how to do what I thought was impossible. From the other comments herein, apparently there are others who silently thank you, too, for taking your time and effort in posting your response. Now, after all these years of using only the inherent Performance Pads in the KN 7000, I am even tempted to try creating one or more "patterns" of my own, as well as editing the ones that already exist, according to your instructions. Every day, I am more and more amazed at the versatility of this fabulous instrument, even for me, a rank amateur, and even more amazed at the abilty of great musicians like you and others who post here on the SZ Forum, to clarify and expand the horizons of the wonders that this keyboard contains.

Thank you again for all the great information you have always provided us! Best personal regards to you always from the Yankee Jaybird (you may remember from the old KESO site. If any of you have forgotten it or never seen it, worth looking at again: http://www.keso.nl/

Ted Rose

[This message has been edited by Ted Rose (edited 09-18-2009).]

YEESSSS,

Hi Ted I clicked on that site expecting to get keso and got something else entirely different Derek

Try this one... www.keso.nl
It was that bracket after the slash at the end...!


[This message has been edited by RMepstead (edited 09-18-2009).]

Great info Bill
Thanks

It would seem from comments in this thread and emails which I have received, that there is considerable interest in Editing and Creating Performance Pads on the KN7000 (and 6000/6500). I would strongly recommend that all owners of these keyboards obtain a copy of Alec Pagida's book 'How Do I Do That' - which is still available in PDF format from Walt Tenay in USA.

I have been in contact with Walt, who is the copyright holder, to ask his permission to publish an extract from the Book on my website. He has kindly agreed to allow me to do this, and you can find the article "Creating Patterns in the Performance Pads", at Tip 27 on the Tech Tips Page - http://www.willumspages.co.uk/page10.html
The document is in PDF format so you will need a suitable PDF Reader installed on your PC, such as Adobe Reader or the much 'leaner' Foxit Reader - both freely available on the Internet - do a Google search........

It must be remembered that these pad exercises were written by me a decade ago and are applicable to the KN6000 and 6500.

They did not give the same results with the KN7000 because obviously some styles and easy composer patterns used as the starting points for editing changed in the new keyboard, released years after that book was written.

However when I was asked to investigate if all the exercises could be applied to the KN7000, indeed they could, since all the principles and steps were just as pertinent, needing only a few small changes to the text.

Five years ago I provided a free update pdf document for KN6000/6500 owners who had bought the book and had then upgraded to the KN7000, describing the text changes for the newer keyboard and including a file for floppy disk creation or file for writing to SD card providing the missing files for KN7000 owners, and also the results of the editing exercises.

So it should be understood that the extract on Bill's site as it stands is only for the KN6000/6500.


[This message has been edited by technicsplayer (edited 09-24-2009).]

Thanks for your comments Alec - much appreciated If it is OK with you and Walt, I would be perfectly happy to add the KN7000 supplement to my web page, for the benefit of KN7000 owners.
My email address is in my profile on this forum and there is also a link on my website.

Bill , another good idea .
These workshop /tutorials are just great !! there is so much to learn about on our Technics keyboards ....... i for one have only just scraped the surface on what can be done !!

No other forum offers this in depth knowledge !! We are lucky to have this high level of expertise ...that is willingly shared with us all .

The Technics Brand may have ceased ...but the keyboards live on !! and can more than hold their own against the newer products !!


regards ....Giovanni

For ease of understanding I've sent 2 pdfs to Bill, one for KN6000/6500 owners, and one for KN7000 owners, both in colour and better quality than the scan.

Also a zip file for KN7000 owners which they can unzip to floppy disk with the files required for the KN7000 update.

Naturally KN6000/6500 owners require no files since the patterns are already in the keyboard

Thanks Alec, I'll get my website updated - hopefully this weekend and post here when it's done.

Tech Tips page updated with new tutorials, 27 and 28, and a set of Technics files associated with the KN7000 tutorial, in Tip number 29. The tutorials are in PDF format and the Technics files are in ZIP format and should be unzipped to a Floppy disk

Many thanks to Alec and Walt for allowing me to add the data to my website