Refresher Course for Gun Owners


1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
3. Colt: The original point and click interface.
4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.4a. Gun control is using both hands

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use s words?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. And spoons caused Rosie O'Donnel to get fat.

7. "Free" men do not ask permission to bear arms.
8. If you don't know your rights you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
14. Guns only have two natural enemies: rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911 - government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device

19. Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs safer.

20. Kennesaw, GA, required all home owners to own a gun.
No murders since that law was enacted 25 years ago.
No gun related crimes in 25 years.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

22. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the "gun control laws" we ALREADY have, don't make more.

How about removing some of those we now have? Such as concealed carry?

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

Or the current US Congress.

26. "A government of the people, by the people, for the people..."

27. For that matter - public lands should be for public use without interference from the Sierra club and their

aiding and abetting 85 year old senile Federal Judges. Bill Clinton STOLE millions of acres of prime

recreation land from the public - it must be returned.

28. Keep the useless U.N. out of our lives. A bunch of foreign nitwits who have already given up their

freedoms should NEVER be in a position to tell us how we should live our lives here in the U.S.A.


"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."

Thomas Jefferson

BEBOP,
Is all of the above

1) meant to be a joke, in general
2) meant to be a joke, for the benefit of gun owners
3) meant to be a joke, for the benefit of those who oppose gun ownership
4) serious stuff

Can't understand the whole lot.... I am not pro-guns, though I understand why some of you may want to own a gun for protection.

Here, (in Greece), only the armed forces, police, or vigorously scrutinized (or simply wealthy enough to have reasons) individuals may have a legally owned gun.

And if you shoot a burglar and he lives, regardless he had a weapon, you may go to prison WITH him (he for burglary, and you for owning/firing a gun without a licence). May sound unfair, but such is life.

Thinking about my (just a tad higher than a chimpanzee intelligence) neighbours having the "right to bear arms", makes me shiver. Here's an example:

Most males go to obligatory army draft for 12-24 months, so they know how to handle one, at least the basics...that didn't stop 2 of them (in my company) from playing "Hey Johnny, let's see if you can catch my bullet", almost in front of me. A 7,62 NATO bullet no less, Squeak or someone with knowledge of assult rifles can probably tell you what a 7.62 coming from an H&K G3 from 3 feet away can do to flesh and bone. Luckily no one was killed. Lucky bastards!

My view is that since there is no error-free process to exclude morons from buying a gun, it shouldn't be allowed.

[This message has been edited by trident (edited 06-06-2007).]

Right on, Trident. The recent events at Virginia Tech. (isn't that where squeak_D extols the virtues of that state's gun laws) prove your point precisely.

Couldn't agree with you guys more. Other than as a collector piece (mounted and on display) the only reason I can see to own a gun is to kill someone (whatever the circumstances leading up to it). I've never been in a circumstance (excluding the military) where I felt as though I needed a gun to survive, however, I have been inflicted with road rage to the point where if I DID have a gun, there would have been one less little ol' lady on the road.

I also stay out of bars where Country or Rap music is played.


chas

I don't live in Virginia. I live in West Virginia. That V. Tech weapon was bought in a Virginia gun store, but as usual EVERYONE blames the damn gun store and the guns for the problem rather than the asshole who shoots the place up.

That shithead in Virginia Tech was the problem, not the gun and not the gun store. The store did EVERYTHING by the book. It's not their fault that other bullshit laws allow complete idiots to own guns. The Virginia Tech incident could have been avoided, but that fell on the courts and not the gun store, but everyone still blames the gun store. That idiot was already placed on record about his mental stability... There's a conflict with current laws dealing with patient privacy here. The gun store had no way of knowing this idiot was that unstable.

Why does everyone blame the problem on guns, and gun stores rather than blame the problem on the idiots who misuse them.

How many people are killed EVERYDAY in vehicle accidents in the United States? Just as many idiots IF NOT MORE own and are sold cars everyday. How many drunk driving deaths are accounted for daily? How many innocent die as a result of them?

How many idiots cause accidents talking on cell phones? How many dumb ass women cause accidents because they do their makeup in the car? Where are all the laws and the huge outcry to take cars off the streets and make laws more strict so these idiots can't get one. Where are all the lawsuits for the auto dealer that sold the car to the idiot?

