From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Mon May 10 23:37:46 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA03000; Mon, 10 May 93 23:37:45 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA13494; Mon, 10 May 93 23:34:00 PDT Received: from post.demon.co.uk by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA07832; Mon, 10 May 93 23:34:51 PDT Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa14983; 11 May 93 7:32 BST Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 07:32:06 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: Nick Rothwell X-Sender: (Unverified) Subject: Re: Creation of D70 Mailing List Message-Id: <9305110732.aa14983@post.demon.co.uk> Status: OR >4 - Enable the D-70 to transmit the positions of the Tone Palette Sliders > to MIDI. This way you can record e.g. pan, cutoff and resonance in > real time. This is AFAIK the default; I've done it without any special power-up sequences. The protocol is controller messages on the control channel, affecting the selected "Keyboard Part". The "4" power-up sequence might alter the functionality - I don't know - all I've noticed is that I get the legend "[KY]" appear on the system page. I don't know what it means. Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk From island!guam.island.COM!kin@uunet.UU.NET Tue May 11 09:55:16 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA03087; Tue, 11 May 93 09:55:15 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA15222; Tue, 11 May 93 09:48:39 PDT Received: from relay2.UU.NET by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA21094; Tue, 11 May 93 09:49:33 PDT Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA02543; Tue, 11 May 93 12:50:35 -0400 Received: from island.UUCP by spool.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 124859.2241; Tue, 11 May 1993 12:48:59 EDT Received: from guam.island.com by island.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02753; Tue, 11 May 93 08:51:07 PDT Received: by guam.island.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09556; Tue, 11 May 93 08:52:49 PDT Date: Tue, 11 May 93 08:52:49 PDT From: kin@guam.island.COM (Kin Blas) Message-Id: <9305111552.AA09556@guam.island.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov, cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Creation of D70 Mailing List Cc: kin@guam.island.COM Status: OR Powering up with the number 4 button down toggles the D-70's ability to transimit Note ons and and Note offs on the control channel, so the D-70 can actually broadcast on 5 DIFFERENT MIDI channels at the same time. The control channel is not affected by the Tone/Zone/Split settings of the MIDI Palette. The "[KY]" on the System page means that the D-70 is not transmitting the Note Ons and Offs on the control channel. By the way, I learned this from the "Up and Running with the D-70" video put out by Roland. --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com > From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Tue May 11 01:48:37 1993 > To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov > X-Sender: (Unverified) > Subject: Re: Creation of D70 Mailing List > Content-Length: 668 > X-Lines: 13 > > >4 - Enable the D-70 to transmit the positions of the Tone Palette Sliders > > to MIDI. This way you can record e.g. pan, cutoff and resonance in > > real time. > > This is AFAIK the default; I've done it without any special power-up > sequences. The protocol is controller messages on the control channel, > affecting the selected "Keyboard Part". The "4" power-up sequence might > alter the functionality - I don't know - all I've noticed is that I get the > legend "[KY]" appear on the system page. I don't know what it means. > > Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk > CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk > > From broe@krypton.dfv.rwth-aachen.de Wed May 12 23:01:58 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA03994; Wed, 12 May 93 23:01:57 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA11633; Wed, 12 May 93 22:58:04 PDT Received: from sally.informatik.rwth-aachen.de by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA11148; Wed, 12 May 93 22:58:56 PDT Received: from urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de by sally.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/sally-2) id AA15827; Thu, 13 May 93 08:00:16 +0200 Received: from dfv.rwth-aachen.de (zruty.dfv.rwth-aachen.de) by urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/urmel-8) id AA01290; Thu, 13 May 93 07:59:57 +0200 Received: by dfv.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/dfvr.2.3) id AA13814; Thu, 13 May 93 08:01:46 +0200 Received: by krypton.dfv.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/dfvo.1.2) id AA19991; Thu, 13 May 93 08:04:27 +0200 Date: Thu, 13 May 93 08:04:27 +0200 From: broe@krypton.dfv.rwth-aachen.de (Frank Breier) Message-Id: <9305130604.AA19991@krypton.dfv.rwth-aachen.de> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Program Change for Performances Status: OR Hi Roland-Freaks, is it possible to change the performance via MIDI with Program Changes without wasting one seperate channel (Control Channel) for it. If I use e.g. channel 1 for one sound, I`m not able to use channel 1 as control channel. Is this right, are there other possibilities ?? Thanks in advance & greetings from good old germany, Frank Breier (broe@dfv.rwth-aachen.de) From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Fri May 14 03:01:35 1993 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 23:36:32 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: Nick Rothwell X-Sender: (Unverified) Subject: Re: Creation of D70 Mailing List Message-Id: <9305110732.aa14983@post.demon.co.uk> Status: OR >Powering up with the number 4 button down toggles the D-70's ability >to transimit Note ons and and Note offs on the control channel, so >the D-70 can actually broadcast on 5 DIFFERENT MIDI channels at the >same time. I'm confused. 5 channels at once? By default, the D-70 transmits on the control channel and (I think) the channel of the current Keyboard Part. I don't see that I'd want five channels at once, more than one is too many... It looks as if I'd better investigate this further. Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Fri May 14 03:01:35 1993 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 23:36:53 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: Nick Rothwell X-Sender: (Unverified) Subject: Re: D-70 Waveform and Parameter cards... Message-Id: <9305110732.aa14983@post.demon.co.uk> Status: OR > I'd also like some comments on the SN-U110 Sound Effects card if anyone >has it. I have it. What do you want to know? I can give you a rundown on the sounds. In conjunction with the D-70's resonant multimode filtering, you can do some rather creative stuff with the card... A friend of mine uses it for drum maps... Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk From island!guam.island.COM!kin@uunet.UU.NET Thu May 13 09:17:59 1993 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 May 93 09:45:50 PDT From: kin@guam.island.COM (Kin Blas) Message-Id: <9305141641.AA02142@guam.island.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov, cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: D-70 Waveform and Parameter cards... Cc: kin@guam.island.COM Status: OR > is it possible to change the performance via MIDI with Program Changes without > wasting one seperate channel (Control Channel) for it. If I use e.g. channel 1 > for one sound, I`m not able to use channel 1 as control channel.Is this right, > are there other possibilities ?? Nope, the D-70 only changes performances when receiving program changes on the control channel. If the control channel is the same as one of the Parts in a performance, the control capabilities are turned off, and all program changes received on that channel will only switch the patch for that part. > Thanks in advance & greetings from good old germany, --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com From island!guam.island.COM!kin@uunet.UU.NET Fri May 14 10:20:34 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA04665; Fri, 14 May 93 10:20:33 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA17591; Fri, 14 May 93 10:18:22 PDT Received: from relay1.UU.NET by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA29760; Fri, 14 May 93 10:19:05 PDT Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA23243; Fri, 14 May 93 13:20:30 -0400 Received: from island.UUCP by spool.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 131832.25936; Fri, 14 May 1993 13:18:32 EDT Received: from guam.island.com by island.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04467; Fri, 14 May 93 09:39:43 PDT Received: by guam.island.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02142; Fri, 14 May 93 09:41:34 PDT Date: Fri, 14 May 93 09:41:34 PDT From: kin@guam.island.COM (Kin Blas) Message-Id: <9305141641.AA02142@guam.island.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov, cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: D-70 Waveform and Parameter cards... Cc: kin@guam.island.COM Status: OR > From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Fri May 14 03:01:38 1993 > To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov > X-Sender: (Unverified) > Subject: Re: D-70 Waveform and Parameter cards... > Content-Length: 466 > X-Lines: 11 > > > I'd also like some comments on the SN-U110 Sound Effects card if anyone > >has it. > > I have it. What do you want to know? I wanted to know if the sounds were realistic and if the quality of the sounds were any good? The only stores around here that have any SN-U110 cards in stock don't have the Sound Effects card or D-70's to try them out on. I always end up trying the SN-U110 cards on a U220, which I don't know how to use, with crappy headphones. > I can give you a rundown on the > sounds. In conjunction with the D-70's resonant multimode filtering, you > can do some rather creative stuff with the card... A friend of mine uses it > for drum maps... A rundown would be cool. By the way, if you or any other users who have waveform or parameter cards on this list have the time, maybe a little description of what you have, the list of sounds they come with and your opinion of the cards could help out others on this list decide if they are worth getting for themselves. Later, --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com From island!guam.island.COM!kin@uunet.UU.NET Fri May 14 11:04:30 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA04693; Fri, 14 May 93 11:04:29 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA18073; Fri, 14 May 93 11:02:18 PDT Received: from relay2.UU.NET by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA01599; Fri, 14 May 93 11:03:11 PDT Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA28884; Fri, 14 May 93 14:04:16 -0400 Received: from island.UUCP by spool.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 131707.25827; Fri, 14 May 1993 13:17:07 EDT Received: from guam.island.com by island.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04294; Fri, 14 May 93 09:25:05 PDT Received: by guam.island.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02135; Fri, 14 May 93 09:26:55 PDT Date: Fri, 14 May 93 09:26:55 PDT From: kin@guam.island.COM (Kin Blas) Message-Id: <9305141626.AA02135@guam.island.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov, cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Creation of D70 Mailing List Cc: kin@guam.island.COM Status: OR > >Powering up with the number 4 button down toggles the D-70's ability > >to transimit Note ons and and Note offs on the control channel, so > >the D-70 can actually broadcast on 5 DIFFERENT MIDI channels at the > >same time. > > I'm confused. 5 channels at once? By default, the D-70 transmits on the > control channel and (I think) the channel of the current Keyboard Part. Yes the D-70 transmits (Note On/Off data) on the control channel by default. It also transmits this data on the other 4 MIDI channels specified by the current Performance's MIDI Palette, if they are active. The D-70 only transmits on the active channels specified in the MIDI Palette and the control channel, which don't neccessarily have to be the same channels as each part of the current performance. > I don't see that I'd want five channels at once, more than one is too many... > It looks as if I'd better investigate this further. This could be useful if you disconnect the keyboard from the sound generators (Local Control Off) of the D-70 and create a MIDI loop. You can then split/layer/zone D-70 patches across the keyboard. Also if you have other synth modules, you can split/layer/zone their sounds across the D-70's keyboard. --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Sun May 16 01:46:53 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA05937; Sun, 16 May 93 01:46:51 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA14014; Sun, 16 May 93 01:44:40 PDT Received: from post.demon.co.uk by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA21765; Sun, 16 May 93 01:44:30 PDT Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa01473; 16 May 93 9:44 BST Date: Sun, 16 May 1993 09:44:26 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: The Brown Bottle Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.demon.co.uk X-Sender: (Unverified) Subject: SN-U110 cards Message-Id: <9305160944.aa01473@post.demon.co.uk> Status: OR In response to Kin's enquiry about the sound effects card: look what I found... ----- If you buy any SN-U-110 PCM cards, please send reviews for my steadily expanding database of info on these cards (presently up to v0.2). I include a copy here so that you can see the format. Ross-c 03 Mar. 1992. We have a new reviewer (#6), so here is v0.2: Cards for which we have no review include: Sax & Trombone /* Rock Drums */ - A review has arrived Super Brass (I will have to check that these exist) Super Strings Acoustic Guitar ----------------------------------Reviewers------------------------------------- (me) hobbiest, home recording (1) novice on U20 for fooling around. (2) I'm a performing folk musician, but haven't yet done any performances using MIDI equipment. (3) Not described (4) Not described, but has MIDI wind controller (? - or was about to buy one) (5) Not described (6) I had a white label 12" out in Leeds last year! s'my claim to fame, that. ----------------------------------The Reviews----------------------------------- SN-U110-01 Pipe Organ and Harpsichord 01-01 Harpsi 1 Single Back 8' mellow tone 01-02 Harpsi 2 Detune Back 8' mellow tone 01-03 Harpsi 3 Single Front 8' bright tone 01-04 Harpsi 4 Detune Front 8' bright tone 01-05 Harpsi 5 Single Back + Front 01-06 Harpsi 6 Dual Back + 4'(upper octave) 01-07 Positive 1 Single Bright Tone 01-08 Positive 2 Detune Bright Tone 01-09 Positive 3 Single middle tone 01-10 Positive 4 Detune middle tone 01-11 Positive 5 Single mellow tone 01-12 Positive 6 Detune mellow tone 01-13 Church 1 Single bright tone 01-14 Church 2 Detune bright tone 01-15 Church 3 Single middle tone 01-16 Church 4 Detune middle tone 01-17 Church 5 Single mellow tone 01-18 Church 6 Detune mellow tone 01-19 Church 7 Dual middle + reverb 01-20 Church Rvb Single reverb (4) I was intiallly a bit disappointed in this card. I guess I expected E. Power Biggs in Rom! I have began experimenting with layering the organ sounds using layers with shifts similar to the pipe banks in a real positive organ, 16 foot, 8 foot, 2 2/3 foot etc. and I am now getting a lot closer to the monster Bach Organ I was looking for. The star of the card is clearly the Harpsichord, however. I like number 1 which is very full, rich, powerful and number 6 which has a broader lighter timber. These also might be layered. (4) Note number 20 is just the reverb and is meant to layer like is predone for you in number 19, a nicely sanctimonious patch. SN-U110-02 Latin & FX. Percussions (all Single except those mentioned [below], most in several versions): Conga Bongo Claves Timbale Tamborine (no jingle) Wood Block Whistle Triangle Belltree Vibraslap Castanet Maracas Agogo Cuica Guiro Berimbau Shekele Steel Drum Log Drum The FX sounds include (all Single): Orchestra Hit Siren Type 1 Type 2 Clock Pinball Telephone Smash Glass Rezno Eerie Ambia Jr. Temple Block Zing ! Boing ! Mod Zap Interface Scratch Stake Zappu (4) This card has three rhythm and four fx setups which take up several pages. I find them basically worthless. The value of this card starts at tone 4. From there through tone 52! are a series of tuned percussion and Fx sounds. Each tone is for a single instrument at each half tone. The most valuable ones I have found are: 02-10 Conga 3 V-SW Open/mute 02-26 Cuica 2 V-SW low/high 02-29 Guiro 3 V-SW long/short I have used these with the Pad 5 controller which sends velocity information. numbers 34-52 are FX sounds. I will list the different percussion names (4) The Steel Drum deserves special mention. With it you can essentially add another instrument channel to your U-20. In fact since all these tones are tuned on each key, this idea would work with any of them to a greater or lesser degree. But this is a GREAT steel drum, at least to my ear. I also like the Claves quite well. (4) These [the sound effect sounds - Ed] also go up and down the keyboard on each tone. They are preassembled (mixed up) into rhythm sets in FX1-4. If one wanted to play a minuet in Scratch, theoretically you could. I may have to try this! [I collaborated with someone who did almost this with the Cuica sound - Ed] (3) (Latin?) percussion.... the yellow one, whatever it's called. This one's a lot of fun. There's a good number of useful sounds here, and some good configurations. (me) A useful and interesting range of sounds. I am not impressed by the sound quality (on my U110), many of the sounds are dull to my ear. Pinball noises are cool. Percussion sets are not in stereo (on the U110 anyway). (6) latin percussion FX - brilliant - essential for mega percurssion tracks - all instruments detuneable ( of course ) - try playing a belltree down four octaves - well spooky. one sound 'eerie' doubles as a really kiking sub bass. SN-U110-4 Electronic Grand and Clavi 04-01 E.Grand 1 V-mix bright tone, soft and hard touch 04-02 E.Grand 2 V-mix middle tone, soft and hard touch 04-03 E.Grand 3 V-mix mellow tone, soft and hard touch 04-04 E.Grand 4 V-mix detuned, soft and hard touch 04-05 E.Grand 5 Single soft touch 04-06 E.Grand 6 Detune soft touch 04-07 E.Grand 7 Single hard touch 04-08 E.Grand 8 Detune hard touch 04-09 Clavi 1 V-mix soft and hard touch 04-10 Clavi 2 V-SW soft touch/hard touch 04-11 Clavi 3 Single 04-12 Clavi 4 Detune (4) The electronic grand is distinctly different than the famous U-20 bank 1 patch 1 Acoustic Piano. The Acoustic Piano patch has a lot of after ring of the strings, often an offensive amount. There is not a trace of this in the E.Grand samples. After the Acoustic Piano patch it sounds like a "tone generator" rather than a sample. Still, I use it a lot when the after ring of the Acoustic Piano starts to get to me. The Clavichord is enchanting. It does not cover the full range of the U-20 keyboard and flakes out on an F as I recall. It can be upshifted an octave to span the keyboard. I have used this on some simple two hand music scores of Mozart and it is a great sound. (3) Grand/Clavi... I love the sound of Yamaha electric grands, I bought this card right away. Pretty disappointing. There is no sustain on the sounds, the attacks are weird... there's something very unplayable about them. Most of them are so bright they sound more like banjo plucks or something. ???? - Orchestral Winds 6 oboe (4 single, one detune, one dual), from bright to mellow 5 bassoon (3 s, 1 det, 1 dual) 6 clarinet (like oboe) 5 bass clarinet (like bassoon) 6 French horn (like oboe) 5 tuba (like basoon) 2 tympani (Vmix, single) (1) The tones (to my ear) have good body. For me they fill a big hole in the tones provided in the U20, but those who do pop or jazz probably won't find this the ideal card. (1) Orchestral winds, first impression (just got card on Tuesday!) is that sounds are quite decent (me) Nothing amazing, but good solid sounds. Timpani is realistic and an important addition to my sound library. (2) The most realistic is the timpani patch, followed closely by the clarinet patch. French Horn sounds alright if you layer two or more of the patches. The only non-soft FH patch isn't realistic at all, but gives a moderate amount of realism when layered. Another problem specifically with the FH patches is that they are all *much* softer than the normal U20 timbres. So to get solo passages with the FH, you must lower the volume of all other instruments significantly. Bassoon and Tuba have good, if not excellent sounds, and bass clarinet is the least realistic of the bunch. But even it isn't too bad. I just recently purchased the card, and haven't experimented extensively with anything but french horn, so layering may help other instruments on this card as well. (3) Orchestral Winds... this one has some good sounds. Sure wish the U220 had a way to do tremolo or some other subtle modulation besides vibrato though. Some of the oboes and clarinets would be much more expressive with something like that, but pure vibrato just sounds silly. Also, why does Roland insist on giving us so many "sounds" that are basically just a chorused version of another sound already on the card? SN-U110-8,9 Synthesiser, Guitar & Keyboard (4) Here are reports on the three I have. Number SN-U110-8 Synthesizer and SN-U110-9 Guitar & Keyboard are internal to the U-20 and U-220. I particularly like the JP Strings on number 9 On number 8 the Calliope has two samples, one extremely breathy. I have tried mixing it with the second sample in a layer. Calliope is a strong instrument. This patch is weak and very breathy. It is valuable as a layer to add Calliope texture to a sound, but is not a very useful Calliope by itself. I wanted a good Calliope patch for "Musette". (me) Sounds are very good if you have a limited system. Many of the synth sounds are well-known (cliche'?) D50 type sounds, including synth vocals and bell-type sounds. Synth basses are excellent, and a "must" for people doing funky music. Includes some synth waves that are of limited use on the U110. Electric guitar heavy metal chord from the U20 is there (that alone was enough for me to buy the card, though it's not very realistic, it sounds cool). ??????? - Orchestral Strings (3) Orchestral Strings... some good sounds here too. Same complaint about all the chorused versions. ???????? - Electric Guitar (5) I have the Electric Guitar card for the U220, and I found the jazz guitar sounds quite useful and reasonably accurate emulations. There were also some heavy metal guitar things, but I'm not so much into that sound. There are some heavy guitar tones built into the U220 anyway. I made a hawaiian guitar timbre and a not-very good nylon guitar patch (3 timbres to get it) using the card. (5) As with most of the Roland cards, many of the sounds are duplications of other sounds on the card or in the box. Though the jazz guitar sounds are absent from the U220, there are about 10 versions of essentially the same sound on the card. I thought it was worth it, compared to the cost of an extra synth. (me) The sounds on this card are not "immediate", i.e. they do not sound like much when you solo them. These sounds do have potential though. I have done one fake solo using one of the distorted sounds, and though the solo I programmed (in step time :-) ) didn't "cut it", the sound was there. I have also played the Jazz guitar sound using a MIDI guitar controller and the result was quite realistic. So, the potential is there, but you have to work to get it. The heavy metal chord on the "Keyboards & Guitar" is less realistic but more immediate. ?????????????? - Ethnic Tabla (several variations) - Several different tabla sounds. Tsuzumi - Japanese Drum Taiko - Japanese Drum Koto - Japanese Stringed instrument Sitar - Indian Stringed instrument Sicu - Breathy South American style flute Shanai - Sounds like an oriental mutant oboe Kalimba - African (?) pitched plucked metal bar/plate instrument with unusual ring. + Some more tuned percussion (marimba?) (me) [See note at beginning] This is my favourite of all the cards I have. The sounds are "immediate", i.e. most sound very good when solo. Sound quality is very good, as is the variety of the sounds. Tabla has potential to be very realistic given wide range of playing style samples, and ability to play each sample at different pitches. This is the card that I have used most in recording, and includes many of my all-time favourite U-110 sounds. They are "good, solid, sounds", as in Orchestral Winds etc, but have the added advantage of being lesser known, more interesting sounds. The Kotos are realistic. The Sicu has lots of "breath", and if you play chords can imitate a steamboat whistle. Kalimba is good for a pitched percussion solo sound. Shanai is good for using your effects box to produce eerie sounds. Conclusion: Highly Recommended. ???????? - Sound Effects (From Memory) Woman's scream Creaking Door Gunshot Machine Gun Footsteps Waterphone Missile Explosion Suspense-strings Dog bark Car Screech Car crash Cheesy radio loop Water drops Bubbling Thunder Running stream Bird noises Godzilla Applause Birds (+more, maybe) (me) These sounds are all fairly good quality. Their usefulness depends on your application. If you like to do humourous stuff like I do, then a lot of these sounds may be just what you are looking for. I have a story about this card. When I tried it out in the store, I put it into a U20, and set it up to "Woman's scream" (not the first sample on the card). When I played the sound, the woman who was running the shop came rushing out, looked left and right, and asked if anyone screamed. When I played the keyboard again, she collapsed laughing. Back to buisness; the two major problems with this card are that (i) the sounds are too easily recognisable. If you use the scream more than once, it is too easily recognisable as the same scream. Also, some of the loops are too short. E.g: the running stream, birds, bubbling repeat too quickly to use for long periods of time if they are exposed in the mix. They are quite realistic given this limitation though. Wave sound is a bit short compared to a real wave on a beach. Dog bark is pathetic. Not wishing to end on that note; an excellent card to have if you like producing your own answerfone messages ( :-), but no joke!) ??????? - Rock Drums (6) rock drums - hmm not so impressed - standard r8 sounds but I still prefer to use my DR550 as its MUCH brighter. Good toms though ( if your into that sort of thing ). 808 and 909 sounds are the best feature ( how did I ever live without a 909 snare? ) ---------------------------End of Version 0.2----------------------------------- From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Sun May 16 01:47:04 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA05943; Sun, 16 May 93 01:47:03 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA14017; Sun, 16 May 93 01:44:53 PDT Received: from post.demon.co.uk by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA21786; Sun, 16 May 93 01:45:34 PDT Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa01486; 16 May 93 9:44 BST Date: Sun, 16 May 1993 09:44:54 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: Nick Rothwell X-Sender: (Unverified) Subject: MIDI transmission Message-Id: <9305160945.aa01486@post.demon.co.uk> Status: OR > Yes the D-70 transmits (Note On/Off data) on the control channel by default. >It also transmits this data on the other 4 MIDI channels specified by the >current Performance's MIDI Palette, if they are active. I beg your pardon, yes. Because the D-70 transmits on the global channel, I just keep the MIDI out palette turned off completely. Hence, I forgot about it. > This could be useful if you disconnect the keyboard from the sound >generators (Local Control Off) of the D-70 and create a MIDI loop. Local off seems to be no good because as soon as you go into an edit page the keyboard transmission is killed, so you can't audition changes. Maybe the MIDI out palette is kept active; if the "KY" option does as you say (kills transmission on the global channel) then that might be the way to go. >You >can then split/layer/zone D-70 patches across the keyboard. Also if you >have other synth modules, you can split/layer/zone their sounds across the >D-70's keyboard. True, but this is no use to me because you can't sustain sounds while changing the transmission zones. This is why I use MAX for all my controller functions, and use the D-70 as a dumb keyboard. (Since that's what it is... :-)) Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk From jeynes@mv.us.adobe.com Thu Jul 22 17:21:38 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA02082; Thu, 22 Jul 93 17:21:37 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA20004; Thu, 22 Jul 93 17:18:58 PDT Received: from mail-relay-2.mv.us.adobe.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA16544; Thu, 22 Jul 93 17:21:23 PDT Received: by mail-relay-2.mv.us.adobe.com; id AA01598; Thu, 22 Jul 93 17:21:34 -0700 Received: by novarese (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA10055; Thu, 22 Jul 93 17:21:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 93 17:21:20 -0700 From: Ross Jeynes Message-Id: <9307230021.AA10055@novarese> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: Hello? Status: OR Mark writes: > Is anybody out there? Well I guess we're officially an international list now! The last time there was a flurry of activity on this list, we were talking about swapping patches, and Cliff had set up an ftp site. (I haven't had time to check it out yet...) Anyway, I have an actual question: I'm interested in finding places that make patch cards that work with some of the ROM sample cards. Are there any third parties out there that make the sample cards? The D70 built in sounds are great, and there's a lot of stuff to explore, but I'd really like some new samples to work with. Also, does anyone know if there are any expansion products that would allow someone to do their own sampling? Later, -ross jeynes@adobe.com w:(415) 962-4917 h:(415) 821-6345 MultiMedia Systems Engineer Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA From bmw@ee.uwa.edu.au Mon Jul 26 20:19:15 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA01464; Mon, 26 Jul 93 20:19:14 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA28482; Mon, 26 Jul 93 20:16:35 PDT Received: from uniwa (uniwa.uwa.edu.au) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA24523; Mon, 26 Jul 93 20:18:35 PDT Received: from ee.uwa.edu.au (swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au [130.95.208.1]) by uniwa (8.1C/8.1) with SMTP id KAA17704; Tue, 27 Jul 1993 10:49:51 +0800 Received: from zeus.ee.uwa.edu.au by rama.ee.uwa.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01680; Tue, 27 Jul 93 10:48:48 WST Date: Tue, 27 Jul 93 10:48:48 WST From: bmw@ee.uwa.edu.au (Robert Woodcock) Message-Id: <9307270248.AA01680@rama.ee.uwa.edu.au> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Rom updates 1.00 - 1.18 Status: OR Hello D70 users, I'm about to have my D70 updated to Rom revision 1.18. I had this done once before from 1.0 to 1.14. I have a fax containing a list of the bugs it fixes, it is fairly long and covers fixes from 1.00 - 1.16 (should be 1.18 but the last two pages of the fax went to la la land). I thought others might be interested to see it, if so let me know and I'll type a summary up and email it to you all. Now for the ftp site: Anybody posted any patches yet? How about a Sys Ex exchange program there is one for DOS how about the Atari? (I have one (no sources) as I didn't write it I'm not sure if I should post it I'll check the readme tonight and see what the owner said about it) NOTE: If you have rom revision <1.12 you can expect some nasty problems with Sys Ex, I would suggest 1.14 or higher is a good idea. Another question: Has anyone tried hooking up the D70s MIDI OUT to MIDI IN? I did this and it can be used to good effect (watch your polyphony though). I use it to give me a good Slap Bass sound (using 4 tones) with a Synth Brass sound (using 4 tones). As long as I stick to single notes in the bass I don't have problems with polyphony and it sounds great! Anybody else got some good suggestions. Hope this generates some discussion, BFN Rob ================================================================================ Mr. Robert Woodcock Phone: +61-9-380-1768 _--_|\ Centre for Intelligent Information Processing Systems / \ Dept. of Electrical & Electronic Engineering *_.--._/ The University of Western Australia Fax: +61-9-380-1101 v NEDLANDS WA 6009 Australia Email: bmw@swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au From jeynes@mv.us.adobe.com Tue Jul 27 10:50:31 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA01716; Tue, 27 Jul 93 10:50:29 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA00627; Tue, 27 Jul 93 10:47:49 PDT Received: from mail-relay-2.mv.us.adobe.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA13758; Tue, 27 Jul 93 10:50:12 PDT Received: by mail-relay-2.mv.us.adobe.com; id AA14403; Tue, 27 Jul 93 10:50:42 -0700 Received: by novarese (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA11378; Tue, 27 Jul 93 10:50:33 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 93 10:50:33 -0700 From: Ross Jeynes Message-Id: <9307271750.AA11378@novarese> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: Rom updates 1.00 - 1.18 Status: OR Robert Woodcock writes: > I'm about to have my D70 updated to Rom revision 1.18. I > had this done once before from 1.0 to 1.14. I have a fax > containing a list of the bugs it fixes, it is fairly long > and covers fixes from 1.00 - 1.16 (should be 1.18 but the > last two pages of the fax went to la la land). I thought > others might be interested to see it, if so let me know and > I'll type a summary up and email it to you all. I would love to see the list of bugs. I called Roland about a year ago, and they told me that there were no bug fixes in the later versions of the ROMs. They told me that the later ROM versions were released because the hardware changed somehow. Is this just B.S. on their part? I know my keyboard does have some MIDI problems -- I think I have version 1.11, which the guy at Roland told me was the correct version for my keyboard (based on the serial number, I think). > Now for the ftp site: Anybody posted any patches yet? I've got bunch o' patches, and I'll post them as soon as I get a chance. What is the proper format for this kind of stuff? I'm using Opcode Galaxy on the Mac as my librarian. I haven't exchanged patches via the net before, so I don't know what form to save the data in. Any experts out there care to enlighten me? Is there a midi dump format that's analagous to midi sequence format? --- -ross jeynes@adobe.com w:(415) 962-4917 h:(415) 821-6345 MultiMedia Systems Engineer Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA From cyamamot Tue Jul 27 12:29:15 1993 Return-Path: Received: by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA01769; Tue, 27 Jul 93 12:29:12 PDT Message-Id: <9307271929.AA01769@marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> Subject: Re: Rom updates 1.00 - 1.18 To: jeynes@mv.us.adobe.com (Ross Jeynes) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 93 12:29:12 PDT Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov In-Reply-To: <9307271750.AA11378@novarese>; from "Ross Jeynes" at Jul 27, 93 10:50 am From: cyamamot@marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Cliff Yamamoto) Organization: Jet Propulsion Labs, Pasadena, Calif. Return-Receipt-To: cyamamot@marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR >Robert Woodcock writes: >> I'm about to have my D70 updated to Rom revision 1.18. I >> had this done once before from 1.0 to 1.14. I have a fax >> containing a list of the bugs it fixes, it is fairly long >> and covers fixes from 1.00 - 1.16 (should be 1.18 but the >> last two pages of the fax went to la la land). Robert, please let me know who you contacted. I've become friends with one of the techs there who performed my 1.18 upgrade. Perhaps if you can refer to a service report # or memo # so that I can request the complete list. >I would love to see the list of bugs. I called Roland about a year >ago, and they told me that there were no bug fixes in the later >versions of the ROMs. That is incorrect. There are problems with Sysex dump/load prior to version 1.18 >They told me that the later ROM versions >were released because the hardware changed somehow. Is this just >B.S. on their part? No, the system board is different after the 1.14 ROMs. If you have 1.17 then 1.18 is just a ROM swap. I believe there also a difference with system boards from 1.10 to 1.14. >> Now for the ftp site: Anybody posted any patches yet? >I've got bunch o' patches, and I'll post them as soon as I get a >chance. What is the proper format for this kind of stuff? I'm >using Opcode Galaxy on the Mac as my librarian. I haven't >exchanged patches via the net before, so I don't know what form to >save the data in. Any experts out there care to enlighten me? Is >there a midi dump format that's analagous to midi sequence format? The ftp archive site is here on 'kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov' in /pub/D70. The format is the raw Sysex format of 'F0 ... data ... F7' which Cakewalk, Midiex and I'm sure other librarians can save/load. If you wish to upload some patches let me know so I can give you further details. - Cliff From dave@elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Tue Jul 27 12:46:24 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA01878; Tue, 27 Jul 93 12:46:23 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA01745; Tue, 27 Jul 93 12:43:42 PDT Received: from elxr.jpl.Nasa.Gov (elxr-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA16455; Tue, 27 Jul 93 12:46:06 PDT Received: from localhost.jpl.nasa.gov by elxr.jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.2) id AA06764; Tue, 27 Jul 93 12:46:42 PDT Message-Id: <9307271946.AA06764@elxr.jpl.Nasa.Gov> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: Rom updates 1.00 - 1.18 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 12:46:41 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Status: OR > Robert, please let me know who you contacted. I've become > friends with one of the techs there who performed my 1.18 upgrade. > Perhaps if you can refer to a service report # or memo # so that > I can request the complete list. Where *did* you get upgraded, anyway? Did you go down to Roland? > That is incorrect. There are problems with Sysex dump/load prior to > version 1.18 I'll say (I think I have 1.11). That "quick bulk dump" format is incomprehensible to my custom sysex librarian. > No, the system board is different after the 1.14 ROMs. If you have > 1.17 then 1.18 is just a ROM swap. I believe there also a difference > with system boards from 1.10 to 1.14. So is there a list of differences? ------ Dave Hayes - Institutional Network & Communications - JPL/NASA - Pasadena CA dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov ...usc!elroy!dxh Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss From cyamamot Tue Jul 27 13:32:34 1993 Return-Path: Received: by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA01945; Tue, 27 Jul 93 13:32:33 PDT Message-Id: <9307272032.AA01945@marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> Subject: Re: Rom updates 1.00 - 1.18 To: dave@elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Dave Hayes) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 93 13:32:33 PDT Cc: cyamamot (Clifford Yamamoto) In-Reply-To: <9307271946.AA06764@elxr.jpl.Nasa.Gov>; from "Dave Hayes" at Jul 27, 93 12:46 pm From: cyamamot@marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Cliff Yamamoto) Organization: Jet Propulsion Labs, Pasadena, Calif. Return-Receipt-To: cyamamot@marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR >Where *did* you get upgraded, anyway? Did you go down to Roland? Yep. Takes about one hour to swap everything. >>That is incorrect. There are problems with Sysex dump/load prior to >>version 1.18 >I'll say (I think I have 1.11). That "quick bulk dump" format is >incomprehensible to my custom sysex librarian. If you're referring to the #5 power-up sequence (Extended Product Mode) then yes, that dump is incompatible (as well as unreadable) by a patch editor or librarian. However if you're referring to the standard Sysex dump from the 'System' menu, that format should be a 38846 byte dump (a full patch/tone dump) in standard Sysex form. >>No, the system board is different after the 1.14 ROMs. If you have >>1.17 then 1.18 is just a ROM swap. I believe there also a difference >>with system boards from 1.10 to 1.14. >So is there a list of differences? That's what I hope that fellow will post. I never knew of a list of bug fixes. If I can find out source of that bug list, I can phone Roland to send me a FAX of it. - Cliff From grigsby@cc.gatech.edu Wed Jul 28 13:00:07 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA02679; Wed, 28 Jul 93 13:00:06 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA25105; Wed, 28 Jul 93 12:57:27 PDT Received: from burdell.cc.gatech.edu by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA20457; Wed, 28 Jul 93 12:59:49 PDT Received: from lennon.cc.gatech.edu by burdell.cc.gatech.edu with SMTP id AA16194 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 28 Jul 1993 16:00:26 -0400 Received: by lennon.cc.gatech.edu id AA22832 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Wed, 28 Jul 1993 16:00:22 -0400 From: "Eric L. Grigsby" Message-Id: <199307282000.AA22832@lennon.cc.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: Midi Checksum To: dave@elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Dave Hayes) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 93 16:00:22 EDT Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Roland D-70 Users Mail List) In-Reply-To: <9307280646.AA29224@elxr.jpl.Nasa.Gov>; from "Dave Hayes" at Jul 27, 93 11:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR >Well, different mfrs do it differently. The basic algorithm is simple, >you want a number that when added to the sum of all the data gives you >zero. To compute that... > >unsigned char csum = 0; /* Initialize to zero */ >... >csum += data; /* Add all the sysx data */ >.... >csum = (~csum) + 1; /* Complement and add 1 */ >csum &= 0x7f; /* Mask off high bit */ >sendtoyouraxe(csum); /* Send it, then send the F7 */ > >The hard part is determining just where the mfr starts to compute the >checksum in a SysX message. Some of them start right after the mfr id, >some (like Roland) start after the particular command given but *include* >the addressing component (argh!!) > >I usually find the point to start computing a checksum by trial and error, >because it's rarely in the manuals... > What do you mean by add the data and the csum together. I am adding the size of the data and csum, or do recursively add each byte on top of one another? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ * Eric L. Grigsby ! E-mail: grigsby@cc.gatech.edu * * GA Tech. College of Computing ! * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From bmw@ee.uwa.edu.au Wed Jul 28 18:26:13 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA02789; Wed, 28 Jul 93 18:26:12 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA28080; Wed, 28 Jul 93 18:23:31 PDT Received: from uniwa ([130.95.128.1]) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA28177; Wed, 28 Jul 93 18:25:43 PDT Received: from ee.uwa.edu.au (swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au [130.95.208.1]) by uniwa (8.1C/8.1) with SMTP id JAA16234; Thu, 29 Jul 1993 09:25:19 +0800 Received: from zeus.ee.uwa.edu.au by rama.ee.uwa.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01334; Thu, 29 Jul 93 09:24:15 WST Date: Thu, 29 Jul 93 09:24:15 WST From: bmw@ee.uwa.edu.au (Robert Woodcock) Message-Id: <9307290124.AA01334@rama.ee.uwa.edu.au> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: The Rom Update List Status: OR Hi All, Everyone seemed interested so here it is. Some people wanted to know where I got the list from. It was faxed to me by the guy who is going to do the upgrade, He got it from Roland Australia. I assume you can get it from any Roland service centre. A few people wanted a reference number for the list, unfortunately there is nothing on my fax to identify it in any unique way. For those of you wondering about hardware changes there are a few in the list. I've left out the nitty gritty details and stuck to listing the bugs and the fixes. Hope you all find this useful, Rob P.S. I'll try and get the rest of the update list (1.16-1.18) when I drop the D70 in to the service centre. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D-70 Rom Version List 1.10-1.16 (not complete) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Version 1.10 ************ BUGS: 1. When a key was pressed just after performance change on user program change, the head of that sound will be collapsed - Fixed 2. When receiving bulk data from a sequencer etc.. and overflowed the buffer, D-70 will display "MIDI BUFFER FULL!" and then not recognize the following data until "EXIT" key is pressed - Modified so D-70 will recoginize following data. 3. When a keyboard part was set to "OFF" or "RHYTHM", a hold data has not been sent out from the "MIDI PALETTE" of on the "CONTROL CHANNEL" - Fixed 4. When a pedal switch was assigned to "CONT. MAP" in system setup, the specified information in CONT. MAP has not been sent out from MIDI PALETTE. Also when a pedal switch was assigned to "EFFECTOR" or "PERFORMANCE UP/DOWN" , that information has not been sent out on the control channel. - Fixed 5. When a pedal switch was set to "PERFORMANCE UP/DOWN" and a performance was changed, the program change number specified in MIDI PALETTE has not been sent out - Fixed ADDITIONS: 1. Ability to turn on/off key event messages on the control channel. (Power on while holding number 4 button down) Version 1.11 ************ BUGS: 1. When playing D-70 with the data of multi-timbre including rhythm part from a sequencer, sometimes there are some missed tone - Fixed 2. When executing "STORE ALL", a number key doesn't work properly - Fixed 3. When editing "CONTROLLER MAP", a indicator (*) doesn't display - Fixed 4. Modulation pressure doesn't reach 127 when fully pressed down a key - Fixed 5. Original tone for rhythm doesn't change by Sys Ex - Fixed 6. Original tone will be corrupted, when temporary area was accessed by Sys Ex - Fixed ADDITIONS: 1. When selecting "PERFORMANCE", "PROGRAM CHANGE" doesn't send from midi palette (Power on with bank 2 button held) 2. Exclusive use of expression pedal/C1 slider for a keyboard part level. In this mode, a controller ma for the internal sound module will ignore. CHANGE OF HARDWARE: 1. Changed CPU from one wait to no wait -> improved processing speed Version 1.12 ************ HARDWARE CHANGE: 1. Changed CPU from A STEP to B STEP. Compatibility of software: A STEP CPU: Ver 1.00~ B STEP CPU: Ver 1.12~ NOTE: when using A STEP CPU in Ver 1.00~1.11 the hangup problem may occur. For example; after power on, the unit does not work. Version 1.13 ************ BUGS: 1. When in user set display, if the function button was changed rapidly -> no sound, no response - Fixed Version 1.14 ************ BUGS: 1. When setting reverb mode to delay and delay time to maximum, periodically a pop noise may be heard - Fixed 2. When a card for parameter is inserted into PCM card slot by mistake, LCD indicates strangely - Fixed Version 1.15 ************ BUGS: 1. When selecting C:11(CARD), and entering performance edit, 1:11 is displayed in the first line - Fixed 2. When the data is transferred I->M in hand shake dump mode with librarian such as MRB etc. TIME OUT ERROR may occur. It will happen when selecting ALL in handshake dump, and never happen when transferring each data one by one. Version 1.16 ************ BUGS: **************** End of my FAX ***************** ================================================================================ Mr. Robert Woodcock Phone: +61-9-380-1768 _--_|\ Centre for Intelligent Information Processing Systems / \ Dept. of Electrical & Electronic Engineering *_.--._/ The University of Western Australia Fax: +61-9-380-1101 v NEDLANDS WA 6009 Australia Email: bmw@swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 28 23:35:35 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA03008; Wed, 28 Jul 93 23:35:34 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA15603; Wed, 28 Jul 93 23:32:53 PDT Received: from by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AB04966; Wed, 28 Jul 93 23:35:15 PDT Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa10275; 29 Jul 93 7:33 BST Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 07:32:49 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: Nick Rothwell X-Sender: (Unverified) Subject: Re: Rom updates 1.00 - 1.18 Message-Id: <9307290733.aa10275@post.demon.co.uk> Status: OR >Has anyone tried hooking up the D70s MIDI OUT to MIDI IN? I effectively do this all the time, either in the studio (using a sequencer) or onstage using a performance system written in Opcode MAX. There are things you want to be able to do on a D-70 which cannot be done locally but only by external loopback. Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 28 23:35:29 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA03002; Wed, 28 Jul 93 23:35:28 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA15598; Wed, 28 Jul 93 23:32:47 PDT Received: from post.demon.co.uk by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA04966; Wed, 28 Jul 93 23:35:08 PDT Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa10272; 29 Jul 93 7:32 BST Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 07:32:38 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: Nick Rothwell X-Sender: (Unverified) Subject: Re: Rom updates 1.00 - 1.18 Message-Id: <9307290732.aa10272@post.demon.co.uk> Status: OR >No, the system board is different after the 1.14 ROMs. If you have >1.17 then 1.18 is just a ROM swap. I believe there also a difference >with system boards from 1.10 to 1.14. I've heard this as well; yet I took my early D-70 (1.00 ROM) straight to 1.17. Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk From bert@netcom.com Thu Jul 29 04:11:52 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA03030; Thu, 29 Jul 93 04:11:51 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA20922; Thu, 29 Jul 93 04:09:08 PDT Received: from netcom3.netcom.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA10618; Thu, 29 Jul 93 04:11:34 PDT Received: by netcom3.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA18831; Thu, 29 Jul 93 04:12:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 93 04:12:55 -0700 From: bert@netcom.com (Roberto Sierra) Message-Id: <9307291112.AA18831@netcom3.netcom.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: Rom updates 1.00 - 1.18 Status: OR Two quick questions: 1) What is the current 'official' ROM level? 