I would like to have your opinion on this.
I need to acquire a pair of speakers. I am tried by 12 inches because they are lighter and more handy than the 15 inches.
What do you think about it?
The goal is to animate evenings of 100 or maximum 150 people.

Thanks in advance

STAM

PS: I think about the HKaudio PR112.
They seems to be a good deal (weight-dimensions-power-price)

Stam,

If you're playing for 150 people and playing dance music, you need 15-inch speakers. !2-inch speakers just don't have sufficient bass response for larger venues. Take a look at the Barbetta Sona 32-Cs at www.barbetta.com

Cheers,

Gary

Count my vote for 15" speakers as well.

Al

If you visit some forums where they discuss speakers, they take Barbettas to the slaughter house. I'd take a 12" EV or Mackie above most 15" speakers out there. Just my .02

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Barbettas 15" Sona 32c are my choice....Excellent Sound!

Listen and learn!

Roy-Andrè...

What's the Barbetta rub? I've heard nothing but good things about them on this forum.

My vote goes to 15"

Thank you all for your input.

The Barbetta looks to be a good choice but I am not sure to find them in Europe. ??

Don't you think that a pair of 12-inch (for small gigs) combined with a 18 or 15-inch sub (only for larger venues) can be an alternative?

Ugh, carrying 2 speakers AND a sub-woofer is a lot of work and in my opinion unnecessary with 15" speakers. To me, the Barbettas are over priced. I purchased a PMX2000 powered mixer to run stereo into two old Sunn 15" speakers I had laying around. They sound great for all venues and it only cost me $259 for the amp (new) and about $100 for the speakers. Good thing about this setup is you can always swap out the speakers if you don't like them without having to ditch the amp.

Al

STAM,
if I were you, I'd go visit the http://live-audio.com/.
Here you get a very good idea about what speakers to get. A bunch of knowledgable people there too. Barbettas aren't even mentioned. Good luck!

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The Barbettas are keyboard amps, maybe that is why they are not listed in the Pa group..Maybe the Barbetta owners have no complaints and have no need to post on that chat site..Some of us just know what works and do not have to consult with "knowledgable" people..I don't own Barbettas, but I know they are good.

Keyboard amp or not I would say is not the issue. If you sing and have a drum machine, you are still using a frequency range that needs a decent PA. I would also say that advising people to ignore a forum is rather ignorant. Ok, I apologize if I hurt someones feeling with my Barbetta comment, I just mentioned a discussion in a forum of a competitors forum, forget I mentioned it! The general concencus is that 15" speakers are far from ideal for vocals. The gap from 15" to 1,25" horn and tweeter can be rather big, meaning that as you turn the volume up, you start to lose mids because the prime frequencies for a tweeter and a 15" horn start taking up the increase in power. Therefore a 12" is better suited, less gap, less clipping and loss of mids where the vocal and lot of percussion and the guitar frequencies lay.

Hey,
I'm really happy with my Behringer Ultrawave B300. Got it at $314. That's a heck of a good price for this powered speaker. The only drawback it's heavy!! http://www.music123.com/Item/?itemno=10214

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http://www.chipos.com/beachbum/

Lets see now--Dave sings, Donny sings, I sing, and nearly every keyboard player I've met in the past 20 years sings and nearly all prefer the sounds coming from a 15-inch speaker over the sounds coming from a 12-inch speaker. Some of the bigger bands, such as The Hubcaps, have much larger speakers, but I've never seen them using a 12-inch anything. The last time I performed using 12-inch speakers, even after a lot of EQ work, I was not at all happy with the quality of both the keyboard and the vocals. During the second set I switched to the 15's and everything sounded considerably better. My advice is: If you're going to do this stuff for a living, then put the best sound out to your audience you possibly can produce. If you want good, solid bass, you'll have to move lots of air. There's no question that you can move a lot more air with a 15-inch speaker than you can move with a 12-incher. Just MHO!

Good Luck,

Gary

I played bass guitar in bands for many years and my choice was multiple 10" speakers over 12" or 15". Smaller speakers can pump as much bass and air as bigger speakers but you need more of them. They tend to have a much better midrange response than bigger speakers.

Your main consideration is the distance over which you wish to project the sound. 15" have good bass response but only over a long distance. It takes a lot for the wave from a 15" to develop. They are not so good for personal stage monitoring which is why I liked 4 x 10" for bass onstage which was very punchy onstage but didn't throw so far that it would interfere with the front of house PA mix.

But if the speakers are your main source of audio for your performance then 15" will fill a room well.

Beachbum,

That is exactly what I think.
All the salesmen whom I met make the eloge of B300 but for me all cases their important weight (30 kg) are a reason for exclusion. Too bad.

Has somebody test these systems made up of a sub connected to 2 satellites?
They are 3 ways systems and some offer interesting levels of power.

I'm running twin 15's with 10x4 horns.
....Just my thots...

Having worked in the speaker manufacturing most of my working life. Nigel is correct, a small cone multiple configuration produces better overall (CLEAN BASS) and better CLARITY.
The reason is smaller cones respond faster to transients and the stopping and starting of the signal.

Graham UK

I guess this explains the reason I like the sound of the two 10" woofers included in my 'single unit' Motion Sound KP100S stereo PA so much. Thanks Nigel & Graham for your explaination. - Scott

I happen to play in a band that has
two JBL EON G2(15") powered speakers,
and one Mackie SRM 450 (12"). The Mackie,
against my recommendations(but the singer
owns the PA), is used as a monitor; and
the two Eons as the Mains.
Let me tell you that the Mackie kicks the
Eon G2's. Just more presence, clarity, and
punch. In the case of the Mackie, 12" is
actually better than the 15" JBLs.
I do have a question- would a Behringer
PMX2000 with two passive Mackie 12" speakers
sound inferior to two powered SRM450s?

I would go with the SRM450's myself. Each SRM450 has 400W RMS of power while the PMX2000 has a 'total' of 500W. With 2 SRM 450's that gives you a total of "800W" RMS output power. Plus you'll have less gear to lug around too. The Behringer PMX2000 plus passive speakers would be a less expensive option though. The PMX plus 2 Mackie C300's would be a few hundred less than 2 SRM450's but like I said, you would be lugging more gear around. That's a good enough reason in itself to go with the SRM450's.

Best regards,
Mike

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