The gun debate IMO is pointless because the same principle applies to so many other things. I carry a weapon, I protect my home with a weapon. I will do whatever it takes to ensure the safety of my family. If a criminal is dumb enough to break into my home, and is a threat to my daughter or my wife..., then I'd put that person down without a second thought. I love the ability to own a firearm. For every idiot that owns a firearm there's 1000's more that aren't.

It's always going to be the blame game in play here. When it comes to guns they're always going to blame the problem on the gun rather than fix ther "real problems" that are associated with this. Rather than fix those problems..., people just want the "quick fix" and want our firearms taken away. Well I say that's bullshit... Maybe we should push for another quick fix and take everyone's cars away.

Gun laws will take the guns away from the stable law abiding people..It will NEVER stop criminals from obtaining guns..

I will always protect my family via any means necessary...My fist..a baseball bat...or a gun..doesn't matter..If the choice is a family member or some criminal trash..it is an easy choice..

And if gun laws prevented me from owning a legal gun..I would still maintain one in my home..If criminals can find one..so can I..

1. Then why don't we allow all those mean, nasty little countries to have nukes? After all, it's not the nukes that are the problem.

2. Uh, I think I'll let one of your female relatives tackle that one.

3. I might do the same under certain circumstances (gonna be tough without a gun, though) but I hope and pray it won't be "without a second thought".

4. Wow, THAT'S comforting.

Oh well, like I said; "different strokes for different folks".

chas

Squeak, in my first post I was agreeing with Trident that morons are legally able to buy guns. I lay no blame on gun stores, they are a legitimate business. As was stated, a gun store owner has no way of determining the stability of a customer. But that is not the point.

Regardless of where, or by whom, a gun is bought, legally or otherwise, it is still a means by which to maim or kill another person. That is the sole purpose of the device. The same can not be said of cars. Unfortunately, morons do get hold of guns, and we are all the more vulnerable for it.

The city I live in borders Kennesaw, Ga. I had never heard of the "no murders in 25 years" factoid until today, so I looked it up on a few websites.

While I can't seem to find evidence that its 100% true, the city data and crime websites seem to concur that from 1983-1994 and the years 2001 and 2002 were free of gun homicides.

Now that I think about it, Kennesaw never really does come up in the news.

Still, I hate going to Kennesaw because the place has become one big shopping center. It has made the people lazy and uninteresting.

Squeak and Fran....I put the blame on people of course....

The two guys participating in the "Hey Johnny, let's see if you can catch my bullet", were about 19 -21 years old. The one, (a little soft in the head, honest) was on stag in the camp gate. The other, (not just soft in the head, but actually malleable) just teased him, calling him names, long enough to make him drag the working parts of the rifle back TWICE, so he loaded and ejected an empty case (put first in the magazine for obvious reasons), and then feed the blank (again put second in the magazine for obvious reasons!), flick the safety and fire the blank.

The sh@t from the uniform of the teaser was difficult to clean, and the only reason the moron on stag was not court-martialled, was that a sergeant in charge had a blank to replace the one spent (magazines are empied each stag change and bullets are counted). This thing was never reported of course.

Personally I'm all for gun safety, and I always have been. No weapon in my home is within reach of my child. She's 5 and still doesn't know daddy has guns. When I clean them I do it behind a locked door in my own little play room. (she just thinks I'm playing with my trains or something).

I see many problems though. So many people just want to take our guns from us in general. On paper and in theory this may look good. Sure lets take all the guns off the streets, and from private owners. Well ya know what...? If you think for one minute that solution will work, then please invite me to the fairy land you live in because I want to play there too.

The harsh reality is "this will NOT work". If you take all the guns the only thing you're doing is disarming the law abiding citizens of this country. The only one's who will have guns will be the criminals. There will be a HUGE boom in black market firearms. You take something and the criminal will always find a way to get it back (and always under the radar). So by doing this those who follow the law will have no means to protect themselves. We will be at the mercy of the criminals. Seriously..., how often is a crime carried out in this country with a registered firearm? If the government focused on the underground black market for firearms in this country it would also help. Instead and as usual our government are a bunch of lazy assholes. Rather than fix the real problem these politicians raise hell about firearms (many who own them already) and use this as a way of getting elected.