2) Can those who have gone through a motherboard upgrade recommend a place that will do the work for little money in the US? I'm looking at doing an upgrade (from 1.10) and the quote I've been getting is a bit high... Uhhh... Lastly, I'm going to post a whole bunch of cool MIDI sequences to alt.binariers.sound.music (or whatever) in the next few days that you might want to watch for. They are all tailor-made for use with the D-70 and a Proteus/1. You might want to watch for those files -- and please e-mail if you know of good ftp sites or BBSs which specialize in the D-70. The D-70 area on America Online is pretty hep, but that's only for Mac and PC folks. -- Roberto Sierra Tempered MicroDesigns San Francisco, CA From dave@elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Thu Jul 29 11:09:35 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA03176; Thu, 29 Jul 93 11:09:34 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA24516; Thu, 29 Jul 93 11:06:51 PDT Received: from elxr.jpl.Nasa.Gov (elxr-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA19992; Thu, 29 Jul 93 11:09:18 PDT Received: from localhost.jpl.nasa.gov by elxr.jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.2) id AA19735; Thu, 29 Jul 93 11:09:57 PDT Message-Id: <9307291809.AA19735@elxr.jpl.Nasa.Gov> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: Rom updates 1.00 - 1.18 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 11:09:56 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Status: OR > I effectively do this all the time, either in the studio (using a > sequencer) or onstage using a performance system written in Opcode MAX. > There are things you want to be able to do on a D-70 which cannot be done > locally but only by external loopback. Have you noticed any difference with the new system board in terms of MIDI throughput? ------ Dave Hayes - Institutional Network & Communications - JPL/NASA - Pasadena CA dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov ...usc!elroy!dxh The foolish reject what they see, not what they think; The wise reject what they think, not what they see... From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 9 23:49:50 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA09104; Mon, 9 Aug 93 23:49:48 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA09282; Mon, 9 Aug 93 23:41:29 PDT Received: from post.demon.co.uk by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA09503; Mon, 9 Aug 93 23:44:26 PDT Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa23697; 10 Aug 93 7:34 BST Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 07:34:42 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: Nick Rothwell X-Sender: (Unverified) Subject: Re: Rom updates 1.00 - 1.18 Message-Id: <9308100734.aa23697@post.demon.co.uk> Status: OR >Can you provide us (me) with a test scenario to try on our D-70s indicating >this slowness? Well, the LFO's slow down if you play thick chords. Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk From fkuhl@maestro.mitre.org Fri Sep 3 12:06:41 1993 Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA02555; Fri, 3 Sep 93 12:06:40 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA16367; Fri, 3 Sep 93 11:52:15 PDT Received: from mwunix.mitre.org by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA15103; Fri, 3 Sep 93 11:54:58 PDT Return-Path: Received: from maestro.mitre.org by mwunix.mitre.org (5.65c/SMI-2.2) id AA16140; Fri, 3 Sep 1993 14:55:22 -0400 Received: from posthorn.mitre.org.ilab by maestro.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25496; Fri, 3 Sep 93 14:55:22 EDT Date: Fri, 3 Sep 93 14:55:22 EDT From: fkuhl@maestro.mitre.org (F. S. Kuhl) Message-Id: <9309031855.AA25496@maestro.mitre.org> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: D-70 manual? Status: OR I've become responsible for the care & feeding of a D-70. I need to edit patches and tones. The owner's manual is the most obtuse thing I've read in a very long time. Has anyone written a book in English about the D-70? I'd appreciate answers via e-mail as well as thru the mail list, as I'm not sure I'm subscribed yet. Thnaks. Frederick Kuhl fkuhl@mitre.org Center for Advanced Aviation System Development The MITRE Corporation From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 13 06:26:36 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA05644; Mon, 13 Sep 93 06:26:35 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA03255; Mon, 13 Sep 93 06:14:18 PDT Received: from mailhost.an-teallach.com (teallach.ee.ed.ac.uk) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA22763; Mon, 13 Sep 93 06:17:01 PDT Message-Id: <9309131317.AA22763@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> Received: from [192.41.109.102] by mailhost.an-teallach.com with SMTP id AA9043 ; Mon, 13 Sep 93 14:14:33 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 14:16:02 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell) Subject: D-70 Trivia Test Cc: metlay@netcom.com Status: OR OK folks, help me out on this: - The D-70 keyboard always transmits notes on the master control channel, regardless of MIDI Output palette setting, yes? - Except that this is toggled by the NUMBER/4 key being held down on power-up, and signified by the legend [KY] appearing in the system edit page, yes? - This control-channel transmission is only at top-level, not when in any edit pages, yes? - The selected keyboard patch in the performance also plays when receiving notes on this master channel as well as its own, yes? - Performances won't select by patch change if any part on a performance is receiving on that channel, yes? - If [KY] is active (i.e. master channel is disabled for keyboard part reception and duplicate keyboard transmission), the MIDI palette sliders completely stop transmitting MIDI, yes? - If [KY] is inactive, the MIDI palette sliders are linked to control of the palette functions of the selected keyboard patch, regardless of whether MIDI Local Control is on or off, right? - Only one patch can receive MIDI palette information at once (the keyboard part), yes? ... and people think I'm crazy when I tell them that I'm never ever going to buy another keyboard synth, and move entirely to master keyboards. In the meantime, since I've just attended a weekend workshop on Heavenly River Monastery Hard Qigong technique, I have sufficient training to bash my head off a brick wall with quite an amazing amount of force. I think I'll go off and do that now. Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk From dave@elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Mon Sep 13 11:45:33 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA05827; Mon, 13 Sep 93 11:45:32 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA05102; Mon, 13 Sep 93 11:35:23 PDT Received: from elxr.jpl.Nasa.Gov (elxr-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA01877; Mon, 13 Sep 93 11:38:09 PDT Received: from localhost.jpl.nasa.gov by elxr.jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.2) id AA13859; Mon, 13 Sep 93 11:38:45 PDT Message-Id: <9309131838.AA13859@elxr.jpl.Nasa.Gov> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov, metlay@netcom.com Subject: Re: D-70 Trivia Test Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:38:45 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Status: OR > - If [KY] is active (i.e. master channel is disabled for keyboard part > reception and duplicate keyboard transmission), the MIDI palette sliders > completely stop transmitting MIDI, yes? I didn't know they ever transmitted MIDI. Do they? > ... and people think I'm crazy when I tell them that I'm never ever going > to buy another keyboard synth, and move entirely to master keyboards. I think this is wise council. Wiser may be to design one's own master keyboard...since no mfr ever does it exactly right. ------ Dave Hayes - Institutional Network & Communications - JPL/NASA - Pasadena CA dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov ...usc!elroy!dxh What we see depends on mainly what we look for. From metlay@netcom.com Mon Sep 13 13:42:57 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA05977; Mon, 13 Sep 93 13:42:55 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA05513; Mon, 13 Sep 93 13:25:06 PDT Received: from netcom.netcom.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA04346; Mon, 13 Sep 93 13:27:50 PDT Received: by netcom.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA11654; Mon, 13 Sep 93 13:28:41 -0700 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <9309132028.AA11654@netcom.netcom.com> Subject: Re: D-70 Trivia Test To: dave@elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Dave Hayes) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 13:28:41 PDT Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Roland U-50 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <9309131838.AA13859@elxr.jpl.Nasa.Gov>; from "Dave Hayes" at Sep 13, 93 11:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR >> - If [KY] is active (i.e. master channel is disabled for keyboard part >> reception and duplicate keyboard transmission), the MIDI palette sliders >> completely stop transmitting MIDI, yes? > >I didn't know they ever transmitted MIDI. Do they? Yup, they do. Controllers 16, 17, 18 and 19 on the Controller Channel. >> ... and people think I'm crazy when I tell them that I'm never ever going >> to buy another keyboard synth, and move entirely to master keyboards. > >I think this is wise council. Wiser may be to design one's own master >keyboard...since no mfr ever does it exactly right. I have had a lot of luck merely lobotomizing my U-50 and having my Mac do all the work. It's so light to carry around, and it has 76 nice vel/press/rvel keys...I'm loath to give up on it. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ask me about the Rossimatix Rat Enhancer(TM) ! From z92!n901!f239!Roland_Ivarsson%BadNet@Mail.SWIP.net Thu Sep 16 00:29:08 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA06947; Thu, 16 Sep 93 00:29:07 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA12758; Thu, 16 Sep 93 00:17:36 PDT Received: from mail.swip.net by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA27508; Thu, 16 Sep 93 00:20:19 PDT Received: by mail.swip.net (5.65c8-/1.2) id AA22543; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 09:20:56 +0200 Received: by piraya.bad.se (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Wed, 15 Sep 93 23:13:05 1 for d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Received: by f1.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (0.0.1 BA Datasystem/3C) id AA02028; Wed, 15 Sep 93 23:13:03 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 21:00:36 +0200 From: Roland_Ivarsson@ric.bbs.bad.se (Roland Ivarsson) Subject: Introduction Message-Id: Fidonet-Flags: private To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Reply-To: Roland_Ivarsson@ric.bbs.bad.se (Roland Ivarsson) Status: OR Greetings, D70-lovers and D70-others ! I would like to introduce myself to the list, which a joined a week ago (does not seem to be very much activity right now, though). As of yet I have not found any archives of the list. How long has it existed?? How many are you out there ?? My name is Roland Ivarsson (yes,it Is a proper name, isn't it), and I live and work close to Stockholm, the capital of Sweden. It seems that I occupy myself not less than 35 to 36 hours per day, as a sales manager (my hobby :-)) and as composer/musician/producer in my own production company RIC (music and sound for TV/radio commercials, industrial videos, multimedia, and a fair share of non-commercial productions like installations at art exhibitions). I have done some SYSX-programming (X-oR/UNISYN profiles). Furthermore, I do some teaching in MIDI-related subject a few times per week in a local music institute. I am co-founder of sMIDIg, the independent Swedish MIDI user GROUP. Last but NOT least, wife and two small kids, a house and a garden... I have owned my D70 since it was introduced (the 3rd unit imported, actually). I foolishly bought it as a more capable replacement to my D50, which I traded, only to find out that it was an entirely different beast alltogehter... (so much for the L/A...). Well, the timbre of my productions changed, and sound- wise I am very hapy with the D70, which forms the sonical base of my MIDI work. I am not of the impatient kind, in restless seek for new sensational timbres, and several of the factory presets in slightly modified form (some actually untouched!!) I am still using for new productions, which is NOT the case for my other electronic instruments (feel my kick in the butt, Yamaha SY/TG series? ). However, I peeped into the kilroy FTP site, to see if any of you users had provided a bank or two of fresh timbres, so I could get some new inputs regarding ths sonic qualities of the D70... I found... The factory preset bank. .. Do you share my reluctance to replace the factory sounds (some of them, at least) or are you keeping your patches for yourself?? Regarding the future, I am in the very beginning of replacing most of the equipment in my studio, preparing the move into the digital age. Not much of my present equipment will survive this process, except for my favourite instruments. The D70 is in actual danger of being thrown out in favour of a more comprehendible master keyboard. Either a dedicated mother keyboard or another 76 key keyboard synth, like the SY99 or an old Prophet T8 (!?!). To replace the sonic part of D70 I am thinking of a JD800 (once again with the silly thought that they will sound EXACTLY the same, though some voices lost) or a JD900. A brief equipment list for my studio will put this in some perspective: General studio equipment: MIDI based studio, using Mac and Performer 4.2/UNISYN, synced to an analog 8-track, VCA & Niche-automated mixing, all chase-lockable to SMPTE. MIDI-automated signal processors. All HW pretty old... Synths: Basic Equipment: Roland D70, Yamaha Tx-802, Emax SE, Roland R8M, Digidesign Turbosynth (RS422:d with the Emax). On per-project basis: Korg Wavestaion A/D (will probably become permanent), Kurzweil K2000 (certainly becoming permanent) Akai S1000, Prophet 5, Yamaha TG-77 (thrown out, really, used just occasionally) Other Instruments: Electric and acoustic guitars & basses Looking forward to your comments, Yours /Roland Ivarsson (Roland_Ivarssonaric.bbs.bad.se) From z92!n901!f239!Roland_Ivarsson%BadNet@Mail.SWIP.net Thu Sep 16 00:26:57 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA06941; Thu, 16 Sep 93 00:26:56 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA12761; Thu, 16 Sep 93 00:17:39 PDT Received: from mail.swip.net by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA27509; Thu, 16 Sep 93 00:20:22 PDT Received: by mail.swip.net (5.65c8-/1.2) id AA22549; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 09:20:58 +0200 Received: by piraya.bad.se (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Wed, 15 Sep 93 23:13:08 1 for d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Received: by f1.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (0.0.1 BA Datasystem/3C) id AA02029; Wed, 15 Sep 93 23:13:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 21:44:31 +0200 From: Roland_Ivarsson@ric.bbs.bad.se (Roland Ivarsson) Subject: Latest D70 version ?? Message-Id: Fidonet-Flags: private To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Reply-To: Roland_Ivarsson@ric.bbs.bad.se (Roland Ivarsson) Status: OR What is the latest (last) revision of the D70 HW/SW ?? I ahve upgraded to version 1.14 (September 20 - 1990). I got it as a kit directly from the Roland agent to install myself (including a new ROM and some tampering with the PCB to improve processor speed). The upgrades are free of charge to D70 owners (old ROM must be returned to Roland), in case you did not know. In the installation notes were included a complete revision history up until v. 1.14 including known bugs, and "added functions" (some included in the d70PowerUp file, others not...). In case there are some interest, I could quote some of the stuff for you. Yours /Roland Ivarsson (Roland_Ivarsson@ric.bbs.bad.se) From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 17 06:40:25 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA07387; Fri, 17 Sep 93 06:40:24 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA04599; Fri, 17 Sep 93 06:26:19 PDT Received: from mailhost.an-teallach.com (teallach.ee.ed.ac.uk) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA09886; Fri, 17 Sep 93 06:28:54 PDT Message-Id: <9309171328.AA09886@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> Received: from [192.41.109.102] by mailhost.an-teallach.com with SMTP id AA9934 ; Fri, 17 Sep 93 14:27:11 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 14:27:24 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell) Subject: Re: Latest D70 version ?? Status: OR >I ahve upgraded to version 1.14 (September 20 - 1990). I got it as a kit >directly from the Roland agent to install myself (including a new ROM and some >tampering with the PCB to improve processor speed). I took my 1.00 D-70 straight to 1.16 without any alterations apart from the ROM chips themselves. This is why I don't understand all these conflicting rumours about CPU upgrades and the like. Do your notes mention this stuff in any detail? Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk From jazz@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU Fri Sep 17 14:09:55 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA07419; Fri, 17 Sep 93 14:09:54 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA08612; Fri, 17 Sep 93 13:57:51 PDT Received: from cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (cory-138.EECS.Berkeley.EDU) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA20799; Fri, 17 Sep 93 14:00:34 PDT Received: from localhost (jazz@localhost) by cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (ALPHA-6.56/6.31) id OAA03637; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 14:01:07 -0700 From: Brubeck Message-Id: <199309172101.OAA03637@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: Re: Latest D70 version ?? To: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 14:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov In-Reply-To: <9309171328.AA09886@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> from "Nick Rothwell" at Sep 17, 93 02:27:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 982 Status: OR > > >I ahve upgraded to version 1.14 (September 20 - 1990). I got it as a kit > >directly from the Roland agent to install myself (including a new ROM and some > >tampering with the PCB to improve processor speed). > > I took my 1.00 D-70 straight to 1.16 without any alterations apart from the > ROM chips themselves. This is why I don't understand all these conflicting > rumours about CPU upgrades and the like. Do your notes mention this stuff > in any detail? > > Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk > CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk > > > I had a 1.10 rom, and was told that I could only upgrade to 1.11 (07-06-90) because to go above 1.11 required the next revision of the logic board. Based on Nick's situation, it sounds like newer ROMs may work just fine with the older logic boards. Does anybody out there know the REAL story? Dave Brubeck (Not the famous one, but a distant relative) From metlay@netcom.com Fri Sep 17 15:29:58 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA07428; Fri, 17 Sep 93 15:29:57 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA09583; Fri, 17 Sep 93 15:18:24 PDT Received: from netcom.netcom.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA22742; Fri, 17 Sep 93 15:21:08 PDT Received: by netcom.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA27365; Fri, 17 Sep 93 15:21:38 -0700 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <9309172221.AA27365@netcom.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Latest D70 version ?? To: jazz@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Brubeck) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 15:21:30 PDT Cc: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk, d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov In-Reply-To: <199309172101.OAA03637@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU>; from "Brubeck" at Sep 17, 93 2:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR >> >I ahve upgraded to version 1.14 (September 20 - 1990). I got it as a kit >> >directly from the Roland agent to install myself (including a new ROM and some >> >tampering with the PCB to improve processor speed). >> >> I took my 1.00 D-70 straight to 1.16 without any alterations apart from the >> ROM chips themselves. This is why I don't understand all these conflicting >> rumours about CPU upgrades and the like. Do your notes mention this stuff >> in any detail? >> >> Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk >> CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk >> >> >> >I had a 1.10 rom, and was told that I could only upgrade to 1.11 (07-06-90) >because to go above 1.11 required the next revision of the logic board. >Based on Nick's situation, it sounds like newer ROMs may work just fine >with the older logic boards. Does anybody out there know the REAL story? NO. And not for lack of trying, either. I'll try to dig up the five pages of notes I took in the course of two phone calls to Roland US and one to Roland Canada in a desperate attempt to learn the answer to one simple question: "What is the latest ROM for the U-50 and how do I get it?" (Short form; they sold me 1.14 when I asked for 1.16, and I got NO docs.) -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ask me about the Rossimatix Rat Enhancer(TM) ! From z92!n901!f239!Roland.Ivarsson%BadNet@Mail.SWIP.net Sat Sep 18 22:10:29 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA07776; Sat, 18 Sep 93 22:10:28 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA12452; Sat, 18 Sep 93 20:28:18 PDT Received: from mail.swip.net ([192.71.220.11]) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA28270; Sat, 18 Sep 93 18:43:38 PDT Received: by mail.swip.net (5.65c8-/1.2) id AA17075; Sun, 19 Sep 1993 03:43:27 +0200 Received: by piraya.bad.se (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Sat, 18 Sep 93 23:03:19 1 for d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Received: by f1.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (0.0.1 BA Datasystem/3C) id AA03843; Sat, 18 Sep 93 23:03:17 +0200 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 93 22:40:29 +0200 From: Roland.Ivarsson@ric.bbs.bad.se (Roland Ivarsson) Subject: Latest D-70 version ?? Message-Id: Fidonet-Flags: private To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Reply-To: Roland.Ivarsson@ric.bbs.bad.se (Roland Ivarsson) Status: OR >>> >I ahve upgraded to version 1.14 (September 20 - 1990). I got it as a kit >>> >directly from the Roland agent to install myself (including a new ROM and >>> >some tampering with the PCB to improve processor speed). >>> >>> I took my 1.00 D-70 straight to 1.16 without any alterations apart from the>>> ROM chips themselves. This is why I don't understand all these conflicting >>> rumours about CPU upgrades and the like. Do your notes mention this stuff >>> in any detail? >>> >>> Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk >>> CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk >>> >>> >>> >> I had a 1.10 rom, and was told that I could only upgrade to 1.11 (07-06-90) >> because to go above 1.11 required the next revision of the logic board. >> Based on Nick's situation, it sounds like newer ROMs may work just fine >> with the older logic boards. Does anybody out there know the REAL story? > > NO. And not for lack of trying, either. I'll try to dig up the five pages > of notes I took in the course of two phone calls to Roland US and one to > Roland Canada in a desperate attempt to learn the answer to one simple > question: "What is the latest ROM for the U-50 and how do I get it?" Tricky issue, this one, right..? Well, Nick, Dave and Mike, here's what my "notes" says. Well, the document is actually a "Roland D-70 Service Information" index no.100452C of 15 October 1990, called "Version lister (ver.1.00-ver.1.14). It is too long for me to type (4 A4-size pages) and is in JapanEnglish, which is kind of tricky to comprehend... I'll type the parts concerning the CPU (exactly letter for letter, don't blame me if you don't quite follow) Regarding the upgrade to version 1.11 a change of hardware was recommended in this way: ... << CHANGE OF HARDWARE >> Changed CPU (Main Board) from one wait to no wait. COMPATIBILITY OF MAIN BOARD AND ROM VERSION One Wait ---- Possible to use in ver.1.00. 1.10. and 1.11 No Wait ----- Possible to use only in ver.1.11. [REASON] To improve processing speed (PROBLEM) When sounding the many notes, rate of LFO is unstable. [SERVICE RESPONSE] Please change the hardware when you update the D-70. [HOW TO CHANGE THE MAIN BOARD NO... ... here follows a description of the "tampering", refering to some circuit diagrams. Later on in the document, version 1.12 is described, and... ... >From October production, we have changed CPU (80C196KB) from A step to B step. (A step CPU will be discontinued.) According to this change, software was updated to ver.1.12. Contents of ver.1.12. is the same as ver.1.11. * COMPATIBILITY OF CPU AND SOFTWARE REVISION 1. A step CPU --- ver.1.00 ~ (possible to use in all versions) 2. B step CPU --- ver 1.12 ~ (impossible to use in ver.1.00 ~ ver.1.11. * WHEN USE B STEP CPU IN VER.1.00 ~ VER.1.11. the hangup problem may occur For example; After power on, the unit does not work. * WHEN CHANGE CPU FROM A STEP CPU TO B STEP CPU please remove resistor array RA5 and RA6 on main board (please refer to attached diagram) * HOW TO DISTINGUISH A SETP CPU AND B STEP CPU ther is a "B" mark on the B step CPU. (end of second or third line of marking) there is no mark on A step CPU * PARTS CODE B step CPU has the same parts code as A step #15179297 [EFFECTIVE] S/N AB85150- (from September production) ... Well, sorry, guys... No CPU upgrade for free, as the "A step CPU" will be compatible with forthcoming versions (they said then..). Also, no indication of improved performance with "B step CPU"... But do "tamper" to get "no wait" if you dare... You'll need the circuit diagrams, however. Yours, /Roland (Roland_Ivarsson@ric.bbs.bad.se) From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 21 05:51:54 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA08973; Tue, 21 Sep 93 05:51:52 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA24841; Tue, 21 Sep 93 05:42:45 PDT Received: from mailhost.an-teallach.com ([192.41.109.97]) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA14324; Tue, 21 Sep 93 05:45:26 PDT Message-Id: <9309211245.AA14324@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> Received: from [192.41.109.102] by mailhost.an-teallach.com with SMTP id AA10508 ; Tue, 21 Sep 93 13:43:02 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 13:43:06 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell) Subject: Re: D-70 Trivia Test Status: OR >> Well, that's what I'm doing. I've been using software-based master >> keyboards since the start of last year. >Like which? Like the one I implemented in software. I use Opcode's MAX for a lot of stuff, especially when playing live, and I have a virtual master keyboard (well, two keyboards as it happens) which do layering, zoning, zone initialisation, note holding, controller holding, routing to MIDI processors, this sort of stuff. Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 21 05:57:03 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA08980; Tue, 21 Sep 93 05:57:02 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA24848; Tue, 21 Sep 93 05:46:44 PDT Received: from mailhost.an-teallach.com ([192.41.109.97]) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA14396; Tue, 21 Sep 93 05:49:25 PDT Message-Id: <9309211249.AA14396@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> Received: from [192.41.109.102] by mailhost.an-teallach.com with SMTP id AA10544 ; Tue, 21 Sep 93 13:44:15 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 13:44:18 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell) Subject: Re: Latest D-70 version ?? Status: OR OK, makes sense. The boards were upgraded at some stage, and required new software which was backwards compatible with the old hardware. This explains why my D-70 (i) runs 1.16 (I actually ordered 1.17, but you know...) (ii) has LFO's which slow down when I play chords... Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk From island!island.COM!kin@uunet.UU.NET Tue Nov 23 15:02:05 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA16622; Tue, 23 Nov 93 15:02:03 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA11977; Tue, 23 Nov 93 14:48:43 PST Received: from relay2.UU.NET by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA13216; Tue, 23 Nov 93 14:51:47 PST Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA17080; Tue, 23 Nov 93 17:52:03 -0500 Received: from island.UUCP by uucp6.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 175032.9611; Tue, 23 Nov 1993 17:50:32 EST Received: from sado.island.com (sado-gateway) by island.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03306; Tue, 23 Nov 93 14:43:14 PST Received: from [192.9.203.122] (kinmac) by sado.island.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04570; Tue, 23 Nov 93 14:46:31 PST Message-Id: <9311232246.AA04570@sado.island.com> X-Sender: kin@sado Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 14:54:25 -0800 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: kin@island.COM (Joaquin Blas) Subject: D-70 Weirdness Status: O When I plug my new SN-U110 Sound Effects card into my D-70, and I check out its sounds in PCM mode. Returning to the normal play mode causes my D-70 to send velocities of 127 no matter how soft I hit the keys. I usually remedy this by restarting my D-70. Anyone else experience this? By the way, this is my only PCM card so I'm not sure if it does this with all cards. --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com From clark@brahms.amd.com Tue Nov 23 15:52:32 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA16645; Tue, 23 Nov 93 15:52:31 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA12213; Tue, 23 Nov 93 15:42:55 PST Received: from amdext.amd.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA14566; Tue, 23 Nov 93 15:46:07 PST Received: from amdint.amd.com by amdext.amd.com with SMTP id AA23110 (5.67a/IDA-1.5+AMD for ); Tue, 23 Nov 1993 15:46:26 -0800 Received: from brahms.amd.com by amdint.amd.com with SMTP id AA15957 (5.67a/IDA-1.5+AMD for ); Tue, 23 Nov 1993 15:46:26 -0800 Received: from angelo.amd.com by brahms.amd.com (4.1/AMDSN-1.18) id AA28915; Tue, 23 Nov 93 15:46:24 PST Received: by angelo.amd.com (4.1/AMDC-1.18) id AA10864; Tue, 23 Nov 93 15:45:55 PST From: clark@brahms.amd.com (Brad D. Clark) Message-Id: <9311232345.AA10864@angelo.amd.com> Subject: Dropping keys - a problem? To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 15:45:55 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 745 Status: OR Fellow D70-ers: I am having a problem w/my D70.... or maybe it's my playing style... I seem to keep dropping keys (just got it out of the shop for a dropped key & shorted out MIDI scanner chip, then the same night, I drop 2 more keys). I tend to have a rather heavy, strong style of playing... I don't know how to put it, but it's _not_ delicate. Is there any mod I can do to strengthen the keyboard? Or do I have to try and remember to be a little more gentle with the hand strength? The second option is gonna be hard, because I trained for years on classical and then spent more years playing jazz/funk/fusion on a Rhodes. I've even shattered keys on B3s... sigh.... Thanis in advance for any suggestions... Brad clark@brahms.amd.com From rme1000@hermes.cam.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 16:00:37 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA16653; Tue, 23 Nov 93 16:00:35 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA12244; Tue, 23 Nov 93 15:51:19 PST Received: from ppsw2.cam.ac.uk (snow.csi.cam.ac.uk) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA14808; Tue, 23 Nov 93 15:54:50 PST Received: from qu610-07.quns.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <03360-0@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Tue, 23 Nov 1993 23:54:54 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 23:54:51 +0000 From: Mark Etherington To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: Dropping keys - a problem? Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I've had problems with dodgy keys on my D-70 too. I bought mine ex-display, and I was soon having problems with it, which were fixed under guarantee. I've got some keys which I can feel are on their way out again, but the instrument's now out of guarantee so I'm reluctant to do anything until I have to. I'm also a classically-trained pianist, who alternates through many different instruments (from Steinway concert grands down to cheap Casio home keyboards with mini-keys) and so I suppose I've just got to remember to alter my playing style when using my D-70. Looking at the output velocities though, you have to hit the keys fairly hard to get up towards the maximum (127). So for now I think I'll blame Roland instead of my fingers, until I can afford a stage piano. Good to be getting stuff off the list again. Cheers, Mark Etherington Queens' College Cambridge, UK. From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Sun Nov 28 10:51:09 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA00331; Sun, 28 Nov 93 10:51:06 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil (4.1/SMI-4.1+xDXRm2.2) id AA18446; Thu, 25 Nov 93 09:00:31 PST Received: from post.demon.co.uk by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA09597; Thu, 25 Nov 93 09:03:28 PST Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa01949; 25 Nov 93 17:02 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 17:02:19 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: D-70 Weirdness Message-Id: <9311251702.aa01949@post.demon.co.uk> Status: OR > Anyone else experience this? I have the same card and have never noticed this (which is not to say that it doesn't happen; but my D-70 is away right now). Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk From metlay@netcom.com Sun Dec 26 11:21:38 1993 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA01706; Sun, 26 Dec 93 11:21:36 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id LAA23073; Sun, 26 Dec 1993 11:02:28 -0800 Received: from mail.netcom.com (netcom2.netcom.com) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA06651; Sun, 26 Dec 93 11:04:44 PST Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA07087; Sun, 26 Dec 1993 11:06:00 -0800 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <199312261906.LAA07087@mail.netcom.com> Subject: D-70 questions on Galaxy, Tones, hard reset, factory patches To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Roland U-50 Mailing List) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1993 11:05:59 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1179 Status: OR Hi, all. I've been put in the awkward position of attempting to advise a friend with a D-70 and a new Galaxy program that he's using to archive his stuff. Is there anyone out there with experience of how Galaxy handles the D-70 patch structure who can answer some technical queries, specifically about how (or if) Galaxy "attaches" Tones to Patches and Patches to Performances? On a more general note, does anyone have a tried-and-true method for organizing Tones so they don't get accidentally deleted when messing around with Patches that might use them elsewhere? This drives me nuts, as I've managed to ruin several of my favorite patches this way. Also, I have heard rumors that there's a powerup keypress sequence that restores the factory presets. Is this true? If so, what is it? Alternatively, would anyone be willing to send me a Galaxy disk with the factory patches on it? Many thanks and happy 1994 to all! -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I'll make you a deal: You control your imagination, and I'll control my cynicism." (n. rothwell) From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 8 06:16:13 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA00697; Sat, 8 Jan 94 06:16:10 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id GAA01490; Sat, 8 Jan 1994 06:04:43 -0800 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA15471; Sat, 8 Jan 94 06:07:02 PST Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa10638; 8 Jan 94 14:03 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 8 Jan 1994 14:03:19 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: D-70 questions on Galaxy, Tones, hard reset, factory patches Message-Id: <9401081403.aa10638@post.demon.co.uk> Status: OR >Is there anyone out there with experience of how >Galaxy handles the D-70 patch structure who can answer some technical >queries, specifically about how (or if) Galaxy "attaches" Tones to >Patches and Patches to Performances? I don't remember but I've used this and can try it out to see what happens. >On a more general note, does anyone have a tried-and-true method for >organizing Tones so they don't get accidentally deleted when messing >around with Patches that might use them elsewhere? Start with a totally empty machine. (Set up Galaxy default empty patches accordingly: point all the patches at Tone b88, all Performances at Patch 88.) Program it from the bottom upwards, or paste patches or performances into new slots as you go. When Galaxy warns you that there's no more space for child patches, do a garbage-collect: start with a brand new empty bank, and copy/paste the performances you want across from the old bank (that's the crucial trick). This is the way I work with ALL my instruments (especially the Wavestations). >Also, I have heard rumors that there's a powerup keypress sequence >that restores the factory presets. Is this true? If so, what is it? I have the three-fingered salutes somewhere, but I don't think that is one. My machine was second-hand (running system 1.00 would you believe: jurassic hardware here) and had some of the presets overwritten with things called SYNTH, PIANO, VOICE and so on... Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk From dave@elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Mon Jan 10 12:36:34 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA00482; Mon, 10 Jan 94 12:36:33 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id MAA21748; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 12:18:37 -0800 Received: from elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (elxr-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA22657; Mon, 10 Jan 94 12:20:04 PST Received: from localhost by elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id MAA02150; Mon, 10 Jan 1994 12:21:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199401102021.MAA02150@elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: D-70 questions on Galaxy, Tones, hard reset, factory patches Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 12:21:02 -0800 From: Dave Hayes Status: OR > >Also, I have heard rumors that there's a powerup keypress sequence > >that restores the factory presets. Is this true? If so, what is it? > I have the three-fingered salutes somewhere, but I don't think that is one. That _is_ present but I can't find my cheat sheet. I do know the pattern, however, and you can feel free to experiment (SAVE your patches somewhere first). The sequence is turning the power on with one of the bank or patch keys depressed. ------ Dave Hayes - Institutional Network & Communications - JPL/NASA - Pasadena CA dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov ...usc!elroy!dxh What bread looks like depends upon whether you are hungry or not. From jazz@po.EECS.Berkeley.EDU Sun Jan 30 23:48:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA10583; Sun, 30 Jan 94 23:48:30 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id XAA26793; Sun, 30 Jan 1994 23:35:35 -0800 Received: from po.EECS.Berkeley.EDU by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA11499; Sun, 30 Jan 94 23:37:56 PST Received: from localhost (jazz@localhost) by po.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.4/8.6.4) id XAA02714 for d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov; Sun, 30 Jan 1994 23:39:26 -0800 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 1994 23:39:26 -0800 From: David Brubeck Message-Id: <199401310739.XAA02714@po.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: For sale: D-70 sounds Status: OR For Sale: 4 banks of D70 sounds from Sound Source. With original disk & instructions. Each of the four banks includes 64 performances and 128 patches. The banks are titled: "Artist Series" "Synthesizer Collection" "Atmospheric Textures" "Proteus/XR Impressions" These come on a Macintosh floppy disk. Includes download program. Cost $100 new, will sell for $60. I'm also selling my D70. Anyone interested? Dave Brubeck (not the jazz musician!) jazz@cory.eecs.berkeley.edu (510) 643-2904 From metlay@netcom.com Wed Feb 16 09:08:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA19248; Wed, 16 Feb 94 09:08:56 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id IAA25214; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 08:45:34 -0800 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA01889; Wed, 16 Feb 94 08:47:08 PST Received: from localhost by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id IAA10156; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 08:49:14 -0800 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <199402161649.IAA10156@netcom8.netcom.com> Subject: Re: SOUNDS To: cfowler@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Christian Fowler) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 08:49:11 -0800 (PST) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Roland U-50 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <199402152044.PAA23392@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> from "Christian Fowler" at Feb 15, 94 03:44:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 795 Status: OR >Hello D-70 people? > > I'm looking for some sounds....any leads??? Sound Source sells five sets. I'm sure Valhalla has some. The U-50 is the only machine in ten years of my working with programmable synths where I have even contemplated buying someone else's sounds as a starting point for my own work, because I find the UI so painful and the the memory hierarchy so daunting. It seems that despite all the care I take, I regularly discover patches I've destroyed by mucking with the wrong tones. AIEEE! :( Excuse me while I smash my head against the wall. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Connellion to the nutput jaek." (o.c.r. attempting to grok xpander manual) From cfowler@csugrad.cs.vt.edu Wed Feb 16 09:21:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA19254; Wed, 16 Feb 94 09:21:22 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id JAA25302; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 09:02:02 -0800 Received: from csugrad.cs.vt.edu by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA02476; Wed, 16 Feb 94 09:02:58 PST Received: from localhost (cfowler@localhost) by csugrad.cs.vt.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id MAA10906; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 12:04:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 12:04:28 -0500 From: Christian Fowler Message-Id: <199402161704.MAA10906@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> To: metlay@netcom.com Subject: Re: SOUNDS Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Status: OR the U-50??? I was looking for minimal investment on the sounds.... christian From metlay@netcom.com Thu Feb 17 13:42:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA20445; Thu, 17 Feb 94 13:42:10 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id NAA00800; Thu, 17 Feb 1994 13:25:03 -0800 Received: from mail.netcom.com (netcom5.netcom.com) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA08872; Thu, 17 Feb 94 13:27:04 PST Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA03029; Thu, 17 Feb 1994 13:29:14 -0800 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <199402172129.NAA03029@mail.netcom.com> Subject: Re: SOUNDS To: cfowler@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Christian Fowler) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 13:29:10 -0800 (PST) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Roland U-50 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <199402161704.MAA10906@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> from "Christian Fowler" at Feb 16, 94 12:04:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 958 Status: OR Christian Fowler writes: > >the U-50??? The original name for the Roland D-70 is the Roland U-50, as a look at the PC board etchings inside the synth (at least early ones, if not all of them) will show. I have no idea why the name was changed at the last minute, but I hate it. Anyone who's used a D-50 can tell you that the D-70 is NOT an outgrowth of the D-50 at all, it's a very different beastie. Much as the L/A synthesis of the D-10 and D-20 is expanded upon with new features and greater flexibility in the D-50, the D-70 represents an expansion of the RS/PCM synthesis of the U-20. It really should have been marketed as the U-50, an "Advanced RS/PCM" machine, as "Advanced L/A" bears no resemblance to L/A at all. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Connellion to the nutput jaek." (o.c.r. attempting to grok xpander manual) From dave@elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Thu Feb 17 14:04:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA20488; Thu, 17 Feb 94 14:04:34 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id NAA00921; Thu, 17 Feb 1994 13:52:41 -0800 Received: from elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (elxr-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA09473; Thu, 17 Feb 94 13:55:43 PST Received: from localhost by elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id NAA20705; Thu, 17 Feb 1994 13:55:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199402172155.NAA20705@elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> To: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Roland U-50 Mailing List) Subject: Re: SOUNDS Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 13:55:54 -0800 From: Dave Hayes Status: OR > point for my own work, because I find the UI so painful and the the > memory hierarchy so daunting. It seems that despite all the care I take, > I regularly discover patches I've destroyed by mucking with the wrong > tones. AIEEE! :( Excuse me while I smash my head against the wall. Dammit...when is the PC going to get a good universal editor librarian? ------ Dave Hayes - Institutional Network & Communications - JPL/NASA - Pasadena CA dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov ...usc!elroy!dxh A man appointed to be judge has been killed without a knife. From cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 18 09:34:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA21379; Fri, 18 Feb 94 09:34:09 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id JAA03807; Fri, 18 Feb 1994 09:09:10 -0800 Received: from demon-du.an-teallach.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA03589; Fri, 18 Feb 94 09:10:34 PST Message-Id: <9402181710.AA03589@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> Received: from [193.195.33.102] by demon-du.an-teallach.com with SMTP id AA49830 ; Fri, 18 Feb 94 17:11:18 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 17:11:48 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell) Subject: Re: SOUNDS Status: OR >I have no idea why the name was changed at the >last minute, but I hate it. Marketing, I suspect. Everyone was clamouring for a D-50 II, so why not simply rename a product at the last minute? No work involved apart from a new silkscreen and some minor changes to the manual and firmware. >Much as the L/A synthesis of the D-10 and D-20 is expanded >upon with new features and greater flexibility in the D-50, It was actually the other way round. The D-50 came first. The D-10 and friends had improved performance architectures (they were multitimbral, and much sought after because of it; this was unusual in 1988) but the synthesis engines were a lot weaker. I still have a D-50 (well, a D-550) because of some of the unique things it can do (I mean, six LFO's and two parametric EQ's per patch?), whereas the D-10 and friends are unspectacular these days. Nick Rothwell | cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk From cfowler@csugrad.cs.vt.edu Wed Mar 2 12:04:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA07326; Wed, 2 Mar 94 12:04:28 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id LAA00918; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 11:28:47 -0800 Received: from csugrad.cs.vt.edu by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA01485; Wed, 2 Mar 94 11:30:31 PST Received: from localhost (cfowler@localhost) by csugrad.cs.vt.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id OAA20753; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:32:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:32:13 -0500 From: Christian Fowler Message-Id: <199403021932.OAA20753@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Third Party Sounds Cc: eps@reed.edu, wavestation@otax.tky.hut.fi Status: OR Hi, I happened to see the add in the new Keyboard (April) which I received yesterday A company called Sound Source has a sale on all there sounds for about 40% off. D-70 Banks - $19.98 for disk Wavestation - $24.98 for disk many others.... I'm not affiliated, but finally some prices that may tempt me enough to break down and buy some 3rd party stuff, and its within my meager student budget. christian From bert@netcom.com Wed Mar 2 14:53:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA07499; Wed, 2 Mar 94 14:53:24 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id OAA02320; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:33:18 -0800 Received: from mail.netcom.com (netcom6.netcom.com) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA05795; Wed, 2 Mar 94 14:35:31 PST Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id OAA23163; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:38:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:38:06 -0800 From: bert@netcom.com (Roberto Sierra) Message-Id: <199403022238.OAA23163@mail.netcom.com> To: cfowler@csugrad.cs.vt.edu, d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: Third Party Sounds Cc: eps@reed.edu, wavestation@otax.tky.hut.fi Status: OR << I happened to see the add in the new Keyboard (April) which I received yesterday A company called Sound Source has a sale on all there sounds for about 40% off. D-70 Banks - $19.98 for disk Wavestation - $24.98 for disk >> If you happen to buy these sounds, let us all know what you think (post a review, and the address of the place). I've been considering buying new sounds myself, but most of the collections I've seen are plenty more expensive ($50-$70). I can dig up company names if anyone wants.... \\|// "Doog" spelled backwards is "good." - - o o roberto sierra J tempered microdesigns O san francisco, ca \_/ bert@netcom.com From metlay@netcom.com Thu Mar 3 06:33:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA07777; Thu, 3 Mar 94 06:33:00 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id GAA05147; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 06:09:28 -0800 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA25964; Thu, 3 Mar 94 06:12:10 PST Received: from localhost by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id GAA09283; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 06:14:46 -0800 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <199403031414.GAA09283@netcom8.