Has anyone here ever embedded Vocal Harmonies in Midi files?..... Do you know of any site that might be helpfull?
As always Thanks

RonP

No Phil but there is always the option of using Scat Voices, and various Choir voices on a Keyboard in a Midi file. If you have an existing Midi file that you want to put Vocal Harmonies in, just load the midi into the Keyboard, go to the Mixing Console and under 'Track[s]' 1-16 just replace an existing Voice such as a Brass Section Voice or String Section with a Scat Voice or Choir Voice from the Keyboard. You will have to experiment with different Scat Voices/Choir Voices to see what "fits" and on what 'Channel' is the best Channel for a given Voice[s].

I am not aware of any program or innovation for embedding "Audio" Harmonies within a Midi file.

Another option is to play the Midi file on the Keyboard and run it out of the Main Outputs of your Keyboard and run the signal into your Computer's Sound Card. Use a Multi-Track recording software to record the Midi song and either sing along with the Midi song as it plays and records- (using the Multi-Track software) and by using a Mic and the Mic input of the Keyboard) and the Keyboards Vocal Harmony function "if it has one". The recording is recorded as a .Wav then you need to change it to an MP3. Thereby giving you an 'Audio' file with your Vocal's and Vocal Harmonies but of course it is now an MP3 and NOT a Midi. If you need it done completely in the Midi format then the only option that I know of is to use the Scat Voices or Choir Voices in an existing or New Midi file and edit and or save the file to include the Scat Voices or Choir Voices in the finished result.

Best regards,
Mike

PS: Maybe I'm way off track here as to what you really want to do. I guess I will need some clarification as to what you really mean when you say: "embed Vocal Harmonies into a Midi file"????

[This message has been edited by Idatrod (edited 08-11-2003).]

Are you wanting to trigger a vocal harmonizer from the midi?
If so, you can record a track with the proper chord changes or notes and leave the volume at zero. Then set your harmonizer to monitor that track. Or you can merely set the harmonizer to read a track that already has the proper chords in it.
Most harmonizers can read either chords or notes. For precise harmonies use the note mode and record each harmony note on an otherwise-unused track. Again, set the volume of the track to zero, and set the harmonizer to that track.
I haven't done it, because it's more time than I want to spend, but it should work.
DonM

Hopefully along the same lines, I would like to add vocals to midi using something like Cakewalk or Sonar. If I do so I imagine that the midi would then have to be saved as a .wav file or something. Is there a way to route the midi signal as usual and then route the vocals thru the line out on my laptop?

You can do this with an Ketron SD-1. get in touch with AJ and he can explain further..or maybe Dan O can help also. I have listened to vocals in a Midi Song played back on the SD-1 that AJ created when I visited Dan's store in MD...very kool!

That would be a wave file synced to the midi. Not sure if that's what Phil meant when he said "embedded", but never-the-less, I believe it's the only way, same as with a software seq.

Depending on what kind of gear you have, will depend on how this is achived. If you have a sample player instrument, simply use samples and trigger them via midi. If you don't you are going to have to sync with time code on a (.wav) file and trigger the midi file with click track.

Check out the Integrated Sampling Sequencer on the Motif at www.yamaha.com . You can't take a ISS file from the motif and play on you Triton etc. but it will do what your asking. I think the questions no one has asked yet are:
Why do you want to do this?
What's your application?
What gear are you planning to do it with?
What compatibility do you need with the finished song?

Regards,



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Steve Deming
Assistant Manager
Customer Support Dept.
Pro Audio & Combo Division
Yamaha Corporation of America

I'll tell ya how the SD1 can sync .....

Ketron has a 6 gig hard drive and the hard drive is divided into master folders . One of the master folders stores .wav files .
When you name the .wav file the same name as the midi sequence , the 2 can merge together . It's not the easiest thing , but very,very possible . The wav file will also transpose and adjust to tempo, all in real time .