It just won't work. Again the problem is not our guns. It's not the gun shops either. The problem is the federal government, and some of our current laws that deal with patient privacy. If more information would be shared from the medical cummunity that would "flag" those individuals as "high risk" for firearm ownership then I think that would help out greatly. The V. Tech incident is an excellent example. The kid was declared unstable by doctors however was never placed in a home, but due to the privacy laws the gun store had no idea or any way of knowing this kid was a nut job who needed help.

So you can keep living the fairy dream of thinking that taking guns off the streets will fix the problem, but it won't. You're just disarming those who follow the law and the criminals will still have the guns.

Prohibition is an excellent example too. They outlawed the booze, but it sure as hell didn't go away. Probibition brought on a HUGE underground world of organized crime and many people lost their lives due to it. The booze was outlawed, but that didn't stop the production of it either.

[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 06-08-2007).]

A fathers first duty is to protect his family. In this day in age I think it wise to have protection in the house. I am for the first time ever concidering a gun permit. Society has changed to a more dangerous one.

Jerry

I suspect that people who are against other people owning guns are not campers, RV'ers or hikers.
I keep a sawed off 12 gage with birdshot in my motorhome at all times because I never know where I might have to park at and it doesn't seem to make any difference whether it is day time or night time.
there are people with guns that stop you on the hiway because you need to get out and look at something dragging, on fire or whatever under your motorhom. they use the same scams at night in a rest stop or where you have parked for a few minutes or the night.
there is nothing that discourages them more then hearing this lever action 12 gage being cocked, a sound in the still of night that you don't misunderstand.
Bird shot usually wont kill them but it will sure help them see the error of their ways.
I am not willing to donate my wife to some crazy doped up rapo
PS: No there is no plug in the magazine, it is full. Only the last cartridge is buckshot
Bb
BEBOP

Put me down as a "no way" for guns in my house.
I hate those things.

Your house has the necesary protection but RV's don't.
You call the cops. We call our wife to hand us the Remington scattergun.
Bebop

One , two maybe three intruders[villains]..a baseball bat will do..

Now Bebop..if it's a Grizzly..I rather have a gun, but birdshot...Good Luck!!!!!!

Unfortunately, I see no way to keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys. What a shame!


Russ

I was raised and taught that a "man must protect his family". When you deal with an intruder the thing you want to avoid most is "close physical contact". My home will always be protected by a firearm. People often say that they'll never keep guns, but many have changed their minds after their home was broken into, and they found themselves face to face with an intruder.

Ownership is one thing, but you have to be a responsible gun owner. That in itself is a concept that is so often not present in people. I had to force some drunk off my property at gun point recently. I didn't like having to point a pistol at this man, but in today's world--you just can't take the chance when it's your family. We live in a nice neighborhood, but regardless of where you live, anything can happen. It's best be prepared IMO.

[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 08-21-2007).]

I've had a gun pointed at me, and fired from within 6 feet. That still did not change my mind. I'd be willing to bet that more accidents occur than prevented intrusions.

Keeps your rights, but please lock them up, so the kids can't fool with them.

Dave, angry husbands/boyfriends can get that way (You OLD DOG, you)!

Russ "deadeye" Lay

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people. But I think the gun sort of helps."

- Eddie Izzard

chas

Here is the latest:
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953,
about
20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of
13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were
rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 198 1, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century
because of gun control: 56 million.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by
new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their
own government, a program costing Australian taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year results are now in:

List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3 . 2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is
unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the
ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was
expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The
Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening ne w s, or hear politicians
disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them
of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'.

Without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti gun-control message to
all of your friends.

My Guns are under control. MY CONTROL!
Bebop AKA Gunslinger

Here is the latest:
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953,
about
20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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So you think that if they had guns, they wouldn't go into labour camps in Siberia or summarily executed? Uncle Stalin has a different opinion.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Likewise.


Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of
13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were
rounded up and exterminated.
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Likewise, uncle Hitler would do that and more.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated
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And don't get me started on uncle Mao.


Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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After 1981, the US did whatever it could to rectify the situation, sending troops


Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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Now those are fine examples of democratic countries.

Here are some more statistics and conclusions .

If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theatre of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2,112 deaths,(when this was written) that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.

The firearm death rate in Washington D. C. is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period. (...and that was while handguns were outlawed!!)

That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in the U. S. Capitol, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq.

PASS THIS ON 'cuz you can be sure that CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS Plus all the so called free press news papers won't!