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Third Party Sounds To: cfowler@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Christian Fowler) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 06:14:46 -0800 (PST) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Roland U-50 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <199403021932.OAA20753@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> from "Christian Fowler" at Mar 2, 94 02:32:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 816 Status: OR >I happened to see the add in the new Keyboard (April) which I received yesterday > >A company called Sound Source has a sale on all there sounds for about 40% off. > >D-70 Banks - $19.98 for disk I recently got a couple of these banks, used, from someone who was selling his U-50, as emergency patches to download when I started having my Galaxy problems. I wasn't very impressed with any of them, but I'm a hard sell. I would say that the Atmospheric and Artist volumes might be worth 20 bucks; the Proteus/XR imitations are patently dreadful. -- mike metlay | ****This week's "Context is Everything" Quote**** atomic city | p.o.box 81175 | "Don't be so timid that you have to keep feeling pgh pa 15217-0675 | your knob." metlay@netcom.com | (j. hoffman) From metlay@netcom.com Sun Mar 13 20:41:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA17074; Sun, 13 Mar 94 20:41:40 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id UAA06094; Sun, 13 Mar 1994 20:25:46 -0800 Received: from mail.netcom.com (netcom5.netcom.com) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA27960; Sun, 13 Mar 94 20:27:35 PST Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id UAA09526; Sun, 13 Mar 1994 20:30:21 -0800 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <199403140430.UAA09526@mail.netcom.com> Subject: Update on ROM upgrades and Galaxy problems To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Roland U-50 Mailing List) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 20:30:21 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3535 Status: OR Well, gang, I finally got around to working with Galaxy on my U-50, and discovered that little things like linking tones to patches were minor....first, I need to get the two talking to each other at all! DUMP from synth to computer: works fine, if a bit slow. LOAD from computer into synth: gags almost immediately with a "Sysex Error!" followed by a "MIDI buffer full!". No subset of the bundle appears to work properly in this way. The speed at which things are sent from the synth to the Mac is much slower than the speed at which the Mac tries to send things to the synth. It seems to be having problems in handshake mode, since I have a bulk dump/load program (SSU YLIB) that works perfectly in Extended Product Mode (power up while holding Button Number 5) in both directions, and very quickly too. I have not yet spoken to Opcode Tech Support about this. I first suspected the U-50, since mine is old and hadn't had a very good job done on it by the last repair tech to work on it; so I called Roland. Their solution was to take my U-50 away and give it a complete motherboard swap (see note added below); while it's nice to finally have a most-current machine, the problem remains, although I did get a set of factory patches to mangle out of the deal and they only charged me five bucks for a new lithium battery, the board swap being free. They claimed that it would definitely solve all problems. They were, as usual, wrong. Before I take time off from work to sit at home with my Mac up and running and a wireless phone held up to my ear with an Opcode tech on the other end giving me the half-hour-long verbal equivalent of a shrug, I thought I'd ask here about anyone who may have had and fixed (or not fixed) this problem. I know there are people out there who can get Galaxy and the U-50 to work together, even if one excludes the rhythm setup, which apparently never works. Please help me! PS. A final conclusion to the split-development-path problem on Roland's part appears to be this motherboard swap, which replaces the most vital parts of the instrument's guts and updates the ROMs to version 1.18. I have no idea what bugs are fixed in this manner; there are no new features added. I dread the possibility that the motherboard swap was supposed to fix things and didn't, whether because it was the wrong kind of motherboard or it was installed incorrectly. But I guess there's no sense in making up things to worry about. PPS. I finally went Nick one better in terms of modifying my U-50 to be friendlier to work with when gigging out! Nick wished that his U-50 had a detachable power cable, or "A flying mains lead" as they say in the UK; he cut his power cord off, and soldered a standard business machine three-prong inline socket to the stump, then cable-clipped it to the back panel where it would be out of the way. I felt that was handy but inelegant; I had the repair shop that installed the new motherboard also route out a hole in the rear panel and install a flush-mount power cable socket. It's a lovely piece of work, and very handy for those of us who lose sleep over things like strain relief. To say nothing of rendering my U-50 instantly identifiable, even without a close look at the serial number, in case of theft. -- mike metlay | atomic city | "303 - Roland. 323 - Mazda. 606 - Roland. 626 - Mazda. p.o.box 81175 | 404? If vaporware could drive, I'd guess Mazda." pgh pa 15217-0675 | metlay@netcom.com | (a. claassen) From bert@netcom.com Mon Mar 14 04:15:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA17106; Mon, 14 Mar 94 04:14:49 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id DAA06333; Mon, 14 Mar 1994 03:50:48 -0800 Received: from mail.netcom.com (netcom4.netcom.com) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA07073; Mon, 14 Mar 94 03:52:44 PST Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id DAA15219; Mon, 14 Mar 1994 03:55:36 -0800 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 03:55:36 -0800 From: bert@netcom.com (Roberto Sierra) Message-Id: <199403141155.DAA15219@mail.netcom.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov, metlay@netcom.com Subject: Re: Update on ROM upgrades and Galaxy problems Status: OR << Well, gang, I finally got around to working with Galaxy on my U-50, and discovered that little things like linking tones to patches were minor....first, I need to get the two talking to each other at all! DUMP from synth to computer: works fine, if a bit slow. LOAD from computer into synth: gags almost immediately with a "Sysex Error!" followed by a "MIDI buffer full!". No subset of the bundle appears to work properly in this way. >> I've been using both the Opcode librarian module (old and new) and a librarian module of my own design with my D-70 (a.k.a. U-50) with my ROM/motherboard level at Version 1.10 4/19/1990. Except for the very occasional glitches that happen on MIDI lines in general, I haven't experienced any problems. Of course, Version 1.10 is ancient as compared to today's ROM level, but if you're calling your system a U-50 and not a D-70, then it sounds to me like you're dealing with a *truly* ancient system. Offhand, I'd say you'd be better off getting the motherboard upgrade in general, regardless of whether or not it fixes your SysEx problem. [I'd say your odds are maybe a bit better than 50-50.] Perhaps there are some D-70 (U-50) users out there with older ROMs still in their units than me who can comment on whether or not they've had Opcode librarian problems. I'm actually planning to sell the D-70 I've got and purchase a brand new one in maybe six months or so. I think that'll end up costing about the same amount of money as doing a board swap, provided I can find a buyer. The Opcode D-70 librarian module speaks to the D-70 using the 'one-way' protocol mode. That's the slowest of the three protocols that are available, the other two being 'handshake' mode (pretty fast), and Extend Product Mode (Number 5 on power-up), which is blazingly fast but totally inflexible (allows you to only send or receive *all* the stuff in memory, not individual patches, tones, etc.). I've had no problems using Opcodes D-70 module, which is using one-way mode, with my unit (ROM 1.10). Note however, that you *do* need cables running both to and from the D-70 (I assume you haven't overlooked that obvious fact). I wrote my custom D-70 librarian module in 1991, as I remember, roughly six or nine months before Opcode's version came out. To this day, I prefer to use my version, for several reasons. First, it uses handshake mode, which I would hazard a guess is about three times faster than one-way mode for sending and receiving data. Second, there's extensive error checking *on each packet* of data. If there's a problem, you'll know about it. One-way transfer mode can have problems that won't get reported. You can only hope that the D-70 checksum will fail, but that's not guaranteed. Third, my librarian module manages two areas which, so far as I remember, the Opcode librarian doesn't manager (it's been a while since I've used Opcodes librarian, but I know it works -- I used it a lot about a year and a half ago, and my software and ROM levels are the same now as then). My librarian module allows you to manager the patches, tones, etc., contained on a RAM card, *AND* allows you to manage the stuff in temporary storage (this is the stuff that goes away when you turn off the machine). I like this, because it means that I can work on a piece -- get very specific volumes and pan settings, or tweak any parameter of any voice and *not* have to save these changes to the voice, patch, etc. I can thus take a snapshot of the Temporary area (and Internal area) and totally recreate the state of the machine at a later date, and decide whether or not to save that patch that I was tweaking. Anyway, there are several caveats to using my librarian module, the big one being that you can't install BOTH my librarian module and the Opcode module at the same time into Galaxy -- but that's trivial to fix. It's just because I used the same names for the patch, performance, tone, and other data banks, as Opcode did. [Actually, Opcode chose the same names as *I'd* already been using -- remember that mine came out first, and even developed a small cult following on CompuServe and AOL.] Well -- if there's anyone out there sick of the speed limitations of Opcode's librarian module, I can fix the name problem and rerelease the code in a week or two, with instructions. I would hate to go back to using the Opcode librarian module simply because of speed issues, but as it standard I must use the front panel to edit patches -- I can't use the Galaxy Plus Editors editor module, because of that little naming conflict that I must fix. I digress -- the point is, again, that I've used both Opcodes librarian (one-way protocol) and my custom librarian (faster handshake protocol) without any problems. I can't really see why you're having any problem, but my hunch would be it's one of the following, most likely: 1) Ancient Motherboard. 2) Something else. As to what odds you might have in fixing the problem with a motherboard swap, I can't tell you. What's your ROM level?? Maybe what I've said helps, maybe not. Let me know if there are any courageous folks out there who want to try out an alternative librarian module that will be substantially faster (though again -- there are some caveats to be aware of). \\|// "Doog" spelled backwards is "good." - - o o roberto sierra J tempered microdesigns O san francisco, ca \_/ bert@netcom.com From bert@netcom.com Mon Mar 14 13:30:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA17425; Mon, 14 Mar 94 13:30:48 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id NAA08392; Mon, 14 Mar 1994 13:07:33 -0800 Received: from mail.netcom.com (netcom6.netcom.com) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA21817; Mon, 14 Mar 94 13:09:36 PST Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA13045; Mon, 14 Mar 1994 13:12:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 13:12:29 -0800 From: bert@netcom.com (Roberto Sierra) Message-Id: <199403142112.NAA13045@mail.netcom.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: D-70 / U-50 Confusion... Status: OR Thomas Stedman () wrote: << Hi Roberto, Would you tell me if the U-50 is a rack-mount D70? If not, what is it?? Thanks, Thomas >> OK guys -- let's settle this once and for all. What the heck is a U-50, anyway??!? Is it just an ancient name for the D-70 that was changed at the last minute, or is it some other product that I've never heard abuot (like a rack-mount D-70). I was assuming the former only on the basis of what I'd heard posted to the D-70 User's Group about a month ago -- I could be totally misinformed. What's the scoop?? Here's that message from about a month ago that I saw. Can anyone verify that this is the true-poop? << Christian Fowler writes: > >the U-50??? The original name for the Roland D-70 is the Roland U-50, as a look at the PC board etchings inside the synth (at least early ones, if not all of them) will show. I have no idea why the name was changed at the last minute, but I hate it. Anyone who's used a D-50 can tell you that the D-70 is NOT an outgrowth of the D-50 at all, it's a very different beastie. Much as the L/A synthesis of the D-10 and D-20 is expanded upon with new features and greater flexibility in the D-50, the D-70 represents an expansion of the RS/PCM synthesis of the U-20. It really should have been marketed as the U-50, an "Advanced RS/PCM" machine, as "Advanced L/A" bears no resemblance to L/A at all. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com >> \\|// "Doog" spelled backwards is "good." - - o o roberto sierra J tempered microdesigns O san francisco, ca \_/ bert@netcom.com From greg@ups-sucks.tcp.com Mon Mar 14 15:42:49 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA17447; Mon, 14 Mar 94 15:42:37 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id PAA01269; Mon, 14 Mar 1994 15:26:39 -0800 Received: from ups-sucks.tcp.com (xylem.biostr.washington.edu) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA22876; Mon, 14 Mar 94 13:55:09 PST Received: from localhost (greg@localhost) by ups-sucks.tcp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id NAA20736; Mon, 14 Mar 1994 13:55:56 -0800 From: Greg Kolanek Message-Id: <199403142155.NAA20736@ups-sucks.tcp.com> Subject: Re: Update on ROM upgrades and Galaxy problems To: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 13:55:53 -0800 (PST) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov In-Reply-To: <199403140430.UAA09526@mail.netcom.com> from "metlay" at Mar 13, 94 08:30:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1455 Status: OR > LOAD from computer into synth: gags almost immediately with a "Sysex > Error!" followed by a "MIDI buffer full!". No subset of the bundle > appears to work properly in this way. I once had this problem when doing bulk dumps and loads, too. I finally discovered that the problem is a single parameter on the System page. The SysEx receive parameter is sent along with the bulk dump. So, if SysEx Receive is disabled, when you're loading back into the D-70, it gets to this parameter and *is no longer able to receive any SysEx*, so the transfer chokes on itself. The SysEx info piles up at the In and gives you those two error messages. The solution, obviuosly, is to make sure that you leave the SysEx receive option enabled at all times. > the UK; he cut his power cord off, and soldered a standard business > machine three-prong inline socket to the stump, then cable-clipped it > to the back panel where it would be out of the way. I felt that was > handy but inelegant; I had the repair shop that installed the new > motherboard also route out a hole in the rear panel and install a > flush-mount power cable socket. It's a lovely piece of work, and > very handy for those of us who lose sleep over things like strain > relief. To say nothing of rendering my U-50 instantly identifiable, > even without a close look at the serial number, in case of theft. How much were you charged for this mod? I wouldn't mind it myself. :) -greg@tcp.com From metlay@netcom.com Tue Mar 15 08:10:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA18239; Tue, 15 Mar 94 08:10:25 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id HAA02795; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 07:42:54 -0800 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA15156; Tue, 15 Mar 94 07:40:37 PST Received: from localhost by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id HAA15622; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 07:43:10 -0800 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <199403151543.HAA15622@netcom8.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Update on ROM upgrades and Galaxy problems To: bert@netcom8.netcom.com (Roberto Sierra) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 07:43:03 -0800 (PST) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Roland U-50 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <199403141155.DAA15219@mail.netcom.com> from "Roberto Sierra" at Mar 14, 94 03:55:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 6020 Status: OR Roberto: >I've been using both the Opcode librarian module (old and new) >and a librarian module of my own design with my D-70 (a.k.a. U-50) >with my ROM/motherboard level at Version 1.10 4/19/1990. Except >for the very occasional glitches that happen on MIDI lines in >general, I haven't experienced any problems. I was afraid of that. There's something weird in my particular setup, I guess. >Of course, Version 1.10 is ancient as compared to today's ROM level, >but if you're calling your system a U-50 and not a D-70, then it >sounds to me like you're dealing with a *truly* ancient system. See the post of mine that you yourself quoted recently. I call the D-70 a U-50 because that's what it IS, regardless of the ROM level. I'm sorry if there are folks out there who are easily confused by this, but I feel very strongly on this matter. Calling the U-50 a D-70 is a disservice to the U-series and the D-series alike. >Offhand, I'd say you'd be better off getting the motherboard >upgrade in general, regardless of whether or not it fixes your >SysEx problem. [I'd say your odds are maybe a bit better than >50-50.] I can't take your money with a clear conscience, not even at those odds. If you reread my post that you're replying to, you'll see that I have already had the upgrade to 1.18 installed, and it didn't fix anything. >Perhaps there are some D-70 (U-50) users out there with older >ROMs still in their units than me who can comment on whether or >not they've had Opcode librarian problems. I'm actually >planning to sell the D-70 I've got and purchase a brand new >one in maybe six months or so. I think that'll end up costing >about the same amount of money as doing a board swap, provided >I can find a buyer. Save your money. If you tell Roland that your board isn't working with Galaxy or give some other excuse like that, they'll do the board swap for free and reimburse your local authorized service center for the labor. At least, they did so with me. Even before the board swap, my unit was more recent than yours; I brought it up from 1.07 to 1.11 right after I bought it. >The Opcode D-70 librarian module speaks to the D-70 using the >'one-way' protocol mode. That's the slowest of the three protocols >that are available, the other two being 'handshake' mode (pretty >fast), and Extend Product Mode (Number 5 on power-up), which is >blazingly fast but totally inflexible (allows you to only send or >receive *all* the stuff in memory, not individual patches, tones, >etc.). I've had no problems using Opcodes D-70 module, which is >using one-way mode, with my unit (ROM 1.10). Note however, that >you *do* need cables running both to and from the D-70 (I assume >you haven't overlooked that obvious fact). Nope, I haven't. I've even bypassed my MIDI switcher and hooked the U-50 directly to the MIDI interface. I also mentioned that the unit works just fine in Extended Product Mode (I'm using the SSU YLIB utility to do this; handy little beast, that), for both loading and dumping. But I have patches in Galaxy that I can't get out again, since they are stored in a format that bulk librarians can't read. >I wrote my custom D-70 librarian module in 1991, as I remember, >roughly six or nine months before Opcode's version came out. >To this day, I prefer to use my version, for several reasons. >My librarian module allows you to manager the patches, tones, >etc., contained on a RAM card, *AND* allows you to manage the >stuff in temporary storage (this is the stuff that goes away >when you turn off the machine). I like this, because it means >that I can work on a piece -- get very specific volumes and >pan settings, or tweak any parameter of any voice and *not* >have to save these changes to the voice, patch, etc. I can >thus take a snapshot of the Temporary area (and Internal area) >and totally recreate the state of the machine at a later date, >and decide whether or not to save that patch that I was >tweaking. Can these two areas be saved as parts of a Bundle? >Well -- if there's anyone out there sick of the speed limitations >of Opcode's librarian module, I can fix the name problem and >rerelease the code in a week or two, with instructions. I would >hate to go back to using the Opcode librarian module simply >because of speed issues, but as it standard I must use the >front panel to edit patches -- I can't use the Galaxy Plus Editors >editor module, because of that little naming conflict that I >must fix. You've got my vote. I'm having problems with downloads and debinhexing, so I would gladly pay you for mailing me a floppy disk with the module and any instructions I might need. Or you can consider me a desperate beta tester. :) >I can't really see why you're having any problem, but my hunch >would be it's one of the following, most likely: > >1) Ancient Motherboard. Not. >2) Something else. Obviously. >As to what odds you might have in fixing the problem with a >motherboard swap, I can't tell you. What's your ROM level?? 1.18. Higher than just about anyone else out there right now. Roland was sure it would help too, but it didn't. >Maybe what I've said helps, maybe not. Let me know if there >are any courageous folks out there who want to try out an >alternative librarian module that will be substantially faster >(though again -- there are some caveats to be aware of). What caveats are those, precisely? Also, it just occurred to me that while it would be nice to have a faster librarian module for future use, your module won't help me retrieve the stuff I've saved already with the Opcode standard module and can't get at now, so I *still* need to find a fix. Argh. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** Pointless Fun for 1994: Help Me Add Languages To This List! *** ENGLISH: I've been kidnapped by aliens. What year is it? LATIN: Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt. Qui annus est? From metlay@netcom.com Tue Mar 15 08:18:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA18253; Tue, 15 Mar 94 08:18:34 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id HAA02812; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 07:52:23 -0800 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA15359; Tue, 15 Mar 94 07:50:26 PST Received: from localhost by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id HAA16585; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 07:53:18 -0800 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <199403151553.HAA16585@netcom8.netcom.com> Subject: Re: D-70 / U-50 Confusion...NOT To: bert@netcom.com (Roberto Sierra) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 07:53:18 -0800 (PST) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Roland U-50 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <199403142112.NAA13045@mail.netcom.com> from "Roberto Sierra" at Mar 14, 94 01:12:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2509 Status: OR >Thomas Stedman () wrote: ><< >Hi Roberto, > Would you tell me if the U-50 is a rack-mount D70? If not, what is it?? >Thanks, > Thomas > >OK guys -- let's settle this once and for all. What the heck is >a U-50, anyway??!? Is it just an ancient name for the D-70 that >was changed at the last minute, or is it some other product that >I've never heard abuot (like a rack-mount D-70). I was assuming >the former only on the basis of what I'd heard posted to the D-70 >User's Group about a month ago -- I could be totally misinformed. > >What's the scoop?? There is not and has never been a rack version of the U-50. If there were, it would be called the D-770, in keeping with Roland's numbering scheme. Nick has often wished for one, but they never made it. The U-50 designation was used right up until the unit was in alpha test; it did not persist into beta, as the unit would then have been announced or advertised as the U-50 in at least some trade magazines. >Here's that message from about a month ago that I saw. Can anyone >verify that this is the true-poop? I'll ignore the implication that I'm a liar, and merely state that if you need a corroborating statement to my own, ask Nick Rothwell, who was the first to spot this fact (and who pointed it out to me). He had a very early prototype board, with ROMs so old Roland/Japan was surprised they made it out the door in English. My original statement... >The original name for the Roland D-70 is the Roland U-50, as a look at >the PC board etchings inside the synth (at least early ones, if not >all of them) will show. I have no idea why the name was changed at the >last minute, but I hate it. Anyone who's used a D-50 can tell you that >the D-70 is NOT an outgrowth of the D-50 at all, it's a very different >beastie. Much as the L/A synthesis of the D-10 and D-20 is expanded >upon with new features and greater flexibility in the D-50, the D-70 >represents an expansion of the RS/PCM synthesis of the U-20. It >really should have been marketed as the U-50, an "Advanced RS/PCM" >machine, as "Advanced L/A" bears no resemblance to L/A at all. ...stands. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** Pointless Fun for 1994: Help Me Add Languages To This List! *** ENGLISH: I've been kidnapped by aliens. What year is it? LATIN: Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt. Qui annus est? From metlay@netcom.com Tue Mar 15 08:35:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA18388; Tue, 15 Mar 94 08:35:35 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id IAA02929; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 08:06:06 -0800 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA15637; Tue, 15 Mar 94 08:04:09 PST Received: from localhost by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id IAA17555; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 08:06:58 -0800 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <199403151606.IAA17555@netcom8.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Update on ROM upgrades and Galaxy problems To: greg@ups-sucks.tcp.com (Greg Kolanek) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 08:06:58 -0800 (PST) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Roland U-50 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <199403142155.NAA20736@ups-sucks.tcp.com> from "Greg Kolanek" at Mar 14, 94 01:55:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3625 Status: OR >> LOAD from computer into synth: gags almost immediately with a "Sysex >> Error!" followed by a "MIDI buffer full!". No subset of the bundle >> appears to work properly in this way. > >I once had this problem when doing bulk dumps and loads, too. I finally >discovered that the problem is a single parameter on the System page. >The SysEx receive parameter is sent along with the bulk dump. So, if SysEx >Receive is disabled, when you're loading back into the D-70, it gets to >this parameter and *is no longer able to receive any SysEx*, so the transfer >chokes on itself. The SysEx info piles up at the In and gives you those >two error messages. The solution, obviuosly, is to make sure that you leave >the SysEx receive option enabled at all times. Would that it were this simple. That was the first thing I checked; it's ALWAYS set to RECEIVE ON. Is there someplace other than the System Setup page where it needs to be set? Is there some means by which it can reset itself spontaneously? (With the U-50, you never know.....) I would assume that if you were to save on the Mac a bundle that contained this system page with the flag set properly, it would load back again without trouble, and that has NOT been the case. Also, I don't have Galaxy Plus Editors, so I don't have any way of editing that flag on any old bundles where it might have been set to 'Off'....I assume I can just choose not to save the system setup as part of a Bundle, no? This didn't work either; stuff is choked regardless of what I send. >> I had the repair shop that installed the new >> motherboard also route out a hole in the rear panel and install a >> flush-mount power cable socket. It's a lovely piece of work, and >> very handy for those of us who lose sleep over things like strain >> relief. To say nothing of rendering my U-50 instantly identifiable, >> even without a close look at the serial number, in case of theft. > >How much were you charged for this mod? I wouldn't mind it myself. :) It was done by ProTech Services, in Lynn Haven, Florida, by Mike Pizza (pronounced "PIZZ-uh", not PEET-sa"), who appears to be the best Roland tech outside of the Roland factory that I've ever come across. (Roland specifically recommends ProTech as their best authorized service center between Pensacola and Jacksonville, or more accurately between Miami and Atlanta.) Their phone number is (904) 265-4334. Tell Mike that Mike Metlay sent you from the Internet. Mike did an incredibly professional job; the unit looks like it was designed to have a removable cable from the very beginning. He charged me $5 for the connector and $60 for the labor, plus 7% sales tax; a bit pricey, but I believe in paying for quality. (You can do the pigtail trick yourself for about $10, if you're economically minded.) I'm sure any serviceman could do this for you, but obviously I can't vouch for the craftsman ship of anyone other than the guy who did mine. Oh, and I should mention that ProTech is a UPS shipping-point, so they will gladly take delivery on Roland gear (and some other brands as well, call and ask about your needs) and ship it back after repairs. I'm not getting kickbacks from them, I'm just a very happy customer; they're the best service folks I've run into in years and years. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** Pointless Fun for 1994: Help Me Add Languages To This List! *** ENGLISH: I've been kidnapped by aliens. What year is it? LATIN: Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt. Qui annus est? From greg@ups-sucks.tcp.com Tue Mar 15 16:24:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA18555; Tue, 15 Mar 94 16:24:17 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id QAA04162; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 16:05:16 -0800 Received: from ups-sucks.tcp.com (xylem.biostr.washington.edu) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA26578; Tue, 15 Mar 94 16:02:04 PST Received: from localhost (greg@localhost) by ups-sucks.tcp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id QAA04014; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 16:00:33 -0800 From: Greg Kolanek Message-Id: <199403160000.QAA04014@ups-sucks.tcp.com> Subject: Re: Update on ROM upgrades and Galaxy problems To: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 16:00:32 -0800 (PST) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov In-Reply-To: <199403151606.IAA17555@netcom8.netcom.com> from "metlay" at Mar 15, 94 08:06:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2132 Status: OR Hmmm...well, unfortunaetly mine's in the shop right now having its war-weary broken keys and buttons fixed, so I can't try other things. I do remember that back in the days when I still used bulk dump software I basically resigned myself to not using it with the D-70. It rarely would receive its own dumps in return from the software. Hey, it's not the greatest keyboard, technically, in the world, after all. :) (My own biggest gripes are essentially the easily-overloadable LFO and the bizarre method of selecting delay time.) -greg@tcp.com > >> LOAD from computer into synth: gags almost immediately with a "Sysex > >> Error!" followed by a "MIDI buffer full!". No subset of the bundle > >> appears to work properly in this way. > > > >I once had this problem when doing bulk dumps and loads, too. I finally > >discovered that the problem is a single parameter on the System page. > >The SysEx receive parameter is sent along with the bulk dump. So, if SysEx > >Receive is disabled, when you're loading back into the D-70, it gets to > >this parameter and *is no longer able to receive any SysEx*, so the transfer > >chokes on itself. The SysEx info piles up at the In and gives you those > >two error messages. The solution, obviuosly, is to make sure that you leave > >the SysEx receive option enabled at all times. > > Would that it were this simple. That was the first thing I checked; it's > ALWAYS set to RECEIVE ON. Is there someplace other than the System Setup > page where it needs to be set? Is there some means by which it can reset > itself spontaneously? (With the U-50, you never know.....) > > I would assume that if you were to save on the Mac a bundle that contained > this system page with the flag set properly, it would load back again > without trouble, and that has NOT been the case. Also, I don't have > Galaxy Plus Editors, so I don't have any way of editing that flag on > any old bundles where it might have been set to 'Off'....I assume I > can just choose not to save the system setup as part of a Bundle, no? > This didn't work either; stuff is choked regardless of what I send. From bert@netcom.com Tue Mar 15 19:24:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA18710; Tue, 15 Mar 94 19:24:38 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id TAA04474; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 19:13:16 -0800 Received: from mail.netcom.com (netcom4.netcom.com) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA02314; Tue, 15 Mar 94 19:10:41 PST Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA11275; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 19:13:29 -0800 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 19:13:29 -0800 From: bert@netcom.com (Roberto Sierra) Message-Id: <199403160313.TAA11275@mail.netcom.com> To: bert@netcom.com, metlay@netcom.com Subject: Re: Update on ROM upgrades and Galaxy problems Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Status: OR Mike Metlay () wrote, concerning the difficulty he was/is having with getting Galaxy to work with his D-70 (U-50): << >1) Ancient Motherboard. Not. >2) Something else. Obviously. >As to what odds you might have in fixing the problem with a >motherboard swap, I can't tell you. What's your ROM level?? 1.18. Higher than just about anyone else out there right now. Roland was sure it would help too, but it didn't. >> Well -- it should certainly be working at 1.18. I would also hazard a guess that it'd be working at 1.07, since I'm fairly certain that the changes between 1.07 and 1.10, which is what I have, did not affect the SysEx protocol in any way. What it sounds like may be happening is that there is something in the D-70 memory somewhere -- some parameter or another -- that is stuck the wrong way and preventing the software from communicating with the hardware. The problem is also exacerbated by the fact that any patches you may have in Galaxy form may also have this 'bit' set the wrong way. The problem is then to identify in a rapid manner what parameter is causing the problem. It sounds like you've eliminated any hardware issue by eliminating everything between the D-70 and the Mac (your patch bay), so the problem is definitely within the D-70. What I would recommend is the following approach -- this is what tech support people do when they try to isolate an obscure bug, and they're not sure whether or not the problem is in the software, hardware, or possibly several bugs that are 'feeding' on one another. It basically breaks down to this: A) Start from some 'known' working state. B) Gradually introduce new operations or data until something breaks. C) Stop and think about it -- figure out what broke and why. D) Repeat B and C until you're able to do everything you want using all the data at your disposal. For the D-70 debug, this would probably consist of the following specific steps: 1) Reinitialize the D-70 (OK, OK -- U-50) to *factory* settings. You'll find the SysEx for these via FTP to kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov in /pub/D70, and elsewhere on the net -- CompuServe or AOL, for example, to name two). 2) Consider all of the patches you had previously been using to be 'infected' with whatever is causing the problem. Put them aside until you're ready to consider them. You're going to be working with just the factory settings for a while. 3) Verify that Opcode's Galaxy works at this point (we're basically trying to get the software working with the hardware in a 'known' state). I'm going to assume that this will work, and that you're able to both send and receive. Note that: a) You'll need to set up matching unit numbers, and b) You'll need to enable SysEx receive in the System Settings on the D-70. This means, obviously, making slight alterations from the factory settings, but only set what you *minimally* need to get it talking to Galaxy. Let's assume that you get this working. If you can't, then you might have to consider that the problem is in the guts of the D-70 circuitry itself -- possibly requiring repair (God Forbid). 4) Now start to see what happens when the D-70 is in this 'slightly modified' factory settings state and you start to send it your own data. Start by just sending individual tones, patches, user sets, rhythm setups, and so on. Does anything break when you send your data? Are you still able to receive any/all data at each point? 5) Now start to see what happens when you send complete banks of stuff, then complete bundles. Does anything break? My guess is that stuff is going to start to break somewhere in step #4 or step #5 -- unless you're dealing with a burned out IC somewhere inside the D-70, in which case you won't even be able to get step #3 working. When this happens, start scratching your head and thinking, "hmmm... what's *IN* that data that could cause the system to screw up). My guess is that the problem is in the global system settings *OR* possibly in one or more of your performance patches. I think with a problem of this complexity, the fastest approach to finding the problem is incrementally adding manipulations to the fray, and then pulling back when you see the problem arise and thinking about it a lot. Then take a close look at each individual parameter that could be changing to zero in on the one (or more) that are causing the problem. I can't say how long this will take you, but it strikes me it will be a lot faster than saying "Well, maybe it's this!..." "Well, I guess not, maybe it's this!...", "Well,...." It sounds to me like you've already been going round and round with that for enough time already to be sick of it.... Mike also wrote: << Save your money. If you tell Roland that your board isn't working with Galaxy or give some other excuse like that, they'll do the board swap for free and reimburse your local authorized service center for the labor. At least, they did so with me. Even before the board swap, my unit was more recent than yours; I brought it up from 1.07 to 1.11 right after I bought it. >> Good idea. I had assumed that since the warranty for my unit had expired, I was totally screwed, but this is a very good idea. I did basically the same thing when it was discovered that my brand new spiffy ultra-fast Zoom v.32bis FaxModem could talk to the world and all fax machines and modems just great, but problems would arise sometimes when you hooked up two Zoom modems together (!!!!). Although I wasn't doing that personally, at my office we were encountering that problem (three of us owned Zoom modems at home, and the office had one as well). The end result was that I complained and got the ROM fix for free. My friends, who were actually the ones with the problem, ended up paying about $50 each for the same ROM chips because they didn't sound distressed enough. Bottom line: whine and bitch enough, and I should be able to snag a free upgrade (GASP -- unless someone at Roland reads these messages!!) Now that would be truly awful. -- Roberto Sierra Tempered MicroDesigns San Francisco, CA From am450@freenet.carleton.ca Tue Mar 15 19:35:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA18716; Tue, 15 Mar 94 19:35:02 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id TAA04482; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 19:22:50 -0800 Received: from freenet-news.carleton.ca (algonquin.ccs.carleton.ca) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA02523; Tue, 15 Mar 94 19:20:53 PST Received: from freenet.carleton.ca by freenet-news.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA12338; Tue, 15 Mar 94 22:23:25 EST Received: from localhost (am450@localhost) by freenet.carleton.ca (8.6.4/8.6.4) id WAA04289; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 22:22:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 22:22:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199403160322.WAA04289@freenet.carleton.ca> From: am450@freenet.carleton.ca (Andrew Smith) To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: Update on ROM upgrades and Galaxy problems Reply-To: am450@freenet.carleton.ca Status: OR I also experience the same thing, bulk dump problems. The MIDI buffer gets full. ????? Can't you put the SYSEX in a real-time MIDI file, and turn the tempo down , so that it slowly sends its info.... Like record SYSEX upload at a fast tempo , then slow it down on the way back.... BUT I guess that's for bulk dumps only... Hmmmm Just a thought, Andrew -- |What profit to gain the whole world and lose your soul? |Andrew R. D. Smith - Carleton University Computer Systems |am450@freenet.carleton.ca "Xerxes" Engineering From bert@netcom.com Wed Mar 16 05:39:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA18908; Wed, 16 Mar 94 05:38:51 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id FAA05124; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 05:15:32 -0800 Received: from mail.netcom.com (netcom4.netcom.com) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA15000; Wed, 16 Mar 94 05:11:50 PST Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id FAA29222; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 05:14:42 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 05:14:42 -0800 From: bert@netcom.com (Roberto Sierra) Message-Id: <199403161314.FAA29222@mail.netcom.com> To: am450@freenet.carleton.ca, d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: Update on ROM upgrades and Galaxy problems Status: OR << I also experience the same thing, bulk dump problems. The MIDI buffer gets full. ????? Can't you put the SYSEX in a real-time MIDI file, and turn the tempo down , so that it slowly sends its info.... Like record SYSEX upload at a fast tempo , then slow it down on the way back.... BUT I guess that's for bulk dumps only... >> Yes. I've done this a number of times. You take the bulk dump data going at full tilt, capture it into a MIDI file, open your sequencer and put second or second-and-a-half spaces in between each SysEx packet (which is up to about 256 or 512 bytes long -- I forget which). It's a real pain, and getting the Opcode Galaxy modue that works in one-way mode (or my custom librarian module that zips along at handshake rates) is a much better idea. Much less (as in zero) editing involved. \\|// "Doog" spelled backwards is "good." - - o o roberto sierra J tempered microdesigns O san francisco, ca \_/ bert@netcom.com From metlay@netcom.com Wed Mar 16 09:07:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA19083; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:06:49 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id IAA05778; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:36:28 -0800 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA19458; Wed, 16 Mar 94 08:33:19 PST Received: from localhost by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id IAA02884; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:36:11 -0800 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <199403161636.IAA02884@netcom8.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Update on ROM upgrades and Galaxy problems To: bert@netcom.com (Roberto Sierra) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:36:11 -0800 (PST) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Roland U-50 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <199403160313.TAA11275@mail.netcom.com> from "Roberto Sierra" at Mar 15, 94 07:13:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1524 Status: OR Roberto Sierra, in attempting to help me with my problem, sketches out a very useful means of determining what's wrong, which I won't repeat here. Roberto, the unit had its memory wiped and its lithium battery replaced when the upgrade to the motherboard and ROM was installed. When I got it home, it was as virgin-pure as a U-50 can be. I changed the Control Channel and Unit number to 16, turned MIDI SYSEX Receive on, and it still didn't work. I should point out that if it were hardware in need of repair, I don't think ANY form of SYSEX would work, but extended product mode works fine. Can I get your handshaking Galaxy module? Then, at least, I can rule out some weird interaction between Galaxy's supplied module and my U-50.... >It sounds to me like you've already been going round and round with >that for enough time already to be sick of it.... Oh, looooong since. I'm putting up with an amazing amount of shit where this damn machine is concerned. I'm tempted to try Galaxy+Eds and see if IT works, but that seems like spending a lot of money for a very iffy fix. I'll let people know if my call to Opcode solves anything. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** Pointless Fun for 1994: Help Me Add Languages To This List! *** ENGLISH: I've been kidnapped by aliens. What year is it? LATIN: Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt. Qui annus est? HEBREW: Nikhitafti yodei zarim. Ma hashanah? From bert@netcom.com Wed Mar 16 10:10:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA19139; Wed, 16 Mar 94 10:09:51 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id JAA05854; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 09:13:30 -0800 Received: from mail.netcom.com (netcom4.netcom.com) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA20298; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:10:57 PST Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id JAA20522; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 09:13:50 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 09:13:50 -0800 From: bert@netcom.com (Roberto Sierra) Message-Id: <199403161713.JAA20522@mail.netcom.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov, metlay@netcom.com Subject: Custom D-70 Galaxy Librarian Status: OR Mike Metlay asked a few questions about my custom D-70 Galaxy Librarian module, so I thought it'd be best to start a new thread to discuss these issues, for those who are interested in this (is it just Mike, or are there others). This is going to be quite long, ansd there's no way to avoid deep-ending on some of the issues I'm afraid, so I'd skip this if you're not interested, or file it for when you've got the time to read the complete message. I'm going to try to duplicate as little as possible from what's already in the doc, but here goes -- a brief little history of my custom D-70 librarian module and it's lifespan on the net. Then I'll discuss the future and answer some of the specific questions Mike Metlay had about the code. ROLAND D-70 v1.0b1 RELEASE (DEC, 1990) ====================================== Way back in the dim time (Dec. 1990 or so), about six or nine months in advance of Opcode's original D-70 librarian module, I released my own version, which was written entirely in PatchTalk and was dubbed the 'Roland D-70 v1.0b1' beta release. This is the version that I believe still lives on CompuServe and AOL, and I will also shortly republish for anyone who wants a copy via FTP. The v1.0b1 release ('b' stands for 'beta', by the way), ended up not having any bugs worth dealing with -- so even though it's marked as beta code, it is STABLE beta code, and works by and large as well as the Opcode librarian module, only faster. The beta version basically supplied two different device modules: Roland D-70 Roland D-70 w/RAM Card If you used a RAM card, you would typically install the second module, otherwise you would only install the first. Alternatively, you could install both device types (the patches and banks could be freely copied from device to device since the patch types are shared). Basically, the v1.0b1 module supplied the following resources to Galaxy: DEVICES: Roland D-70 (Internal Banks Only) * Roland D-70 w/RAM Card (Internal+Card Banks) * PATCH TYPES: D-70 Patches * D-70 Performances * D-70 Rhythm Setup * D-70 Tones * D-70 User Sets * * -- these are Custom (User-Defined and PatchTalk based). BANKS: Internal Rhythm Setup Card Rhythm Setup Internal User Sets Card User Sets Internal Performances Card Performances Internal Patches A Card Patches A Internal Patches B Card Patches B Internal Tones A Card Tones A Internal Tones B Card Tones B Compare this to the Opcode librarian (I am looking at a copy of the 1.0.2m2 Roland D-70 module -- I know this is not most current, but it is what I happen to have at hand). Opcode defines the following resources: DEVICES: Roland D-70 * PATCH TYPES: D-70 Channel Names * D-70 Patches D-70 Performances D-70 Rhythm Setup * D-70 System * D-70 Tones D-70 User Sets * -- these are Custom (User-Defined and PatchTalk based). BANKS: Performances Card Performances Patches Card Patches Tones Card Tones Rhythm Setup Card Rhythm Setup System Card System Channel Names Card Channel Names User Sets Card User Sets Right off the bat it should be obvious that things are arranged a bit differently. 1) I didn't consider the System and Channel Names parameters worth managing via Galaxy, since the way I used them, I typically set the values once and forgot about it. I preferred the global tuning and pedal definitions, and other global system stuff, to be relatively unchanging items. Since then, I've reversed my opinion about this. The System and Channel Names patches and banks should be included in my module, with the option that the user can delete these from any bundle should she care to. I would estimate that adding System and Channel Names patch types, banks, and related updates would take roughly an afternoon or so of my time, but I'm not going to be able to get to this for a considerable period of time (to be discussed later). 2) My Patch and Tone banks were arranged in groups of 64, not 128, like Opcode's are. I did this because it just lined up well on the screen. There's no reason that you can't copy/paste patches and tones between my banks, just like Opcodes. 