This forum really appears to be degenerating into something of an old boys club populated by a small clique of crusty old souls, one of whom has taken it upon himself to display a holier-than-thou stance and, unfortunately, even Nigel, who threatened to remove a contributor's comments (well, I suppose it is 'your' site, sir) is seeming to side with him.

In a recent topic, "Adding a Sub", Ender4TrackMind, presumed to be a young person, as though that were some impediment, made some valid points in his/her posts which were quickly shot down with some rather caustic comments (the very 'crime' deemed to have been committed by Ender4TrackMind, but now without the threat of expulsion) by one of the aforementioned 'old boys club' members, who, for no more reason than having been playing for a greater length of time, makes the misguided self-assumption that that fact alone is qualification enough to make his opinion weightier than that of an assumed novice.

I'm no youngster myself at 61 and experience has taught me that something can be learned from anyone regardless of age, gender, etc., and to demonstrate otherwise is, at best, foolhardy and, at worst, displaying a staggering degree of ignorance.

Free speech is for everyone, young and old alike. Let's not forget that.



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Guilty as charged.
I'm always open to new information, but sometimes it's hard to take seriously when presented in such a beligerent manner as was that message.
How about I keep my "mouth" shut unless asked?
DonM


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What's a shame is that someone always tries to play the middle man. Let the boys play (or argue, as the case may be). I like reading all the input; it keeps my blood pumping - and even gets more people involved.

Maby I'm missing something, but I fail to see why civility and mutual respect in sharing ideas, experiences and technical
information shouldn't be the standard here.

russ

I agree, Captain, but we can't always be civil. Sometimes that little button just gets pressed or someone's in a rotten mood, or someone's just rotten. In any case, we seem to get it straightened out in the end. In the meantime, the exchange of words and ideas is intriguing - IMO.

No worries, DonM. I've opened my trap a few times, too.

cassp, captain Russ: That's cool, free speech is the name of the game.

This, unfortunately, is the nature of the written word. Some people master it, most do not. Unspoken communcation is lost in written words thus readers will tend to personalize the words as Pompous, or arrogant, or angry, or whatever.

The bottom line is we are communicating and that's the most positive thing that happens around here even though we are all a bunch of old crusty coots.

Speak for yourself...

I'm sure most of us have the purest of intentions in our sharing of knowledge. I know I do.

What knowledge?

Who you callin a moldy rusty boot sonny?

Now that's more like the SZ I've grown to love.

Ive delt with so much ???? here I don't offer up advice as often as I can, cause I know its just going to be shot down by those with less experience then I. My first day here I was flamed for my views on recording related things, after my studio background and credits were stated.

Heck this is the very board where I was slandered to be using obscure references, when I brought up the Barkays in relation to funk ":P

Plus that slight of "kid" was used on me before here, and that backfired as I had a few songs floating around at that time...where the collective might of the boards wasn't even able to approach just rhythm guitar work. So the greater amount of play time some members might have is kinda moot.

For some reason the majority here that does nothing more then play midi cover tunes with factory presets...somehow wants total and complete respect. Then gets up in arms when you dont speak from the same limited perspective "ahhh you dont do bad midi covers what do you know."

Anyhow I well aware that my direct nature can put some off...oh well.

Ahh, new name, same abrasive poster. You know, I thought it might be you earlier on. Actually, your comments this time around weren't/aren't that abrasive or off base. There has been a big move on this forum lately to go to super-small setups. I caught it when I first suggested that Logitechs weren't 'pro' enough for commercial gigs. But I have been silenced by those who swear by them. So, who am I to criticize another's choice in equipment when it doesn't match my opinion? Actually, I like the differences of opinion because it helps all of us to broaden our perspectives. As the saying goes, I may disagree with your opinion, but I will fight for your right to speak that opinion. Abrasiveness can sometimes be rough on the ego, but...

Cassp, I agree!

You are completely wrong. You may not have seen the offensive remark used to complete the posting before I edited it out. Usually I don't waste my time editing and just remove the entire posting. But in this case I decided to give the poster the benefit of the doubt and I just removed the offensive line. How do you see that as me siding with someone ? If anyone posts something that is blatantly abusive I will remove it no matter what the point of view is. And I only warn about it once.



This was not a matter of freedom of speech but about being offensive to the other BBS members. You are not free to be abusive. This is a private BBS, freedom of speech is no more guaranteed here than you'd allow strangers to walk into your own living room and say whatever they want.

Having said that, this thread is now closed.



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