Looks like a scaled down Tyros to me...so those who complained about wasted real estate and the Tyros being a mute.....here it is.
Terry

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Terry http://imjazzed.homestead.com/Index.html

Boy that thing looks really good I wonder what the keys are like.. Anyone know if they're using a better keybed, or maybe the same keybed as the Tyros?

Squeak

now that we have the photo ,soon we should have the info,mike

Are we even sure this is the real thing ? Maybe it is but.... A lot of us have seen these early "PICTURES" before, only to find out later that they were just the figment of someone's imagination.. someone who is pretty good with Photo shop or some other graphics program. PA1x ? Anyone remember the composite using the Trinity screen ?

AJ

If you look at it closely, on the right hand side it says PSR 2000 and then if you look really close it simply has the Tyros screen pasted on. LOL, gotcha!

Tom

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Tomcat, I don't see PSR-2000... I see PSR-3000 on the right side... I'm qutie familiar with graphic programs, and was a graphic designer at a local print shop. If this is a fake, it's a damn good one. Generally when someone mixes pictures, it takes some work to make sure the shadows are appropriate. Light casting will always give up a fake photo. When I look at this one, again if it's a fake, I'd like to shake the hand of the person that did it because some time and effort went into it

Squeak

this photo was posted on my forum by a functionary of Yamaha Music & Electronics (China) Co., Ltd. Shanghai Office.
I think it is true.

please look the posts at http://dzq.01-world.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=1651

It's not a 2000 because it has three buttons for intro and three for endings, plus the other switchs are all in new locations.
I don't remember that much about the Tyros locations.
Yamaha has done it again--has everyone speculating about a keyboard that doesn't exist yet.
DonM

I've already received the new product catalog from Yamaha last week and there are pictures of all the new products. I have been showing the pictures of the new PSR1500 and PSR3000 and I can tell you that the picture you are seing here is the same product in my catalog.
George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California

It is the Real McCoy as they say. If you notice look carefully at the different buttons. There ARE three Intro and three Ending buttons now. The Multipad buttons are laid out different. Some of the buttons on LCD are DIFFERENT than the Tyros LCD so it couldn't simply be a paste of the Tyros' LCD. Notice if you will the area where the Floppy Drive is. Guess what? It doesn't look like a Floppy Drive to me it looks like (and I pray it is) a Smart Media Card slot. Although my real preference would have been an "SD - Secure Digital" Card slot. But I will be happy if it's only SM. The only thing that gives me a little reservation about this photo is you know where it says PSR 3000 just under the PSR 2000/2100's insignia it lists all the file formats of that particular Board. But the PSR 3000 photo doesn't display that info. Maybe Yamaha was in a rush to get the photo posted and it was an oversight OR Yamaha hasn't yet decided or finalized yet all of the File formats it WILL support and be implemented into the PSR 3000. Here you go:

Now start looking closely at the different buttons and you will see this is no doctored photo: http://keybplayer.tripod.com/PSR-3000.jpeg

Best regards,
Mike

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Looks like the real McCoy to me! George, assuming you'll be among the first U.S. dealers to have one in stock, we'll be looking for your unbiased reviews sometime in the near future.

Happy New Year,

Gary

For the sake of your Browser and for having to scroll back and forth I'll just post the link to my photo of the PSR 3000. If you use Windows XP you can expand the photo further by mousing over the photo and near the right side click the "Expand" icon to show the normal size.

Thanks George for comfirming my impression of the photo.

Terry you're a riot!! LOL That's funny. They sure didn't waste ANY space on the PSR 3000 - which is a good thing IYAM.

Best regards,
Mike

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Sylion: MANY thanks for posting the 'for real' picture of the PSR3000. Terrific cosmetic design & layout. This looks to be a natural PSR2100 upgrade progression, basically adding a color LCD, dedicated intro (3)/ending (3) buttons, megavoices, with the Tyros' more sleek anglar (vs rounded) design lines, all squeezed into the body of a PSR2000/21000 sized shell, and with absolutely no wasted real estate! It also appears that the mic gain/trim knob remain on the back of the keyboard as in the PSR2100. The speakers even look a tad larger (possibly providing even better sound) than the PSR2000/2100. The BIG question remains is whether the PSR3000 will retain the same keys (flimsy) & feel (spongy) as its 2000/2100 predesessor. I hope not. The other BIG question is whether the PSR3000 is going to include a FLASH ROM OS or not. This was advertised & listed as included in the Yamaha PSR2000 literature, but then suddenly omitted (without notice). It will be interesting to see what Yamaha does with the PSR3000. I expect the PSR3000 to include USB connectivity as the 2100 has, so would think that a Flash ROM OS would only make sense for convenient user downloadable OS updates, and a cost saving
measure for Yamaha.