3) Not so obvious is the fact that my module is incompatible with Opcodes module (or rather: their module is incompatible with mine -- remember who was out there first!!!). The incompatibility comes about for two simple reasons: a) They used the same device and patch type names as I happened to have chosen. Galaxy gets very upset about this, and can't deal with having both modules installed at the same time. b) Their data is incompatible with mine -- the data is physically organized slightly different *in Galaxy*, even though it ends up fitting into the same-sized slot on the D-70. This is just for obscure programmatic reasons not worth getting into. Neither is more or less correct -- it's just a different approach. Incompatibility a) prevents you from having both modules installed in a single copy of Galaxy. Incompatibility b) prevents you from copy/pasting patch data from version to version without going *through* the D-70 (as in: "Save Tones from my librarian to D-70, then load Tones using Opcode's librarian from D-70"). 4) Also not so obvious is that my module does not support Patch Linking. At the time I didn't know how to do this -- unfortunately, I'm still not sure if I know how to do this, but that's because it's been almost two or three years since I've dealt with it! My Galaxy-ese is a bit rusty. In terms of how these things run, my code is much faster, despite the fact that the scripts are *enormous*, at least relative to your average PatchTalk script which is a line or two of stuff. A lot of it is 'error checking' overhead that I felt was necessary, because MIDI glitches *do* occur and you want to know about them. So even though there's a whole lot more going on, handshaking mode is so much faster than one-way mode that the overall throughput is much faster. Eliminating some of the error checking would make it even a bit faster than it is already! There is, however, one bug in Galaxy (at least as of v1.0.2m2, which is what I still use) which causes you to eventually run out of memory, but this can be made less offensive by giving Galaxy about 2-4MB instead of the default 700K, and quitting out of Galaxy from time to time when memory does run out (and it eventually will, based on how much data you transfer). I've looked into this extensively at the debugging level, and the problem is not in my code, but in the Galaxy PatchTalk interpreter (:-|). I do not know if current versions fix this bug -- I submitted an extensive bug report to Opcode, but never got a response, beyond that they considered this a zero-priority problem (Opcode: "What? You're trying to do what in PatchTalk with *how many* lines of PatchTalk code?? Oh, PatchTalk wasn't really build to handle scripts that large." I'll include samples of the scripts at the bottom of this message -- you decide if they're beyond what a decent scripting language should be able to support.) Other than the differences noted above, *functionally* speaking my v1.0b1 release was roughly comparable to what Opcode's librarian module could do. ROLAND D-70 v1.0 RELEASE (JUNE, 1991) ===================================== Then somewhere around June, 1991, I figured out how to manage the user set, rhythm setup, performance, five patches (one for each part), and twenty tones (four for each part) present in the Temporary RAM of the device. This allowed me to save patch edits in progress -- which means that if you never have to save the specific voice/pan/volume settings for a given piece -- all the settings that are relevant to your 'mix' live in the Temporary area, which is a much smaller area to download than all the patch/tone/performance banks. However, there's a *big* technical caveat to beware of, and that has to do with a nasty firmware glitch inside the D-70 (at least, at ROM level 1.10, but I doubt this has been fixed since I doubt there are any D-70 users who send/receive Temporary data as heavily as I do). It has to do with what happens if the Temp Patch and Tone banks update the 'media' pointer that says where the D-70 should fetch the sound from. What happens is that the D-70 goes crazy if this changes unexpectedly. The DSP chips apparently still use the old media, while other chips are using parameters from the new media. The result is a mess of noise -- at first I thought I'd ruined my D-70 irreparably until I reloaded the Temporary area from a User Set on the front panel. The problem is *only* if you muck with this via MIDI. Note that you get *exactly* the same problem if you hook two D-70s together and attempt to execute the T-->M transfer command in the '24. System Setup' screen -- the receiving device will make some crazy sounds when you try and play it until you force a reload of the patch/tone information from the front panel. Fortunately, I discovered a trivial workaround When you download changes to the Temp Patches or Temp Tones, you simply do this: 1) Diddle with the 'Part PRM 1' screen on the D-70 to manually load the proper media (exactly fifteen buttons to press -- basically Increment/Decrement/Next five times (one for each Part). Takes only ten seconds or so to do that when you're used to having to do that, and involves zero thought. 2) Resend the Temp Patches and Temp Tones banks or specific patches. If you're willing to live with the front-panel diddling, then you can manage the data in the Temporary Area using my v1.0 code release. I've been doing that for two and a half years now without a glitch. [Well, actually, just one, but I think I know what happened then.] Besides adding the Temporary RAM management capabilities to v1.0, I also added some truly spiffy looking icons for each patch type, and a few code alterations here and there, mostly cosmetic. The v1.0 release, as I remember, may not have been made available to CompuServe and AOL by that point because I think early versions of the first Opcode librarian started appearing right about then. I decided that it would just add a lot of confusion to push my own version -- although as I've said, there's a cult following of folks out there who, like me, don't need to be compatible with Opcode and don't need to run the editor interface, and the upload and download speed improvements were just too attractive... Here's how the v1.0 module is laid out. There's a new device which manages the Temporary Area and nothing else, and new patch types for each of the pieces of data to be found in Temporary RAM. For various reasons, the patch types had to be different than the patch types for the internal and card data types, though the data format itself is identical (I believe to can copy and paste between Internal/Card banks and the Temporary banks, but I'm not sure -- I never do that). DEVICES: Roland D-70 * Roland D-70 w/RAM Card * Roland D-70 Temporary * PATCH TYPES: D-70 Patches * D-70 Performances * D-70 Rhythm Setup * D-70 Tones * D-70 User Sets * D-70 Temp Patches * D-70 Temp Performances * D-70 Temp Rhythm Setup * D-70 Temp Tones * D-70 Temp User Sets * * -- these are Custom (User-Defined and PatchTalk based). BANKS: Internal Rhythm Setup Card Rhythm Setup Temp. Rhythm Setup Internal User Sets Card User Sets Temp. User Set Internal Performances Card Performances Temp. Performance Internal Patches A Card Patches A Temp. Patches Internal Patches B Card Patches B Internal Tones A Card Tones A Temp. Tones Internal Tones B Card Tones B THE FUTURE (v1.1 -- unknown release date) ========================================== NOW -- That's what is currently in existence (and some of the problems associated with using my stuff as opposed to Opcodes). As far as the future is concerned, I would like to update my stuff at some point and release a new v1.1 version. Here's the changes I'd envision (the first three will definitely happen, but I'm not sure about the last three): 1) Fix of naming conflict so that my stuff and Opcode's can live together at the same time (one way might be to call all my devices and patch types U-50 instead of D-70 -- what do people think about that. Or would "Bert's D-70 Tones" be too long as a patch type? Any votes for what names to use for the device and patch types?? 2) Add Internal/Card System Setup patch type and bank. 3) Add Internal/Card Channel Names patch type and bank. 4) Possibly split all Card versions into a separate device. Makes installation much simpler because you then install one to three of the following in Galaxy when you start out: a) Roland U-50 (Internal) b) Roland U-50 Card c) Roland U-50 Temporary 5) Add patch linking capabilities (if possible). 6) Remove any other Opcode incompatibilities (if possible, probably is not feasible). Probably there'll be a v1.1 maintainence release that fixes just problem #1, and a v1.2 in a couple of months when my schedule frees up where I can work on the other of issues. I'm so busy right now just going round scrabbling for work and to make expenses that I can really only consider *paying* work for a few months -- all this Galaxy stuff is, of course, freeware. Of course, nothings to stop the truly motivated from making their own changes on their own -- it's relatively straightforward if you're familiar with Galaxy/PatchTalk programming details. I would simply ask that any new releases that I come up with be moderated through me. So the near-term will hold the following: Mike -- since you can't deal with electronic distribution via binhex, you should mail me an SASE with a floppy to the address below. As I am simultaneously totally short of time & money for various reasons, you might want to enclose whatever handling charge you feel is fair. Mail to: Roberto Sierra Tempered MicroDesigns P.O. Box 170638 San Francisco, CA 94117-0638 For everyone else, I will make the v1.0b1 and v1.0 releases available via anonymous FTP to ftp.netcom.com in the /pub/bert/midi directory sometime early next week, and will also forward the code to Cliff Yamamoto for possible inclusion in the kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov D70 FTP area. I would do all that today, but I have to update several aspects of the doc (including e-mail address changes since I no longer have some of the accounts mentioned in the doc), and also more fully describe some of the caveats and Opcode incompatibilities (remember t at at the time of the original code releases, there *WAS* no Opcode librarian for the D-70). All of the changes will be made to the doc only -- not to the code. [Since I have an important gig coming up this Sunday, I'll be swamped with rehearsals and meetings till then. So early next week is when you'll see that stuff appear on FTP.] If you *absolutely* can't wait a weel and want to start playing with it this instant, I believe the v1.0b1 release is still to be found in the Opcode MIDI Vendor forum on CompuServe (look back to 1990/1991), and somewhere on AOL (America Online), but I forget where. I don't think it can be found anywhere on Internet, as I didn't have an account at the time, so you'll need an account on one of these systems or a friend with an account. Then, a week or two later, I'll be able to fix those naming conflicts, and release v1.1, and over the summer perhaps tackle some of the other issues. [WHEW] Enough already. FINALLY, let me address some of the specific questions that Mike had about my librarian module: I wrote: << >I wrote my custom D-70 librarian module in 1991, as I remember, >roughly six or nine months before Opcode's version came out. >To this day, I prefer to use my version, for several reasons. >My librarian module allows you to manager the patches, tones, >etc., contained on a RAM card, *AND* allows you to manage the >stuff in temporary storage (this is the stuff that goes away >when you turn off the machine). I like this, because it means >that I can work on a piece -- get very specific volumes and >pan settings, or tweak any parameter of any voice and *not* >have to save these changes to the voice, patch, etc. I can >thus take a snapshot of the Temporary area (and Internal area) >and totally recreate the state of the machine at a later date, >and decide whether or not to save that patch that I was >tweaking. >> And Mike Metlay () asked: > Can these two areas be saved as parts of a Bundle? Yes. Each of the devices (there are three types in the v1.0 release) can be made part of a bundle. You then have the option of dropping out specific banks that don't need to be sent. If, for example, there are no changes to the RAM card, or rhythm setup, or to the tones, etc. But certainly any set of banks can be included in a bundle, and these can live either in internal, card, or temporary memory. I also wrote: << >Maybe what I've said helps, maybe not. Let me know if there >are any courageous folks out there who want to try out an >alternative librarian module that will be substantially faster >(though again -- there are some caveats to be aware of). >> And Mike asked: << What caveats are those, precisely? Also, it just occurred to me that while it would be nice to have a faster librarian module for future use, your module won't help me retrieve the stuff I've saved already with the Opcode standard module and can't get at now, so I *still* need to find a fix. Argh. >> The last thing you said is probably true -- but who knows *maybe* the problem has to do with something that happens in one-way mode that doesn't happen in handshake mode. I would venture to guess that unless you reinitalize to factory settings, my code will fail as well, but probably in a *DIFFERENT* way -- i.e. you won't get a "MIDI Buffer Overflow" but probably a timeout or NAK failure!! Try it and see! Either way, I think it is in your best interest to debug your Opcode librarian problem using the 'constrained failure' testing method I wrote up last night. Otherwise you're just continuing in the "Gee, maybe this will work....", "Ooops, I guess not." way of diagnosing the glitch. I think I've explained the basic caveats already in the full text, but I'll summarize them here: 1) Naming conflicts with Opcode librarian module (Opcode broke my code, and I never bothered to fix it). I should be able to fix this fairly soon -- though not for a couple of weeks still. 2) Different data format from Opcode. Need to convert data from one format to the other using D-70 as holding tank for data. 3) Galaxy bug (memory leak in PatchTalk) which causes memory to fill up eventually. Verified in Galaxy v1.0.2m2, unknown if this PatchTalk bug has been fixed by now. Workaround: give Galaxy more memory and plan on restarting Galaxy periodically, after about five to ten complete downloads of all D-70 data. 4) Also, as memory gets close to being full, the MIDI transfer rate slows down as Galaxy finds it harder and harder to make room for a new, soon-to-be-orphaned, buffer. Quitting and restarting Galaxy clears this out. 5) Firmware problems on the D-70 motherboard or ROM (verified in 1.10) make downloading Temporary Patches or Temporary Tones somewhat tricky. If the media number is updated, as is usually the case when switching between songs (as opposed to simply changing pan or volume changes without changing the tone itself), then fifteen keystrokes on the front-panel (brainless and repetitive -- demanding zero thought and just ten seconds or so), followed by a resending of the Temp Patch/Tone banks is a workaround. 6) Patch linking not supported currently. Unknown if this will be possible. 7) Another caveat that I haven't covered is that I decided to disallow sending individual Tones and Patches, for some reason. I can't remember if it was out of laziness, or because of some technical reason, but these need to be sent/received an entire bank at a time. It strikes me I should be able to fix that at some point (I think). 8) Lastly, I'd considered simply taking my send/receive scripts that use handshaking mode and pasting them into the Opcode librarian module, but sadly, if you look closely, you'll see that the Tone, Patch, Performance, and User Set banks are not managed by user-customizable scripts. Since this is where 90% of all the data lives, there's no way to speed the thing up via scripting. That about does it! [Whew.] Hope this was at least somewhat interesting, if not entertaining. I'll attach a sample of the send/receive scripts that use handshaking mode for the more technically oriented who want to take a close look at how this is done in PatchTalk. [It should be obvious that I program for a living, though I dabble with this music stuff to keep sane.] \\|// "Doog" spelled backwards is "good." - - o o roberto sierra J tempered microdesigns O san francisco, ca \_/ bert@netcom.com ========================= PATCHTALK ATTACHED ========================= Here are two simple examples of the PatchTalk programming used to implement Handshaking mode on the D-70. All of the patch/bank send and receive scripts are oriented around a common scheme: SEND PATCH OR BANK: GET PATCH OR BANK: Setup destination address Setup source address Setup destination size Setup source size Prepare data CALL GENERIC PUT-DATA SCRIPT CALL GENERIC GET-DATA SCRIPT Prepare to return data Here are specific examples (send/receive complete Tone Bank): ---------------------------------------------- -- -- Script to send Roland D-70 Tone Banks -- Version 1.0 -- by Roberto Sierra 12/4/90 -- -- This script and the patch which runs it may be distributed -- freely. No liability is assumed by the author. -- -- Send comments and suggestions to: -- bert@netcom.com -- 73557.2101@compuserve.com -- -- Modification History: -- **** Version 1.0 **** -- PRS 2/20/91 5:38:40PM -- Now handles Temporary Tones. -- -- Determine if we're talking about a card bank, -- an internal bank, or a temporary bank put $017501 into addr7 -- Default: Use Internal Tone Bank A put $001F00 into size7 -- Size of internal or card tone banks if sizeof(BankTitle) = 16 then if BankTitle[0,15] = "Internal Tones " then if BankTitle[15,1] = "A" then put $017501 into addr7 endif if BankTitle[15,1] = "B" then put $021401 into addr7 endif endif endif if sizeof(BankTitle) = 12 then if BankTitle[0,11] = "Card Tones " then if BankTitle[11,1] = "A" then put $041759 into addr7 endif if BankTitle[11,1] = "B" then put $043659 into addr7 endif endif endif if BankTitle = "Temporary Tones" then put $000651 into addr7 put $000958 into size7 endif -- Convert 7-bit values to true binary put To8BitHex(addr7) into addr put To8BitHex(size7) into size if BankSize != size or Sizeof(Bank) != size then Abort "Size of tone bank type is set incorrectly." endif put Bank into data -------------------------------------------------------- -- GENERIC SEND SCRIPT TO TRANSMIT ROLAND D-70 DATA -- -- -- -- Input variables: -- -- addr7 -- 21-bit address of target -- -- addr -- binary version of addr7 -- -- size7 -- 21-bit size of target -- -- size -- binary version of size7 -- -- data -- Data to be sent to D-70 -- -- Output variables: -- -- [none] -- -------------------------------------------------------- -- Construct Roland D-70 device header put $F0 $41 DeviceID $39 into header put $F7 into trailer -- Initialize misc variables put 0 into totalSent -- Transmit 'Want to Send Data' packet Checksum0 Byte3(addr7) Byte3(size7) into outPacket Send header $40 outPacket trailer -- Wait for ACK or RJC response receive 48 into inPacket require 6 bytes timeout after 2 seconds if inPacket[1] != header[1] then abort "Non-Roland SysEx received." endif if inPacket[2] != header[2] then abort "Received SysEx from wrong device." endif if inPacket[3] != header[3] then abort "Received SysEx, but not from D-70." endif -- Check for RJC (rejection) packet if inPacket[4] = $4F then abort "D-70 rejected the request. May be write protected or busy." endif -- If not RJC, must be an ACK packet if inPacket[4] != $43 then abort "Received unexpected SysEx." endif -- Here is the data transmit loop repeat -- Transmit 'Data Set' packet put size-totalSent into packetSize if packetSize > 256 then -- Limit packet size to 256 bytes put 256 into packetSize endif Checksum0 Byte3(addr7) data[totalSent,packetSize] into outPacket send header $42 outPacket trailer -- Wait for ACK or ERR response receive 48 into inPacket require 6 bytes timeout after 2 seconds if inPacket[1] != header[1] then abort "Non-Roland SysEx received." endif if inPacket[2] != header[2] then abort "Received SysEx from wrong device." endif if inPacket[3] != header[3] then abort "Received SysEx, but not from D-70." endif -- Abort on receiving ERR packet if inPacket[4] = $4E then abort "Data transmission error. Try again." endif -- If not an ERR packet, must be an ACK packet if inPacket[4] != $43 then abort "Received unexpected SysEx." endif -- Increment counters and pointers following packet transmission put totalSent+packetSize into totalSent put addr+packetSize into addr put To7BitHex(addr) into addr7 until totalSent = size -- Transmit 'End of Data' packet send header $45 trailer -- Wait for ACK response receive 48 into inPacket require 6 bytes timeout after 2 seconds if inPacket[1] != header[1] then abort "Non-Roland SysEx received." endif if inPacket[2] != header[2] then abort "Received SysEx from wrong device." endif if inPacket[3] != header[3] then abort "Received SysEx, but not from D-70." endif if inPacket[4] != $43 then abort "Received unexpected SysEx." endif ---------------------------------- -- END OF GENERIC SEND SCRIPT -- ---------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ ---- End of Send Bank Script for D-70 Tones ---- ------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------- -- -- Script to fetch Roland D-70 Tone Banks -- Version 1.0 -- by Roberto Sierra 12/4/90 -- -- This script and the patch which runs it may be distributed -- freely. No liability is assumed by the author. -- -- Send comments and suggestions to: -- bert@netcom.com -- 73557.2101@compuserve.com -- -- Modification History: -- **** Version 1.0 **** -- PRS 2/20/91 5:38:40PM -- Now handles Temporary Tones. -- -- Determine if we're talking about a card bank, -- an internal bank, or a temporary bank put $017501 into addr7 -- Default: Use Internal Tone Bank A put $001F00 into size7 -- Size of internal or card tone banks if sizeof(BankTitle) = 16 then if BankTitle[0,15] = "Internal Tones " then if BankTitle[15,1] = "A" then put $017501 into addr7 endif if BankTitle[15,1] = "B" then put $021401 into addr7 endif endif endif if sizeof(BankTitle) = 12 then if BankTitle[0,11] = "Card Tones " then if BankTitle[11,1] = "A" then put $041759 into addr7 endif if BankTitle[11,1] = "B" then put $043659 into addr7 endif endif endif if BankTitle = "Temporary Tones" then put $000651 into addr7 put $000958 into size7 endif -- Convert 7-bit values to true binary put To8BitHex(addr7) into addr put To8BitHex(size7) into size if BankSize != size or Sizeof(Bank) != size then Abort "Size of tone bank type is set incorrectly." endif ---------------------------------------------------- -- GENERIC GET SCRIPT TO FETCH ROLAND D-70 DATA -- -- -- -- Input variables: -- -- addr7 -- 21-bit address of source -- -- addr -- binary version of addr7 -- -- size7 -- 21-bit size of source -- -- size -- binary version of size7 -- -- Output variables: -- -- data -- Data retrieved from D-70 -- ---------------------------------------------------- -- Construct Roland D-70 device header put $F0 $41 DeviceID $39 into header put $F7 into trailer -- Initialize empty data buffer put 0 into totalReceived put "" into data -- Send 'Request Data' packet Checksum0 Byte3(addr7) Byte3(size7) into outPacket Send header $41 outPacket trailer -- Here is the packet receive loop repeat put 0 into eod -- Receive incoming data packet receive 1024 into inPacket timeout after 2 seconds if sizeof(inPacket) < 6 then abort "Bad SysEx received." endif if inPacket[1] != header[1] then abort "Non-Roland SysEx received." endif if inPacket[2] != header[2] then abort "Received SysEx from wrong device." endif if inPacket[3] != header[3] then abort "Received SysEx, but not from D-70." endif -- Check for RJC (rejection) packet if inPacket[4] = $4F then abort "D-70 rejected the request. May be busy." endif -- Check for EOD (end-of-data) packet if inPacket[4] = $45 then put 1 into eod send header $43 trailer -- Send ACK else -- If not RJC or EOD, must be a DAT packet if inPacket[4] != $42 then abort "Received unexpected SysEx." endif -- Compute size of received data put sizeof(inPacket)-10 into bytesReceived if (bytesReceived <= 0) then abort "Data packet received was too small." endif if (totalReceived+bytesReceived > size) then abort "Too much data received from D-70." endif -- Check the received address put (inPacket[5]<<14) + (inPacket[6]<<7) + inPacket[7] into addrReceived if addrReceived ­ addr abort "Received data out of sequence." endif -- Verify the checksum checksum0 inPacket[5,3+bytesReceived] into temp if inPacket[8+bytesReceived] != temp[3+bytesReceived] then abort "Checksum failure. Try again." endif -- Receive the data put inPacket[8,bytesReceived] after data put totalReceived+bytesReceived into totalReceived put addr+bytesReceived into addr put To7BitHex(addr) into addr7 send header $43 trailer -- Send ACK endif until eod if totalReceived != size then abort "Not enough data received from D-70." endif if size != sizeof(data) then abort "Incorrect buffer size. Internal error." endif --------------------------------- -- END OF GENERIC GET SCRIPT -- --------------------------------- put data into Bank ---- End of Get Bank Script for D-70 Tones ---- ================ END OF ATTACHMENT =============== From JJR@nmoy.nmp.nokia.com Wed Mar 16 22:43:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA19662; Wed, 16 Mar 94 22:43:03 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id WAA07551; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 22:28:09 -0800 Received: from nmoy.nmp.nokia.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA08637; Wed, 16 Mar 94 22:25:21 PST Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 6:21:56 GMT From: "Jari Riitala, tel. +358 24 301 4916" To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Cc: JJR@nmoy.nmp.nokia.com Message-Id: <940317062156.320010f1@nmoy.nmp.nokia.com> Subject: Sysex problems (Was: Re: Update on ROM upgrades and Galaxy problems) Status: OR > LOAD from computer into synth: gags almost immediately with a "Sysex > Error!" followed by a "MIDI buffer full!". My 2 cents (probably worth only one): I've written some D70 scripts for Genedit (Atari ST). One-way transfer to the synth has to be done painfully sloooooow, otherwise this error message will surely appear. Handshake mode is much less troublesome though still quite slow compared to other machines. Haven't tried the Extended product mode yet. My ROM version is 1.14, I believe. Jari ******************************************************************************* | Jari Riitala | jjr@nmoy.nmp.nokia.com | | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | telephone: | work address: | home address: | | work: +358 24 306 4916 | Nokia Mobile Phones / R&D | Kuusiharjunkatu 34 | | fax: +358 24 305 4544 | PL 86 | 20660 LITTOINEN | | | 24101 SALO | FINLAND | | home: +358 21 244 2371 | FINLAND | | ******************************************************************************* From metlay@netcom.com Thu Mar 17 07:44:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA19949; Thu, 17 Mar 94 07:44:37 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id HAA08593; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 07:23:52 -0800 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA19519; Thu, 17 Mar 94 07:21:02 PST Received: from localhost by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id HAA06760; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 07:23:57 -0800 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <199403171523.HAA06760@netcom8.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Custom D-70 Galaxy Librarian To: bert@netcom8.netcom.com (Roberto Sierra) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 07:23:57 -0800 (PST) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov In-Reply-To: <199403161713.JAA20522@mail.netcom.com> from "Roberto Sierra" at Mar 16, 94 09:13:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2203 Status: OR Roberto, I will reply to your private mail to me as soon as I can, but I wanted to take a moment to thank you for this incredible article you just uploaded. Your code looks like a marvelous piece of work, and I can't wait to try it out-- but I can wait until rev 1.1, at which point I may have FTP working on my Mac and be able to save you the hassle of mailing me a diskette. I have only two suggestions w/r/t future versions of your code: 1. Concerning names: I think that using U-50 rather than D-70 is the simplest, most compact, and most straightforward way to prevent conflicts with Opcode's naming scheme. Anything longer will be a waste of space, and the "U-50" names would reflect an alternative way of handling the same data, much as the name "U-50" represents an alternative way of thinking of the keyboard. 2. I would really like to see Patch Linking implemented if at all possible; this is a very powerful safety feature when working with higher-level constructs like Performances. How do you keep track of what goes with what in your current system, if there's no Patch Linking to track things for you? And a general question to not just Roberto: How would OMS deal with two kinds of patch librarians? Wouldn't you have to have two different instruments defined in your studio setup, a D-70 and a bitwise copy renamed U-50, or something? Or is the OMS routing to the appropriate keyboard automatic regardless of the patch librarian you use? -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** Pointless Fun for 1994: Help Me Add Languages To This List! *** ENGLISH: I've been kidnapped by aliens. What year is it? LATIN: Hostes alienigeni me abduxerunt. Qui annus est? HEBREW: Nikhitafti yodei zarim. Ma hashanah? GERMAN: Ich wurde von Ausserirdischen entfuehrt. Welches Jahr ist es? SPANISH: Fui secuestrado por forasteros extraterrestres. Que an~o es? KLINGON: muquchrIntaH novpu'. nuqDIS? CHINESE: Wo bei zuqiu wai di ren youguai. Jin nian shi nei nian? ITALIAN: Sono stato rapito dagli extraterrestri. Che anno e'? HELLENIC: Me apeegagon exoyeeeenee. Tea etos eene? From bert@netcom.com Thu Mar 17 10:39:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA20189; Thu, 17 Mar 94 10:39:47 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id KAA08910; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 10:20:41 -0800 Received: from mail.netcom.com (netcom.netcom.com) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA23513; Thu, 17 Mar 94 10:18:05 PST Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id KAA10065; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 10:20:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 10:20:57 -0800 From: bert@netcom.com (Roberto Sierra) Message-Id: <199403171820.KAA10065@mail.netcom.com> To: bert@netcom8.netcom.com, metlay@netcom.com Subject: Re: Custom D-70 Galaxy Librarian Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Status: OR << I have only two suggestions w/r/t future versions of your code: 1. Concerning names: I think that using U-50 rather than D-70 is the simplest, most compact, and most straightforward way to prevent conflicts with Opcode's naming scheme. Anything longer will be a waste of space, and the "U-50" names would reflect an alternative way of handling the same data, much as the name "U-50" represents an alternative way of thinking of the keyboard. >> I've been thinking about this, and owing to the fact that there's so few people out there who know that a U-50 is, in fact, a D-70 (keep in mind that this mailing list doesn't reach everyone with a D-70), I'm going to choose one of the following names for my device/patch types: Fast D-70 D-70++ [pick one -- votes accepted via private e-mail -- don't clutter the list, please.] << 2. I would really like to see Patch Linking implemented if at all possible; this is a very powerful safety feature when working with higher-level constructs like Performances. How do you keep track of what goes with what in your current system, if there's no Patch Linking to track things for you? >> I agree -- I will try. However, I can't guarantee any success, since I don't know right now what all of the issues are -- it's been too many years since I last programmed in Galaxy. What is the most current shipping versions of Galaxy and Galaxy+Editors, while I have your attention. Anyone know? << And a general question to not just Roberto: How would OMS deal with two kinds of patch librarians? Wouldn't you have to have two different instruments defined in your studio setup, a D-70 and a bitwise copy renamed U-50, or something? Or is the OMS routing to the appropriate keyboard automatic regardless of the patch librarian you use? >> Well, I'm going to have to pass on answering that definitively, since OMS was causing problems on my system, so I de-installed it a long time ago. But the simplest answer is -- yes, you can have two device handlers 'pointing' to the same physical box. However, when your sending all banks you'll have to make sure that only one of the two transmits. You probably wouldn't want both devices represented in the same bundle, in other words. This would be true of both Galaxy and Galaxy+Editors, with or without OMS. I can't comment on ohter OMS-specific issues, however, since I don't use it (though I'd like to take the time at some point to get it up and running -- System 7 too, which I don't use on my MIDI hard disk, since I have a lot of old programs that would crash). << *** Pointless Fun for 1994: Help Me Add Languages To This List! *** ENGLISH: I've been kidnapped by aliens. What year is it? [etc...] >> What fun! I'll see if I can dig up Japanese, Danish, Swedish and Brazilian versions for you (friends -- I speak a wee-bit of Danish, but I wouldn't have you trust my grammar as far as you could throw it). -- Roberto Sierra Tempered MicroDesigns San Francisco, CA From @cassiel.demon.co.uk:nick@cassiel.com Thu Mar 17 16:39:54 1994 Return-Path: <@cassiel.demon.co.uk:nick@cassiel.com> Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA20695; Thu, 17 Mar 94 16:39:37 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id QAA09860; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 16:24:56 -0800 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA02115; Thu, 17 Mar 94 16:22:50 PST Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa10045; 17 Mar 94 20:21 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 20:22:21 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Custom D-70 Galaxy Librarian Message-Id: <9403172022.aa10045@post.demon.co.uk> Status: OR >4) Also not so obvious is that my module does not support Patch Linking. > At the time I didn't know how to do this It is NOT POSSIBLE in user-written library modules. I griped about this to Opcode as soon as I bought the package, looked for it in the manual, and discovered that it's impossible. For this reason, I consider it pretty useless to write my own modules unless devices have a flat data layout. Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com From @cassiel.demon.co.uk:nick@cassiel.com Thu Mar 17 16:40:08 1994 Return-Path: <@cassiel.demon.co.uk:nick@cassiel.com> Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA20696; Thu, 17 Mar 94 16:39:51 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id QAA09866; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 16:24:59 -0800 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA02106; Thu, 17 Mar 94 16:22:20 PST Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa09973; 17 Mar 94 20:21 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 20:22:00 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Update on ROM upgrades and Galaxy problems Message-Id: <9403172021.aa09973@post.demon.co.uk> Status: OR >I'm tempted to try Galaxy+Eds >and see if IT works, but that seems like spending a lot of money >for a very iffy fix. Have you tried Anodyne? I have U-50 support in there, and could easily alter the timing parameters (assuming I can still compile the thing; it's been years since I tried...). Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com From @cassiel.demon.co.uk:nick@cassiel.com Thu Mar 17 16:53:47 1994 Return-Path: <@cassiel.demon.co.uk:nick@cassiel.com> Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA20712; Thu, 17 Mar 94 16:53:32 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id QAA09886; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 16:31:28 -0800 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA02272; Thu, 17 Mar 94 16:29:23 PST Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa12069; 17 Mar 94 20:34 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 20:35:32 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Update on ROM upgrades and Galaxy problems Message-Id: <9403172035.aa12069@post.demon.co.uk> Status: OR >LOAD from computer into synth: gags almost immediately with a "Sysex >Error!" followed by a "MIDI buffer full!". No subset of the bundle >appears to work properly in this way. Failure on the first packet, or failure on subsequent ones? If the first, that might suggest a different kind of error (such as framing). >I know there are people out there >who can get Galaxy and the U-50 to work together, even if one excludes >the rhythm setup, which apparently never works. Please help me! Mine works fine, apart from rhythm setup. My editor/librarian does rhythm section as well; my delay times are probably sufficiently long. (Hah, well, just now I tried auditioning *patches* from Galaxy and the U-50 ignored most of the uploads. Hmm. I think I'll unload into Anodyne and try from there. I trust my own code more than Opcode's. Yup, that works perfectly. I think Opcode's module is suspect. And what's more, the PATCH and TONE buttons on my unit don't seem to do anything any more. Weird but true.) (Oh, in case anyone tries it, it's impossible to pass Roland SysEx across the network port on an MTP or MTP-II. Fails for MKS-70, D-550, U-50. Why? Beats me, but it's never worked. I forgot that just now... Oh well, over to the other Mac...) >he cut his power cord off, and soldered a standard business >machine three-prong inline socket to the stump, then cable-clipped it >to the back panel where it would be out of the way. Slightly better than that; the remains of the cable runs into a surface-mount IEC plug which is flat-bolted onto the U-50's back plate. Looks reasonably cool. Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com From mschrae@sol.uvic.ca Thu Mar 17 18:07:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA20724; Thu, 17 Mar 94 18:07:46 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id RAA10006; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 17:51:19 -0800 Received: from sol.UVic.CA by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA04541; Thu, 17 Mar 94 17:48:51 PST Received: from [142.104.18.12] by sol.UVic.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1.3-UVic-2.56MX) id AA03061; Thu, 17 Mar 94 17:50:47 PST Message-Id: <9403180150.AA03061@sol.UVic.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 17:50:48 -0800 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: mschrae@sol.uvic.ca (m.c. schraefel) Subject: u-50/d-70 subjective responses... Status: OR For those who have the time... Why do you use the d70? Where does it fit into your system is it a main unit? something you rarely play? Do yu use mostly its preset sounds or your own or commercial ones? See, for me, it's the only keyboard in my system -- and i envision it as a fine controller for any future modules, largely because of the keyboard size but why do you folks use it? and how? for what? I'd like to encorporate this info, too, into a piece i'm writing for our union rag.Thanks much. ciao m.c. schraefel From weave@aol.com Thu Mar 17 21:36:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA21089; Thu, 17 Mar 94 21:36:02 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id VAA10203; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 21:25:37 -0800 From: weave@aol.com Received: from mailgate.prod.aol.net by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA09230; Thu, 17 Mar 94 21:23:16 PST Received: by mailgate.prod.aol.net (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17236; Fri, 18 Mar 94 00:23:56 -0500 X-Mailer: America Online Mailer Sender: "weave" Message-Id: <9403180023.tn114104@aol.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Date: Fri, 18 Mar 94 00:23:55 EST Subject: Re: u-50/d-70 subjective responses... Status: OR M.C.: You asked about how we were using our D-70's... FWIW, mine is my main controller also. I use mostly the preset sounds, but have tweaked several to either extend the range (i.e., Slow-N-Low has been expanded to Slow-N-Hi), or change the tone mix, etc. I bought one of the sound cards (SPLA-01), but was disappointed. Then again, I haven't had the time to play with the raw timbres to see if I could make any killer patches out of them, either. It's a great controller, and I agree with you, it'll do fine with future modules. It generates aftertouch a little too easily for me (I'm used to my JX-10, where you really had to smash the keys down to get anything...wish there was a happy medium at Roland). I'm using the D-70 for strings, pianos, spacy effects, but not for drums, winds or analog sounds. I do a lot of church gigs (Easter and Christmas programs), and it's a great all-in-one ax for those kinds of venues. If I really want to do serious recording, however, I use it in a minor role compared to the JX-10, an Emax, Proteus and Alesis D-4. Wish I had the dough to plunk down for a JD-990 as well...now THAT would REALLY give someone a serious sound palette to work with, much more than my venerable D-70. :D Er, uh....is this any kind of answer to your question? -Weave From bert@netcom.com Fri Mar 18 11:25:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA21413; Fri, 18 Mar 94 11:25:20 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id KAA11742; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 10:59:38 -0800 Received: from mail.netcom.com (netcom6.netcom.com) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA26027; Fri, 18 Mar 94 10:55:13 PST Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id KAA10862; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 10:58:03 -0800 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 10:58:03 -0800 From: bert@netcom.com (Roberto Sierra) Message-Id: <199403181858.KAA10862@mail.netcom.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov, nick@cassiel.com Subject: Re: Custom D-70 Galaxy Librarian Status: OR << >4) Also not so obvious is that my module does not support Patch Linking. > At the time I didn't know how to do this It is NOT POSSIBLE in user-written library modules. I griped about this to Opcode as soon as I bought the package, looked for it in the manual, and discovered that it's impossible. For this reason, I consider it pretty useless to write my own modules unless devices have a flat data layout. >> Well, that certainly solves that issue for me -- I obviously WON'T be supporting patch linking at all. (Sorry folks!). Two other gripes I have about Galaxy relevant to the D-70 librarian module are: 1) It doesn't allow you to drop your own code resources in place of PatchTalk scripts for developers (like myself) who would like to write fairly comprehensive send/receive code. PatchTalk is *barely* able to handle the scripts I posted earler, and there's a memory leak that eventually causes everything to grind to a halt. 2) There are just *dumb* problems with PatchTalk that they should have taken care of. You'll note in my code that it detects all sorts of errors (like the MIDI SysEx packet just received coming from the wrong unit, or a different synth, or with the checksum corrupt, and so on. In all cases, when an error is detected, the send/recive aborts and a dialog appears on the Mac (and the D-70 as well). Well, in my *original* code I was doing some fancy stuff on error -- asking for data packets to be resent (up to a certain maximum number of tries), just like XMODEM/YMODEM protocols work. It only made the scripts a bit larger. But I discovered that PatchTalk can't handle scripts in the form: repeat repeat : end end There doesn't appear to be any ability to handle nested loops, as there is either no execution stack, or some other nasty bug. [Galaxy craps out i *very* bizarre ways if you attempt something like the above.] Anyway -- I was able to do what I needed, but just barely. It sure would be nice if there was an open back end that you could plop code resources into -- and a few obvious fixes to PatchTalk. -- Roberto Sierra Tempered MicroDesigns San Francisco, CA From mschrae@sol.uvic.ca Fri Mar 18 12:57:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA21561; Fri, 18 Mar 94 12:57:06 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id MAA12138; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 12:38:21 -0800 Received: from sol.UVic.CA by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA28304; Fri, 18 Mar 94 12:35:30 PST Received: from [142.104.18.7] by sol.UVic.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1.3-UVic-2.56MX) id AA24412; Fri, 18 Mar 94 12:37:26 PST Message-Id: <9403182037.AA24412@sol.UVic.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 12:37:32 -0800 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: mschrae@sol.uvic.ca (m.c. schraefel) Subject: subjective responses to d70 use Status: OR thanks much to all those who responded (and are responding) to the why you use the d70. consensus so far seems to be master controller and good keyboard feel. keep those e-mails coming folks. thanks mc From glugauer@midway.uchicago.edu Sat Mar 19 00:31:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA21928; Sat, 19 Mar 94 00:31:33 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id AAA13612; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 00:20:50 -0800 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA14598; Sat, 19 Mar 94 00:17:32 PST Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu for d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Sat, 19 Mar 94 02:19:29 CST From: "Gordon B Lugauer" Message-Id: <9403190819.AA17148@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: What is Galaxy? To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 02:17:52 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 383 Status: OR Hi, all, Just a quick question spurred by all the recent banter, and showing my relative naivette to the world of software-based librarians: what is Galaxy, and what does it run on? I gather it is Macintosh based, which isn't all that helpful as I run a PC with Roland's SCC-1 sound card, but I'm curious nonetheless. Thanks, -Gordon B Lugauer, glugauer@kimbark.uchicago.edu From @cassiel.demon.co.uk:nick@cassiel.com Sat Mar 19 07:39:08 1994 Return-Path: <@cassiel.demon.co.uk:nick@cassiel.com> Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA22094; Sat, 19 Mar 94 07:38:53 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id HAA14672; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 07:29:25 -0800 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA23157; Sat, 19 Mar 94 07:26:34 PST Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa24898; 19 Mar 94 15:23 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 15:23:58 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Custom D-70 Galaxy Librarian Message-Id: <9403191523.aa24898@post.demon.co.uk> Status: O >could you eleaborate on WHY this is ot possible?? >From what I remember, it just isn't. No features available for doing it. Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com From @cassiel.demon.co.uk:nick@cassiel.com Sat Mar 19 07:55:23 1994 Return-Path: <@cassiel.demon.co.uk:nick@cassiel.com> Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA22101; Sat, 19 Mar 94 07:55:08 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id HAA14690; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 07:44:05 -0800 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA23484; Sat, 19 Mar 94 07:41:55 PST Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa26503; 19 Mar 94 15:37 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 15:38:00 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: u-50/d-70 subjective responses... Message-Id: <9403191537.aa26503@post.demon.co.uk> Status: OR >It's a great controller, and I agree with you, it'll do fine with future >modules. *Choke!* It's a dreadful controller. Absolutely brain-dead, confusing in the extreme what with almost-local keyboard parts, partial palette MIDI control, control channel data on some but not all wheels/pedals, all note off state whenever anything's changed, funny but essential power-up options, partial mute (control channel) whenever you edit anything, and so on and so on. Physically it's great (76 keys, light and portable) but I basically lobotomised mine and use MAX for all the control functions. >Wish I had the dough to plunk down for a JD-990 as well...now THAT would >REALLY give someone a serious sound palette to work with, much more than my >venerable D-70. :D Hmm. The main problem I have with the U-50 is that it's a keyboard. I'm moving away from keyboard music and into electronic soundscores and installations, for which a big keyboard is inappropriate. I'll probably end up gigging with a fader box and a PC200, or even a Thunder if I get on with it. What I'll do about the U-50 sounds I don't know; probably try to port the multisamples verbatim and use outboard filters. Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com From bert@netcom.com Sat Mar 19 08:18:35 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA22109; Sat, 19 Mar 94 08:18:26 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id IAA14710; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 08:04:49 -0800 Received: from mail.netcom.com (netcom3.netcom.com) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA23887; Sat, 19 Mar 94 08:02:31 PST Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id IAA25942; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 08:05:23 -0800 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 08:05:23 -0800 From: bert@netcom.com (Roberto Sierra) Message-Id: <199403191605.IAA25942@mail.netcom.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov, glugauer@midway.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: What is Galaxy? Status: OR << Just a quick question spurred by all the recent banter, and showing my relative naivette to the world of software-based librarians: what is Galaxy, and what does it run on? I gather it is Macintosh based, which isn't all that helpful as I run a PC with Roland's SCC-1 sound card, but I'm curious nonetheless. >> Galaxy is the 'universal' librarian from Opcode -- it contains librarian modules for most popular synths, and a semi-flexible scripting language called PatchTalk should you want to write your own synth interface modules. It dovetails with OMS (Opcode MIDI System) allowing you to set the state of all synths and patchbays to a known set of patches. A slightly more comprehensive product, Galaxy+Editors, gives you everything that Galaxy has, but with editor interfaces to a good bunch of the synths (which had previously been handled by separate editor applications). Only available for the Macintosh (at the moment). Good stuff. -- Roberto Sierra Tempered MicroDesigns San Francisco, CA From cfowler@csugrad.cs.vt.edu Sat Mar 19 13:38:20 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA22213; Sat, 19 Mar 94 13:32:37 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id MAA14901; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 12:54:45 -0800 Received: from csugrad.cs.vt.edu by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA29970; Sat, 19 Mar 94 12:52:09 PST Received: (cfowler@localhost) by csugrad.cs.vt.