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#84862 - 09/20/05 12:03 PM
A bit disappointed...
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Registered: 01/02/04
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Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
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I'm a little disappointed that the project I had going with Phil (Pennywizz6) to create a website for Airstream Audio has not been completed satisfactorily.
The project started early this year. I initially got a static first page with icons indicating the navigation system, which looked like it would work. Then, after supplying copy and over 25 illustrations, what I got back was a straight dump of copy...only three illustrations poorly executed...basically no indication at all of ability in the areas of graphic design, typography, photo conversions...nothing of any use. I told Phil about this over two months ago and was promised a remake to be done over the next week-end. Then: nothing, in spite of several emails. The last 5 emails were returned (mailbox full).
TO MEMBERS: I'm using the forum because Phil solicited business here, and I want to warn you to CAREFULLY check out previous work before you consider using him. He got in way over his head, and this was the simplest of static sites.
TO PHIL: I don't regret our effort, and don't expect a refund. Even considering the results, it was $300.00 well spent. We took a shot and it didn't work. After all, you're the age of my grandson, and now I believe you're nowhere near ready to take on even the simplest of projects meeting minimum commercial quality.
What is really sad is how you handled things. When you get in over your head, the best thing to do is just admit it to your clients. In most cases, as it was in this one, there would be no hard feelings.Ignoring the problem and hoping it will go away is NOT the way to go.In the business world, lack of callbacks and accessability on the part of suppliers is unprofessional, a "no-no" and, usually, a dealbreaker.
I have a young man who is a freshman in college who does maintenance on 9 of our clients' static sites. We paid him a hair over $35,000 last year (photo changes, copy dumps, etc.). His dad, who is a friend of mine, says that he will be able to cover all his college and living expenses himself. If he progresses as he is doing, he'll have a job at my company when he graduates.
This little job was a trial. Had it been completed as promised, I would have given you the shot at similar work.
What I'd like you to do is simply return the input. I'd like to secure the URL for use after one of my "in house" guys creates a usable site.
Mail materials to: Russ Lay CCI 333 Midland Place #7 Lexington, Kentucky 40505
Again, no hard feelings; just a little disappointment.
Best of luck in the future,
Russ Lay
[This message has been edited by captain Russ (edited 09-20-2005).]
[This message has been edited by captain Russ (edited 09-20-2005).]
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#84863 - 09/20/05 12:50 PM
Re: A bit disappointed...
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
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Russ, we all get over our head on occasions..It is part of growing pains..Risk takers will be rewarded someday, but as you mentioned, you do have to admit when it happens , and make ammends..I appreciate your attitude, over the experience and would hope Phil grows from the experience.. Phil, keep plugging away,this is how you get the experience to succeed,both good and bad.. Phil, my advice, contact Russ and get on the same page without hard feelings,,Russ has said it is not the money..
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#84871 - 09/22/05 12:14 PM
Re: A bit disappointed...
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Registered: 11/17/99
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Loc: netherlands
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Sorry to hear this Russ. Anyway I sended him some *wav by mail which I burned on cd. No pressure at all for him as it's just for himself to try out some basics in mastering. Personally I'm very well capable in mastering myselve. It is just meant for him to help him on it's way. He got 4 songs in stereo*wav on -3db which gives him all the headroom he needs and I told him by mail in which order to do the mastering process for these files. He should have them by now. Let's see what comes out anyway ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/smile.gif) Fred
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#84873 - 09/23/05 06:50 AM
Re: A bit disappointed...
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Registered: 01/02/04
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Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
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Kbrkr, you're right...you get what you pay for. This was simply a chance for this young man to learn. I paid him $100.00 more than his asking price. There was no sound...no guestbook. He got a thumbnail of the pages, illustrations on disk and content via email. It was one of the easiest sites to create I have ever organized, due to the intent, which was to create a learnng experience. I was prepared to get a marginal; even unusable product. I'm not at all upset because he couldn't do the work...I'm upset about how he handled things when he learned there was a problem, which was to do nothing.
We hve two web designers on staff, and create interactive sites for clients used to track the process of orders, order entry, shipping dates, sales commissions, etc.If my object was only to get an appropriate website, I would have simply given the job to one of our people and it would have cost me nothing, since they are on salary.
Had I gotten anything like an acceptable product, I would have developed him as a part-timer to maintain static sites, at compensation of $50.00 an hour.
I was simply trying to give someone an opportunity...
Russ
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#84877 - 09/30/05 06:52 AM
Re: A bit disappointed...
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Registered: 01/02/04
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Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
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Thanks, Tony, but the "damage is done". If he were to deliver a usable site today, it would be 6 months after he got content and 5 months after promised.
I also know that he didn't deliver as promised to other members. I don't expect to get my input back, either.
I don't regret giving him a chance. I mainly want to warn members to be careful and let Phil know that this is not acceptable behavior. If he were older and working, this performance would get him fired, and If he failed to deliver under contract he probably would be sued.
It's a disappointment, but now I know about him. I hope he spent my $300.00 wisely, cause he "ain't gonna get any more". The sad thing is, he could have made enough to finance college if he had just done what he promised.
With the help of the "zone" I think I've got my point across. I'm sure he's seen all this, and I hope he's embarassed.
Best regards to all...
Russ
[This message has been edited by captain Russ (edited 09-30-2005).]
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#84879 - 09/30/05 11:41 AM
Re: A bit disappointed...
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Actually, Danny, we have two full-time web designers on staff, so, since they are on salary, I could have created this site at no out-of-pocket. Airstream Audio is a mobile DJ/sound set-up, which is contained in a 22' 1956 Airstream trailor. We use it mainly for car shows and for large outside events. Since the car shows are "captive customers" I wasn't going to create a site at all..it's booked through fall, 2006. I was simply trying to create a job for someone who I thought was an ambitious and honorable kid. I was wrong, but he is the big loser, not me. It was worth $300.00 to see what Phil was worth, which "ain't much".
Currently, I'm giving a young graphic arts major a chance to work on several logos. If it works out, she'll get more work while in college, with the possibility of a full-time job with us when she graduates. I never get "newcomers" to do work on spec. We always pay a fair rate, even if the work is not usable. I like to give young people in the business a chance to work on a "brag piece", since jobs are hard to get without a track record.
Thanks very much for your concern...all the best to our "overseas" friend!
Russ
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