BTW: News flash: Just sold my PSR2000 (to a friend who lives locally), and part of the agreement is that I can borrow it back in the event of a gig emmergency if ever my Tyros should go out unexpectantly. Without the 2000, I'm now pretty certain I'm going to be getting the PSR3000 when it hits the shores of California. It looks to be an good onboard speaker ultra lightweight small package arranger keyboard solution. If Yamaha implements both the Tyros' keys and a hard drive, compact flash (or other mass storage device) in the PSR3000, it would be pure PERFECTION! I love dreaming.

I have a LONG night ahead of me. See you all next year (tomorrow) . . . Happy New Year 2004 to all !

Scott

Where can we see a picture of the PSR-1500?

Squeak

Decent Key feel and smartmedia or other acceptable storage = Purchase by Bluezplayer

AJ

I guess I'm in the minority, but I love the keys on the 2000-2100. I do wish they were full size, but they are so easy to play. No hard pushing as is necessary on piano keys.
Takes all kinds, huh?
DonM

george,is the info in the catalogue as well,mike

I'm looking at the pictures of both the 1500 and the 3000. They look exactly the same except that the display on the 1500 is not a color display. Both display lyrics and notation. The 1500 is 96 note polyphony compared to 128. Organ modeling on both. 793 voices including sweet and cool on the 1500. Sweet, Col and Mega voices on the 3000.210 styles on the 1500 vs 240 styles on the 3000. 16 track sequencer (32 tracks over usb) on both. Smart media slot on both. Direct to Internet connection on both. USB "to device" to connect USB storage devices (thumb drives, FDDs, etc.). video out on the 3000. 2 MB flash rom user storage on the 3000 (I don't know what is on the 1500 (probably 1/2) ). On the 3000 "you also get the styles from the tyros and new ones including styles targeted directly to the US worship market."
George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California

hey George ---

does this (the 3000 brochure) mean we can't expect a 76 key arranger from Yamaha at NAMM?

thanks in advance...and happy new year everybody!

thanks george,it looks like the upgrade we have been looking for,fingers crossed the keyfeel is improved,mike

Hello............I too agree with DonM. I have always liked the feel of my PSR2000s keys. I have no problems with touch response...........but then I was never a piano player. I always played organs with softer keys. Looking at the pix if the 3000, I'll bet it uses the same keys as before. The entire construction looks the same, just more of the same style buttons, wheels and LEDs. Should I be more excited at the color screen?? Do the colors really tell you more info, or is it mearly cosmetic? I'm hoping the real improvements are in the internal technology and mostly the sound!!

rattley
What the color screen on the Tyros does allows for quicker more intuitive differentiation between the different functions.
Terry

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I really hope they DID change the key feel and maybe used the Tyros setup ( which I could live with ), but my guess is that they probably didn't. There realy isn't any way to tell 'til someone actually can play the thing, unless Steve wants to chime in with a "trade secret".

AJ

If PSR3000 color screen were as big as Tyros one, it would be a great advantage.
But PSR3000 screen has a similar size as PSR2000, it is not Tyros screen at all.
So, probably color allows only a best visual pleasure, not more.

And
where can we see PSR3000 information on the net?

Hi Don
There are a few of us in this minority. I also like the key-feel on the PSR2000. When I got my Tyros, it was the worst thing trying to adjust to the difference. Since I got my Tyros, my RSI/Carpal Tunnel has started to act up again. I had very little of it when I was playing my PSR2000. I guess it's all a matter of what you are used to and how you trained, etc.
You are not alone in liking the PSR2000 keys. Of course, all the piano players will disagree.

Tom G.

http://sylion.sycic.com.cn/lsy/PSR-1500.jpg

sylion's Server is loading really slow and seems to be having problems. Here is another link to the PSR 1500 that should load much faster:

PSR 1500

Best regards,
Mike

Btw, I think the PSR 1500 has a better cosmetic look than the PSR 3000. If people can live with 96 note Polyphony and no Color LCD and a few less Cool! and Live! Voices the PSR 1500 would be the board to get plus you'll probably save at least $300 in the process.