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id PAA12514 for d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 15:54:05 -0500 From: Christian Fowler Message-Id: <199403192054.PAA12514@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> Subject: Re:What is Galaxy To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 15:54:05 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 208 Status: O >Only available for the Macintosh (at the moment). Good stuff. Hopefully always, I would hate to see opcode devote time and money towards the PC environment when their Editor support is a BIT lacking cf From dave@elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Mon Mar 21 12:04:33 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA23529; Mon, 21 Mar 94 12:04:29 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id LAA19627; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 11:50:32 -0800 Received: from elxr.jpl.nasa.gov (elxr-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA28711; Mon, 21 Mar 94 11:48:36 PST Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elxr.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA10173 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 11:50:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199403211950.LAA10173@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: What is Galaxy Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 11:50:34 -0800 From: Dave Hayes Status: OR > >Only available for the Macintosh (at the moment). Good stuff. > Hopefully always, I would hate to see opcode devote time and money > towards the PC environment when their Editor support is a BIT lacking I wouldn't. I have a PC. I'm going to have to go by the Music Quest ed/libr now...and their programs have screwed me before. Trouble is, there ain't no other. (Oh XOR? Xor is a port from the atart and a poor port at that.) ------ Dave Hayes - Institutional Network & Communications - JPL/NASA - Pasadena CA dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov ...usc!elroy!dxh It is your attachment to objects which makes you blind and deaf. From dave@elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Mon Mar 21 12:05:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA23535; Mon, 21 Mar 94 12:04:59 PST Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id LAA19618; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 11:48:48 -0800 Received: from elxr.jpl.nasa.gov (elxr-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA28626; Mon, 21 Mar 94 11:45:56 PST Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elxr.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA10143 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 11:47:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199403211947.LAA10143@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: u-50/d-70 subjective responses... Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 11:47:54 -0800 From: Dave Hayes Status: OR > >It's a great controller, and I agree with you, it'll do fine with future > >modules. > *Choke!* It's a dreadful controller. Sure, if you have a portable computer running the show. ------ Dave Hayes - Institutional Network & Communications - JPL/NASA - Pasadena CA dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov ...usc!elroy!dxh Test (n.) - 1. A hardship you don't expect. Brave (adj.) - 1. Someone looking for a test. From ahds!ccstss!geert@relay.NL.net Wed Apr 6 15:15:41 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA07062; Wed, 6 Apr 94 15:15:28 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id OAA16164; Wed, 6 Apr 1994 14:50:37 -0700 Received: from sun4nl.NL.net by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA03821; Wed, 6 Apr 94 14:49:33 PDT Received: from ahds by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA12019 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 6 Apr 1994 23:49:42 +0200 Received: from ccstss.ccsds.ahold.nl by ahds.ccsds.ahold.nl with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0poURw-0000D9C; Wed, 6 Apr 94 12:03 MZT Received: by ccstss.ccsds.ahold.nl (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA08760; Wed, 6 Apr 1994 11:01:00 --100 Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 11:01:00 --100 From: geert@ccstss.ccsds.ahold.nl (Geert Jonkheer) Message-Id: <9404060901.AA08760@ccstss.ccsds.ahold.nl> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: D-70 Bug? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 0 Status: OR Hi there I am new on the list and have the following question, Since I own a mixer I discovered a 'bug' in my D70 synthesizer. I wonder if this bug only occurs in my D70 or is a general bug. So here is the thing that happened. I have connected my D70 synth to my mixer using the DRY output channels and the MIXED output channels of the D.70. All of them are connected to different input channels of my mixer. Also my D70 is hooked up to a midi environment using the midi input and output connectors. When I loaded a midifile in my computer, which was using a 'C1 note on midi-channel 10' and played it back, I discovered that there was a base drum sound coming from both the dry outputs of the D70. This is strange, because even when you have set the drum channel to something other than 10 the sound is still heard. According to the manual there can't even be a sound on that note on the drum channel because only motes from E1 to G7 can be mapped to drum sounds. I have found no way to turn this off on my D70. I have a D70 using ROM rev level 1.18 (is this the latest revision?) Anyone else discovered this problem? Thanks in advance, Geert Jonkheer. From Jean-Michel.BLIN@masi.ibp.fr Fri Apr 8 02:43:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA07649; Fri, 8 Apr 94 02:43:38 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov by jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (8.6.4/SMI-4.1+DXRm2.5) id CAA21076; Fri, 8 Apr 1994 02:29:56 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA22213; Fri, 8 Apr 94 02:29:13 PDT Received: from masi.ibp.fr by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.8/ibp-2.0) with SMTP id LAA23175 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 1994 11:32:18 +0200 Received: from cao-vlsi.ibp.fr by masi.ibp.fr (5.65/masi-1.3) at Fri, 8 Apr 1994 11:30:27 +0200 Received: from polka.ibp.fr by cao-vlsi.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1+RC+++) id AA29112; Fri, 8 Apr 94 11:30:33 +0100 From: Jean-Michel.BLIN@masi.ibp.fr (Jean-Michel BLIN) Message-Id: <9404081030.AA29112@cao-vlsi.ibp.fr> Subject: GM setup To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 11:30:33 +0100 (BST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 811 Status: OR ---------------------------------------------------- Hello every one, I wonder what is the easiest way to create a GM compliant setup, sounds and rythms. I own a D70 and an Atari computer. Could anyone who have already done such a job share his/her experience? I would also appreciate any pointer to a FTP'able info on GM standard. Thanks in advance. o----------------------------------- Jean-Michel Blin --------------------o | Universite Pierre et Marie Curie laboratoire MASI - PARIS - FRANCE | | Tel : 33-(1) 44.27.71.23 | | "And now for something Fax : 33-(1) 44.27.62.86 | | completely different..." E-Mail : Jean-Michel.BLIN@masi.ibp.fr | o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o From metlay@netcom.com Mon May 2 11:43:46 1994 Return-Path: Received: from nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.0) id AA20835; Mon, 2 May 94 11:43:35 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.63.2]) by nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA06813; Mon, 2 May 1994 11:28:43 -0700 Received: from netcom.com (netcom5.netcom.com) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA09472; Mon, 2 May 94 11:27:51 PDT Received: by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA04651; Mon, 2 May 1994 11:29:22 -0700 From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay) Message-Id: <199405021829.LAA04651@netcom.com> Subject: It gets weirder: the latest on my Galaxy/D-70 problem To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Roland U-50 Mailing List) Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 11:29:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1347 Status: OR As you all know and could care less about, I've been fighting with a weird bug that has kept me from being able to load data saved on my Mac in Galaxy format back into my D-70 (I'm holding off on the "U-50" references in this post to prevent hissyfits :) and after many assurances by Roland that this was exactly what I needed, put 1.18 ROMs in the D-70 and had a motherboard swap. It didn't work. FInally I was home with a cold recently and thus could spend time on the phone with an Opcode rep during working hours, and we trouble shot the problem. Well, I still need to experiment some more, but we were able to find a setup that worked, modulo the glitches in Rhythm Setup and Global data mentioned by Nick (although mine actually seems to work beter than his). What we did was to give the D-70 its own MIDI I/O pair to the Studio 3, on the Printer port. This is weird, because the transfer failed when we did it through the Modem port, not only with my switcher in the loop but also with an essentially just-as-direct connection. I have no idea why this works, but it does. If I learn more, i'll pass it on. -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * metlay@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It would seem mah hypocrisy knows no bounds." (Val Kilmer, in _Tombstone_) From @cassiel.demon.co.uk:nick@cassiel.com Fri May 6 12:55:30 1994 Return-Path: <@cassiel.demon.co.uk:nick@cassiel.com> Received: from nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA18824; Fri, 6 May 94 12:55:14 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.63.2]) by nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA28760; Fri, 6 May 1994 12:37:02 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA19521; Fri, 6 May 94 12:34:30 PDT Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa23276; 6 May 94 20:30 GMT-60:00 X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 20:30:47 +0100 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: It gets weirder: the latest on my Galaxy/D-70 problem Message-Id: <9405062030.aa23276@post.demon.co.uk> Status: OR >What we did was to give the D-70 its own MIDI I/O pair to the Studio 3, >on the Printer port. This is weird, because the transfer failed when >we did it through the Modem port Roland D-70, otherwise known as Schroedinger's Synth. Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com From mortenaa@lise.unit.no Sat May 7 04:44:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (nemesis-fddi) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA19689; Sat, 7 May 94 04:43:54 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.63.2]) by nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA01683; Sat, 7 May 1994 04:33:46 -0700 Received: from lise1.lise.unit.no by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA10898; Sat, 7 May 94 04:32:23 PDT Received: from lise13.lise.unit.no by lise1.lise.unit.no with SMTP id (5.65c8/pvv-4.2-hybrid for ); Sat, 7 May 1994 13:32:58 +0200 From: Morten Aagaard Received: by lise13.lise.unit.no ; Sat, 7 May 1994 13:32:57 +0200 Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 13:32:57 +0200 Message-Id: <199405071132.AA07499@lise13.lise.unit.no> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: D70 antique? X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: OR I just read something about the new JV-90 which looked like a replacement for the D70. I now wonder if anyone have tried it out and can compare it to the D70 Morten Torber Aagaard From kin@island.com Tue Jul 19 14:17:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (nemesis-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA00415; Tue, 19 Jul 94 14:17:08 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.63.2]) by nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA03554; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 13:31:13 -0700 Received: from firewall.island.com (gw.island.com) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA17900; Tue, 19 Jul 94 13:29:04 PDT Received: (from daemon@localhost) by firewall.island.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA05415 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:41:46 -0700 Received: from island.island.com(199.4.83.1) by firewall via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma005410; Tue Jul 19 11:41:01 1994 Received: from sado.island.com (sado-gateway) by island.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01130; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:36:10 +0800 Received: from [199.4.86.163] (kinmac) by sado.island.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12531; Tue, 19 Jul 94 11:39:43 PDT Message-Id: <9407191839.AA12531@sado.island.com> X-Sender: kin@sado Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:45:05 +1800 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: kin@island.com (Joaquin Blas) Subject: D-70 Sound Cards Content-Length: 1156 Status: OR Hi, For those of you who don't know already, American Musical Supply (1-800-458-4076) is blowing out Roland parameter and waveform cards for the D-70, and several cards in the SN-U110 series. SN-U110 cards are $19.95 each, some of them can't be used by the D-70, see your manual: SN-U110-01 "Pipe Organ/Harpsichord" SN-U110-02 "Latin & Effx Percussion" SN-U110-03 "Ethnic Instruments" SN-U110-04 "Grand Pianos & Clavinets" SN-U110-07 "Electric Guitar" SN-U110-08 "Synthesizer" SN-U110-09 "Guitar and Keyboards" SN-U110-10 "Rock Drums" SN-U110-11 "Sound Effects" The D-70 specific cards are: PN-D70-01 "Global Collection" $14.95 SN-SPLA-01 "Sound Element Vol. 1" $14.95 SL-D70-01 "Sound Library Set Vol.1 " $34.95 Consists of two cards, the SN-SPLA-03 sound element card, and the PN-D70-03 Sound data card. Just thought I'd pass the info on to the list. --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com From kin@island.com Wed Jul 20 12:50:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (nemesis-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA05304; Wed, 20 Jul 94 12:50:49 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.63.2]) by nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA09713; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:20:29 -0700 Received: from firewall.island.com (gw.island.com) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA14484; Wed, 20 Jul 94 12:18:04 PDT Received: (from daemon@localhost) by firewall.island.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA09678; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:18:53 -0700 Received: from island.island.com(199.4.83.1) by firewall via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma009676; Wed Jul 20 12:18:14 1994 Received: from sado.island.com (sado-gateway) by island.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01281; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:13:19 +0800 Received: from [199.4.86.163] (kinmac) by sado.island.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14495; Wed, 20 Jul 94 12:17:09 PDT Message-Id: <9407201917.AA14495@sado.island.com> X-Sender: kin@sado Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:22:18 +1800 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: kin@island.com (Joaquin Blas) Subject: Re: D-70 Sound Cards Cc: Uwe.Baumann@mmk.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Content-Length: 1666 Status: OR For those of you outside the U.S. who can't use 1-800-458-4076 to reach American Musical Supply, here are some alternate numbers from their catalog: Ordering by Telephone: 1-612-796-2088 Ordering by Fax: 1-201-262-3332 "All faxed orders must include Visa, Mastercard, or Discover account number or be shipped C.O.D." "Outside of continental U.S. please pay by U.S. certified funds." --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com >From: Uwe Baumann >Date: Wed, 20 Jul 94 13:54:22 +0200 >To: kin@island.com (Joaquin Blas) >Subject: Re: D-70 Sound Cards > >Hello Kin, > >Thamks for your information regarding reduced D70 sound card. > >Unfortunately, 1-800 .. telephone numbers are not reachable >from outside U.S. > >Can you provide me with a FAX or normal phone line for >American Musical Supply? > >Thanks in advance > >Uwe > > > ,,, > (o o) >+--------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------------+ >| Uwe Baumann | >| Lehrstuhl Mensch-Maschine-Kommunikation ( Human-Machine-Communication ) | >| Technische Universitaet Muenchen ( Technical University Munich ) | >| smail: Arcisstrasse 21, 80290 Muenchen, Germany | >| email: bau@mmk.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de | >| phone: ++49 089/2105-8562 | >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > From sratscha@risc.uni-linz.ac.at Thu Jul 21 02:54:53 1994 Return-Path: Received: from nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (nemesis-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA06690; Thu, 21 Jul 94 02:54:44 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.63.2]) by nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA19774; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 02:18:29 -0700 Received: from melmac.risc.uni-linz.ac.at by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA00369; Thu, 21 Jul 94 02:16:07 PDT Received: by melmac.risc.uni-linz.ac.at id AA18633 (Sendmail 5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov); Thu, 21 Jul 1994 11:15:56 +0200 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 11:15:56 +0200 From: "Stefan Ratschan (VL SS 92)" Message-Id: <199407210915.AA18633@melmac.risc.uni-linz.ac.at> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: D70- cards Status: OR PN-D70-01 "Global Collection" $14.95 SN-SPLA-01 "Sound Element Vol. 1" $14.95 SL-D70-01 "Sound Library Set Vol.1 " $34.95 Consists of two cards, the SN-SPLA-03 sound element card, Does anybody know, what kind of sounds are on this cards? Stefan Ratschan. From Weave@aol.com Thu Jul 21 10:45:05 1994 Return-Path: Received: from nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (nemesis-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA07015; Thu, 21 Jul 94 10:44:57 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.63.2]) by nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA12812; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 10:14:35 -0700 From: Weave@aol.com Received: from mail02.prod.aol.net by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA08999; Thu, 21 Jul 94 10:15:07 PDT Received: by mail02.prod.aol.net (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA15891; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 13:15:09 -0400 X-Mailer: America Online Mailer Sender: "Weave" Message-Id: <9407211314.tn719323@aol.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Date: Thu, 21 Jul 94 13:14:57 EDT Subject: Sound List for the SPLA-01 Status: OR Stefan.Ratschan@risc.uni-linz.ac.at asked what kind of sounds they had. PCM Sound Element Card, Volume 1 - SN-SPLA-01 Original Tone List 1. Jazz Bass1 2. Jazz Bass2 3. Britethumb 4. Rock Mute 5. Vocal Wave 6. Wave Scan1 7. Nasty 8. Organ Bell 9. Gliss Wave 10. Swirl 1 11. Waterphone 12. Org Vox Several sample patches are included in the documentation. I've got the SPLA-01...how are the sounds? Well...uh...by themselves the original tones sound okay. They MIGHT sound fantastic if one were to program new tones and patches utilizing these original tones. I've had the damned card for a year now, and have been too busy to sit down for hours programming patches. :) Maybe someday? Still, those are great prices...I paid $50.00 last year. *sigh* ------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Weaver..........................................weave@aol.com Cincinnati, Ohio..........................Host of America Online's ............................................Composers' Coffeehouse An AOLer and Proud. >:P Keyword: "Composers" ------------------------------------------------------------------- From tam@ist.flinders.edu.au Mon Jul 25 22:05:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: from nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (nemesis-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA10739; Mon, 25 Jul 94 22:05:07 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.63.2]) by nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA20703; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 21:42:56 -0700 Received: from monty.cs.flinders.edu.au by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA05424; Mon, 25 Jul 94 21:36:08 PDT Received: by monty.cs.flinders.edu.au id AA09523 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov); Tue, 26 Jul 1994 14:06:07 +0930 Message-Id: <199407260436.AA09523@monty.cs.flinders.edu.au> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: General Midi Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 14:06:07 +0930 From: "Kevin C. Tam" Status: OR To anyone, Hi! Though I have had my D-70 for a while I still don't know how to use it to its FULL potential. I have a MSDOS (IBM compatible, PC - take your pick...) 486 and am DYING to use my synth. for programs which use general MIDI. I've heard that the D-70 needs some tweeking to be able to do this. Please help! Look forward to some replies, thanks everyone... Kevin. From cyamamot@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Tue Oct 11 07:58:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (nemesis-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov) by marconi.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA05973; Tue, 11 Oct 94 07:58:18 PDT Received: from kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.63.2]) by nemesis.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA00405; Tue, 11 Oct 1994 07:37:09 -0700 Received: by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA20151; Tue, 11 Oct 94 07:32:35 PDT Received: from uni.tho.shl.com (thowsuni.tho.shl.com) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA23207; Fri, 7 Oct 94 09:41:38 PDT Received: from muse.tho.shl.com (thowsmus.tho.shl.com) by uni.tho.shl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19560; Fri, 7 Oct 94 09:26:12 PDT Received: by muse.tho.shl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA07221; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 09:40:43 +0800 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 09:40:43 +0800 From: gwhiz@tho.shl.com (Michael G. Williams) Message-Id: <9410071640.AA07221@muse.tho.shl.com> To: cyamamot@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Subscribe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 150 Sender: cyamamot@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Status: O Subscribe I have a D70 and want to get patches, use Unisyn. I also want to find the "magic" that make the volume pedal work for all patches at once. From Roland_Ivarsson@public.se Mon Nov 7 05:10:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mail.swip.net by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA14191; Mon, 7 Nov 94 04:58:46 PST Received: by mail.swip.net (8.6.8/3.01) id NAA11004; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:58:56 +0100 Subject: D70 technical info Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 17:38:42 +0100 Message-Id: <0008EF15.fc@public.se> X-Firstclass: 0x59F8 0x0008EF15 0x001252F1 0x001252F1 0x0000 From: Roland_Ivarsson@public.se (Roland Ivarsson) To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Organization: LineWise Public Networks +46 8 20 60 80 X-Hologate: 1.1b67 Lines: 104 Status: OR Hello, D70 users! Very little activity on this list, but I expect there are quite a few of you still out there... However, about a year ago I posted some technical notes about modifications of older D70 units. The issue was never followed up, but the document, including circuit diagrams could perhaps be made available through the D70 FTP-site (remeber that one..) Just in case you have forgotten it, please find parts of the original message below: ----- The document a "Roland D-70 Service Information" index no.100452C of 15 October 1990, called "Version lister (ver.1.00-ver.1.14). It is too long for me to type (4 A4-size pages) and is in JapanEnglish, which is kind of tricky to comprehend... I'll type the parts concerning the CPU (exactly letter for letter, don't blame me if you don't quite follow) Regarding the upgrade to version 1.11 a change of hardware was recommended in this way: ... << CHANGE OF HARDWARE >> Changed CPU (Main Board) from one wait to no wait. COMPATIBILITY OF MAIN BOARD AND ROM VERSION One Wait ---- Possible to use in ver.1.00. 1.10. and 1.11 No Wait ----- Possible to use only in ver.1.11. [REASON] To improve processing speed (PROBLEM) When sounding the many notes, rate of LFO is unstable. [SERVICE RESPONSE] Please change the hardware when you update the D-70. [HOW TO CHANGE THE MAIN BOARD NO... ... here follows a description of the "tampering", refering to some circuit diagrams. Later on in the document, version 1.12 is described, and... ... >From October production, we have changed CPU (80C196KB) from A step to B step. (A step CPU will be discontinued.) According to this change, software was updated to ver.1.12. Contents of ver.1.12. is the same as ver.1.11. * COMPATIBILITY OF CPU AND SOFTWARE REVISION 1. A step CPU --- ver.1.00 ~ (possible to use in all versions) 2. B step CPU --- ver 1.12 ~ (impossible to use in ver.1.00 ~ ver.1.11. * WHEN USE B STEP CPU IN VER.1.00 ~ VER.1.11. the hangup problem may occur For example; After power on, the unit does not work. * WHEN CHANGE CPU FROM A STEP CPU TO B STEP CPU please remove resistor array RA5 and RA6 on main board (please refer to attached diagram) * HOW TO DISTINGUISH A SETP CPU AND B STEP CPU ther is a "B" mark on the B step CPU. (end of second or third line of marking) there is no mark on A step CPU * PARTS CODE B step CPU has the same parts code as A step #15179297 [EFFECTIVE] S/N AB85150- (from September production) ... Well, sorry, guys... No CPU upgrade for free, as the "A step CPU" will be compatible with forthcoming versions (they said then..). Also, no indication of improved performance with "B step CPU"... But do "tamper" to get "no wait" if you dare... You'll need the circuit diagrams, however. Yours, /Roland (Roland_Ivarsson@public.se) *** SINDBAD Information - Public Networks, Sweden *** From tuan@sequent.com Fri Nov 11 08:30:32 1994 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.sequent.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA10850; Fri, 11 Nov 94 08:24:07 PST Received: from sequent.sequent.com by gateway.sequent.com (5.61/1.34) id AA11674; Fri, 11 Nov 94 08:24:06 -0800 Received: by sequent.sequent.com (5.65/1.34) id AA24585; Fri, 11 Nov 94 08:24:09 -0800 From: Tuan Nguyen Message-Id: <9411111624.AA24585@sequent.sequent.com> Subject: HELP >> Good Electric Bass Patch << To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 08:24:08 -0800 (PST) Cc: tuan@sequent.com (Tuan Nguyen) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 417 Status: OR Hi, I'm desperately searching for a good Electric Bass patch for my D70. I have created my Bass patches but it doesn't has the "punch" as in the normal CD recording. Does someone created some good Bass patch that you like to share/sell .... ??? Or should I looking into some other sound module/synth just for the good electric Bass sound ... Any help will be very appreciated. Thanks, tuan. tuan@sequent.com From sliu@husc.harvard.edu Wed Nov 30 11:13:58 1994 Return-Path: Received: from husc.harvard.edu (scunix5.harvard.edu) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA11883; Wed, 30 Nov 94 11:06:21 PST Received: from fas by husc.harvard.edu with SMTP; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 01:46:16 -0500 Received: by fas (5.0/16.2) id AA19605; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 01:44:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 01:44:35 -0500 (EST) From: Shiuan Liu Subject: ROM versions To: Conference D70 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 100 Status: OR Can anyone tell me how to tell which version ROM I have in my D70? Thanks. sliu@fas.harvard.edu From tournier@laas.fr Thu Dec 1 01:17:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from laas.laas.fr by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA27943; Thu, 1 Dec 94 01:07:29 PST Received: from [140.93.5.26] by laas.laas.fr; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:04:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199412010904.AA13428@laas.laas.fr> X-Sender: tournier@laas.laas.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Eudora F1.4.3 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:09:21 -0700 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: tournier@laas.fr (Eric Tournier) Status: OR Hi, I am looking for a really great librarian for the D-70 under Atari ST, or eventually Macintosh. I don't want a universal soft (for all the synth existing) but a specific one for the D-70. Could you please tell me where can I find one, and for what price (if in freeware, I am obviously interested !). Thanks, E.T. From d93fso@t.hfb.se Tue Dec 6 09:37:00 1994 Return-Path: Received: from t.hfb.se (txfs1.hfb.se) by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA18319; Tue, 6 Dec 94 09:30:36 PST Received: from tex13.hfb.se by t.hfb.se (4.1/HFB_T-1.1) id AA20210; Tue, 6 Dec 94 18:30:52 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 18:30:52 +0100 From: d93fso@t.hfb.se (Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93) Message-Id: <9412061730.AA20210@t.hfb.se> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: Patches? Status: OR Hello? Not much traffic here, is it? Anyway, if there is someone out there... I'm looking for new patches for my D70. I think there's not much idea in buying patches on RAM cards when I can upload them via SYSEXs. I've written a patchlibrarian (or more like a down/uploader) for the amiga. If anybody wants it, you could have it for free even if it's not finished yet. Please state which format they are in (plain, raw binary is best for me). Hope to get some answer. / Fredrik Solenberg From am450@freenet.carleton.ca Tue Dec 6 21:02:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: from freenet.carleton.ca by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA01908; Tue, 6 Dec 94 20:55:49 PST Received: from freenet2.carleton.ca (am450@freenet2.carleton.ca [134.117.1.39]) by freenet.carleton.ca (8.6.9/8.6.4) with ESMTP id XAA00630 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 23:56:19 -0500 Received: from localhost by freenet2.carleton.ca (8.6.4/Sun-Client) id XAA29140; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 23:56:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 23:56:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199412070456.XAA29140@freenet2.carleton.ca> From: am450@freenet.carleton.ca (Andrew Smith) To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Net resources for music/D70 patches/MIDI shareware etc.? Reply-To: am450@freenet.carleton.ca Status: OR Where might I find all these wonders the internet is a big place and I wonder if there are some guides, human or automated. =) Thanks for any info, You can post it to the mailing list just so we can exercise the listserv a bit. =) Bye! Andrew TIA(thanks in advance) -- |Andrew R. D. Smith - Carleton University Computer Science |am450@freenet.carleton.ca + Psychology From FCH1@NIOOD2.EM.CDC.GOV Thu Dec 8 10:03:39 1994 Return-Path: Received: from msmail.em.cdc.gov by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA12969; Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:02:41 PST Received: from router.em.cdc.gov by msmail.em.cdc.gov (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA19574; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:42:39 -0500 Received: by router.em.cdc.gov with Microsoft Mail id <2EE6C602@router.em.cdc.gov>; Thu, 08 Dec 94 12:38:26 EST From: "Holloway, Forest C." To: D70 USERS Subject: Intro Date: Thu, 08 Dec 94 12:40:00 EST Message-Id: <2EE6C602@router.em.cdc.gov> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-Length: 0 Status: OR Hello; I'm interested to know if there's anyone that has any knowledge of any PC programs for the older Roland D5/D10 keyboards. Specifically, patches/tones and sysex info.I'm new to MIDI, PC's and on-line lists. *********************************************************** Contact: Forest Holloway National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health fch1@niood2.em.cdc.gov 513-533-8264 voice 513-533-8560 fax From dave@smartstar.com Thu Dec 8 12:45:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from Smrtstr.smartstar.com by kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXRs2.3) id AA16292; Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:40:35 PST Received: from shark.smartstar.com by Smrtstr.smartstar.com (4.1/SMI-4.1(Smrtstr)) id AA28110; Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:39:08 PST Received: by shark.smartstar.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA16444; Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:39:11 -0800 Message-Id: <9412082039.AA16444@shark.smartstar.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Cc: dave@smartstar.com Subject: Re: Intro In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 08 Dec 94 12:40:00 EST." <2EE6C602@router.em.cdc.gov> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 94 12:37:42 -0800 From: "Dave Schwartz (dave@smartstar.com)" X-Mts: smtp Status: OR Forest Holloway (FCH1@NIOOD2.EM.CDC.GOV) wrote: > Hello; > I'm interested to know if there's anyone that has any knowledge of any PC > programs for the older Roland D5/D10 keyboards. Specifically, patches/tones > and sysex info.I'm new to MIDI, PC's and on-line lists. There is a shareware program, D-10 CONTROL, that performs editor/librarian functions for Roland D-10 and similar (D-5, D-110, D-20) synths. It runs on PC's under MS-DOS. You can get it via anonymous ftp from SIMTEL( or one of its mirrors) in /SIMTEL/msdos/music/d10ctl11.zip Anyone know of a similar program for D-70s? Hope this helps. -- Dave Schwartz | "It's the blind leading the blind, and I am amazed dave@smartstar.com | How they stumble homeward through the haze" VMS FOREVER | David Crosby From dave@smartstar.com Thu Feb 23 10:47:01 1995 Received: from Smrtstr.smartstar.com (smrtstr.smartstar.com [192.135.139.8]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA10873 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:42:25 -0800 Received: from crosby.smartstar.com by Smrtstr.smartstar.com (4.1/SMI-4.1(Smrtstr)) id AA25901; Thu, 23 Feb 95 18:40:43 GMT Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 18:40:43 GMT Message-Id: <9502231840.AA25901@Smrtstr.smartstar.com> From: dave@smartstar.com (Dave Schwartz) To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Help: Roland D-70 Synth - noisy LCD Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth Organization: SmartStar Corp. Status: OR I have a Roland D-70 synthesizer that I bought used a few months ago. It seems to be working properly except for a noise problem. It emits a hum that seems to be coming from the LCD display. The hum is a few cents below Bb4. A friend (hardware geek type) told me that this was likely coming from the LCD's oscillator, and that I might be able to muffle it with a piece of foam or plastic something. I'm rather hesitant to open it up; I've always been much better at taking things apart than I am at putting them back together. Roland Support told me that this was normal for this unit The noise is minor, but clearly audible in quiet surroundings. Do other people out there with D-70s have a similar problem, and does anybody know if this is repairable (at moderate cost)? Thanks. -- Dave Schwartz | "It's the blind leading the blind, and I am amazed dave@smartstar.com | How they stumble homeward through the haze" VMS FOREVER | David Crosby From atomic@netcom.com Thu Feb 23 14:40:30 1995 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (atomic@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA15885 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:40:08 -0800 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id OAA12919; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:40:33 -0800 From: atomic@netcom.com (atomic city) Message-Id: <199502232240.OAA12919@netcom17.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Help: Roland D-70 Synth - noisy LCD To: dave@smartstar.com (Dave Schwartz) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:40:33 -0800 (PST) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov In-Reply-To: <9502231840.AA25901@Smrtstr.smartstar.com> from "Dave Schwartz" at Feb 23, 95 06:40:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 850 Status: OR Dave Schwartz writes-- > >I have a Roland D-70 synthesizer that I bought used a few months ago. It >seems to be working properly except for a noise problem. It emits a hum >that seems to be coming from the LCD display. [...] > >Do other people out there with D-70s have a similar problem, and does >anybody know if this is repairable (at moderate cost)? They all do this, and I don't think you can do anything about it, to be honest. Mine drives me nuts sometimes, but I've learned to tolerate it. mike -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * atomic@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- rec.music.synth, 8 September 1992: Brian Good: "You can also use it to make your wife's cat do unusual things." Nick Rothwell: "Wife? If I had a wife I wouldn't be interested in dancers." From tdas@esri.com Thu Feb 23 15:28:19 1995 Received: from esri.com (REDLANDS.ESRI.COM [198.102.62.1]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA17181 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:27:41 -0800 Received: from universe ([192.9.155.1]) by esri.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29571; Thu, 23 Feb 95 15:27:07 PST Received: from ladybug.universe by universe (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24497; Thu, 23 Feb 95 15:26:17 PST Comment: Environmental Systems Research Institute Received: by ladybug.universe (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21225; Thu, 23 Feb 95 15:26:17 PST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 15:26:17 PST From: tdas@esri.com (Tapas Das [ESRI-Redlands]) Message-Id: <9502232326.AA21225@ladybug.universe> To: dave@smartstar.com, atomic@netcom.com Subject: Re: Help: Roland D-70 Synth - noisy LCD Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Status: OR Mike is right. All large backlit LCD displays emit a high pitched whine. The noise on the D70 is much lesser than the very audible whine that comes from a Korg 01/Wfd. I think I read somewhere that if you disconnect the backlighting, the noise will go away. However, the display will be harder to read. Tapas. From dave@smartstar.com Thu Feb 23 18:10:08 1995 Received: from Smrtstr.smartstar.com (smrtstr.smartstar.com [192.135.139.8]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA20728 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 18:09:37 -0800 Received: from shark.smartstar.com by Smrtstr.smartstar.com (4.1/SMI-4.1(Smrtstr)) id AA29124; Fri, 24 Feb 95 02:07:57 GMT Received: by shark.smartstar.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA22488; Thu, 23 Feb 95 18:06:04 -0800 Message-Id: <9502240206.AA22488@shark.smartstar.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Cc: dave@smartstar.com Subject: seeking recommendations for editor/librarian software Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 18:04:54 -0800 From: "Dave Schwartz (dave@smartstar.com)" X-Mts: smtp Status: OR I have a Roland D-70 synth that I bought used a few months ago. I am interested in getting an editor/librarian to facilitate my learning to program it. I have a 486-DX4/100 PC clone (running DOS and Windows). I tried the demo of MusicQuest/Windows a few months ago and was singularly unimpressed. Besides the fact that I couldn't get it to work with my synth at all, I found the user interface somewhat confusing. I suppose I could learn to work with it after a while if I had to. I didn't try the DOS version because I don't have a supported interface. Also, when I tried the demo, my PC was a 386/20 with a SoundBlaster Pro as my midi interface. I have since upgraded the PC to a 486-DX4/100. I hear the SB card is not very reliable for midi sysex transfers, so I gave it to my kids and will get a real midi interface (MPU-401 compatible). In addition to the technical problems, MusicQuest is a bit steep for me; I just spent all my money on the synth and PC upgrades. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks for all the responses on the noisy LCD. I guess I'll just live with it. -- Dave Schwartz | "Did you think these tracks dave@smartstar.com | in the dust would last?" VMS FOREVER | David Crosby From v922420@si.hhs.nl Fri Feb 24 05:18:23 1995 Received: from paaltjens.si.hhs.nl (paaltjens.si.hhs.nl [145.52.80.3]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA02608 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 05:14:59 -0800 Received: from si.hhs.nl by paaltjens.si.hhs.nl id <24777-0@paaltjens.si.hhs.nl>; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:14:56 +0100 Received: by neef.si.hhs.nl (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01393; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:15:39 --100 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:15:39 --100 From: v922420@si.hhs.nl (Bart Koop) Message-Id: <9502241315.AA01393@neef.si.hhs.nl> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: C1 slider & Rom version X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 750 Status: OR Hello All, I bought my D-70 early in January second hand and must say I really like the thing very much. I have a few problems however. The first one: I can't get the C1 slider to control anything else but the volume. I tried everything, assigning it to VCF cutoff, pitch etc., but I keeps controlling the volume. Pretty useless, as I've already got a volume slider :-( I'm starting to believe it's a hardware bug. Could somebody please give me advice? Further, I read that there should be a firmware upgrade for the D-70. I also read it should be possible to view which version the synth has onboard. Could anybody please tell me more about viewing the firmware version and about the upgrade? Thanks in advance! Bart Koop v922420@si.hhs.nl From knight@cae.cig.mot.com Fri Feb 24 06:05:11 1995 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA03473 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 06:05:01 -0800 Received: from pobox.mot.com by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-3.1 for ) id AA25382; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 08:05:15 -0600 Received: from po_box.cig.mot.com by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-3.1 for ) id AA07828; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 08:05:11 -0600 Received: from sys14.cae.cig.mot.com (sys14.cae.cig.mot.com [136.182.237.35]) by po_box.cig.mot.com (8.6.10/SCERG-RELAY-1.11) with ESMTP id JAA07040 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:06:27 -0500 Received: from dch38.cae.cig.mot.com by sys14.cae.cig.mot.com with ESMTP (8.6.9/HUB2.1_02-17-95) id IAA07863; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 08:05:45 -0600 Received: by dch38.cae.cig.mot.com (8.6.9/CLIENT2.1_02-17-95) id IAA23284; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 08:02:06 -0600 Message-Id: <199502241402.IAA23284@dch38> From: PEKer Subject: Firmware Version To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (D70 Mailing List) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 8:02:06 CST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: OR Hold Key # under the "Number" row (NOT the "Bank" row) while turning D-70 AC power on. 1 - Firmware version and date displayed Hope that helps - Paul From JAWEISS@saix367.sandia.gov Fri Feb 24 06:53:29 1995 Received: from sass165 (sass165.sandia.gov [132.175.109.1]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA04256 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 06:51:59 -0800 From: JAWEISS@saix367.sandia.gov Received: from ccsmtp.sandia.gov (saix367.sandia.gov [134.253.48.11]) by sass165 (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA13587; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 07:57:15 -0700 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.sandia.gov id AA793641172; Fri, 24 Feb 95 07:54:35 mst Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 07:54:35 mst Encoding: 16 Text Message-Id: <9501247936.AA793641172@ccsmtp.sandia.gov> To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov, "Dave Schwartz (dave@smartstar.com)" Subject: Re: seeking recommendations for editor/librarian software Status: OR I'm surprised about your comments on the SB not being reliable for sysex transfers. I've had my D-70 for about a year running with a 486-DX50 with a SB-16ASP using Cakewalk Professional and have not had any problems with sysex transfers or anything else. My skill level isn't high, so I haven't tried anything terribly complex, but, then again, I would have thought that problems would have shown up due to my inexperience. By the way, is there a card out there that would provide the D-70 with a normal orchestral set of tones and patches? It's fun being creative and scoring an orchestral piece with the D-70's factory presets, but it sure would be nice to have some normal woodwinds, etc. Joel A. Weiss jaweiss@sandia.gov From atomic@netcom.com Fri Feb 24 07:58:32 1995 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (atomic@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA05447 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 07:58:13 -0800 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id HAA12155; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 07:56:05 -0800 From: atomic@netcom.com (atomic city) Message-Id: <199502241556.HAA12155@netcom17.netcom.com> Subject: Re: C1 slider & Rom version To: v922420@si.hhs.nl (Bart Koop) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 07:56:05 -0800 (PST) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov In-Reply-To: <9502241315.AA01393@neef.si.hhs.nl> from "Bart Koop" at Feb 24, 95 02:15:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3028 Status: OR Bart Koop writes-- > >Hello All, > >I bought my D-70 early in January second hand and must say I really >like the thing very much. > >I have a few problems however. > >The first one: I can't get the C1 slider to control anything else >but the volume. I tried everything, assigning it to VCF cutoff, pitch >etc., but I keeps controlling the volume. Pretty useless, as I've >already got a volume slider :-( >I'm starting to believe it's a hardware bug. Could somebody please >give me advice? It's definitely not a hardware bug; I've used mine to do other stuff. The problem with the U-50 is that its MIDI setup can clash with itself; global settings, Performance-level settings, Patch-level settings, and even some Tone-level settings, as well as the bazillion MIDI Palette pages, can all conflict. As sad as it seems, resetting one parameter at one level guarantees nothing. My U-5O would be tough for anyone else familiar with the instrument to use without reloading the memory or doing some serious tweaking, because I've lobotomized it. Every single MIDI palette and transmit option is turned off...ALL of them...and the unit is set to Local Off as well. This means that only data on the Control Channel set inthe Global System Setup page are sent, but that data set is more than enough to work with my interface and computer to control my whole rig. I get quick with the local on/off switch, because I can't edits sounds in this mode and hear what I'm doing, but it really does help. Verify that the C1 sends MIDI CC6 on the Control Channel at all times; if it sends CC7, then you know you still have something enabled on a buried page somewhere. That's my kneejerk suggestion.... >Further, I read that there should be a firmware upgrade for the D-70. >I also read it should be possible to view which version the >synth has onboard. Could anybody please tell me more about viewing >the firmware version and about the upgrade? OoooOOOog. This is one of my major gripes with Roland; the U-50 actually has two possible upgrade paths depending on when the board was built and what chips were used to create it (Roland had to switch suppliers in mid-run). That having been said, you want, basically, 1.13 or higher (I believe 1.16 is the highest). Being in the Netherlands, you have a huge advantage over Americans with the same problem; Roland US tech support is worse than useless on stuff like this, rude, ignorant, and careless. I got my data by calling Roland Canada, and lete a major repair center handle dealing with Roland US for the parts I needed. European users generally have much better luck. Someone else has already posted how to get your ROM rev. Good luck! mike -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * atomic@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- rec.music.synth, 8 September 1992: Brian Good: "You can also use it to make your wife's cat do unusual things." Nick Rothwell: "Wife? If I had a wife I wouldn't be interested in dancers." From am450@freenet.carleton.ca Fri Feb 24 10:07:27 1995 Received: from freenet.carleton.ca (root@freenet.carleton.ca [134.117.1.25]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA08259 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 10:06:12 -0800 Received: from freenet2.carleton.ca (am450@freenet2.carleton.ca [134.117.1.39]) by freenet.carleton.ca (8.6.9/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA20525 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:06:43 -0500 Received: from localhost by freenet2.carleton.ca (8.6.4/Sun-Client) id NAA08228; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:06:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:06:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199502241806.NAA08228@freenet2.carleton.ca> From: am450@freenet.carleton.ca (Andrew Smith) To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: GM patch set for D-70.. reprogramming? Reply-To: am450@freenet.carleton.ca Status: OR > > By the way, is there a card out there that would provide the D-70 with > a normal orchestral set of tones and patches? It's fun being creative > and scoring an orchestral piece with the D-70's factory presets, but > it sure would be nice to have some normal woodwinds, etc. > > > Joel A. Weiss > jaweiss@sandia.gov > > > Yeah... actually I wondered about someone... or somewhere (FTP) that had a patch set that is GM/GS compatible for the D-70.. I don't feel like trying to reprogram the entire thing.. basically moving the appropriate patches to the right numbers I wondered if anyone had done such a thing.. I wanted to try it with GM songs and the like. BTW, I have a P90 with a Audiotrix Pro (excellent card BTW) and I had an Atari ST doing the sequencing before. Now I want to migrate to the PC for music stuff... so I am thinking of Cakewalk as well. *shrug* Thanks. Andrew Say.. where are some D-70 patches and the like anyways.. FTP? WWW? etc. -- |Andrew R. D. Smith - Carleton University Computer Science |am450@freenet.carleton.ca + Psychology From cyamamot Fri Feb 24 10:18:16 1995 Subject: FTP Site and misc. ramblings To: d70-users Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 10:18:16 PST Cc: cyamamot (Clifford Yamamoto) From: cyamamot@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Cliff Yamamoto) Organization: Jet Propulsion Labs, Pasadena, Calif. Return-Receipt-To: cyamamot@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Greetings D70 Owners! As the mailing list-owner of this D70 group, I just wanted to remind all of you that there are some limited sequences and misc. files available here on 'kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov' under ~ftp/pub/D70 using "anonymous" ftp. I'm glad to see traffic has slowly started once again as I've thought everyone out there on this list has sold or stopped using their D70. FYI, the lastest ROM revision is 1.18 and although some here may have had bad experiences with Roland USA's Service Dept. I've been fortunate to drive over there (Roland USA is about 20 minutes from me) and I've had the upgrade done for free. I've also moved my most recent d70-mailing archive file over to the FTP subdirectory so all the newcomers can read the older messages. I haven't had time to automate this process I'm afraid updates to this file will be done manually when I have time. There is no "digest" form available for this mailing list. Regards, Cliff Yamamoto - D70 mailing list maintainer From cyamamot Fri Feb 24 10:20:48 1995 Subject: FTP Site contributions To: d70-users Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 10:20:48 PST Cc: cyamamot (Clifford Yamamoto) From: cyamamot@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Cliff Yamamoto) Organization: Jet Propulsion Labs, Pasadena, Calif. Return-Receipt-To: cyamamot@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Greetings again D70 owners, I forgot to mention in my previous email that if you have any files that you would like to contribute to the D70 FTP archives, please just send me some personal email at : cyamamot@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov and I'd be glad to make arrangements for your files. Thanks, Cliff Yamamoto - D70 mailing list maintainer From tuan@sequent.com Fri Feb 24 10:15:02 1995 Received: from gateway.sequent.com (gateway.sequent.com [138.95.18.1]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA08448 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 10:14:48 -0800 Received: from sequent.sequent.com by gateway.sequent.com (5.61/1.34) id AA20996; Fri, 24 Feb 95 10:15:03 -0800 Received: by sequent.sequent.com (5.65/1.34) id AA23486; Fri, 24 Feb 95 10:16:30 -0800 From: Tuan Nguyen Message-Id: <9502241816.AA23486@sequent.sequent.com> Subject: D70 Bug ... Sound card problem ... To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (d70) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 10:16:29 -0800 (PST) Cc: tuan@sequent.com (Tuan Nguyen) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1326 Status: OR Hi, I have run into this problem for quite a while and hope someone will have the same problem that I have. I use the Super Acoustic Guitar sound card and create a patch in the D70 with the tone of the card. When I'm doing my sequence in Vision and select the guitar part and play for about 3 or more notes at the same time then the volume of the D70 guitar patch automatically turn down to 0. This is not happening if I play one or two notes at the same time. If I just use the D70 with local ON and don't use Vision then this problem will disappear. The guitar patch will sound beautifully but if I start using Vision then the volume start to go down 0 again. After hours of reconfigure the patch, OMS, and looking into this problem. I find out if I disconnect the MIDI OUT of the D70 to my MIDI interface (Studio 4) then this problem will never happen again. It seems to me that some kind of MIDI loop is happening when I'm sequencing. And it only affect this guitar patch only ... other part using the internal sound is ok. My solution for this weird problem is not perfect and make my D70 become useless as a controller. Is there a BUG in my D70 ??? or maybe the sound card ?? I'm sorry if my writing is too confusing but I hope you get the idea. Please, feel free to comment what you think. Thanks, tuan. From knight@cae.cig.mot.com Fri Feb 24 12:26:59 1995 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA11803 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 12:26:43 -0800 Received: from pobox.mot.com by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-3.1 for ) id AA23753; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:26:53 -0600 Received: from po_box.cig.mot.com by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-3.1 for ) id AA26366; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:26:51 -0600 Received: from sys14.cae.cig.mot.com (sys14.cae.cig.mot.com [136.182.237.35]) by po_box.cig.mot.com (8.6.10/SCERG-RELAY-1.11) with ESMTP id PAA19932 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:28:12 -0500 Received: from dch38.cae.cig.mot.com by sys14.cae.cig.mot.com with ESMTP (8.6.9/HUB2.1_02-17-95) id OAA09494; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:27:29 -0600 Received: by dch38.cae.cig.mot.com (8.6.9/CLIENT2.1_02-17-95) id OAA25097; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:23:50 -0600 Message-Id: <199502242023.OAA25097@dch38> From: PEKer Subject: 1.18 ROM To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (D70 Mailing List) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 14:23:49 CST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: O Does the upgrade to V1.18 provide any new functionality, or is it a maintenance (i.e., bug-fixing) upgrade? Tnx, Paul From atomic@netcom.com Fri Feb 24 14:04:22 1995 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (atomic@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA13855 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:04:07 -0800 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id OAA01073; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:04:34 -0800 From: atomic@netcom.com (atomic city) Message-Id: <199502242204.OAA01073@netcom17.netcom.com> Subject: Re: 1.18 ROM To: knight@cae.cig.mot.com (PEKer) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:04:33 -0800 (PST) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov In-Reply-To: <199502242023.OAA25097@dch38> from "PEKer" at Feb 24, 95 02:23:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 743 Status: O PEKer writes-- > >Does the upgrade to V1.18 provide any new functionality, or is it >a maintenance (i.e., bug-fixing) upgrade? The latter. No new features have been added to the D-70 since 1.00. And Cliff, I'm pretty sure I only got 1.16 or 1.17 when I had my D-70 worked on last year; what does 1.18 add, do you know? I'd love to see a successive rev comment sheet from 1.00 to the present. mike -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * atomic@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- rec.music.synth, 8 September 1992: Brian Good: "You can also use it to make your wife's cat do unusual things." Nick Rothwell: "Wife? If I had a wife I wouldn't be interested in dancers." From kin@island.com Fri Feb 24 14:05:41 1995 Received: from firewall.island.com (gw.island.com [199.4.64.254]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA13919 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:05:29 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by firewall.island.