I'm a guitarist as well, and I've played nylon on many occasions. The answer is "YES" you will get these noises. Granted the strings aren't as abrasive, but you will hear these noises on the nylon guitar. They're just not as "obvious" or noticable as you'd find on a standard steel string guitar. If I had a nylon I'd record it. Does anyone else here have one to demostrate.

Squeak

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The higher the tension strings on the nylon the more noise one gets much the same though not as pronounced as steel string of course.

Now lets make sure we are on the same definitions page please define what you are calling "fret noise".

To me it is the sound of the strings pushed against the frets and or plucked and one would hear a very faint tap/click sound.

The second would be fingers sliding on the strings and they get a more scratchie sound.

Third is finger slide which produces more of the squeak sound that is common. This one can be avoided or minimized by actually picking ones hand up to move to the next chord, instead of sliding it.

Something else to keep in mind, though I am not totally sure how the voices are constructed, my understanding is that they are recorded voices of one playing the instrument, so in this case if that is true on the Tyros, though it may be embellished, we would be hearing what the recording picked up wouldn't we?

Terry

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It's the same way on the acoustic guitar as well. If I'm playing something that requires quick chord changes and I don't want a heavy fret noise I reduce the amount of slide to the next chord, by simply lifting my hand. It's the same principle on the nylon guitar. I think Yamaha added this noise just to give this sound more flavor.

We guitarists each have our own different and unique playing styles. By playing the actual instrument we can control the amount of fret noise produced from chord changes. Now if you can reduce the amount of fret noise when switching chords on the T2, then that's impressive.

Squeak

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Here is a demo of a real Spanish Guitar with nylon strings that was midi'ed and recorded to a computer. The lead part was recorded separate from the rhythm part. I took the midi file and loaded it into my Tyros"1" and used the XG Nylon Guitar patch for the lead part and the XG Nylon Guitar3 for the rhythm part and used them as the sound vehicle and then recorded the song to my computer's Sony Sound Forge 7.0b converting the .wav file to .mp3 which is right here: Spanish Guitar Note: I didn't use the Tyros' Live! Nylon and/or Live! Classical guitar patches because of the hammer on/dead note effect on the Live! Nylon patch and for some reason the Live! Classical patch exhibited some undesirable effects also on this song. Hence I used the XG Nylon and Nylon3 patches. But at least you will get the idea of fret sounds in conjunction with Nylon strings.

As you can tell a 'real' Nylon string guitar does in fact produce fret noises although as has been stated not to the degree that steel strings do.

Enjoy!

Best regards,
Mike

Mike
What a beautiful demo. Is that you playing? IF so I'm damned impressed.

jam on,
Terry

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Ok folks, for COMPARISON, here are some audio clips of an actual (real) acoustic nylon guitar being played:

[img]http://art.towerrecords.com/coverart.asp?S=3252077&X=178&Y=178[/img]
At The Rio Jazz Club, by Baden Powell

Scott

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I recorded these on Roland's Super Quartet.

Sound 2 is a Nylon guitar.
Sound 3 is Flamenco guitar.
Sound 4 is a Steele guitar.
They are about 35 second clips.
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=819A6F245B65A65D
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=7CEA896801412668
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=23B526C8608E6332

Mike,
is that a keyboard? I can't believe!

And yes, nylon strings can produce fret noise. Fret noise was the reason I gave up playing guitar a long time ago.

George

WOWWWWWWWWW!!!!!! Simply Stunning!!!

Excellent!!