Because of those negativ post I will not post any demo here. ( you will every time find something wrong in ) Please Splading give me some you demo. IF you are having.

You don't know what posibble to do with MS. And with your offensive you will never know. So if you want to see real thing you can join as on CAMFROG ARRANGER CONFERENCE ROOM, I will be glad to hear something from you but not as offensive.

But please don't say that this is the worst demo. Fran done good job but you are listening that with your eyes not with ears. He shows you that you are not ready for open sys keyboards.

Spalding you don�t know anything about MS. I told you, that for this keyboard you need time. About styles: they are not so wick as you are explaining us. Fran is having old board. ( I hope that you know.) But with new sounds that Domenic gave us for free is this keyboard more powerful and also futures that are ready are good.

Sorry NIGEL I don't want to hurt somebody, but this attacking every day is angry me every day more and more.


BEST REGARDS.





[This message has been edited by Magica Alfa (edited 02-01-2007).]

I agree with you 100 percent, Alfa.

Spalding, every time you say it's your last post on the subject you come back with more. We all know by now that you and your co-horts don't like the MS so you're really starting to sound like a broken record.



[This message has been edited by Taike (edited 02-01-2007).]

Did i start attacking ? when did i do that ? Fran said that he used the worst sounds of the MS. Did i misqoute him ? I simply questioned why use the worst sounds ? Surely it would have been better to use the best ? I asked for a demo showing the instruments "open " capabilities . It is an "open system ", i asked for that to be demonstrated. Should i not have asked ? Why is that considered attacking language ? I dont get it.

How much time does it take for someone to work with the MS to make it sound better ? This is serious because i need to know what kind of adjustments need to be made to the instrument to make it sound at least comparable to other closed system top end instruments. Was my comment about the comparrison with an entry level casio harsh ?If so i apologise right here and now without reservation. Magic Alpha what instrument would you feel would be a more acurate comparrison ? I genuinely want to know.

Taike. I commented on this thread concerning Ensnareyou's opinion of the MS as heis in the unique position of owning both the MS and wersi both of which are "open system " arrangers. Seeing as neither the MS manaufacturers or other interested parties seem able to provide a decent demo i have simply asked a user of the MS and wersi of their opinion of both .

I want to like the MS. I really do , i think it has real potential and i would love to see the top three manufacturers have to work harder for my money but from all the talk going back and forth i am still trying to find evidence that it is nolonger just potentially a great arranger/workstation. There is enough evidence out there to condemn the instrument.(please dont take that the wrong way Fran or Magic Alfa) Thats not the purpose of my questions. You guys are convinced its the next best thing to sliced bread, on what do you base that confidence ?

Thats all i am trying to establish.

If i have spoken out of place Nigel then pm me and let me know.

Taike, magic Alfa and whoever else, if you want to be selective in reading motives into my posts read this

"I might even be bothered to put in the work if i could hear a demo where perhaps you Dom have actually put in the work so that it at least sounds comparable with other topline arrangers. I am not trying to bring either you or your product down. I wish you every success with this forward thinking venture but you will only get honest feedback frokm me. Thats all. No offence intended.The MS is supposed to be a high end arranger. Wheres the evidence ?"

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[This message has been edited by spalding4 (edited 02-01-2007).]

Guys I used the GM bank [Dream chip] to record the Tango..I called it the worst because it is the GM bank..It is as good as any other GM bank I have heard on any arranger..
I recorded a Samba with the MS , using Hyper Canvas, and M-Audio Key Rig for the organ comp[B4 is much better, but I wanted to show VST software that you can buy today ..way under $200..Matter of fact Hyper Canvas is closed out at $50 and I paid $75 for Key Rig..

I just wanted to show how other instruments can be used..if you want to take the time to load these programs..BTW ..the VST programs are also GM default without edits..

I am sure , we are not going to convince anyone with a "closed" mind ..the benefits of an "open" end keyboard..


Just wanted to contribute another way to hear the MS..
http://download.yousendit.com/FD45422C03668005

Seem like that here you missing me...

I'm not worried at all because you really don't know what we are cooking here and no one of my MS clients have the new ISO 1.4 for testing.
Here are some of the new features that we have included in the ISO 1.4: http://www.lionstracs.com/store/msiso-14-p-152.html

The MS sounds now totally different, because we have skipped the old GM/GS DSP and all the sounds now are primary under GIGA format. Of course we have leave in the system the old DSP Soundbank mode too because some nice sounds we can always use for some settings.
Here are some new GIGA demos and you can hear the new difference sunds quality:
http://www.lionstracs.com/store/informat...e4e1e445b890bf4

The new OS system is working now basic under GIGA format, where is also possible now loading in background multiple GIGA sounbank, like the Tyros 2 sounds and the orintal sounds.
The Qsampler is our basic Sound mapper: http://www.lionstracs.com/store/images/LSampler4.jpg
where is really EASY to insert/edit new sounds in the map file and up to 16.000 giga sounds mapping are possible.
Here is the demo of the mapping file that will come out form the qsampler:
http://www.lionstracs.com/demo/sampler4/LSinstruments.txt

I had try to mapping the E-80, but is a lot of work, because the E-80 have more than 1000 sounds, the G-70 have much more work, because have more than 1600 sounds.
Mapping the Tyros 2 is really easy, because have only 502 sounds at all, same for the SD5,less than 400 sounds.