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA18977 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:08:45 -0800 Received: from island.island.com(199.4.85.1) by firewall via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma018975; Fri Feb 24 14:07:59 1995 Received: from [199.4.88.30] (kinmac) by island.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA04212; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:05:23 +0800 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:05:22 +0800 Message-Id: <9502242205.AA04212@island.com> X-Sender: kin@greenland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: kin@island.com (Joaquin Blas) Subject: Re: D70 Bug ... Sound card problem ... content-length: 2196 Status: O Tuan, I haven't had the exact same problems you have had, but I noticed that if I go to the PCM page to listen to the wave forms on a PCM card, when I exit that page, all notes sent through my MIDI out have a velocity of 127. I usually have to restart the D-70 to get things to work properly. If I don't go to the PCM page, everything works fine. One other thing the D-70 has a mode that allows you to transmit Key data (Note ons and Note offs) on the control channel. The control channel is not affected by the Tone/Zone/Split settings of the MIDI Palette. To toggle this mode on and off, power up with the number 4 button down. The "[KY]" on the System page means that the D-70 is not transmitting the Note Ons and Offs on the control channel. Perhaps this is whats happening with your D-70. --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com >Hi, > >I have run into this problem for quite a while and hope someone will >have the same problem that I have. > >I use the Super Acoustic Guitar sound card and create a patch in the >D70 with the tone of the card. > >When I'm doing my sequence in Vision and select the guitar part and play >for about 3 or more notes at the same time then the volume of the D70 guitar >patch automatically turn down to 0. This is not happening if I play one >or two notes at the same time. > >If I just use the D70 with local ON and don't use Vision then this problem >will disappear. The guitar patch will sound beautifully but if I start using >Vision then the volume start to go down 0 again. > >After hours of reconfigure the patch, OMS, and looking into this problem. >I find out if I disconnect the MIDI OUT of the D70 to my MIDI interface >(Studio 4) then this problem will never happen again. It seems to me that >some kind of MIDI loop is happening when I'm sequencing. And it only affect >this guitar patch only ... other part using the internal sound is ok. > >My solution for this weird problem is not perfect and make my D70 become >useless as a controller. Is there a BUG in my D70 ??? or maybe the sound >card ?? > >I'm sorry if my writing is too confusing but I hope you get the idea. > >Please, feel free to comment what you think. > >Thanks, >tuan. From atomic@netcom.com Fri Feb 24 14:10:48 1995 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (atomic@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA14051 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:10:34 -0800 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id OAA03030; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:10:43 -0800 From: atomic@netcom.com (atomic city) Message-Id: <199502242210.OAA03030@netcom17.netcom.com> Subject: Re: D70 Bug ... Sound card problem ... To: tuan@sequent.com (Tuan Nguyen) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:10:43 -0800 (PST) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.GOV In-Reply-To: <9502241816.AA23486@sequent.sequent.com> from "Tuan Nguyen" at Feb 24, 95 10:16:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2455 Status: OR Tuan Nguyen writes-- > >Hi, > >I have run into this problem for quite a while and hope someone will >have the same problem that I have. > >I use the Super Acoustic Guitar sound card and create a patch in the >D70 with the tone of the card. > >When I'm doing my sequence in Vision and select the guitar part and play >for about 3 or more notes at the same time then the volume of the D70 guitar >patch automatically turn down to 0. This is not happening if I play one >or two notes at the same time. > >If I just use the D70 with local ON and don't use Vision then this problem >will disappear. The guitar patch will sound beautifully but if I start using >Vision then the volume start to go down 0 again. > >After hours of reconfigure the patch, OMS, and looking into this problem. >I find out if I disconnect the MIDI OUT of the D70 to my MIDI interface >(Studio 4) then this problem will never happen again. It seems to me that >some kind of MIDI loop is happening when I'm sequencing. And it only affect >this guitar patch only ... other part using the internal sound is ok. > >My solution for this weird problem is not perfect and make my D70 become >useless as a controller. Is there a BUG in my D70 ??? or maybe the sound >card ?? Okay, from the top: first thing, reassign the patch you're using to use a different Original Tone, say from internal memory rather than the card. Does the problem go away? If it does, then it's the card. I doubt it, though; what you are describing has little to do with the sample data. It sounds very much like you have a Patch which uses four Tones, which gives you six-voice polyphony, but then you have a MIDI loop dropping your polyphony to 3. Try shutting off Keyboard Thru in Vision so your data isn't echoing around twice, OR turning Local OFF in the D-70; I prefer the latter. I can pretty much assure you that this probably isn't an OMS bug. I think the D-70 is receiving and trying to process several notes for every note you play, and you are running out of polyphony. Try turning off some Tones and seeing if the problem goes away. U-50 uber alles, mike -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * atomic@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- rec.music.synth, 8 September 1992: Brian Good: "You can also use it to make your wife's cat do unusual things." Nick Rothwell: "Wife? If I had a wife I wouldn't be interested in dancers." From cyamamot Fri Feb 24 14:25:05 1995 Subject: D70 ROM To: d70-users Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 14:25:05 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Greetings, Here is a list of changes/fixes from ROM rev 1.10 to 1.15 for the D70. I managed to locate this list that was sent a while back from a user on the mailing list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D-70 Rom Version List 1.10-1.16 (not complete) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Version 1.10 ************ BUGS: 1. When a key was pressed just after performance change on user program change, the head of that sound will be collapsed - Fixed 2. When receiving bulk data from a sequencer etc.. and overflowed the buffer, D-70 will display "MIDI BUFFER FULL!" and then not recognize the following data until "EXIT" key is pressed - Modified so D-70 will recoginize following data. 3. When a keyboard part was set to "OFF" or "RHYTHM", a hold data has not been sent out from the "MIDI PALETTE" of on the "CONTROL CHANNEL" - Fixed 4. When a pedal switch was assigned to "CONT. MAP" in system setup, the specified information in CONT. MAP has not been sent out from MIDI PALETTE. Also when a pedal switch was assigned to "EFFECTOR" or "PERFORMANCE UP/DOWN" , that information has not been sent out on the control channel. - Fixed 5. When a pedal switch was set to "PERFORMANCE UP/DOWN" and a performance was changed, the program change number specified in MIDI PALETTE has not been sent out - Fixed ADDITIONS: 1. Ability to turn on/off key event messages on the control channel. (Power on while holding number 4 button down) Version 1.11 ************ BUGS: 1. When playing D-70 with the data of multi-timbre including rhythm part from a sequencer, sometimes there are some missed tone - Fixed 2. When executing "STORE ALL", a number key doesn't work properly - Fixed 3. When editing "CONTROLLER MAP", a indicator (*) doesn't display - Fixed 4. Modulation pressure doesn't reach 127 when fully pressed down a key - Fixed 5. Original tone for rhythm doesn't change by Sys Ex - Fixed 6. Original tone will be corrupted, when temporary area was accessed by Sys Ex - Fixed ADDITIONS: 1. When selecting "PERFORMANCE", "PROGRAM CHANGE" doesn't send from midi palette (Power on with bank 2 button held) 2. Exclusive use of expression pedal/C1 slider for a keyboard part level. In this mode, a controller ma for the internal sound module will ignore. CHANGE OF HARDWARE: 1. Changed CPU from one wait to no wait -> improved processing speed Version 1.12 ************ HARDWARE CHANGE: 1. Changed CPU from A STEP to B STEP. Compatibility of software: A STEP CPU: Ver 1.00~ B STEP CPU: Ver 1.12~ NOTE: when using A STEP CPU in Ver 1.00~1.11 the hangup problem may occur. For example; after power on, the unit does not work. Version 1.13 ************ BUGS: 1. When in user set display, if the function button was changed rapidly -> no sound, no response - Fixed Version 1.14 ************ BUGS: 1. When setting reverb mode to delay and delay time to maximum, periodically a pop noise may be heard - Fixed 2. When a card for parameter is inserted into PCM card slot by mistake, LCD indicates strangely - Fixed Version 1.15 ************ BUGS: 1. When selecting C:11(CARD), and entering performance edit, 1:11 is displayed in the first line - Fixed 2. When the data is transferred I->M in hand shake dump mode with librarian such as MRB etc. TIME OUT ERROR may occur. It will happen when selecting ALL in handshake dump, and never happen when transferring each data one by one. Version 1.16 ************ BUGS: **************** End of FAX ***************** From alchemy@xmission.com Fri Feb 24 15:10:02 1995 Received: from xmission.xmission.com (root@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA15427 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:09:45 -0800 Received: from alchemy.xmission.com (slc29.xmission.com [198.60.22.129]) by xmission.xmission.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA01557 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 16:10:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199502242310.QAA01557@xmission.xmission.com> Sender: From: "Anthony Chavez" To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 16:09:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Help: Roland D-70 Synth - noisy LCD Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Status: OR > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 15:26:17 PST > From: tdas@esri.com (Tapas Das [ESRI-Redlands]) > To: dave@smartstar.com, atomic@netcom.com > Subject: Re: Help: Roland D-70 Synth - noisy LCD > Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov > > Mike is right. All large backlit LCD displays emit a high pitched whine. > The noise on the D70 is much lesser than the very audible whine that comes > from a Korg 01/Wfd. > > I think I read somewhere that if you disconnect the backlighting, the > noise will go away. However, the display will be harder to read. > > Tapas. About this whine. I am not an "official" owner of a D-70 yet, but I (hopefully) soon will be. Please tell me, is the "whine" only local to the LCD or does it go through the audio outs as well (like with the W-30)? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Chavez o \o/ _ o o o-o +===+ o +===+ alchemy@xmission.com /|\ | /\ __\o o_| \ / | | /|\ | | Salt Lake City, Utah / \ / \ | \ /) | \\o \| |~~~| Co-"=|~~~| Salt Lake Community College o-o o-o o-o o-o \ o\ |___| / \ |___| From rme1000@hermes.cam.ac.uk Sat Feb 25 04:17:50 1995 Received: from black.csi.cam.ac.uk (root@black.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.33]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA29345 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 04:15:05 -0800 Received: from puce.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.40] (ident = root) by black.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.0 #27) id m0riLPY-0005tyC; Sat, 25 Feb 95 12:15 GMT Received: by puce.csi.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.29.0 #27) id m0riLJl-0001xpC; Sat, 25 Feb 95 12:09 GMT Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 12:09:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Etherington X-Sender: rme1000@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: Help: Roland D-70 Synth - noisy LCD In-Reply-To: <199502242310.QAA01557@xmission.xmission.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Fri, 24 Feb 1995, Anthony Chavez wrote: > About this whine. I am not an "official" owner of a D-70 yet, but I > (hopefully) soon will be. Please tell me, is the "whine" only local to the LCD > or does it go through the audio outs as well (like with the W-30)? I haven't noticed it coming through the audio outputs - I think you're safe on that score. Cheers, Mark -------------------------------------------------------- Mark Etherington Queens' College Cambridge UK From mfmak05@mf20.bim.uludag.edu.tr Mon Feb 27 02:43:59 1995 Received: from mf20.bim.uludag.edu.tr (mf20.bim.uludag.edu.tr [193.140.245.20]) by kilroy (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA07072 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 02:34:59 -0800 Received: by mf20.bim.uludag.edu.tr (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA01036; Mon, 27 Feb 95 12:03:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 12:03:46 -0500 From: mfmak05@mf20.bim.uludag.edu.tr (NECMETTIN KAYA) Message-Id: <9502271703.AA01036@mf20.bim.uludag.edu.tr> To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: logs of discussions Status: OR Hi D70 users, I'm new to this list and I have been using D70 for two years. I wonder that if the previous discussions were logged or not. (I don't want to ask the same questions that were asked.) If yes, where can I get them? Necmettin KAYA (Res. Ass.) Uludag Un. Mech. Eng. Dept. Bursa TURKIYE From jenkins@sluggo.sdsc.edu Tue Feb 28 18:30:48 1995 Received: from mailserver.sdsc.edu (rosebud.sdsc.edu [198.17.46.33]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA24242 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 18:28:09 -0800 Received: from [132.249.50.229] (itchy-mac.sdsc.edu) by mailserver.sdsc.edu (4.1/4.13) id AA14675; Tue, 28 Feb 95 18:28:56 PST Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 18:28:56 PST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.GOV From: jenkins@sluggo.sdsc.edu (Jon Jenkins) Subject: Re: D70 Bug ... Sound card problem ... Status: OR >Tuan Nguyen writes-- >> >>When I'm doing my sequence in Vision and select the guitar part and play >>for about 3 or more notes at the same time then the volume of the D70 guitar >>patch automatically turn down to 0. This is not happening if I play one >>or two notes at the same time. Then Mike Metlay Writes-- >It sounds very much like you have a Patch which uses four Tones, which >gives you six-voice polyphony, but then you have a MIDI loop dropping >your polyphony to 3. Try shutting off Keyboard Thru in Vision so your >data isn't echoing around twice, OR turning Local OFF in the D-70; I >prefer the latter. I can pretty much assure you that this probably >isn't an OMS bug. I think the D-70 is receiving and trying to process >several notes for every note you play, and you are running out of >polyphony. Try turning off some Tones and seeing if the problem goes away. > I've had the same problem as Tuan (using a different sound card and Performer on a mac). It doesn't seem to be a polyphony problem. The MIDI volume will actually jump down to 0 and stay there until you move the C1 slider or other external MIDI volume controller. I haven't been able to figure this one out. Jon Jenkins. Spotted Peccary Studios From MONTES@IFAE.ES Thu Mar 2 00:47:47 1995 Received: from mx.ifae.es (mx.ifae.es [192.101.162.2]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA29553 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 00:42:35 -0800 Received: from IFAE.ES by IFAE.ES (PMDF V4.3-7 #2461) id <01HNNMLURT5GQGOH5R@IFAE.ES>; Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:42:58 GMT+0100 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:42:57 GMT+0100 From: Xavi Montes Subject: C1 Slider (Fixed ?) To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Message-id: <01HNNMLUSCFQQGOH5R@IFAE.ES> Organization: Institut de Fisica d'Altes Energies X-VMS-To: IN%"d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov" X-VMS-Cc: MONTES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: HIGH Priority: URGENT X-Address: Institut de Fisica d'Altes Energies X-Address: Facultat de Ciencies UAB X-Address: E-08193 Bellaterra (Barcelona) SPAIN X-Telephone: +34 3 5811984 X-Fax: +34 3 5811938 Status: OR Hi Bart! I don't now if you have yet solved your problem. If not, might be I have the solution. Your problem with the C1 slider seems to be the same problem I have some months ago. Even if I assign it to act as a MOD WHEEL, it only changed the volume!!! I was tempted to go to a technical service, but , I don't know why, I put off the decission. Then, I meet Internet, where I find an interesting document for any D70 user. Its located at cyamamot@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov /pub/D70 There are also other interesting things there. Try it. But anyway, here is the document I speak about: ******************************************************************************* Hold Key # under the "Number" row (NOT the "Bank" row) while turning D-70 AC power on. 1 - Firmware version and date displayed 2 - Special Thanks Message to (names of people who helped w/ D-70) 3 - Toggle Quick/Slow bootup. The D-70 usually boots the LCD with a fancy bootup display flashing the D-70 text and takes about 5-6 seconds. Holding 3 then power-on will skip this bootup display and jump right to the display. The D-70 will stay in this quick bootup mode until toggled back to the slow bootup. To toggle back to the original bootup display, power cycle and hold #3 again while turning power on. 4 - Enable the D-70 to transmit the positions of the Tone Palette Sliders to MIDI. This way you can record e.g. pan, cutoff and resonance in real time. I've tried it and it works well. It transmits and receives via the control channel and therfore it can only affect one sound at a time. To check if this is 'ON' or 'OFF' jump to display 24. SYSTEM SETUP. If it's 'ON' it should display 'No key event on control channel'. [ 5/7/93 - Thanks to bfagerhe@ra.abo.fi ] 5 - Extended Product Mode (Bulk Midi Dump/Load). Press F1 to perform a midi dump. The D-70 will begin to dump all internal memory areas which will total up to 69 Kbytes or 70656 bytes of data. This is done at a high rate and is completed in about 24 seconds. I have not tried a Bulk Midi Load (pressing F2) and probably wouldn't unless I really had to. [ 5/6/93 - According to Roland this is actually compressed data of a 128Kbyte dump of memory. I'm not sure I really believe that, but the dump DOES look meaningless - nothing even close to the Sysex dump. 5 - Extended Product Mode (Bulk Midi Dump/Load). Press F1 to perform a midi dump. The D-70 will begin to dump all internal memory areas which will total up to 69 Kbytes or 70656 bytes of data. This is done at a high rate and is completed in about 24 seconds. I have not tried a Bulk Midi Load (pressing F2) and probably wouldn't unless I really had to. [ 5/6/93 - According to Roland this is actually compressed data of a 128Kbyte dump of memory. I'm not sure I really believe that, but the dump DOES look meaningless - nothing even close to the Sysex dump. It *could* be compressed data, but again very hard to tell. Roland claims you can load this "compressed" dump back into the D-70, but there's not much you could do to analyze what the dump itself means byte for byte - cyamamot@marconi.jpl.nasa.gov ] 6 - A/D Value Display. Show current values from various A/D circuits on the board. Some values include the Bender/C1/Brightness and even the Battery. Unfortunately, the values are in hexidecimal, not in representative units, so viewing '7C' for my battery doesn't say much. 7 - ???? If you find out, let us know. 8 - Clear All Memory. Confirm by pressing Enter. THIS IS HOW I LOST ALL MY DATA. Performing an Sysex load back into the D-70 did **NOT** cure the problem. It may be necessary to use the Bulk Midi Load on the #5 power-up to completely reload everything. The Clear All Memory appears to erase data that CANNOT be restored with just a Sysex reload. All the LCD text for tones/patches/etc were just garbled dots, as though the font information for the LCD was also wiped out. My guess is the #5 power-up Midi Load also contains font generation info for the LCD display so the D-70 can be used in other countries. [ 5/6/93 - At worst, you can purchase a "Factory Preset ROM Card" for $40 U.S to restore everything to default after performing this Clear All Memory. - cyamamot@marconi.jpl.nasa.gov ] [ 5/8/93 - There are a some people who have SUCESSFULLY used a Sysex load to restore their D-70 after performing "Clear All Memory". These people have firmware Version 1.17 whereas I have 1.10 and this could be a reason why my Sysex load didn't restore my D-70. Again, do this at your own risk - cyamamot@marconi.jpl.nasa.gov ]s know. ******************************************************************************* Let's go to the problem. First of all, go to the System Screen. If there is some symbol at the last line, you gotcha!!! When you use one of the above keys combinations to startup, usually appears a character at this line, in a position that depends on the special feature you have choose. I don't remember what was the sign associated with the problem of the C1 slider, but when 'this' was marked, the C1 slider acts as an control volume of the Part you were playing. But you can set it Off!! Solution: As you can see, the document only speaks about the Number row. Idea: Try also the Bank row. I don't remember exactly, but I think It was the #2. Try till the C1 don't change the volume. And take a look to the System Screen as well!. You'll check that this symbol (was it a '*'?..) will wipe out. Sorry for being a little obscure, but I have my D70 far away from me, so far away from me... If you have problems, let me know. I'll check it at home and I'll give you an answer. Best Wishes, Xavi. From v922420@si.hhs.nl Mon Mar 6 00:28:55 1995 Received: from paaltjens.si.hhs.nl (paaltjens.si.hhs.nl [145.52.80.3]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA10829 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 00:07:55 -0800 Received: from si.hhs.nl by paaltjens.si.hhs.nl id <26903-0@paaltjens.si.hhs.nl>; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 09:08:42 +0100 Received: by meekel.si.hhs.nl (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA06881; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 09:12:15 --100 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 09:12:15 --100 From: v922420@si.hhs.nl (Bart Koop) Message-Id: <9503060812.AA06881@meekel.si.hhs.nl> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: C1 slider & Rom version X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 592 Status: OR Hello All! I just came back from a week vacation and found a lot of helpful replies in my mailbox! I would like to thank all people who sent info about the C1 slider & ROM update, especially Xavi Montes for mailing the D70 document, as I haven't got FTP access. In the meantime, I found out that my D70 contains rom version 1.18. I understand from the other messages that there probably isn't a newer version of the ROM. I have to fiddle around with the C1 slider yet (will do that this evening), but I'm glad it isn't a hardware problem. Thanks again! Best Wishes, Bart From atomic@netcom.com Sat Mar 4 08:16:50 1995 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (atomic@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA28392 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 08:12:13 -0800 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id IAA07534; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 08:12:44 -0800 From: atomic@netcom.com (atomic city) Message-Id: <199503041612.IAA07534@netcom17.netcom.com> Subject: Factory Preset ROM Card? To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Roland U-50 Mailing List) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 08:12:43 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 994 Status: OR A recent repost of the D-70 FAQ on startup pages mentioned a "Factory ROM Preset Card" that is capable of restoring the brains of a D-70 even after a "clear all memory" command. I have heard three stories: one, that this card exists; two, that the item in question is actually a diskette for the MC series sequencers in Bulk Librarian mode; and three, that it's a myth. Roland US is, as usual, being assholic about a straight answer. Anyone know for SURE? mike PS. Cliff, I hope it doesn't sound like I'm calling you a liar, but I am suggesting that maybe your good friends upstreet at Roland lied to you.... -- mike metlay * atomic city * box 81175 pgh pa 15217-0675 * atomic@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Line remembers being afraid when he was a little grub, and his mother let him cut a ham with a newly-sharpened knife, and he cut very slowly because he was afraid he would start a chain reaction if he cut an atom in half." From dave@smartstar.com Mon Mar 6 09:16:47 1995 Received: from Smrtstr.smartstar.com (smrtstr.smartstar.com [192.135.139.8]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA20739 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 09:13:53 -0800 Received: from shark.smartstar.com by Smrtstr.smartstar.com (4.1/SMI-4.1(Smrtstr)) id AA13670; Mon, 6 Mar 95 09:12:16 PST Received: by shark.smartstar.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA27352; Mon, 6 Mar 95 09:12:14 -0800 Message-Id: <9503061712.AA27352@shark.smartstar.com> To: atomic@netcom.com, d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Cc: dave@smartstar.com Subject: Re: Factory Preset ROM Card? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 04 Mar 95 08:12:43 PST." <199503041612.IAA07534@netcom17.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 95 09:11:11 -0800 From: "Dave Schwartz (dave@smartstar.com)" X-Mts: smtp Status: OR RE: D-70 Factory Presets disk I have a diskette that I got from Roland US Support which (supposedly) contains a sysex dump (in midi format) of the D-70 factory settings. I have used it to reload my D-70 after I (perhaps foolishly) initialized its memory using the power on/#8 sequence. This appears to have restored my synth, which has firmware rev. 1.17 Roland Support also told me that I could get the factory presets on a RAM card (n.b. not ROM; they would initialize a card for no charge if I sent it to them. I didn't ask if I could buy a RAM card directly from support) or on a SMF floppy. I opted for the floppy because it was cheaper ($10 plus shipping). The floppy I received seems to contain sysex dumps for a number of Roland synths, including the D-70 and others in the D- series. The Roland support guy correctly told me that Cakewalk would not load the dump; I had to use Windows Media Player, and use the undocumented midi bulk load mode (power on/#5). I think that the dump has too many (messages or sections or whatever you call the divisions within the bulk dump) for Cakewalk to handle. I don't suppose it would be legal to post the sysex file, now would it? From JAWEISS@saix367.sandia.gov Mon Mar 6 12:44:20 1995 Received: from sass165 (sass165.sandia.gov [132.175.109.1]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA25022 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 12:43:54 -0800 From: JAWEISS@saix367.sandia.gov Received: from ccsmtp.sandia.gov (saix367.sandia.gov [134.253.48.11]) by sass165 (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA15772; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 13:49:21 -0700 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.sandia.gov id AA794525010; Mon, 06 Mar 95 13:07:43 mst Date: Mon, 06 Mar 95 13:07:43 mst Encoding: 47 Text Message-Id: <9502067945.AA794525010@ccsmtp.sandia.gov> To: atomic@netcom.com, d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov, "Dave Schwartz (dave@smartstar.com)" Cc: dave@smartstar.com Subject: Re[2]: Factory Preset ROM Card? Status: OR I suspect that the sysex file you are discussing is the same one that is available on Compuserve in the Roland vendor forum. The file in the Compuserve library exhibits the same characteristics as you are describing (inability to load using Cakewalk). It should be noted, however, that from within Cakewalk one can make a sysex file off of the D-70 that can be dumped and unloaded quite easily using the midi bulk dump/load process. I think the problem is with the specific file being circulated not the complexity of it. Since this factory preset file only includes patches through the first part of the B-bank, I am interested in patches people have developed for the remaining memory locations in that bank. Joel A. Weiss--jaweiss@sandia.gov Sandia National Laboratories Albuquerque, NM ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Factory Preset ROM Card? Author: "Dave Schwartz (dave@smartstar.com)" at ccsmtp Date: 3/6/95 9:11 AM RE: D-70 Factory Presets disk I have a diskette that I got from Roland US Support which (supposedly) contains a sysex dump (in midi format) of the D-70 factory settings. I have used it to reload my D-70 after I (perhaps foolishly) initialized its memory using the power on/#8 sequence. This appears to have restored my synth, which has firmware rev. 1.17 Roland Support also told me that I could get the factory presets on a RAM card (n.b. not ROM; they would initialize a card for no charge if I sent it to them. I didn't ask if I could buy a RAM card directly from support) or on a SMF floppy. I opted for the floppy because it was cheaper ($10 plus shipping). The floppy I received seems to contain sysex dumps for a number of Roland synths, including the D-70 and others in the D- series. The Roland support guy correctly told me that Cakewalk would not load the dump; I had to use Windows Media Player, and use the undocumented midi bulk load mode (power on/#5). I think that the dump has too many (messages or sections or whatever you call the divisions within the bulk dump) for Cakewalk to handle. I don't suppose it would be legal to post the sysex file, now would it? From tam@ist.flinders.edu.au Sun Mar 19 22:43:30 1995 Received: from monty.cs.flinders.edu.au (monty.cs.flinders.edu.au [129.96.52.2]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA13575 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 22:32:42 -0800 Received: by monty.cs.flinders.edu.au id AA17165 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:01:17 +1030 Message-Id: <199503200631.AA17165@monty.cs.flinders.edu.au> To: atomic@netcom.com, d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: Newbie-ish questions Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:01:16 +1030 From: "Kevin C. Tam" Status: OR Greetings D-70 users! Hi! I've had this great synth for awhile now and ok..I admit it, I haven't really really read its humongous manual properly yet. So, with that in mind, I am aware that the following questions could be a tad irritating to some of you more experienced jammers out there. You see my problem is, every time I sit down to learn, I get a new tune and..you know..the rest is history. Anyways, I'm just telling you to keep that in mind as I present the following problems (for me they are anyway :P ): (1) I have absolutely no idea which bank my sequencer is selecting performances from! I am aware of the fact that the numbers start from 0 hence, I have to take 1 away from the number in order to get the actually performance I want during play back, but here's the catch: Even with these off sets in mind, I still can't get some instruments. Eg: in my user set, there's a performance called Ghosties, entering the "off setted" performance number into the sequencer's program number gets me a totally different performance! Related to this is the problem where I've made a new performance, but can't access it with the "off setted" version of the number assigned to it. IN ESSENCE: Which bank is the one accessed by my sequencer (Sequencer Plus Junior) when it tries to play back my compositions? I can get to most of the instruments I want but there are great ones in the user set and ones I've made up which I can't get to! (2) I've read the power up tricks for the synth (thanks to whoever it was who published them!) and tried the one where you send "live" MIDI information about pan, benders etc. I've tried this trick with a Cakewalk Pro Demo, but can't seem to get it record this data (I'm not sure if it's being sent out to the computer in the first place). What haven't I done? (3) Is it possible to have "independent" conditions for various channels? It would seem that all performances have their sound (reverb, pan etc) affected by channel 1. For example, if I were to use an instrument in Channel 1 which had "Hall 2" as a reverb setting, all the other intruments would have a "Hall 2" reverb, even if they were specified origianlly with another settting. Related to that is the fact that when I try to do pitch bending in one track, all the other instruments bend with it (getting the sort of effect you get when your tape is being chewed up by your audio or video tape recorder). Well that's all my questions (so far) Thanks for your patience in reading through this Email, it's much appreciated. Now if you have the answers to any (if not all!) of my questions, your help would be MUCH APPRECIATED! Look forward to your help everyone!! :) _ _________ _____ _ _ . . | |/ / ____\ \ / /_ _| \ | | . ~ _--_|\ ~ | ' /| _| \ \ / / | || \| | ~ ~ / \~ ~ "Anything I can do someone can do better." ~ . ~ \_.-@._/ ~ . ~ ~ |_|\_\_____| \_/ |___|_| \_|tam@ist.flinders.edu.au ~ . ~ v ~ From sratscha@risc.uni-linz.ac.at Mon Mar 20 07:53:57 1995 Received: from melmac.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (melmac.risc.uni-linz.ac.at [193.170.36.100]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA23289 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 07:52:24 -0800 Received: by melmac.risc.uni-linz.ac.at id AA23930 (Sendmail 5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 16:53:02 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 16:53:02 +0100 From: "Stefan Ratschan (VL SS 92)" Message-Id: <199503201553.AA23930@melmac.risc.uni-linz.ac.at> To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: Sliders Status: OR Hi D70'ies! The sliders of my D70 can send controller messages (by setting a control channel). The problem is: I want to use the sliders as controllers for external modules but I do n o t want to send note on/off and program change information on the control channel. Is there any way to do this? Stefan From kin@island.com Mon Mar 20 09:45:15 1995 Received: from firewall.island.com (gw.island.com [199.4.64.254]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA25924 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:44:53 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by firewall.island.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA01497 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:48:45 -0800 Received: from island.island.com(199.4.85.1) by firewall via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma001495; Mon Mar 20 09:47:46 1995 Received: from [199.4.88.30] (kinmac) by island.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01695; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:44:56 +0800 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:44:56 +0800 Message-Id: <9503201744.AA01695@island.com> X-Sender: kin@greenland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov From: kin@island.com (Joaquin Blas) Subject: Re: Sliders content-length: 684 Status: OR Powering up with the number 4 button down toggles the D-70's ability to transmit Note ons and and Note offs on the control channel. The "[KY]" on the System page means that the D-70 is not transmitting the Note Ons and Offs on the control channel. I learned this from the "Up and Running with the D-70" video put out by Roland. --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com >Hi D70'ies! > >The sliders of my D70 can send controller messages (by setting a control >channel). The problem is: I want to use the sliders as controllers for >external modules but I do n o t want to send note on/off and program >change information on the control channel. Is there any way to do this? > >Stefan From cyamamot Mon Mar 20 11:20:46 1995 Subject: Testing Distribution To: d70-users Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:20:46 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] This a test message to weed out undeliverable email accounts on this mailling list. Please delete this message. Thank you. - Cliff Yamamoto (D70-Users Mailing List) From steves@weasel.heurikon.com Mon Mar 20 11:48:03 1995 Received: from heurikon.com (root@dns.heurikon.com [192.48.244.69]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA28856 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 11:47:54 -0800 Received: from weasel.heurikon.com (weasel.heurikon.com [192.48.244.16]) by heurikon.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA13551 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 13:48:53 -0600 Received: (from steves@localhost) by weasel.heurikon.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA02204 for d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 13:48:19 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 13:48:19 -0600 From: Steven Schultheis Message-Id: <199503201948.NAA02204@weasel.heurikon.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: D-70 video X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: OR Hello all, kin@island.com (Joaquin Blas) writes, >I learned this from the "Up and Running with the D-70" video >put out by Roland. Does anybody know if this video is still available? If so, what does it cost and (most important) is it any good? - Steve +----------------------+----------------------------+ | Steven Schultheis | Email: steves@heurikon.com | | Software Engineer | Voice: 608/831-5500 | | Heurikon Corporation | Fax: 608/831-8844 | +----------------------+----------------------------+ From kin@island.com Mon Mar 20 12:01:25 1995 Received: from firewall.island.com (gw.island.com [199.4.64.254]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA29160 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:01:07 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by firewall.island.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA01970 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:03:53 -0800 Received: from island.island.com(199.4.85.1) by firewall via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma001968; Mon Mar 20 12:03:46 1995 Received: from [199.4.88.30] (kinmac) by island.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02723; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:00:56 +0800 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:00:55 +0800 Message-Id: <9503202000.AA02723@island.com> X-Sender: kin@greenland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov From: kin@island.com (Joaquin Blas) Subject: Re: D-70 video content-length: 1109 Status: O I bought the video when I first got my D-70. I believe this video is still available through Roland's "Super Store" for about $10. It's been about 2 years since I last watched it, so I can't remember exactly what I learned from the video, and what I've learned from years of dorking with the D-70. About the only thing I do remember was that it mentioned 2 of the power up sequences mentioned in our power up list available at the D-70 ftp site: "Fast Bulk Dump Mode" and "Note Ons/Offs on Control Channel". --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com >Hello all, > >kin@island.com (Joaquin Blas) writes, > >>I learned this from the "Up and Running with the D-70" video >>put out by Roland. > >Does anybody know if this video is still available? If so, >what does it cost and (most important) is it any good? > >- Steve > > +----------------------+----------------------------+ > | Steven Schultheis | Email: steves@heurikon.com | > | Software Engineer | Voice: 608/831-5500 | > | Heurikon Corporation | Fax: 608/831-8844 | > +----------------------+----------------------------+ From billj@cfi.unsw.EDU.AU Mon Mar 20 18:17:50 1995 Received: from arnie.cfi.unsw.EDU.AU (arnie.cfi.unsw.EDU.AU [129.94.200.100]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA07290 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 18:16:44 -0800 Received: from [129.94.200.9] ([129.94.200.9]) by arnie.cfi.unsw.EDU.AU (8.6.9/8.6.9.NET-BJB) with SMTP id LAA23503 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 11:20:38 +1000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 11:20:38 +1000 Message-Id: <199503210120.LAA23503@arnie.cfi.unsw.EDU.AU> X-Sender: billj@arnie.cfi.unsw.EDU.AU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov From: billj@arnie.cfi.unsw.EDU.AU (Bill Jaramillo) Subject: problems with bulk sys-ex dump Status: OR Hi All! I've very recently acquired a D-70, and am quite impressed with the machine. I have had a few teething problems in learning to use the machine, and was wondering if anyone could help out. The probs I've been having are with doing a system exclusive dump from my Mac to the D-70. I noticed there was a bit of discussion about this in the mailing-list archive, so I hope someone out there might be able to help. So, this is what happened - I did a bulk system exclusive dump from my D-70 to the Mac via the system set-up page. I then transferred some new sounds (from a 'Sound Source' disk that came with the synth) to the D-70 via bulk dump through the "Extend Product" mode (using the power-up sequence). The bulk dump with the Factory files worked OK, but when I tried to re-install my original sounds in the same way (through bulk dump in Extend Product mode) the D-70 did not want to know about it. So I can't get back my original sounds/set-up! I have noticed that the file containing my original sys ex dump is about 38K whereas the Sound Source files are larger (about 70K, from memory), and I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the problems I am experiencing? Can anyone offer any advice? I'd really like to get those old sounds back - I'm not that keen on re-programing everything! Thanks heaps if you can help. Bill Jaramillo. From knight@cae.cig.mot.com Tue Mar 21 06:33:22 1995 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA20650 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 06:29:59 -0800 Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (8.6.11/8.6.10/MOT-3.6) with ESMTP id IAA26013 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:29:29 -0600 Received: from po_box.cig.mot.com (po_box.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.5]) by pobox.mot.com (8.6.11/8.6.10/MOT-3.6) with ESMTP id IAA26076 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:29:28 -0600 Received: from sys14.cae.cig.mot.com (sys14.cae.cig.mot.com [136.182.237.35]) by po_box.cig.mot.com (8.6.11/SCERG-RELAY-1.11) with ESMTP id JAA29725 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:30:34 -0500 Received: from dch38.cae.cig.mot.com by sys14.cae.cig.mot.com with ESMTP (8.6.9/HUB2.2_02-25-95) id IAA18335; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:30:21 -0600 Received: by dch38.cae.cig.mot.com (8.6.9/CLIENT2.2_02-25-95) id IAA04184; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:26:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199503211426.IAA04184@dch38> From: PEKer Subject: Roland "Super Store" To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (D70 Mailing List) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 8:26:15 CST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: OR Could someone "in-the-know" post an address/tel. # for the Roland "Super Store" which was referenced earlier? I bet a lot of us would be interested in this info. Many thanks! Paul From kin@island.com Tue Mar 21 09:34:30 1995 Received: from firewall.island.com (gw.island.com [199.4.64.254]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA24536 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:34:04 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by firewall.island.