Surely this is one of the dumbest statements uttered since the dawn of mankind.

Clearly the man is in the dark with regard to digital technology.

Maybe Bob should smoke another Joint!

Posted by Cgiles:
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In the case of John "the only good Indian is a dead Indian" Wayne, maybe that's not such a bad thing. Whatever his screen accomplishments, I can't admire a self-admitted, first rate bigot. Remember, this guy was NOT a hero, he just played one on the screen.

chas
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I'll drink to that! I completely understand your position on this one man. That's why I also don't support some of the other well known musicians on this forum..., because they too were bigots. Elvis is an excellent example... He's loved on this forum, but Elvis over the years has said a lot of negative and racist things towards African Americans. I remember when I was younger I watched my mother throw an Elvis album in the trash. She didn't call it the devil's music, she said Elvis was a racist bastard and his music had no place in our home. Actually I wonder what year that album was now... Probably would have been worth something

I do however understand Bob's remarks. Music has really gone down the crapper lately. Who's really singing today without the aid of "pitch correction", and other vocal effects. There's a few good singers out there, but many voices are carried by effects, which often kills the vocals in the end.

Today they just want to market the look and sex appeal, and worry about the singing in the end. When they do this we end up with people like Britney Spears... Then you got the ones who have a set of pipes that will blow the windows out of a house who don't even get noticed and have to resort to showing their ass more on stage just to get noticed. Very sad indeed.


[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 05-16-2007).]

I know, off-topic, but I agree with Chas and Squeak. I have a problem with his movies since they glorify the genocide of the Native Americans. This is then called "entertainment" while "Holocaust" was meant to be "educational".

Sample John Wayne quotes....

"I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to the point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people."

"This may come as a surprise to you, but I wasn't alive when reservations were created - even if I do look that old. I have no idea what the best method of dealing with the Indians in the 1800's would have been. Our forefathers evidently thought they were doing the right thing."

"I'm not going to give you those I-was-a-poor-boy-and-I-pulled-myself-up-by-my- bootstraps-stories, but I've gone without a meal or two in my lifetime, and I still don't expect the Government to turn over any of it's territory to me. Hard times aren't something I can blame my fellow citizens for. Years ago, I didn't have all the opportunities, either. But you can't whine and bellyache 'cause somebody else got a good break and you didn't, like these Indians are. We'll all be on a reservation soon if the socialists keep subsidizing groups like them with our tax money."

"Look, I'm sure there have been inequalities. If those inequalities are presently affecting any of the Indians now alive, they have a right to a court hearing. But what happened one hundred years ago in out country can't be blamed on us today."

[Asked whether the Native American Indians should be allowed to camp on their land at Alcatraz] "Well, I don't know of anybody else who wants it. The fellas who were taken off it sure don't want to go back there, including the guards. So as far as I am concerned, I think we ought to make a deal with the Indians. They should pay as much for Alcatraz as we paid them for Manhattan. I hope they haven't been careless with their wampum."


"Have you ever heard of some fellows who first came over to this country? You know what they found? They found a howling wilderness, with summers too hot and winters freezing, and they also found some unpleasant little characters who painted their faces. Do you think these pioneers filled out form number X6277 and sent in a report saying the Indians were a little unreasonable? Did they have insurance for their old age, for their crops, for their homes? They did not! They looked at the land, and the forest, and the rivers. They looked at their wives, their kids and their houses, and then they looked up at the sky and they said, 'Thanks God, we'll take it from here.'"

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Sure, a lot of us "seniors" yearn for the 'good ol' days', but we have to remember that those times weren't all that great for a sizable number of our fellow citizens. Just keepin' it real.

chas

Sorry -- double post, I forgot to enter my reply.

I pulled the names Sinatra and Wayne off the top of my head � if you are into the people I mentioned and not what I was trying to say then you have lost the meaning of my post.

I know none of these people, but I can say that I enjoyed some of the movies that were made and I like the way song some of the songs were handled.

I so enjoyed singing and playing my guitar, songs like �Mist� and �How do you keep the music playing� � they were touching something inside of me.

John C.

Sorry John C, this was not an attack on you or your sentiments (in fact, I mostly agree with them), just your references. I guess I'm a little sensitive about who we tend to hold up as heroes.

chas

Chas, All is fine, when you get my age you not only get more sensitive you also get grumpy. Ha ha ha

John C.