So...with the qsampler now is really EASY to remap and clone every keyboards sounds bank and ehn you will loading the original brand styles, the MS editor will automatically send the all right program change/variation and controllers to the Linuxsampler, wher the LS 4.0 now, with the right TXT map file can play the all sounds that you like, unlimited.

Hey guys...this DO NOT man that I have to give you the all sounds for FREE that you need, when we have here new GIGA sounds developed from our sounds engineers, we will always give you for free, like our last soundbank 8200: http://www.lionstracs.com/store/giga-soundbank-8200v6-p-161.html

For sure some sounds are not so amazing, but anyway you wil have for FREE more than 1660 GIGA sounds.

IF you dont like our FREE sounds, you can also BUY from other company or people that will sell you 1 nice 30-40Mb Tyros 2 piano for 50 euro ( and then waiting 7/20 minute for loading it and play...)

I'm not here to criticize nobody, you know there that I like post more technical question and I think that I resevere nice reply too and not attack.

For your know, my partners have buy one Korg Oasys 76 too and we use for our strange sounds production.
This is the company of my partners: http://www.mediarec.it
So..we dont have notigh to learn how to make and records music.

I have tested last week the OASYS too in the studios, really one AMAZING syntesizer with the modelling sounds, BUT we use it ONLY connected by Midi IN with the MAC, Pro Tools interface, Logic Audio 7 and TON of VST plugins.
If we have to use the internal Oasys 16 tracks sequencer and the only 16bit resolution, I think is better that we change our work or we will never sell new songs!
They use one Mediastation X-76 Pro too, only with the Ardour DAW for remastering new CD compilation and for the Demo/Video Clips http://www.ardour.org/files/main-screenshot-big.png

So..after this long post...just wait some more days untill we merge in the code the last features and then we release the new OS 1.4.
MS users...just a little patience and then you will have fun again to posting here..is a promise.
Cheers

Hi there. I'm new to posting on this forum, but have been reading the postings for about 6 months now.
With regards to the Mediastation which I have heard, to me you pay �2500 plus for something that is basically a glorified master keyboard with a few sounds thrown in as a bonus. If you want to make it sound better, you have to shell out humdreds of pounds on giga samples and VST programs.
I can understand why Fran likes it, after all it has got a huge GM set for playing back SMF files
As for the demos, enough said. This is not and never will be an arranger keyboard. It's trying to be too many things at once and failing, instead of being good at just a few things. I can't fault Dom for trying but after a few years since this was released, you'd have thought the styles would at least sound better than a Casio or some low end PSR by now

I think I should clarify something first about the 'sound' of the Oasys.

I wasn't trying to say it was better or worse than any other keyboard/workstation/arranger. What I was trying to say, in a very clumsy way it seems, was that the 'sound' of the Oasys is different in ways very few, if any, other Keyboards out there can match. That is why I used 'sound' instead of sound.

It's like how how modelled sounds can be made to interact with other modelled sound or the fact that the fidelity of the Oasys's Rom based sounds are way up there in the quality stakes compared to almost every other keyboard available.

As for the debate going on here, (and there is nothing wrong with a passionate debate on any subject so I have no problem with taking part in, or reading such debates at all! ) in regards to the quality of demos for this or that keyboard..... If a keyboard has high quality sounds then posting up demos that are poorly recorded or use "the worse sounds' makes no sense to me. That does simply sound like a bunch of excuses to make up for a lack of quality for the keyboard in question.

We *all* tend to be biased towards the keyboards we own or have owned and I am no exception. For example, I sing the praises of my good old JD800/990's that I own (I have four now in total), all the time and yet I know, that for some people and their tastes the JD's are nothing special but for me, and my own tastes in music and sounds, the JDs take a lot of beating for that particular type of synth. I wouldn;t part with them for the world and yet, I also know that if I relaly wanted to I could recreate those sounds via one of my other keyboards. Not exactly, no.. but close enough. However, it's not just ablut the sounds themselves, but how the keyboard feels generally, that is equally important to me as well as the fact I know my way around the JDs, inside and out so of course, to me, the JDs are great becaue I have that level of experience using them!

Finally, I just want to point out that there is a world of difference between stating a fact as a fact and stating an opinion.

If someone says "Keyboard X doesn't do this" when it does, then that is factually incorrect.

If someone says "Keyboard X doesn't do this as well as I would like it to" then that is an opinion and if expressed as such, is valid in that person's mind.

When I saw a couple of facts that were incorrect, I was simply correcting those facts. This is because facts should be kept very seperate to opinions and if one quotes facts then the person stating the fact should always ensure his facts are accurate to the best of his knowledge. If those facts are incorrect then it's ok for someone else to correct him and state the real facts.

However, when I saw opinions that were different to mine, I was simply expressing my own opinions on those subjects. That is called discussion and debate and I would hope that, this form of discussion is both welcomed and useful to anyone reading these posts.

(I also note that sometimes, having to use English, when it is not your primary language, can cause difficulties during translation, so I try and bear that in mind too.)

Okay.. time to step off my soapbox.. Nice forum you have here and an interesting read indeed!

Cheers..

Nigel


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I think Craig is back....

Everyone has the right to their own opinions. I think peoples opinions will change when Dom releases the next update. Did anyone really read what all is in the very near future for the Mediastation? The specs of this upcoming update are very impressive.

Hopefully we can get owners to put out some good demos when the updates are released. I honestly think people will change their minds with this keyboard. There are some major changes and additions with this update too.