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA06137 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:36:52 -0800 Received: from island.island.com(199.4.85.1) by firewall via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma006134; Tue Mar 21 09:36:48 1995 Received: from [199.4.88.30] (kinmac) by island.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01460; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:33:58 +0800 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:33:57 +0800 Message-Id: <9503211733.AA01460@island.com> X-Sender: kin@greenland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: kin@island.com (Joaquin Blas) Subject: Re: Roland "Super Store" content-length: 417 Status: OR Got this from the back of the Roland Users Group magazine. Roland Super Store (800) 386-7575 While your at it, you might want to see if they can add you to the Users Group mailing list. --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com >Could someone "in-the-know" post an address/tel. # for the >Roland "Super Store" which was referenced earlier? I bet a lot >of us would be interested in this info. > >Many thanks! > >Paul From kin@island.com Tue Mar 21 09:51:12 1995 Received: from firewall.island.com (gw.island.com [199.4.64.254]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA24861 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:51:09 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by firewall.island.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA06237 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:53:56 -0800 Received: from island.island.com(199.4.85.1) by firewall via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma006234; Tue Mar 21 09:53:27 1995 Received: from [199.4.88.30] (kinmac) by island.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01587; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:50:37 +0800 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:50:36 +0800 Message-Id: <9503211750.AA01587@island.com> X-Sender: kin@greenland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov From: kin@island.com (Joaquin Blas) Subject: Re: problems with bulk sys-ex dump content-length: 1635 Status: OR Just send your original SYSEX to the D-70, when it's not in the extended product mode. I believe you have stick to the same methods you used to generate your SYSEX, to get it back into the D-70. --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com >Hi All! > >I've very recently acquired a D-70, and am quite impressed with the >machine. I have had a few teething problems in learning to use the machine, >and was wondering if anyone could help out. > >The probs I've been having are with doing a system exclusive dump from my >Mac to the D-70. I noticed there was a bit of discussion about this in the >mailing-list archive, so I hope someone out there might be able to help. > >So, this is what happened - I did a bulk system exclusive dump from my D-70 >to the Mac via the system set-up page. I then transferred some new sounds >(from a 'Sound Source' disk that came with the synth) to the D-70 via bulk >dump through the "Extend Product" mode (using the power-up sequence). > >The bulk dump with the Factory files worked OK, but when I tried to >re-install my original sounds in the same way (through bulk dump in Extend >Product mode) the D-70 did not want to know about it. So I can't get back >my original sounds/set-up! > >I have noticed that the file containing my original sys ex dump is about >38K whereas the Sound Source files are larger (about 70K, from memory), and >I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the problems I am >experiencing? > >Can anyone offer any advice? I'd really like to get those old sounds back - >I'm not that keen on re-programing everything! > >Thanks heaps if you can help. > > >Bill Jaramillo. > > From kin@island.com Tue Mar 21 10:20:21 1995 Received: from firewall.island.com (gw.island.com [199.4.64.254]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA25419 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:20:14 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by firewall.island.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA06331 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:23:00 -0800 Received: from island.island.com(199.4.85.1) by firewall via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma006328; Tue Mar 21 10:22:11 1995 Received: from [199.4.88.30] (kinmac) by island.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01733; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:19:19 +0800 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:19:19 +0800 Message-Id: <9503211819.AA01733@island.com> X-Sender: kin@greenland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov From: kin@island.com (Joaquin Blas) Subject: Re: Newbie-ish questions content-length: 3785 Status: OR I didn't see any replies to Kevin's questions, so I'll give it a try: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >(1) >I have absolutely no idea which bank my sequencer is selecting >performances from! I am aware of the fact that the numbers start from 0 >hence, I have to take 1 away from the number in order to get the actually >performance I want during play back, but here's the catch: > Even with these off sets in mind, I still can't get some >instruments. Eg: in my user set, there's a performance called Ghosties, >entering the "off setted" performance number into the sequencer's program >number gets me a totally different performance! Related to this is the >problem where I've made a new performance, but can't access it with the >"off setted" version of the number assigned to it. > IN ESSENCE: Which bank is the one accessed by my sequencer > (Sequencer Plus Junior) when it tries to play back my > compositions? > I can get to most of the instruments I want but there are great >ones in the user set and ones I've made up which I can't get to! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was a little confused after I read #1 but this is what I think is happening. The performance number you should send from your sequencer should correspond to the order/number of the performance in the performance bank, NOT the user bank. The user bank is just a convinience thing that allows you to group your performances into "sets" and access them quick for live situations. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >(2) >I've read the power up tricks for the synth (thanks to whoever it was who >published them!) and tried the one where you send "live" MIDI information >about pan, benders etc. I've tried this trick with a Cakewalk Pro Demo, >but can't seem to get it record this data (I'm not sure if it's being sent >out to the computer in the first place). What haven't I done? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't done alot of experimenting with this, but I believe the panning info is sent out and received only on the control channel, and only affects the current synth part. I remember reading that in someones post a while ago. As for your bender problems, is your MIDI palette active? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >(3) >Is it possible to have "independent" conditions for various >channels? It would seem that all performances have their sound >(reverb, pan etc) affected by channel 1. For example, if I were to >use an instrument in Channel 1 which had "Hall 2" as a reverb >setting, all the other intruments would have a "Hall 2" reverb, even >if they were specified origianlly with another settting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is one thing that bugs me about the D-70 and the JV-series. The Reverb and Chorus settings affect all patches in the performance, about all you can do is specify how much each patch is affected by the Reverb and Chorus settings. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Related to >that is the fact that when I try to do pitch bending in one track, >all the other instruments bend with it (getting the sort of effect >you get when your tape is being chewed up by your audio or video >tape recorder). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is your keyboard in Omni mode? Is your sequencer echoing your bender data to all channels? Are all your parts in the performance set to the same MIDI channel? --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com From v922420@si.hhs.nl Wed Mar 22 04:07:14 1995 Received: from paaltjens.si.hhs.nl (pp@paaltjens.si.hhs.nl [145.52.80.3]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA18266 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 04:06:03 -0800 Received: from si.hhs.nl by paaltjens.si.hhs.nl id <18928-0@paaltjens.si.hhs.nl>; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 13:05:40 +0100 Received: by geeraerts.si.hhs.nl (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA19493; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 13:10:06 --100 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 13:10:06 --100 From: v922420@si.hhs.nl (Bart Koop) Message-Id: <9503221210.AA19493@geeraerts.si.hhs.nl> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: D70 editor? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 215 Status: OR Does anybody know a good D70 editor program for Amiga or MS-DOS/Windows, and where it can be obtained? It doesn't matter if it is a commercial program or PD. Best Wishes, Bart Koop v922420@si.hhs.nl From mhirveno@cc.helsinki.fi Wed Mar 22 05:41:13 1995 Received: from karhu.Helsinki.FI (mhirveno@karhu.Helsinki.FI [128.214.4.13]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA19912 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 05:40:31 -0800 Received: (mhirveno@localhost) by karhu.Helsinki.FI (8.6.10+Emil1.1/8.6.5) id PAA28474 for d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 15:40:07 +0200 From: Markku A Hirvenoja Message-Id: <199503221340.PAA28474@karhu.Helsinki.FI> Subject: Re: D70 editor? To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 15:40:07 +0200 (EET) In-Reply-To: <9503221210.AA19493@geeraerts.si.hhs.nl> from "Bart Koop" at Mar 22, 95 01:10:06 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 324 Status: OR > > Does anybody know a good D70 editor program for Amiga or MS-DOS/Windows, > and where it can be obtained? It doesn't matter if it is a commercial > program or PD. > > Best Wishes, > Bart Koop v922420@si.hhs.nl > > I`m interested just the same for Mac! Thanks, Markku Markku.Hirvenoja@helsinki.fi From d93fso@t.hfb.se Wed Mar 22 06:12:20 1995 Received: from t.hfb.se (txfs1.hfb.se [130.238.197.10]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA20490 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 06:11:19 -0800 Received: from tex13.hfb.se by t.hfb.se (4.1/HFB_T-1.1) id AA15172; Wed, 22 Mar 95 15:11:09 +0100 From: d93fso@t.hfb.se (Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93) Message-Id: <9503221411.AA15172@t.hfb.se> Subject: D70 editor? (fwd) To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 15:11:07 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 854 Status: OR Forwarded message: > Does anybody know a good D70 editor program for Amiga or MS-DOS/Windows, > and where it can be obtained? It doesn't matter if it is a commercial > program or PD. > > Best Wishes, > Bart Koop v922420@si.hhs.nl I once started to write one for the Amiga, but since it's quite large a project it was never finished. The MIDI routines doesn't seem to work any more, either. Probably because I poked around in my midi interface a bit too much. The only program on the Amiga I've heard of, that will do this is Dr T's XOR. I've never seen the actual program, but doubt that it'll be worth buying unless you have a A3000 or faster. Now, I'm going to buy a PC and would also like to know of any good editor/librarians that handle multiple synthesizers or (at least) the D70. Does XOR exist on PC? / Fredrik Solenberg From knight@cae.cig.mot.com Wed Mar 22 07:49:23 1995 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA22328 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 07:47:14 -0800 Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (8.6.11/8.6.10/MOT-3.6) with ESMTP id JAA19890 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 09:46:42 -0600 Received: from po_box.cig.mot.com (po_box.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.5]) by pobox.mot.com (8.6.11/8.6.10/MOT-3.6) with ESMTP id JAA28136 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 09:46:39 -0600 Received: from sys14.cae.cig.mot.com (sys14.cae.cig.mot.com [136.182.237.35]) by po_box.cig.mot.com (8.6.11/SCERG-RELAY-1.11) with ESMTP id KAA08068 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 10:47:43 -0500 Received: from dch38.cae.cig.mot.com by sys14.cae.cig.mot.com with ESMTP (8.6.9/HUB2.2_02-25-95) id JAA23133; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 09:47:24 -0600 Received: by dch38.cae.cig.mot.com (8.6.9/CLIENT2.2_02-25-95) id JAA09276; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 09:43:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199503221543.JAA09276@dch38> From: PEKer Subject: D70 editor? To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (D70 Mailing List) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 9:43:16 CST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: OR > Now, I'm going to buy a PC and would also like to know of any good > editor/librarians that handle multiple synthesizers or (at least) the D70. > Does XOR exist on PC? Yes; an older version exists, which runs under Windows. It was discontinued, and is supposed to re-emerge soon under another name, from another company. Someone else may be able to fill in the blanks there ... Good luck! Paul From kali@onr.com Fri Mar 24 18:38:25 1995 Received: from Sierra.onr.com (sierra.onr.com [199.1.90.2]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA02015 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 1995 18:31:51 -0800 Received: from onramp2-11.onr.com (onramp2-11.onr.com [199.1.90.32]) by Sierra.onr.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA28176 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 1995 20:28:04 -0600 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 20:28:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199503250228.UAA28176@Sierra.onr.com> X-Sender: kali@onr.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov From: kali@onr.com (Klaus-Dieter Kirchner) Subject: D70 Review on WWW Status: OR I just stumbled across two interesting webpages which contained info on the D70... One is a Used Gear homepage with pricing histories; its URL is: http://www.pitt.edu/~cjp/usedgear.html The other is a hypertext document with review(s) on the D70, at: http://www.pitt.edu/~cjp/Reviews/rol.d70 Enjoy! Rgds, Klaus _/_/_/ Klaus-Dieter Kirchner _/_/_/ kali@onr.com _/_/_/ _/_/_/ The Heliconia Group _/_/_/ Austin, Texas _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ From mschrae@uvvm.uvic.ca Sat Apr 15 17:49:21 1995 Received: from sol.UVic.CA (sol.UVic.CA [142.104.1.4]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA00410 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 1995 17:49:00 -0700 Received: from [142.104.18.31] (p18-31.dialup.UVic.CA) by sol.UVic.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1.3-UVic-2.63MX) id AA04417; Sat, 15 Apr 95 17:51:44 PDT X-Sender: mschrae@sol.uvic.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 17:49:00 -0700 To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov From: mschrae@uvvm.uvic.ca (m.c. schraefel) Subject: performer and d-70 angst? Status: OR forgive me if this is a repeat, but the mailer retunred this the first time i tried to send it ------------- howdie: i swear, i didn't change a thing! i'm using performer 5.02 and my sole keyboard, the roland d70. i'm playing back sequences thru it that i recorded on it months ago.grand. happy. however, when i go to play along with a sequence, or for that matter do a new one, this is what occurs: tap a note several times: big delay, then hear one note, maybe. also, the keyboard seems to cycle thru patches -- doesn't just stay at the patch i set in the track. it does this all on its own. so, playback is fine; playing without midi is fine but, hook up the midi to sequence play along or play anything at all and it gives up this weirdness. is there something basic i'm missing here? local sw is OFF, by the way. many thanks. course this happens when i have a deadline coming up, so many thanks in advance for your thoughts. mc From kolner.pad@sni.de Mon Apr 24 03:17:21 1995 Received: from mail.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA17280 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 03:08:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199504241008.DAA17280@kilroy> Received: from sni.de by mail.sni.de id <04115-0@mail.sni.de>; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:06:25 +0200 Subject: General/stanard Midi? To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 12:06:40 DST From: kolner X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Status: OR Hi there, Does the d-70 support Standard/General Midi? If not, can this be emulated by a program like Cubase. Thanks From geert@ccstss.ccsds.ahold.nl Mon Apr 24 10:34:15 1995 Received: from ccstss.ccsds.ahold.nl ([193.78.244.70]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA25192 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:33:36 -0700 Received: by ccstss.ccsds.ahold.nl (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21315; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:33:19 +0200 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:33:19 +0200 From: geert@ccstss.ccsds.ahold.nl (Geert Jonkheer) Message-Id: <9504241733.AA21315@ccstss.ccsds.ahold.nl> To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov, kolner.pad@sni.de Subject: Re: General/stanard Midi? Status: OR Hi, No the D70 isn't capable to handle general midi sounds/songs.... For this to work you should map all your patches to what is used with general midi. And even then you only got then six voices while the general midi standard can handle all 16 midi channel, thus 16 simultaneaous (correct if I spelled it wrong!) voices. Hope this answers your question, Geert Jonkheer. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ===== Geert W.T. Jonkheer Internet: geert@ccsds.ahold.nl ===== ===== Albert Heijn B.V. Room: HK 1.46 ===== ===== Ankersmidplein 2 Telephone: +31 (0)75 592166 ===== ===== 1506 CK Zaandam, Holland Fax: +31 (0)75 313030 ===== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From BillC16@aol.com Sat Apr 29 12:25:18 1995 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA15084 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 12:18:31 -0700 From: BillC16@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA169713098; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 15:18:18 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 15:18:18 -0400 Message-Id: <950429151818_100823146@aol.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: sysex dump to D-70 Status: OR I have been able to transmit and receive sysex bulk dumps between my D-70 and a Macintosh while in Extended Product Mode. But my problem is using sysex dumps in the regular mode. In the system menu there is an I>M transfer to send patch information to my computer. How do I get those patches back into the keyboard? (I need a I; Mon, 1 May 1995 14:20:47 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by firewall.island.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA02674 for ; Mon, 1 May 1995 14:24:15 -0700 Received: from island.island.com(199.4.85.1) by firewall via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma002672; Mon May 1 14:23:51 1995 Received: from saipan by island.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03260; Mon, 1 May 1995 14:20:29 +0800 Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 14:20:29 +0800 Message-Id: <9505012120.AA03260@island.com> X-Sender: kin@greenland.island.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov From: kin@island.com (Kin Blas) Subject: Re: sysex dump to D-70 X-Mailer: content-length: 673 Status: OR >I have been able to transmit and receive sysex bulk dumps between my D-70 and >a Macintosh while in Extended Product Mode. But my problem is using sysex >dumps in the regular mode. > >In the system menu there is an I>M transfer to send patch information to my >computer. How do I get those patches back into the keyboard? (I need a Itransfer). > >I realize I'm missing something. The manual, of course, is no help. Could >someone explain this process to me? > >Thanx in advance. > >Bill >billc16@aol.com > > Bill, I believe all you have to do is send the SYSEX back to the D-70, and it will automatically receive it. --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com From fkuhl@maestro.mitre.org Wed May 24 10:12:10 1995 Received: from mwunix.mitre.org (mwunix.mitre.org [128.29.154.1]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA18812 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 10:08:51 -0700 Received: from posthorn.ilab (posthorn.mitre.org [128.29.45.115]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA03332 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:09:22 -0400 Received: by posthorn.ilab (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21111; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:07:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 13:07:32 -0400 From: fkuhl@maestro.mitre.org (F. S. Kuhl) Message-Id: <9505241707.AA21111@posthorn.ilab> To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: natural-sounding synths? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: OR My church owns a D-70 which I'd like to supplement with an outboard midi-controlled rack-mount synthesizer. What we're really after is some natural-sounding organ stops, harpsichord, etc. Can you recommend any? A salesman recommended a Generalmusic SX-2 or -3. Any opinions on those? Part of what's driving this is my inability with a reasonable amount of effort to program the D-70. I know it can do lots of things, but I find its user interface insuperable. From Rob1622@aol.com Thu May 25 23:03:30 1995 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA20739 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 23:02:56 -0700 From: Rob1622@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA161508024; Fri, 26 May 1995 02:00:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 02:00:24 -0400 Message-Id: <950526020023_13127937@aol.com> To: fkuhl@maestro.mitre.org Cc: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: Re: natural-sounding synths? Status: OR > Can you recommend >any? A salesman recommended a Generalmusic SX-2 or -3. >Any opinions The Ensoniq TS-10 has some great organ sounds and is a breeze to program. Haven't played any of the General Music stuff so i can't offer an opinion there. From mark.ferrer@electric-ave.com Wed May 31 12:34:55 1995 Received: from mail.holonet.net (root@guardian.holonet.net [198.207.169.11]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA16511 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:31:09 -0700 From: mark.ferrer@electric-ave.com Received: from e-ave (root@localhost) by mail.holonet.net with UUCP id MAA01251; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:28:04 -0700 Received: by electric-ave.com id 0L3KH009 Wed, 31 May 95 15:01:08 -0400 Message-ID: <9505311501.0L3KH00@electric-ave.com> Organization: Electric Avenue X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.25/PRIMP 1.56p Date: Wed, 31 May 95 15:01:08 -0400 Subject: Useful editor/librarian To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Status: OR Hi folks. If anyone has had any luck in finding a useful editor/librarian for the Roland D-70, I'd like to know about it. Looking for pc format, rom version 1.16 (yes, I know I can still update) From toolssmith@eznet.com Wed May 31 18:42:27 1995 Received: from foothills (root@foothills.eznet.com [199.170.126.10]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA24339 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 18:41:18 -0700 From: toolssmith@eznet.com Received: from deimos.eznet.com by foothills (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA19189; Wed, 31 May 1995 18:41:48 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 May 95 18:41:13 +0P Reply-To: toolssmith@eznet.com To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: RE: Useful editor/librarian content-length: 351 Status: OR >Hi folks. If anyone has had any luck in finding a useful editor/librarian for >the Roland D-70, I'd like to know about it. Looking for pc format, rom version >1.16 (yes, I know I can still update) I know this is not on the topic but what is the latest ROM version for the D70 and does anyone know a quick way to get an upgrade? Thanks Steve From JAWEISS@saix367.sandia.gov Mon Jun 5 07:02:06 1995 Received: from sass165.sandia.gov (sass165.sandia.gov [132.175.109.1]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA28383 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 06:56:14 -0700 Received: from ccsmtp.sandia.gov ([134.253.48.65]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.6.11/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA03539 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 08:02:58 -0600 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.sandia.gov id AA802360727; Mon, 05 Jun 95 07:55:49 mst Date: Mon, 05 Jun 95 07:55:49 mst From: "Weiss, Joel A" Message-Id: <9505058023.AA802360727@ccsmtp.sandia.gov> To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: Cakewalk support for D70 Status: OR I just received a "maintenance" upgrade (3.01) for Cakewalk Professional for Windows which now includes the D70 as one of its supported keyboards. It doesn't compensate for the lack of General Midi compatibility but it does provide the software developer's idea of the proper mapping from General Midi to the D70. I've only had the upgrade for a few days and haven't fully explored its capabilities, but it appears to provide far better support to the D70 than I was able to do previously on my own. Joel Weiss jaweiss@sandia.gov From kerkenmeijer.pad@sni.de Mon Jun 19 23:50:27 1995 Received: from mail.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA08386 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 23:45:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199506200645.XAA08386@kilroy> Received: from sni.de by mail.sni.de id <05697-0@mail.sni.de>; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:43:53 +0200 Subject: General Midi..... To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 8:44:42 DST From: Arnold Schwarzenegger X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Status: OR Goodmorning everybody, I downloaded some midi-files from the www-pages, but most of them are made for instruments which support General Midi. Does anyone have the settings for the D-70 which are the same as the General Midi Standard. Please send a bulk dump of the complete settings (inclusive drums) to me in a uuencoded or HexBin 4.0 format. Thanx. From am450@freenet.carleton.ca Tue Jul 18 08:05:48 1995 Received: from freenet.carleton.ca (am450@freenet.carleton.ca [134.117.1.25]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA22159 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:03:10 -0700 Received: (am450@localhost) by freenet.carleton.ca (8.6.12/8.6.4) id LAA12388; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 11:02:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 11:02:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199507181502.LAA12388@freenet.carleton.ca> From: am450@freenet.carleton.ca (Andrew Smith) To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: Is is at all possible? ... Reply-To: am450@freenet.carleton.ca Status: OR To have a trigger into the D-70 to play any notes... like through the foot switch or something... any kind of hack? or is there resources for cheap trigger to MIDI converter..?? I only want to triger a single note. From a drum trigger. Thanks for any info... Andrew -- |Andrew R. D. Smith - Carleton University Computer Science |mailto:am450@freenet.carleton.ca + Psychology |http://chat.carleton.ca/~asmith From d93fso@t.hfb.se Tue Aug 1 08:17:17 1995 Received: from t.hfb.se (txfs1.hfb.se [130.238.197.10]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA15364 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:08:28 -0700 Received: from tex17.hfb.se by t.hfb.se (4.1/HFB_T-1.1) id AA12262; Tue, 1 Aug 95 17:08:15 +0200 From: d93fso@t.hfb.se (Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93) Message-Id: <9508011508.AA12262@t.hfb.se> Subject: Unreliable LFO rates... To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:08:14 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 830 Status: OR Hi guys. I get along pretty well with my D70. A problem though, is that the LFO rates are occasionally lower when more notes are played on the keyboard. This is very annoying. I was told that this is due to the CPU is too slow. I opened the D70 and found out that the CPU is a 80C196KB, which I have programmed a lot in assembly language. Now, do anyone of you know if the later ROM versions provide any cure for this LFO problem (I have 1.11)??? Is the OS written in assembly or C? Has anyone tried to dissassemble the ROM contents or know if there is any possibility to get the actual source from Roland? There is also a 20 MHz version of the processor available, as opposed to the 16 Mhz that is in the D70. I have been thinking of upgrading, but maybe that will affect some other hardware.... / Fredrik Solenberg From atomic@netcom.com Wed Aug 2 07:34:23 1995 Received: from netcom23.netcom.com (root@netcom23.netcom.com [192.100.81.137]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA12774 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:27:49 -0700 Received: by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA25926; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:15:37 -0700 From: atomic@netcom.com (Mike Metlay ++ Atomic City) Message-Id: <199508021415.HAA25926@netcom23.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Unreliable LFO rates... To: d93fso@t.hfb.se (Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov In-Reply-To: <9508011508.AA12262@t.hfb.se> from "Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93" at Aug 1, 95 05:08:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1968 Status: OR Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93 writes-- > >I get along pretty well with my D70. A problem though, is that the LFO rates >are occasionally lower when more notes are played on the keyboard. This is >very annoying. > >I was told that this is due to the CPU is too slow. I opened the D70 and found >out that the CPU is a 80C196KB, which I have programmed a lot in assembly >language. Now, do anyone of you know if the later ROM versions provide any >cure for this LFO problem (I have 1.11)??? Is the OS written in assembly or C? >Has anyone tried to dissassemble the ROM contents or know if there is any >possibility to get the actual source from Roland? I doubt they'd give you their source, it's proprietary even if the machine is out of production. The later ROM versions try to minimize the problem (I have 1.18 and don't notice it as much) but they're not completely successful. >There is also a 20 MHz version of the processor available, as opposed to the >16 Mhz that is in the D70. I have been thinking of upgrading, but maybe that >will affect some other hardware.... ?? It is internally clocked? I would think there's a clock chip elsewhere in the synth that controls this. mike ps. You actually opened your U-50 to poke around inside? Whoa. I've seen a tech work on one, and it seemed like an awful hassle to open just for a look. -- mike metlay * atomic city | .......one new telephone - a pressure cooker - a = atomic@netcom.com = | ventilator - four bars of chocolate - six pairs cd mailorder po box 81175 | of socks - a yellow clock - a pink ski shell - a pittsburgh, pa 15217-0675 | box of condoms - one baby leopard - a pot of jam or order from our website | - a safety pin - an iron - a red shoe - a camera http://pd.net/atomic-city | - one ton of peanuts - a black bra - a silver or via infinite illusions | fork - a typewriter - an electric train - three toll free: 1-800-548-6724 | tons of strawberriestrawberriestrawberries...... From <@post.demon.co.uk,@cassiel.demon.co.uk:nick@cassiel.com> Thu Aug 3 05:05:04 1995 Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA09304 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 04:57:40 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa02182; 3 Aug 95 11:59 +0100 Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa29173; 3 Aug 95 11:57 +0100 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:03:16 +0100 To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Unreliable LFO rates... Status: OR >ps. You actually opened your U-50 to poke around inside? Whoa. I've seen a >tech work on one, and it seemed like an awful hassle to open just for a look. I've looked inside mine a few times. It's not bad ... except that, like many Roland keyboards, it's built upside-down (or backwards, depending on your point of view). Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com "Success can be measured by only one thing: the hairs on the back of your neck." -- Twyla Tharp From cyamamot Thu Aug 24 06:49:36 1995 Subject: D70 Mail List test To: d70-users Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 6:49:36 PDT Cc: cyamamot (Clifford Yamamoto) From: cyamamot@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Cliff Yamamoto) Organization: Jet Propulsion Labs, Pasadena, Calif. Return-Receipt-To: cyamamot@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] This is a test. If you receive this email, then you are currently subscribed to the Roland D-70 mailing list. I'm trying to weed out the expired and invalid email addresses on the list. - Cliff (D70 Mail List Maintainer) From d93fso@txfs1.hfb.se Thu Aug 24 08:37:50 1995 Received: from cfxfs1.hfb.se (cfxfs1.hfb.se [130.238.194.5]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA18026 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 08:37:35 -0700 Received: from t.hfb.se (txfs1.hfb.se) by cfxfs1.hfb.se with SMTP id AA29757 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:32:01 +0200 Received: from tex17.hfb.se by t.hfb.se (5.x/HFB_BLG-1.2) id AA10168; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:37:29 +0200 Received: by tex17.hfb.se (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04548; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:35:56 +0200 From: d93fso@txfs1.hfb.se (Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93) Message-Id: <9508241535.AA04548@tex17.hfb.se> Subject: More LFO stuff... To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:35:55 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: OR Hi again, guys! I figured out myself, that getting the source for the ROMs from Roland is out of the question... I guess I was just dreaming for a minute or two. Now I've got the D-70 service notes, which have provided me with some useful information about the thing. I am also writing a small disassembler for PC, which I intend to use when I have read the contents of the D-70 ROMs. I don't know how hard it will be to figure out what does what in the code, but I will try! If it was written in assembly language, there will probably be no chance to correct the LFO problem. But if it was written in C, I may be able to optimize the code quite a lot. Since I am about to do this, it would be nice to hear from you about things that bother you when using the D-70. If this ROM upgrade thing ever becomes a reality, I could put the data on my WWW page for people to download and make their own ROMs. I cannot promise anything, though. I've got more things to do besides poking inside of synthesizers... Have anyone of you got the SN-SPLA-01 Waveform card for the D-70? What do you think about it? / Fredrik Solenberg From dave@shark.smartstar.com Thu Aug 24 13:20:39 1995 Received: from chango.smartstar.com (chango.smartstar.com [192.135.139.8]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA23837 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 13:18:56 -0700 Received: from shark.smartstar.com by chango.smartstar.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Jul95-8.2MPM) id AA24248; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 13:19:04 -0700 Received: by shark.smartstar.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA18946; Thu, 24 Aug 95 13:13:07 -0700 Message-Id: <9508242013.AA18946@shark.smartstar.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: D-70 battery replacement, anyone? Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 13:13:19 -0700 From: "Dave Schwartz (dave@smartstar.com)" X-Mts: smtp Status: OR Anybody replaced the battery in their D-70? I figure mine's about 5 years old so the battery should be just about ready to poop out. How hard is it? I have not tried to open my synth. I am not too bad with electronics when things fit together properly: I can work with computers (install/replace components, cards, memory, even motherboards in new cases); I can solder, but I'd hesitate to work on a densely populated p.c. board. I've built some electronic kits. So, can anyone give me an idea of the difficulty involved in replacing the battery? I do have the necessary midi stuff to restore the synth's memory. -- Dave Schwartz | "After changes upon changes dave@smartstar.com | we are more or less the same" VMS FOREVER | Paul Simon From jervis@earthlink.net Thu Aug 24 14:34:58 1995 Received: from atlas.earthlink.net (atlas.earthlink.net [198.68.160.40]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA25376 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:34:48 -0700 Received: from LOCALNAME by atlas.earthlink.net (8.6.11/) id OAA10123; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:35:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199508242135.OAA10123@atlas.earthlink.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Jervis Johnson" To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:38:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) Re: D-70 battery replacement, anyone? An answer .. Return-receipt-to: "Jervis Johnson" Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Status: OR ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: dave@smartstar.com Subject: Re: D-70 battery replacement, anyone? An answer .. Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:32:25 Aug 24th Dear Dave, Regarding changing the battery on the D-70, the changing of the battery itself is a piece of cake. The element of concern, it would appear for yourself, would be the removing of the cover etc. I have 3 times cleaned the contacts on my D-70. If ever choose to become adventurous and do so, Ed Coker at Roland as a 2 sheet set of instructions on how to do so. The instructions would obviously include how to open the D-70 etc. When I last opened up my D-70 I observed (but did not need to change) the battery. It is a silver battery about the size of a quarter coin and should be very easily available at a photo store or whatever. Roland has an EXCELLENT operations telephone line if you wish to proceed yourself. In any event, If I recall correctly you just remove the screws and take off the back cover and the battery is sitting right there on one of the main motherboards and able to be removed with ease. Hope this helps Jervis Johnson jervis@earthlink.net 213-650-3907 > To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov > Subject: D-70 battery replacement, anyone? > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 13:13:19 -0700 > From: "Dave Schwartz (dave@smartstar.com)" > > > Anybody replaced the battery in their D-70? I figure mine's about 5 > years old so the battery should be just about ready to poop out. > > How hard is it? I have not tried to open my synth. I am not too bad > with electronics when things fit together properly: I can work with > computers (install/replace components, cards, memory, even > motherboards in new cases); I can solder, but I'd hesitate to work > on a densely populated p.c. board. I've built some electronic kits. > > So, can anyone give me an idea of the difficulty involved in > replacing the battery? I do have the necessary midi stuff to restore > the synth's memory. > > > -- > Dave Schwartz | "After changes upon changes > dave@smartstar.com | we are more or less the same" > VMS FOREVER | Paul Simon > Jervis Johnson jervis@earthlink.net From <@post.demon.co.uk,@cassiel.demon.co.uk:nick@cassiel.com> Fri Aug 25 15:03:12 1995 Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA24359 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 15:00:46 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa01550; 25 Aug 95 21:28 +0100 Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa09912; 25 Aug 95 21:25 +0100 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 21:28:23 +0100 To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: D-70 battery replacement, anyone? Status: OR >So, can anyone give me an idea of the difficulty involved in replacing >the battery? I do have the necessary midi stuff to restore the synth's memory. Are you sure about that? A dump of the tones, patches, performances etc. is *not* sufficient to reconstitute a D-70 after it's been completely wiped. There is a full MIDI dump which contains internal data (such as the character sets for the display). I can't remember offhand how you generate one: some command-cokebottle sequence at boot-up. (I have the details somewhere.) Nick Rothwell CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance nick@cassiel.com "Success can be measured by only one thing: the hairs on the back of your neck." -- Twyla Tharp From dave@shark.smartstar.com Fri Aug 25 15:42:56 1995 Received: from chango.smartstar.com (chango.smartstar.com [192.135.139.8]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA25265 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 15:42:48 -0700 Received: from shark.smartstar.com by chango.smartstar.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Jul95-8.2MPM) id AA25628; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 15:42:47 -0700 Received: by shark.smartstar.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA16586; Fri, 25 Aug 95 15:36:51 -0700 Message-Id: <9508252236.AA16586@shark.smartstar.com> To: Nick Rothwell Cc: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov, dave@shark.smartstar.com Subject: Re: D-70 battery replacement, anyone? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 25 Aug 95 21:28:23 BST." Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 15:37:01 -0700 From: "Dave Schwartz (dave@smartstar.com)" X-Mts: smtp Status: OR I asked: >So, can anyone give me an idea of the difficulty involved in replacing >the battery? I do have the necessary midi stuff to restore the synth's memory. Nick Rothwell asked: > Are you sure about that? A dump of the tones, patches, performances etc. is > *not* sufficient to reconstitute a D-70 after it's been completely wiped. > There is a full MIDI dump which contains internal data (such as the > character sets for the display). I can't remember offhand how you generate > one: some command-cokebottle sequence at boot-up. (I have the details > somewhere.) Thanks for the warning. I have already completely restored the memory of my D-70 after initializing it, which I (albeit foolishly) did before reading the dire warning against doing so in the D70 ftp archive. BTW, I have a copy of the initial factory setup file from Roland (on a SMF diskette). If anyone is interested, I can post it. -- Dave Schwartz | "It's the blind leading the blind, and I am amazed dave@smartstar.com | How they stumble homeward through the haze" VMS FOREVER | David Crosby From Weave@aol.com Sat Aug 26 23:53:25 1995 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA28836 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 23:46:52 -0700 From: Weave@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA25371 for d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 02:46:52 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 02:46:52 -0400 Message-ID: <950827024651_64318273@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: Speaking of battery replacement... Status: OR ...I recently purchased some Data ROM cards for the D-70. (Remember that close-out special that American Music Supply had going?) Picked up SN-SPLA-01, 03 and PN-D70-03. The problem is that the cards play for a few seconds then go silent. If I change programs, the audio comes back. It doesn't appear to be MIDI overflow, either. Anyone else experiencing this phenomenon? All I can think is that perhaps the cards have batteries that are running low. Any advice or tips would be greatly appreciated. -Weave ------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Weaver..........................................weave@aol.com Cincinnati, Ohio..........................Host of America Online's .........................................."Composers' Coffeehouse" An AOLer and Proud. >:P Keyword: "Composers" ------------------------------------------------------------------- From d93fso@txfs1.hfb.se Sun Aug 27 11:50:10 1995 Received: from cfxfs1.hfb.se (cfxfs1.hfb.se [130.238.194.5]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA11086 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 11:46:21 -0700 Received: from t.hfb.se (txfs1.hfb.se) by cfxfs1.hfb.se with SMTP id AA03217 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:40:49 +0200 Received: from tex17.hfb.se by t.hfb.se (5.x/HFB_BLG-1.2) id AA19386; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:46:15 +0200 Received: by tex17.hfb.se (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11601; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:44:45 +0200 From: d93fso@txfs1.hfb.se (Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93) Message-Id: <9508271844.AA11601@tex17.hfb.se> Subject: Re: More LFO stuff... (fwd) To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:44:44 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: OR Forwarded message: > > >Since I am about to do this, it would be nice to hear from you about things > >that bother you when using the D-70. If this ROM upgrade thing ever > >becomes a reality, I could put the data on my WWW page for people to > >download and make their own ROMs. > > What is involved in making your own ROM? That would be great. > > For one thing I would like to be able to access card sounds and internal > sounds under one performance, via midi program change. Now, you have to > write the card sound to internal and doing just that doesn't copy the whole > sound, unless you copy the wave files as well, and that overwrites other > wave files. But, I'm sure you know all of that. > > Let me know... I have thought of that too. Again, soo far this ROM update is fictious. We'll see what happens... I have done a few designs with the 80C196KB CPU that is in the D70, so that won't be a problem. / Fredrik Solenberg From b432vidal@bzm401.hannover.bgr.de Mon Aug 28 11:06:53 1995 Received: from bzm401 (bzm401.Hannover.BGR.de [193.174.160.23]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA15500 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 11:06:39 -0700 From: b432vidal@bzm401.hannover.bgr.de Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:04:38 +0100 Message-Id: <95082820043815@bzm401.hannover.bgr.de> To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: D-70 patch editor for DOS or Windows X-VMS-To: SMTP%"d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov" Status: OR Does anyone know about a patch editor running under DOS/Windows? is there a ftp site to download such a software or do you know about commercial editors for the D-70? From b432vidal@bzm401.hannover.bgr.de Tue Aug 29 00:46:52 1995 Received: from bzm401 (bzm401.Hannover.BGR.de [193.174.160.23]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA03021 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:45:16 -0700 From: b432vidal@bzm401.hannover.bgr.de Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:43:35 +0100 Message-Id: <95082909433548@bzm401.hannover.bgr.de> To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: D70 patches X-VMS-To: SMTP%"d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov" Status: OR Does anyone know ftp sites to download patches for the D-70? I do not know how to handle *.Z files under VMS or DOS. Can you help me? From atomic@netcom.com Thu Dec 28 20:57:13 1995 Received: from netcom23.netcom.com (atomic@netcom23.netcom.com [192.100.81.137]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA16075 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 20:57:13 -0800 Received: by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id UAA15853; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 20:54:00 -0800 From: atomic@netcom.com (Mike Metlay ++ Atomic City) Message-Id: <199512290454.UAA15853@netcom23.netcom.com> Subject: Re: SUBSCRIBE To: TomNiemi@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 20:53:59 -0800 (PST) Cc: cyamamot@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (D-70 List Owner) In-Reply-To: <951228150559_80160131@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "TomNiemi@aol.com" at Dec 28, 95 03:06:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1163 Status: OR TomNiemi@aol.com writes-- > >SUBSCRIBE D-70 USERS LIST > >SUBSCRIBE D-70 USERS > >SUBSCRIBE D-70 USERS-L > >SUBSCRIBE D-70 USER-L > >SUBSCRIBE D70 USERS-L > >SUBSCRIBE D-70-USERS > >SUBSCRIBE D-70 LIST My. He sure is thorough, isn't he? :) Tom Niemi, meet Cliff Yamamoto. Cliff is the D-70 Mailing List administrator. He is not a list server or a majordomo package, he is a very nice human being who runs our list by hand. I am sure that he would be glad to put you on the list if you asked him nicely. Cliff, meet Tom Niemi. I think he wants to join the D-70 List. Could you help him out, please? Thanks in advance. mike -- The Royal Headsman watched the guards drag the Court Jester to the block... "You know," he mused with a smile as he sharpened his axe, "You didn't just tell great jokes about the King. No, YOU gave us something to THINK about." =========================================================================== Mike Metlay : ATOMIC CITY : P. O. Box 81175, Pittsburgh, PA 15217-0675 USA = atomic@netcom.com = http://pd.net/atomic-city = 800.924.ATOM = CD orders via LOFTY PURSUITS: 800.548.6724 & 904.385.6463, FAX 904.668.5825 From cyamamot Fri Feb 9 00:38:34 1996 Subject: D70 Mailing List test (please ignore) To: d70-users Date: Fri, 9 Feb 96 0:38:34 PST Cc: cyamamot (Clifford Yamamoto) From: cyamamot@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Cliff Yamamoto) Organization: Jet Propulsion Labs, Pasadena, Calif. Return-Receipt-To: cyamamot@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Please delete this message. We had a system crash on this host and I need to confirm the mail daemons and permissions are in working order. - Cliff Yamamoto (D70 Mailing List) From bert@netcom.com Sun Feb 18 15:30:18 1996 Received: from netcom21.netcom.com (bert@netcom21.netcom.com [192.100.81.135]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA08317 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:30:17 -0800 Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA19271; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:29:30 -0800 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:29:30 -0800 From: bert@netcom.com (Roberto Sierra) Message-Id: <199602182329.PAA19271@netcom21.netcom.com> To: cyamamot@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: For a good time... Status: OR Hey there -- it's been a while since I talked to you. I've been doing a lot of 'real' music work lately, so I haven't been keeping up with the D-70 discussion group (procmail automatically files those messages for me, so I don't read them regularly). What I wanted to mention was that the Kilroy MIDI archive is listed in a Web Page you may be interested in. Check out http://www.aitech.ac.jp/~ckelly/SMF.html Standard MIDI Files on the Net This probably won't generate too much additional traffic for you, but you never know. The fellow who administers the Standard MIDI Files page just let me know that my archive was listed there (its also on several other systems, as I pointed out to him). -- Roberto Sierra Tempered MicroDesigns San Francisco, CA From TOM_HESPOS@yr.com Wed Mar 13 13:41:29 1996 Received: from yandr-bh.yr.com (yandr-bh.yr.com [206.33.89.66]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA15555 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:37:30 -0800 From: TOM_HESPOS@yr.com Received: (from uucp@localhost) by yandr-bh.yr.