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#93016 - 08/29/03 10:14 PM Connecting two keyboards with no input jacks, Mixer vs out of A kb into mic in of B
Scott Langholff Offline
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Hello

I am strongly considering getting a KN2600 to use along with my PSR2000.

The reasons: back-up instrument, more variety in styles and sounds=more fun, creativity for me and more enjoyment for the audience. Allows me to have the non-convertable Technics styles, and finally and maybe most important(?) two stacked keyboards gives a real PRO look as compared to one. ( I have heard the comment more than once in the past when I had my PSR2000 stacked with my KN1000 that it looks sharp, pro etc. This may be the actual answer to the general publics view of an arranger keyboard looking like a toy. Whereas two of them stacked looks impressive (think of how impressed you were with Paul Schaeffers' set-up, Well, I was anyway)

Now on to my question. Neither keyboard has input jacks so I can't connect the two like I normally would. I am considering getting a Behringer mixer OR would it work if I plugged the output of one into the mic input of the other and be able to use the built in mixers of both, thereby eliminating the need for an external mixer. Both keyboards have a mic input so I could still plug my mic into one of them.

If so, I wonder what would sound better: going out of the L/R, going out of the headphone jack, or the PSR2000 has L/R RCA which the volume knob will not affect the out signal.

I am currently using two JBL Eon 10G2's using my PSR2000's built in mixer and not using an external mixer.

Any input and ideas greatly appreciated as always.

Best

Scott Langholff

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#93017 - 08/29/03 10:51 PM Re: Connecting two keyboards with no input jacks, Mixer vs out of A kb into mic in of B
DonM Offline
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You'll be a lot happier if you use a small mixer, IMO.
You know, you have a point about the two keyboards looking better.
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#93018 - 08/29/03 11:49 PM Re: Connecting two keyboards with no input jacks, Mixer vs out of A kb into mic in of B
Scott Langholff Offline
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"You know, you have a point about the two keyboards looking better.
DonM"

I also remember the other side of the fence. I was playing at a wedding reception using the PSR2000, two JBL Eon 10G2's, X stand and boom mic, and someone said, "it sure doesn't look like much does it". And of course I would have to agree with that. It really didn't look any different than the $100 Casio at WalMart.

The other thing for me, is that I don't sing, so I need all the help I can get to justify getting a lot of money playing out. While I play fine and really only need one good one, it also make me feel more pro and I think that transfers into my playing and does affect the attitude of the audience.

At one time I used to go out with three keyboards only because I got "deals" on them, none of them were general midi and one was really a "beater". I used to use the KN1000, Roland E35 and a Yamaha PSR320(?). I have pictures of it and even though these were not the greatest keyboards except for maybe the KN1000, it had that "pro" kind of look.

I also remember thinking how great it was to be able to walk in with the lightweight PSR2000 and Eons and how quick it was to set up, but, I really do think that two or three keyboard does enter into the psychology of influencing yourself and the crowd.

Scott

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#93019 - 08/30/03 12:37 AM Re: Connecting two keyboards with no input jacks, Mixer vs out of A kb into mic in of B
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Quote:
Originally posted by Scott Langholff:
"I really do think that two or three keyboard does enter into the psychology of influencing yourself and the crowd.

Scott


That influence is minimized when the sound produced is impressive on it's own. I find that people are more impressed at the LACK of gear it takes to get "my sound".
BTW - I left the kb in the car tonight and played the grand piano (with the LapTop as well)....... $68 bucks in tips. That mentality is SO programed to tip the "player" ....... aparantly not the "owner/operator". From now on .... the Korg stays in the car on Fridays! Nuff said!
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#93020 - 08/30/03 12:41 AM Re: Connecting two keyboards with no input jacks, Mixer vs out of A kb into mic in of B
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PS.... the mic input on the Yamaha can be switched to "line level", so I recommend pluging the Technic INTO the psr. I wouldn't use a HP output. Too hot and, most likely, noisy.
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#93021 - 08/30/03 12:46 AM Re: Connecting two keyboards with no input jacks, Mixer vs out of A kb into mic in of B
Scott Langholff Offline
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Hi Uncle Dave

I figured this might work. Now the only question left is the issue about the PSR2000 sounding real good only in stereo, and I would presume that the Technics would be the same and whether the mic in would be in mono or stereo. Seems like I saw a thread someplace about that recently, but was not interested at the time, so in one ear and out the other.

Scott

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#93022 - 08/30/03 01:45 AM Re: Connecting two keyboards with no input jacks, Mixer vs out of A kb into mic in of B
Scott Langholff Offline
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I found the thread about the PSR2000 mic in being mono. (BTW
I checked the available specs for the Technics KN2600 and it only says mic in.

My guess is that it will be the same as the PSR mono in and the Technics will probably sound much better going out in stereo if they do the effects like Yamaha, which I don't know for sure. I may just have to try it to find out.

Scott

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#93023 - 08/30/03 02:50 AM Re: Connecting two keyboards with no input jacks, Mixer vs out of A kb into mic in of B
Nigel Offline
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Just get the Behringer mixer. They are so inexpesive and will provide good stereo control. Plus you can easily bring in more sound sources such as a CD player for playing background music between sets.

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#93024 - 08/30/03 06:06 AM Re: Connecting two keyboards with no input jacks, Mixer vs out of A kb into mic in of B
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Scott Langholff



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#93025 - 08/30/03 07:34 AM Re: Connecting two keyboards with no input jacks, Mixer vs out of A kb into mic in of B
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Scott, I'm guessing that right now you are not using any additional amplification for the one keyboard. So my consideration would be if your tandem setup would be loud enough for your needs. I still don't understand why you would want to connect the two - why not use each kbd. sound system separately? If you need extra amplification, Peavey, Roland, Behringer and others sell small keboard amps that also have PA/mic mixer apps.

I agree, 2 kbds look better than one (most of the time).

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