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#93264 - 03/27/06 08:07 PM Re: Style: creation: converting:editing etc
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi,
ended up starting a little group of my own.

Jorgen, would it be ok to add a link to your site. The info on styles may help inspire some members.

The few members I've got so far are mainly Ketron owners, but a couple of them have psr's also.

best wishes
Rikki
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/makingstyles/
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#93265 - 03/28/06 12:46 AM Re: Style: creation: converting:editing etc
Jørgen Sørensen Offline
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Registered: 10/24/99
Posts: 361
Loc: Denmark
Hi Rikki

Sure it will be ok to link to my Style Creation Course.

Without knowing how Ketron works, I think my Course will apply as a kind of general guideline to style creation at Ketron too. At least it might give some ideas.

I will join your new group, as the combination of technical and musical stylemaking is not discussed much anywhere else.

Kind Regards
Jørgen

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#93266 - 03/28/06 05:05 AM Re: Style: creation: converting:editing etc
kbrkr Offline
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Registered: 11/19/02
Posts: 2867
Loc: Tampa, FL
Rikki,

I highly recommend taking a look at Michael P. Bedesem's excellent StyleMaker program which makes style files from standard midi files. It works great!
http://www.tyrosworld.com/


Al
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#93267 - 03/28/06 06:04 AM Re: Style: creation: converting:editing etc
RMepstead Offline
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Registered: 06/15/02
Posts: 1664
Loc: Wootton Bassett - Wiltshire - ...
Hi Rikki
Yes I'm still madly converting to KN5000 and then loading and uprating to KN7000.
I've joined your new Yahoo group and noticed that I can convert both to and from Ketron using EMC so watch out for some converts from Technics to Ketron...which model?
Rog
Sorry it's SD 1 ain't it...

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#93268 - 03/28/06 08:13 AM Re: Style: creation: converting:editing etc
Starkeeper Offline
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Registered: 09/16/02
Posts: 1704
Loc: Toronto
A lot of musician's here feel that creating your own styles is not as good as the factory styles. I have never created my own styles (this is something I want to do), but curios as to why that is. When the keyboard manufacturers make a style to they use real musicians with MIDI instruments? I rarely use my factory styles and use 3rd party styles. One of the styles I use is from SVP world. I am sure Simon creates his styles with a keyboard.
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#93269 - 03/28/06 06:15 PM Re: Style: creation: converting:editing etc
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Jorgen,
thank you.
Your course will come in very handy.

I didn't mean to make the group keyboard specific, so if it reads that way, I better change my intro to the group, it's just that my current keyboard is a Ketron , so I may be of more help to Ketron users because I have the keyboard & manual in front of me.

I'm hoping to get users of Yammies, Roland, Korg, Technics, General Music, Ketron, Anyone who wants to explore the options for creating styles for their keyboards using available software or the keyboards themselves.

Be wonderful if you join the group & if you get a chance, introduce yourself, the more experts we have, the better.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jørgen Sørensen:
[B]Hi Rikki
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#93270 - 03/28/06 06:20 PM Re: Style: creation: converting:editing etc
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Al,
thank you
I'm aware of some of Michaels wonderful psr programs.
We're very fortunate he has decided to join us also.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kbrkr:
[B]Rikki,
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#93271 - 03/28/06 06:44 PM Re: Style: creation: converting:editing etc
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Roger,
that'll be great. Hopefully we can attract some of our old KN7 style group buddies.
Your expertise on EMC will be most appreciated. By the way, have you seen their latest piece of software called Stylefactory,
instead of converting just say a kn7 style into a Ketron style, it actually saves the kn7 style as individual phrases. These phrases can be imported into an existing ketron style ie replace the odd style phrase here & there, or you can build a complete style from 1000's phrases you store in a phrase library.

Works a bit like Easy Composer in the KN's where you used to scroll thru & choose a bass from one style, drums from another etc except that with Style Factory you can use styles, turn them into phrases, from any brand keyboard that emc supports, and audition it as you build it up.

This ones going to keep me busy haahaa.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RMepstead:
[B]Hi Rikki
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#93272 - 03/28/06 08:45 PM Re: Style: creation: converting:editing etc
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Starkeeper,
Simon I think used a psr 740 to create his early styles, he's a very talented person.
I ended up with quite a collection of his styles because they're quite unique.

I suppose quality of style depends on how good a musician you are and on your ability to compose a style. Might not be the right word for it, but I've always thought of styles as mini compositions.

Me personally, I lack the musical imagination to create a style from scratch. I may know the technical details of how to go about it, ie what type of chord & notes can be used , what buttons to push, how to set up for style recording etc etc but most of my styles were edited conversions from my various keyboards .

I tend to think maybe some of the poor conversions that one sometimes comes across may give the impression that making your own styles, doesn't work. We tend to foget that each manufactures keyboards handle styles differently. eg some Technics styles don't convert very well to other keyboards, because Technics can handle notes within a style that other keyboards can't, so when it gets converted, you can end up with wrong sounding notes.

There's all sorts of ways to make a style, be it a conversion, or from a midifile or from scratch or even use existing style phrases from a keyboard to create new styles.
OK so may not be as good as what's in a new $3000 keyboard, but if you think about it, if you're using phrases from within a keyboard & just mixing em up a bit, why shouldn't it sound quite good.

best wishes
Rikki

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#93273 - 03/29/06 01:16 AM Re: Style: creation: converting:editing etc
Nigel Offline
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Registered: 06/01/98
Posts: 6484
Loc: Ventura CA USA
Rikki, I've added a link to your group on the Accompaniment & Styles listing at Synth Zone at http://www.synthzone.com/midiaccomp.htm

I didn't make any mention of keyboard brand as I figure it is open to all arranger keyboard users.

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