Dano / Former Sd1 demonstrator

Hello cassp,

Here's a sample of a midi file that has a .wav file embedded into it. Instructions for inserting a .wav file can be found in the Calkwalk Help section.

It's rather large for dial-up users....Sorry. Almost 2 megs and it's only 5 seconds of sound.

http://genny.lib.umn.edu/sample.bun

The extension on the file is .bun which stands for bundle or Calkwalk bundle in this case (midi bundled with audio). I suspect that only Calkwalk or Sonar can open this file but don't quote me on that. If you do have Calkwalk and you do open it you should see something like this:



Tracks 1-9 are midi data, track 11 is a stereo wav file embedded.

This snippet comes from a demo song on the Edirol SD-90 CD.

mike

The above picture is 800 by 350 pixels.

Let me know if that works for y'all.


Hmmm, I just clicked on the link and Media Player started up and only played the .wav part. So much for Calkwalk users only.

Right-click on the link and do a Save As, then open it with Calkwalk or Sonar.

mike

[This message has been edited by msutliff (edited 08-14-2003).]

Thanx Mike, When I played the file in Cakewlak I had to change the drums to channel 10. I also adjusted some volumes and other levels. But I get the idea. This will work for me. Now all I have to do is figure the porting configuration.

As asked above, I plan to use this with a laptop using Cakewalkand an M-Audio USB midi/audio interface.

[This message has been edited by cassp (edited 08-15-2003).]

Hey Cassp,

Well that's cool that you got it to work...Gives ya some kind of idea of what's possible. As far as the channel config goes, that's what was on the CD, I didn't change any of that.

Now I haven't actually tried to import a .wav file into a midi, I just knew that I had heard a sample or two and wanted to share that. To me, the hard part is going to be the timing or the synching of the two audio (data) streams. In fact, when I was trying to cut&paste those 5 seconds, the first time around it didn't work right, the .wav was about a 1/2 second behind the midi data. Turned out to be the tempo of the midi data...Increased by 10 bpm compared to the original. Re-did the cut&paste this time paying attention to the midi tempo and it worked fine. I believe there is a synching function in Calkwalk for the two streams but I didn't mess with that.

Good luck and keep us informed.

mike

This tread found a path of its own......I am sorry that I have not explained myself better..
A friend of mine has a "Tune 1000" midi file which he plays on a Psr2000.....What I find incredible and fun is , when you sing (Karaoke ) the harmony automatically comes in and out....your voice is harmonized without having to press left hand chords....
My question is, I have a lot of decent kar files that I would like to have the same auto VH...But I do not know how to do this!!!
If I use a program like Cubase or cakewalk, where ( Track ??)would I find this info
As always Thanks
RonP

Ron, the Tune 1000 .kar file had the "chords" embedded into the song which is what you will need when you want the Vocal Harmony to kick in while you're singing along with the song. If a Midi or Karaoke file does not have the chords embedded into the song or recording, you will not get the Harmonizing effect. If you have the PSR 2000 you can easily tell when a Midi or .Kar file has chords embedded into it by either looking at the LCD main screen on the left side middle part where it says SCORE-chords___ , or if you're 'in' the Score window screen, as the song is playing and you have the "chord" function set to ON, if the song has chords embedded into it they will display on the Score screen as the song is playing.

I heard there is a way to add chords to an existing song and have them play back with the song on the PSR 2000/2100 and Tyros and have the Vocal Harmonizer kick in.

Joe Waters PSR Tutorial site might just be the ticket for finding info on how to do this. The URL to his site is: http://psrtutorial.com/

PS: Joe, if you read this and there is no tutorial on how to do what were talking about, could you maybe consider adding a tutorial on this subject? Or point us to a resource that explains it in step by step detail? Thanks.

Best regards,
Mike

That's what I was trying to say above. Good idea though, try Joe.
DonM

Hey Ron,

You've got mail!

mike

Thanks for all the help I have a better concept on what to do or look for ...

RonP