George, what is it again besides what I stated above, that the PSR 3000 has that the PSR 1500 doesn't have? Also, on the Broadband Connectivity, is that just for downloading from the Yamaha Store site, ie., Styles, Midi's, etc., or will there indeed be the ablility to update the OS that way or at all? Or has Yamaha tied your hands to discuss anything further knowing that at anytime the feature list could change because they're in the very earliest phase of implementation and design?

Best regards,
Mike

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What was polyphony on the DX7, 8 notes?
DonM

I can't figure out why the flash rom 'user memory' remains so pathetically LOW, especially considering how cheap memory is these days. I had hoped that PSR3000 would have included at least 10 mg 'user memory' Flash rom.

Unfortunately, the 'Music Finder' (on the Tyros & all earlier PSRs) cannot access styles located on the hard drive or on floppy. Regretably the current Tyros/PSR Music Finder can only access/load styles from Preset or user memory, so having only 2 MB of 'user memory' severely limits the number of custom styles available.

On the other hand, if the PSR3000 Music Finder is able to access styles stored on Smart Media Card, then the above Music Finder limitation is solved. George or anyone else have the answer to this? - Scott

Boy that PSR-1500 looks nice.. Is that a modulation wheel too Finally Yamaha added the modulation wheel... Plus the poly is good too.. I wonder if they raised the poly because of the voice memory. I guess they added voices that are possible 3 elements or more...

Squeak

Don, how soon we forget..The DX7 was 16 polyphony..

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Fran . . . yeah, and even with that, it still provides 6 notes extra polyphony over what you could ever play with 2 hands. - Scott

Another big question is how many watts are we looking at driving those speakers. We all know the PSR 2000/2100 is 12 Watts each. It would be a shame to have all of those new features and Yamaha stick with the same 12 Watt Speakers. The PSR 9000 had 26 Watt each Speakers. It would really be a boon to sales IMO to have at LEAST 26 Watt speakers on the PSR 3000. If they were 50 Watt each people would be tripping over things and trampling on each other and breaking down the doors to buy them. That being of course if they were actually decent quality and excellent sounding. The KN7000 is King when it comes to great sounding onboard speakers. Yamaha can take that prize to themselves if the PSR 3000 provides spell binding awe inspiring great sounding in your face sonic perfection - (close to it hopefully ) - speakers.

Speaking of sonic perfection, I received my Morel MDT tweeters (from partsexpress.com) today and hooked them up to my Pioneer HPM-100 speakers (the BEST speakers EVER to come out of Japan IMO BTW!!) I played some songs through them and once again they are performing just fantastic! PS: If you didn't know the original factory tweeters gave out after being exposed to high Mic feedback. Hopefully I've eliminated any chance of that happening again.

Morel makes super duper speakers and they are one of only a handful of excellent Professional quality high end speaker makers out there. And if you've never auditioned a set of Pioneer HPM-100 speakers in person then you have NO IDEA what I'm talking about. They put other speakers costing 10x as much to shame, literally. If you ever happen to run across a Pair for Sale that are in great shape don't hesitate to snatch 'em up!! You won't be sorry I guarantee. Just remember to Drive them with a quality Power Amplifier. If you Drive them with an underpowered Amp you will almost assuredly ruin them. Oh, and pardon my reveling and boasting about my HPM's but when something so sonically beautiful sounding fills the air it is hard not to SHOUTTTTTT!!!!! about it.

NOTE: The HPM-100's were originally made in the late 1970's and early 80's. They are hard to find nowadays but you can still find them, although not cheap. Unless you just happen to get fortunate. Like I did!!!

Back to the PSR 3000. If they still have the same ol' 12 Watters I for one would think long and hard before I would consider getting one. And during that long and hard contemplation I would probably talk myself out of getting it because of the lack of better sonic quality speakers vs. my PSR 2000's which has 12 Watt speakers already.

Okay I'll shut up, for now.

Best regards,
Mike

Is that 8 sliders I see on the bottom of the LCD display??? hoooray!

Wow... they finally replaced the annoying buttons!

puzk: I don't think so. As much as I'd prefer physical sliders too, I'm pretty sure that those are just the same upper/lower toggle type buttons included on the 2100.

Does the PSR3000 replace the PSR2100 and the PSR1500 replace the PSR1100 or are they new models to full the gaps be PSR1100 and PSR2100 and between PSR2100 and Tyros?
Starkeeper