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id QAA03817 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:40:14 -0500 Received: from smtp.yr.com by yandr-bh.yr.com via smap (V1.3) id sma003789; Wed Mar 13 16:40:02 1996 Received: from ccMail by smtp.yr.com (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 14740e40; Wed, 13 Mar 96 16:40:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:36:43 -0500 Message-ID: <14740e40@yr.com> Subject: Dead list? To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Status: OR Hi: I subscribed to this list a couple of weeks back and I haven't received anything. Is the list still active? -TFH From Harri.Laakkonen@xnet.otm.fi Thu Mar 14 04:56:26 1996 Received: from teknosun.otm.fi (root@teknosun.otm.fi [194.136.172.2]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA18731 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 04:53:54 -0800 Received: from localhost (hla.xnet.otm.fi [194.136.175.138]) by teknosun.otm.fi (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA22571 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:56:26 +0200 Received: by localhost with Microsoft Mail id <01BB11B5.A83AD000@localhost>; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:50:59 +-200 Message-ID: <01BB11B5.A83AD000@localhost> From: Harri Laakkonen To: "'d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov'" Subject: Re: Dead list? Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:50:57 +-200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: OR Hi: =20 I subscribed to this list a couple of weeks back and I haven't = received anything. Is the list still active? =20 -TFH I subscribed maybe a couple of months ago and haven=B4t received = practically anything, either. So I would not call the list "active", but = it is probably up to each of us to make it such? Does anyone have or know where I could find any sounds for D70? I have = modified the original sounds quite a lot, but I would like to find some = more... I am especially interested in analog-style but also more modern = synth sounds, instead of the poor acoustic instrument imitations that = are far too often included in the factory sounds... A sound editor for PC would be nice, also. As far as I know, there is = none that supports D70, or how? Harri Laakkonen From TOM_HESPOS@yr.com Thu Mar 14 06:51:26 1996 Received: from yandr-bh.yr.com (yandr-bh.yr.com [206.33.89.66]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA18948 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 06:51:14 -0800 From: TOM_HESPOS@yr.com Received: (from uucp@localhost) by yandr-bh.yr.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id JAA03994 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:54:18 -0500 Received: from smtp.yr.com by yandr-bh.yr.com via smap (V1.3) id sma003987; Thu Mar 14 09:54:17 1996 Received: from ccMail by smtp.yr.com (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 14833630; Thu, 14 Mar 96 09:55:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:49:02 -0500 Message-ID: <14833630@yr.com> Subject: Resources? To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Status: OR Hi - I guess the D-70 list is not as dead as I might have thought. It appears there are quite a few of you lurking around. I belong to a couple of lists like this and most of them have: 1) a mail archive 2) a list of web resources 3) a FAQ for the device being discussed I bought my D-70 about 8 months ago for $300. I think I got a good deal. Mainly, I've been using it with an Ensoniq SQ-80 and a Roland D-10 in a MIDI daisy chain. I don't know much about the D-70 because I didn't get manuals with it. However, I know the D-10 inside out because I bought it new in the 80s and have all the documentation. Thus, I can make educated guesses about how the D-70 works. Any information resources that y'all could point me to would be greatly appreciated. If someone has written a FAQ or there is an archive of previous postings, please let me know. Thanks. -TFH From Tristan@fox.nstn.ca Thu Mar 14 08:17:46 1996 Received: from Fox.nstn.ca (fox.nstn.ca [137.186.128.12]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA19439 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:17:20 -0800 Received: from 204.191.138.121 (ts16-01.tor.InfoRamp.Net [204.191.138.121]) by Fox.nstn.ca (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA06339 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:17:56 -0400 (AST) Message-ID: <314842A9.6D19@fox.nstn.ca> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:00:41 -0500 From: Jason Agouris Reply-To: Tristan@fox.nstn.ca Organization: Tristan Music Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: Resources? References: <14833630@yr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR TOM_HESPOS@yr.com wrote: > [ ....... ] Any information resources that y'all could > point me to would be greatly appreciated. If someone has written > a FAQ or there is an archive of previous postings, please let me > know. Thanks. The only thing that I suspect to be unique about the D-70 is the access to the tone editing suite. Otherwise, if you have a D-10, you'll probably figure it out pretty easily. It is a remarkably powerful and flexible machine, once you realize that the manual was written by half-wits. In fact there are third party manuals out there that are supposed to be really good - I haven't bought one though. Jason From Tristan@fox.nstn.ca Thu Mar 14 08:17:54 1996 Received: from Fox.nstn.ca (fox.nstn.ca [137.186.128.12]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA19437 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:17:19 -0800 Received: from 204.191.138.121 (ts16-01.tor.InfoRamp.Net [204.191.138.121]) by Fox.nstn.ca (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA06244 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:17:38 -0400 (AST) Message-ID: <314840BF.7EF5@fox.nstn.ca> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:52:31 -0500 From: Jason Agouris Reply-To: Tristan@fox.nstn.ca Organization: Tristan Music Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: Dead list? References: <01BB11B5.A83AD000@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Harri Laakkonen wrote: > Does anyone have or know where I could find any sounds for D70? I have modified the original sounds quite a lot, but I would like to find some more... I am esp I believe that the U-20 cards work perfectly with the D-70, and I know for a fact that there are - or used to be - cards specifically written for the D-70. Retail stores don't seem to be too interested in carrying these cards anymore though, you have to search through Keyboard magazine, or some such industry mag, you can find these cards there in the "mail order" sections. I had borrowed a ROM card from a friend's store for a couple of days once, it was fun actually having an entirely new batch of sound waves to play with. The only drag was that you had to do all of the new programming yourself (because these were just the waves, not the sound patches configured), so it could take quite some time if you tend to be impatient, or a plug-and-play type. To tell you the truth, I haven't given these cards much thought until now. Now you've got my interest peaked again! Hope this helps Jason From pknight%etn-ctl-@elec.ctl.etn.com Thu Mar 14 09:38:58 1996 Received: from firewall.etn.com (firewall.etn.com [151.110.127.15]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA19965 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:38:13 -0800 Received: from elec.ctl.etn.com by firewall.etn.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA084955101; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:38:22 -0500 Received: by elec.ctl.etn.com from NetWare MHS, SMF-70 via XGATE 3.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway Message-Id: <28724531018BC022@elec.ctl.etn.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 11:33:00 CST From: PAUL KNIGHT Sender: PAUL KNIGHT To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: Ed/Libs X-Mailer: XGATE 3.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway Status: OR ****************************************** XGATE EVALUATION TRIAL PERIOD EXPIRED ****************************************** Text item: Text_1 Since there has been some traffic, I thought I'd ask a question: what is the preferred Ed/Lib for the D70 on an IBM platform? What are people using these days? Thanks, Paul From greg@tcp.com Thu Mar 14 09:56:44 1996 Received: from tcp.com (tcp.com [206.40.34.130]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA20055 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:56:39 -0800 Received: from [171.68.13.46] (c2robo14.cisco.com [171.68.13.46]) by tcp.com (8.7.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA06040 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:57:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:58:31 -0800 From: Greg Kolanek Reply-To: greg@tcp.com Subject: This List To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov In-Reply-To: <28724531018BC022@elec.ctl.etn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: OR Haven't seen traffic on this list in quite awhile. I don't seem to have the unsubscription instructions handy anymore. Anyone on the list have them and care to resend them as a favor? Or, if the list owner's watching, could he send them or simply remove me from the list? Thanks in advance. From wrouck@pioneer.uspto.gov Thu Mar 14 11:19:11 1996 Received: from pioneer.uspto.gov (pioneer.uspto.gov [151.207.128.1]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA20389 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:18:38 -0800 Received: from pioneer.uspto.gov.pioneer.uspto.gov (port17.max1.uspto.gov) by pioneer.uspto.gov (4.1/3.1.072291-U.S. Patent and Trademark Office) id AA11492; Thu, 14 Mar 96 14:19:18 EST Message-Id: <31487131.7A20@uspto.gov> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:19:13 -0500 From: William Rouck Organization: US PTO X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Resources? References: <14833630@yr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I bought my D-70 about 8 months ago for $300. I think I got > a good deal. Mainly, I've been using it with an Ensoniq SQ-80 Geez, I remember the day I bought mine and plopped down about $1700! Years ago though and it had just come out. > and a Roland D-10 in a MIDI daisy chain. I don't know much about > the D-70 because I didn't get manuals with it. However, I know > the D-10 inside out because I bought it new in the 80s and have > all the documentation. Thus, I can make educated guesses about > how the D-70 works. Any information resources that y'all could > point me to would be greatly appreciated. If someone has written > a FAQ or there is an archive of previous postings, please let me > know. Thanks. There are third-party publishers of books for the D-70. I have one at home, and if you want more information on it I can get you the book title and publisher. Bill From peter@aai.com Thu Mar 14 11:49:08 1996 Received: from iue.aai.com (iue.aai.com [192.190.241.40]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA20508 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:48:59 -0800 Received: from ipx0.aai.com by iue.aai.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA09613; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:49:33 -0500 Received: by ipx0.aai.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07374; Thu, 14 Mar 96 14:49:32 EST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 14:49:32 EST From: peter@aai.com (Peter Eggleston) Message-Id: <9603141949.AA07374@ipx0.aai.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Sound Cards X-Mailer: Pronto [version 2.01] content-length: 364 Status: OR I have been using the Global Collection D-70 card from Roland (PN-D70-01) which I like a lot. I have some other ROM cards with nice sounds, but who has the time anymore to program. It used to be fun when the keyboards had knobs and sliders. Somehow, I lost interest when they became menu-ized. Really wreaks havoc with the creative process. Peter Eggleston From crispin@axionet.com Thu Mar 14 16:23:02 1996 Received: from ea.com (gatekeeper.ea.com [159.153.88.2]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA21821 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 16:21:17 -0800 Received: from chands.eac.ea.com (s10027.eac.ea.com [159.153.100.27]) by ea.com (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id QAA07980; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 16:21:18 -0800 Message-ID: <3148B8A1.33EA@axionet.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 16:24:01 -0800 From: Crispin Hands X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0GoldB1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PAUL KNIGHT CC: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Ed/Libs References: <28724531018BC022@elec.ctl.etn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR PAUL KNIGHT wrote: > > ****************************************** > XGATE EVALUATION TRIAL PERIOD EXPIRED > ****************************************** > > Text item: Text_1 > > Since there has been some traffic, I thought I'd ask a question: what > is the preferred Ed/Lib for the D70 on an IBM platform? What are > people using these days? > > Thanks, > > Paul I have no idea. I'm using Cubase 2.6 with Studio Module to "get at" the patches although it doesn't really have any real editing features. It is however, remarkable convenient to work with (very fast way to select patches etc.) and it's a nice easy way to store and recall Performance/Patch/Tone data etc. on your PC. If anyone does find a good one, please let me know too. I hate editing on the D-70. (Yeah the graphical interface is nice but I think it could be much more robust on the full screen of a PC.) From saratoga-ave.com!mark.ferrer@mserv.wizvax.net Fri Mar 15 08:19:38 1996 Received: from mserv.wizvax.net (root@mserv.wizvax.net [199.181.141.3]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA24104 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:17:46 -0800 Received: by saratoga-ave.com id 0FPKB004 Fri, 15 Mar 96 11:10:58 -0400 From: mark.ferrer@saratoga-ave.com Message-ID: <9603151110.0FPKB00@saratoga-ave.com> Organization: Saratoga Avenue X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.25/PRIMP 1.56p Date: Fri, 15 Mar 96 11:10:58 -0400 Subject: D-70 editor/librarian To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Status: OR Hi...since the group seems to have picked up some activity and there's interest in an ed/lib for the D-70, I thought I'd stick in my 2 cents worth. MusicQuest has the best PC based program for the D-70, with easy to use screens and lots of nifty button bars to edit and morph tones together. A couple of caveats here, though. First, you have to find out what rom version you have....if it's v. 1.15 or lower, the MidiQuest v.5.0 will work fine for you. If you have v. 1.16 to 1.18, you're screwed. You have to call Roland and request the v. 1.19 chip which interacts okay with the program. If you're interested in demo-ing this program, you can download the file (I believe it's called mqdemo5.0 or something like that) from the MusicQuest bbs at 604-874-8971...if you can't d/l the file from them, leave me mail and I'll send it to you. From jacquest@magi.com Fri Mar 15 17:50:04 1996 Received: from infoweb.magi.com (infoweb.magi.com [198.53.212.2]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA27892 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:46:21 -0800 Received: from [198.53.212.28] (magi03p08.magi.com [198.53.212.28]) by infoweb.magi.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA23657; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 20:46:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 20:47:28 -0400 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: jacquest@magi.com (Jacques Therrien) Subject: Re: Dead list? Cc: TOM_HESPOS@yr.com Status: OR > > Hi: > > I subscribed to this list a couple of weeks back and I haven't > received anything. Is the list still active? > > -TFH Tom: -- TOM_HESPOS@yr.com I have wondered the same thing. I am not sure exactly how this works. It does not seem to operate like other lists. I would have thought there would be more exchanges regarding the D-70. I hope your note will spur some reactions. Jacques From sms@magenta.com Sat Mar 16 14:38:47 1996 Received: from magenta.com (sms@magenta.com [198.82.200.60]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA00702 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 14:38:37 -0800 Received: (sms@localhost) by magenta.com (8.6.12/8.6.4) id RAA09819; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 17:36:15 -0500 From: SMS/Christian Fowler Message-Id: <199603162236.RAA09819@magenta.com> Subject: Re: Sound Cards To: peter@aai.com (Peter Eggleston) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 17:36:14 -0500 (EST) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov In-Reply-To: <9603141949.AA07374@ipx0.aai.com> from "Peter Eggleston" at Mar 14, 96 02:49:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 719 Status: OR > > I have been using the Global Collection D-70 card from Roland (PN-D70-01) which > I like a lot. I have some other ROM cards with nice sounds, but who has the > time anymore to program. It used to be fun when the keyboards had knobs and > sliders. Somehow, I lost interest when they became menu-ized. Really wreaks > havoc with the creative process. > The retailer American Music Supply (AMS) has been selling old U series and one D-70 cards for $20 and $15 respectively. If you have a recent catalog, they are ion the back... =-= =-=+=-= Sound Machine Sound - The Music Makers Net Directory =-=%=-= Christian Fowler - sHAPE FACTOR MOMENt =-=+=-= sms@magenta.com http://magenta.com/~sms/ =-= From sms@magenta.com Sat Mar 16 14:39:08 1996 Received: from magenta.com (sms@magenta.com [198.82.200.60]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA00697 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 14:36:51 -0800 Received: (sms@localhost) by magenta.com (8.6.12/8.6.4) id RAA09808; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 17:34:18 -0500 From: SMS/Christian Fowler Message-Id: <199603162234.RAA09808@magenta.com> Subject: Re: Ed/Libs To: crispin@axionet.com (Crispin Hands) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 17:34:17 -0500 (EST) Cc: pknight%etn-ctl-@elec.ctl.etn.com, d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov In-Reply-To: <3148B8A1.33EA@axionet.com> from "Crispin Hands" at Mar 14, 96 04:24:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 722 Status: OR > > If anyone does find a good one, please let me know too. I hate editing on the D-70. (Yeah the graphical interface is nice > but I think it could be much more robust on the full screen of a PC.) > I must be a rare breed, but personally I like programming the D-70. One problem I have is my C1 controller keeps intermittenly sending its value. It is currently set to volume. When the slider is all the way down, it will send a VOLUME 0 message to itself and my currently selected OMS instrument. Anyone else ever had this problem? =-= =-=+=-= Sound Machine Sound - The Music Makers Net Directory =-=%=-= Christian Fowler - sHAPE FACTOR MOMENt =-=+=-= sms@magenta.com http://magenta.com/~sms/ =-= From roland@mail.wineasy.se Sun Mar 17 10:41:49 1996 Received: from mailbox.swip.net (mailbox.swip.net [193.12.122.1]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA02921 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 10:39:42 -0800 Received: from [193.12.69.29] (ras29.wineasy.se [193.12.69.29]) by mailbox.swip.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA05771; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:40:11 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:40:11 +0100 (MET) X-Sender: roland@mail.wineasy.se (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Harri.Laakkonen@otm.fi From: roland@mail.wineasy.se (Roland Ivarsson) Subject: Re: Dead list? Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Status: OR >A sound editor for PC would be nice, also. As far as I know, there is none >that supports D70, or how? Unisyn for Windows (universal librarian) has a module for D-70. Got very good marks in a recent EM review... (I'm satisfied with the Mac version) /Roland * RIC Audio Studio - Stockholm - Sweden * (roland@wineasy.se) From jport@aironet.com Mon Mar 18 10:45:11 1996 Received: from telxon.mis.telxon.com ([149.23.2.4]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA04738 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 03:13:41 -0800 Received: from aironet.com by telxon.mis.telxon.com (SMI-8.6/3.1.090690-Telxon Corporation) id LAA23413; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:13:30 GMT Received: from Connect2 Message Router by aironet.com via Connect2-SMTP 4.00; Mon, 18 Mar 96 06:14:12 -0500 Message-ID: <17AED16001DA0020@aironet.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 96 06:12:41 -0500 From: PORTER JEFFREY 7945 Sender: PORTER JEFFREY 7945 Organization: Aironet To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: D-70 key contacts X-mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway Status: OR Does anyone know the detailed steps in cleaning and changing the key contacts on a D-70. I keep spending a $100.00 each time have them cleaned. This is the only keyboard that I have ever owned that had this much trouble with key contacts problems. Notes quit playing or cut in and out. Thanks From crispin@axionet.com Tue Mar 19 14:56:54 1996 Received: from ea.com (ea.com [159.153.88.2]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA13582 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:56:50 -0800 Received: from chands.eac.ea.com (s10027.eac.ea.com [159.153.100.27]) by ea.com (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id KAA19217; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 10:54:08 -0800 Message-ID: <314F0324.4569@axionet.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 10:55:32 -0800 From: Crispin Hands X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0GoldB1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jacques Therrien CC: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov, TOM_HESPOS@yr.com Subject: Re: Dead list? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Jacques Therrien wrote: > > > > > Hi: > > > > I subscribed to this list a couple of weeks back and I haven't > > received anything. Is the list still active? > > > > -TFH > > Tom: -- TOM_HESPOS@yr.com > > I have wondered the same thing. I am not sure exactly how this works. > > It does not seem to operate like other lists. > > I would have thought there would be more exchanges regarding the D-70. > > I hope your note will spur some reactions. > > Jacques Has anyone had any problem transmitting System setup information to a PC? Or for that matter, xmitting any bulk dumps from a PC to a D-70? I've been trying to use Steinberg's Studio Module for Cubase 2.6 (Win 3.1x)and I've only been able to send Performance, Patch, Rythm and Tone data TO the PC. Any other types of Sysex communications have been thwarted with "Midi Buffer Full" messages - usually at the receiving end. I haven't been able to find anyway to change the x-mission speed on either the PC or the D-70. :-( Any info or recounts of related experiences would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance and cheers to all. Crispin. From crispin@axionet.com Tue Mar 19 14:56:27 1996 Received: from ea.com (ea.com [159.153.88.2]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA13560 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:52:41 -0800 Received: from chands.eac.ea.com (s10027.eac.ea.com [159.153.100.27]) by ea.com (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id LAA19431; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 11:16:59 -0800 Message-ID: <314F0880.442E@axionet.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 11:18:24 -0800 From: Crispin Hands X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0GoldB1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roland Ivarsson CC: Harri.Laakkonen@otm.fi, d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: Dead list? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Roland Ivarsson wrote: > > >A sound editor for PC would be nice, also. As far as I know, there is none > >that supports D70, or how? > > Unisyn for Windows (universal librarian) has a module for D-70. Got very > good marks in a recent EM review... (I'm satisfied with the Mac version) > > /Roland > > * RIC Audio Studio - Stockholm - Sweden * (roland@wineasy.se) Do you happen to know which EM? Better yet if you could tell me where to get ahold of Unisyn (PC), I'd appreciate it immensely. I'm in Vancouver, Canada. Thanks in advance! Cheers, Crispin. From roland@mail.wineasy.se Tue Mar 19 15:50:08 1996 Received: from mailbox.swip.net (mailbox.swip.net [193.12.122.1]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA13859 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:49:55 -0800 Received: from [193.12.69.35] (ras29.wineasy.se [193.12.69.29]) by mailbox.swip.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA11159; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 00:49:40 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 00:49:40 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Crispin Hands From: roland@mail.wineasy.se (Roland Ivarsson) Subject: Re: Dead list? Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Status: OR Crispin wrote: ... >> Unisyn for Windows (universal librarian) has a module for D-70. Got very >> good marks in a recent EM review... (I'm satisfied with the Mac version) ... >Do you happen to know which EM? March '96 >Better yet if you could tell me where to get ahold of Unisyn (PC), I'd >appreciate it immensely. I'm in Vancouver, Canada. :-) I don't know the Canadian market that well... e-mail info@motu.com for further info, or have a look at www.motu.com. Regards /Roland * RIC Audio Studio - Stockholm - Sweden * (roland@wineasy.se) From wrouck@uspto.gov Tue Mar 19 17:08:50 1996 Received: from mailgate.uspto.gov (root@mailgate.uspto.gov [206.67.238.33]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA14228 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:08:25 -0800 Received: from pioneer.uspto.gov (pioneer.uspto.gov [151.207.128.1]) by mailgate.uspto.gov (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04879; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 19:42:11 -0500 Received: from bill (port23.max1.uspto.gov [206.67.89.38]) by pioneer.uspto.gov (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA07087; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 19:41:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <314F544D.77F1@uspto.gov> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 19:41:49 -0500 From: William Rouck X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Crispin Hands CC: Jacques Therrien , d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov, TOM_HESPOS@yr.com Subject: Re: Dead list? References: <314F0324.4569@axionet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Has anyone had any problem transmitting System setup information to a PC? Or for that > matter, xmitting any bulk dumps from a > PC to a D-70? I've been trying to use Steinberg's Studio Module for Cubase 2.6 (Win > 3.1x)and I've only been able to send > Performance, Patch, Rythm and Tone data TO the PC. Any other types of Sysex > communications have been thwarted with "Midi > Buffer Full" messages - usually at the receiving end. I haven't been able to > find anyway to change the x-mission speed on > either the PC or the D-70. :-( > > Any info or recounts of related experiences would be greatly appreciated! I'd love some advice too... from the Atari ST to the Mac to the PC, over the years I have never been able to get Sysex to work with the D-70! Bill From d93fso@Borlange.DU.SE Wed Mar 20 06:52:16 1996 Received: from du.se (Falun.hfb.se [130.238.194.10]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA16272 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 06:51:11 -0800 Received: from blg.du.se (Borlange [130.238.197.10]) by du.se (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03078 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 15:51:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from tex1.du.se by blg.du.se (5.x/BLG_DU-2.0) id AA13112; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 15:49:48 +0100 Received: by tex1.du.se (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14684; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 15:48:15 +0100 From: d93fso@Borlange.DU.SE (Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93) Message-Id: <9603201448.AA14684@tex1.du.se> Subject: Sysex trouble To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 15:48:13 +0100 (MET) Action: t In-Reply-To: <314F544D.77F1@uspto.gov> from "William Rouck" at Mar 19, 96 07:41:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: OR > > > Has anyone had any problem transmitting System setup information to a PC? Or for that > > matter, xmitting any bulk dumps from a > > PC to a D-70? I've been trying to use Steinberg's Studio Module for Cubase 2.6 (Win > > 3.1x)and I've only been able to send > > Performance, Patch, Rythm and Tone data TO the PC. Any other types of Sysex > > communications have been thwarted with "Midi > > Buffer Full" messages - usually at the receiving end. I haven't been able to > > find anyway to change the x-mission speed on > > either the PC or the D-70. :-( > > > > Any info or recounts of related experiences would be greatly appreciated! > > I'd love some advice too... from the Atari ST to the Mac to the PC, over the years I have > never been able to get Sysex to work with the D-70! > > Bill > From isaacs@[199.170.126.10] Fri Mar 22 20:55:02 1996 Received: from foothills (root@foothills.eznet.com [206.26.32.10]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA01800 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 20:51:36 -0800 Received: from deimos by foothills (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA25539; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 20:50:23 -0800 Message-Id: <9603230450.AA25539@foothills> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Steve Isaacs" To: William Rouck , d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 20:56:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Dead list? Reply-To: ToolsSmith@foothills.eznet.com X-Confirm-Reading-To: ToolsSmith@eznet.com X-Pmrqc: 1 Return-Receipt-To: ToolsSmith@foothills.eznet.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) content-length: 1869 Status: OR > > Has anyone had any problem transmitting System setup information > > to a PC? Or for that matter, xmitting any bulk dumps from a PC to > > a D-70? I've been trying to use Steinberg's Studio Module for > > Cubase 2.6 (Win 3.1x)and I've only been able to send Performance, > > Patch, Rythm and Tone data TO the PC. Any other types of Sysex > > communications have been thwarted with "Midi Buffer Full" messages > > - usually at the receiving end. I haven't been able to find > > anyway to change the x-mission speed on either the PC or the D-70. > > :-( > > > > Any info or recounts of related experiences would be greatly > > appreciated! > > I'd love some advice too... from the Atari ST to the Mac to the PC, > over the years I have never been able to get Sysex to work with the > D-70! > > Bill > I had a problem some time ago with CakeWalk for DOS. Greg Hendershot subsequently added a feature to CakeWalk to correct the problem. This fix has existed in CakeWalk ever since. Basically, the problem is related to how fast the D70 can receive data. I found that a pause is required every 128 bytes or so to allow time for the D70 to do its processing. This pause needed to approach 1/10 second (if my memory serves me correctly). The larger the SysEx the more the D70 needs these pauses between chunks and the smaller the chunks need to be. CakeWalk has a configuration parameter to set the number of bytes to transmit between pauses. For the D70 I had to set it to 128 before I could get a reliable transfer going. I suggest you look for a similar configuration parameter for the sequencer that you are using. The D70 is not the only device that has this speed problem so it is likely that other sequencers will have a similar fix. Steve Steve Isaacs ========================================================== ToolsSmith@eznet.com From pknight%etn-ctl-@elec.ctl.etn.com Thu Mar 28 06:47:39 1996 Received: from firewall.etn.com (firewall.etn.com [151.110.127.15]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA24646 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 06:43:47 -0800 Received: from elec.ctl.etn.com by firewall.etn.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA275084159; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:42:39 -0500 Received: by elec.ctl.etn.com from NetWare MHS, SMF-70 via XGATE 3.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 07:56:00 CST From: PAUL KNIGHT Sender: PAUL KNIGHT To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: D50/550 & D70 Compatibility X-Mailer: XGATE 3.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway Status: OR ****************************************** XGATE EVALUATION TRIAL PERIOD EXPIRED ****************************************** I have a question for all you Roland experts: are the synth engines in the D50/550 and the D70 similar enough that their patches are interchangeable? I got a catalog from Kid Nepro in the mail, and they offer banks which are described as being for the D50/D550/D70, which kinda surprised me. Any ideas? There are a lot of D50/550 patches floating around in netland, but very few for the D70. If the D50 patches can be used, the lazier ones among us (myself included, sometimes!) can pick them up and use them. Any thoughts? Thanks, Paul pknight@elec.ctl.etn.com From roland@mail.wineasy.se Thu Mar 28 08:00:33 1996 Received: from mailbox.swip.net (mailbox.swip.net [193.12.122.1]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA24970 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:00:20 -0800 Received: from [193.12.69.67] (ras67.wineasy.se [193.12.69.67]) by mailbox.swip.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA00495; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:00:16 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:00:16 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov From: roland@mail.wineasy.se (Roland Ivarsson) Subject: Re: D50/550 & D70 Compatibility Cc: PAUL KNIGHT Status: OR PAUL KNIGHT wrote: > ...are the synth engines in > the D50/550 and the D70 similar enough that their patches are > interchangeable? No, unfortunately not. They are totally different. They got only the D-prefix in common. The D70 is actually a beefed-up version of the U20/U220 sample players, and you can use some of the U20/U220 ROM Wave Cards in D70 as well... /Roland * RIC Audio Studio - Stockholm - Sweden * (roland@wineasy.se) From nick@cassiel.com Thu Mar 28 16:44:29 1996 Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA27751 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:43:43 -0800 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id as06077; 29 Mar 96 0:33 GMT Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.55]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa06279; 28 Mar 96 22:08 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:08:35 +0000 To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: D50/550 & D70 Compatibility Status: OR >They got only the >D-prefix in common. The D70 is actually a beefed-up version of the U20/U220 >sample players, This is why the D-70 circuit boards have the legend "U-50" on them. Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL http://www.cassiel.com years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again From pknight%etn-ctl-@elec.ctl.etn.com Tue Apr 9 08:36:01 1996 Received: from firewall.etn.com (firewall.etn.com [151.110.127.15]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA06485 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:29:59 -0700 Received: from elec.ctl.etn.com by firewall.etn.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA088823695; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:28:16 -0400 Received: by elec.ctl.etn.com from NetWare MHS, SMF-70 via XGATE 3.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway Message-Id: <8C0D6A31018BC022@elec.ctl.etn.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 96 10:21:00 CST From: PAUL KNIGHT Sender: PAUL KNIGHT To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: ROM V1.19 X-Mailer: XGATE 3.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway Status: OR ****************************************** XGATE EVALUATION TRIAL PERIOD EXPIRED ****************************************** Text item: Text_1 Hi! I just wanted to let those who didn't know that the D70 is currently up to rev. 1.19 for its OS. I don't know what changes were made from 1.18, however. I attempted to obtain the devices myself from Roland, but they frown upon that (I asked if they were afraid we'd reverse engineer them, and the tech. support guy basically said yes). I found a local repair shop who was willing to get them for me, and then call me when they arrived, so that I wasn't down for 2 weeks. The good thing is that the upgrades are *free*. The part numbers are: 15449228A 15449229A I spoke to a fellow named Ian in Roland's customer service area, at (213) 685-5141, x349. He was very helpful. Hope this helps someone. Paul pknight@elec.ctl.etn.com From sms@magenta.com Wed Apr 10 19:33:16 1996 Received: from magenta.com (magenta.com [198.82.200.60]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA17499 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:30:52 -0700 Received: (sms@localhost) by magenta.com (8.6.12/8.6.4) id WAA28605; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:27:32 -0400 From: SMS/Christian Fowler Message-Id: <199604110227.WAA28605@magenta.com> Subject: Re: ROM V1.19 To: pknight%etn-ctl-@elec.ctl.etn.com (PAUL KNIGHT) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Cc: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov In-Reply-To: <8C0D6A31018BC022@elec.ctl.etn.com> from "PAUL KNIGHT" at Apr 9, 96 10:21:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 570 Status: OR > > Hi! I just wanted to let those who didn't know that the D70 is > currently up to rev. 1.19 for its OS. I don't know what changes were > made from 1.18, however. > As far as I remember, the D70 had 2 logic board versions. The early version only went up to 1.1x and the completely new logic board starts at ROM version 1.1x. Anybody got any more info on this? =-= =-=+=-= Sound Machine Sound - The Music Makers Net Directory =-=%=-= Christian Fowler - sHAPE FACTOR MOMENt =-=+=-= sms@magenta.com http://magenta.com/~sms/ =-= From lmad@omega.lncc.br Tue Apr 16 15:19:13 1996 Received: from omega.lncc.br ([146.134.8.200]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA25058 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 15:16:10 -0700 Received: by omega.lncc.br (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20888; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 19:16:49 -0300 From: lmad@omega.lncc.br (Lucia Maria de Assumpcao Drummond) Message-Id: <9604162216.AA20888@omega.lncc.br> Subject: GM patches map To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 19:16:48 -0300 (GRNLNDST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 233 Status: OR Does someone has General Midi map for D70 patches using Power Tracks? Or is there a way to play GM files using D70? I have RAM card at my D70. Is the RAM card easy to organize as GM patches numbering? Thanks for any answer. Lucia From rportill@reduno.com.mx Tue Apr 16 18:18:50 1996 Received: from reduno.reduno.com.mx (reduno.reduno.com.mx [192.100.183.178]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA28846 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:18:39 -0700 Received: from rportill.reduno.com.mx (106-91.reduno.com.mx) by reduno.reduno.com.mx (4.1/4.7) id AA06870; Tue, 16 Apr 96 20:17:49 CST Message-Id: Priority: Normal To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Ricardo Portillo Subject: Information Date: Tue, 16 Apr 96 20:19:41 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hi: I can't find no information about the d-70 in any website. What's going on, is the d-70 discontinue or something? I would like to contact people who is working with this synth via MIDI, because I have a little trouble doing so. I saw the Roland Corporation Website and i couldn't find any information about the d-70, what is the people from Roland thinking about their customers? Thanks and greetings to everybody out there Ricardo Portillo Spring 96, Mexico City From nick@cassiel.com Thu Apr 18 15:25:07 1996 Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA29138 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 15:21:14 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ad06955; 18 Apr 96 22:23 +0100 Received: from cassiel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.55]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa13079; 18 Apr 96 22:21 +0100 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 22:21:26 +0100 To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov From: Nick Rothwell Subject: Re: Information Status: OR >I can't find no information about the d-70 in any website. There's info on mine (http://www.cassiel.com/gearhead/d70.html). >What's going on, is the d-70 discontinue or something? Oh yes, for, what, five years? Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL http://www.cassiel.com years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again From rportill@reduno.com.mx Mon Apr 22 15:16:08 1996 Received: from reduno.reduno.com.mx (reduno.reduno.com.mx [192.100.183.178]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA08176 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:12:36 -0700 Received: from rportill.reduno.com.mx (106-91.reduno.com.mx) by reduno.reduno.com.mx (4.1/4.7) id AA04440; Mon, 22 Apr 96 17:11:30 CST Message-Id: Priority: Normal To: d70-users@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Ricardo Portillo Subject: Keyboard Magazine Date: Sat, 22 Apr 95 12:33:34 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hi Everybody: My name is Ricardo Portillo, I found out that Keyboard Magazine wrote an article about the D70 in it's august '90 Issue. I would appreciate if somebody has got that article in an electronic format and could send it attach to an e-mail message. thanks and greetings Ricardo Portillo rportill@reduno.com.mx Mexico City From TOM_HESPOS@yr.com Wed Apr 24 06:20:02 1996 Received: from yandr-bh.yr.com ([206.33.89.66]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA23402 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 06:15:49 -0700 From: TOM_HESPOS@yr.com Received: (from uucp@localhost) by yandr-bh.yr.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id JAA27964 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:18:51 -0400 Received: from smtp.yr.com by yandr-bh.yr.com via smap (V1.3) id sma027923; Wed Apr 24 09:18:36 1996 Received: from ccMail by smtp.yr.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 17E295E0; Wed, 24 Apr 96 09:15:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:15:33 -0400 Message-ID: <17E295E0.1451@yr.com> Subject: Need help pricing amp To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Status: OR Hey guys: I know this isn't particularly D-70 related, but I bought a mixing board last week. I plug my D-70 and my other keyboards into it, instead of my Crate K-80. Now, I have no need for this amp. Here's my problem - I've been trying to find some sort of used gear price list on the web so I can figure out how much to ask for this K-80. I can't find one. Can someone point me somewhere? Thanks in advance. -TFH From Paul.Arthur@Eng.Sun.COM Thu May 2 10:38:54 1996 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA13654 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:34:18 -0700 Received: by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id KAA24336; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:34:16 -0700 Received: from boombox.eng.sun.com by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA25283; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:34:13 -0700 Received: by boombox.eng.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA09816; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:34:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 10:34:39 -0700 From: Paul.Arthur@Eng.Sun.COM (Paul Arthur) Message-Id: <199605021734.KAA09816@boombox.eng.sun.com> To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Subject: D70 instructional video for sale X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: OR Subject line says it all. Produced by Roland, it goes through the basics and shows some undocumented tricks. It's less than 60 minutes long, probably closer to 30. VHS format. First $5.00 takes it - this covers shipping in the continental United States. Cash only - no COD's. From arthur.sauer@luna.nl Fri Jun 7 17:09:09 1996 Received: from aladdin.rotterdam.luna.net (root@aladdin.rotterdam.luna.net [194.151.24.4]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA07672 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:06:10 -0700 Received: from [194.151.26.6] (01-pstn.rotterdam.luna.net [194.151.26.6]) by aladdin.rotterdam.luna.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA24237; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 02:01:23 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: arthur.sauer@pop.rotterdam.luna.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 02:13:48 +0100 To: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov From: arthur.sauer@luna.nl (Arthur Sauer) Subject: X-Or and [EX] Cc: d70-users@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov Status: OR Since a short time I own an editor (X-Or) for the D-70. It runs on an Atari. If for instance I change the Number of the tone (or anything else) in the rhythm (Patch) window, the sysex data is sent and the D-70 does respond when I am in edit mode. As soon as I play a note on the keyboard or with the Atari mouse I am not able to change the Number of the tone unless I go back to the user set display (play mode) and back in edit mode. All this is of course very inconvenient and I would like to know if other people have the same experience and if there is a way to edit on the Atari without having to touch the D-70 other than for playing a note. The protect switch on the rear panel is off. I have set the Control Channel to 1 and the Device Number to 1 (both in the 24.system display). I have checked the sysex data, which is sending on channel 1 ($00). The command ID of the sysex message is $12 (which should be ok for a short message). Also the rest of the message was checked and ok. At the bottom of the 24.system display I read [KY][EX]. It makes no difference if [KY] is on or off. I think [EX] means it can send and receive sysex data. Anyway, I don't know how to remove (or change) [EX] (if you know, let me know how and what it does). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arthur Sauer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cyamamot Wed Jun 26 08:20:54 1996 Subject: List will become inactive To: d70-users Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 8:20:54 PDT Cc: cyamamot (Clifford Yamamoto) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] D70 List members, Due to the non-existant traffic on this D70 mailing list, I've decided to shut it down in a couple of weeks unless there's some outstanding reason why it should be kept. I no longer work with this employer and have been fortunate to maintain this D70 mailing list even though my departure has been over a year. The FTP site will remain. Please do not forward any comments to me unless they are in regards to why this list should be maintained. You may also use the mailing-list (what a concept) for open discussion until it terminates. Regards, - Cliff Yamamoto (D70 mailing list admin) From cyamamot Wed Jun 26 08:25:55 1996 Received: (from cyamamot@localhost) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA24878; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:20:55 -0700 From: Cliff Yamamoto Message-Id: <199606261520.IAA24878@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov> Subject: List will become inactive To: d70-users Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 8:20:54 PDT Cc: cyamamot (Clifford Yamamoto) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR D70 List members, Due to the non-existant traffic on this D70 mailing list, I've decided to shut it down in a couple of weeks unless there's some outstanding reason why it should be kept. I no longer work with this employer and have been fortunate to maintain this D70 mailing list even though my departure has been over a year. The FTP site will remain. Please do not forward any comments to me unless they are in regards to why this list should be maintained. You may also use the mailing-list (what a concept) for open discussion until it terminates. Regards, - Cliff Yamamoto (D70 mailing list admin) From kali@onr.com Sun Jul 7 19:14:20 1996 Received: from Sierra.onr.com (sierra.onr.com [199.1.90.2]) by kilroy (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA18125 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:14:15 -0700 Received: from onramp3-1.onr.com (onramp3-1.onr.com [199.1.90.53]) by Sierra.onr.com (8.7.4/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA08322 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:10:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199607080210.VAA08322@Sierra.onr.com> X-Sender: kali@onr.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 21:14:07 -0500 To: cyamamot@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov From: "Mark A. Jacks" Subject: D-70 List Status: OR Cliff, thanks for having taken on the inglorious task of D-70 list sponsor. While history seems to have orphaned the D-70, or at least relegated it to a less-than-memorable corner of the synth universe, I found your list to have been useful. I learned much more than I ever contributed, and appreciate your having made it possible. Best wishes, Mark ******* _/_/_/ Mark A. Jacks _/_/_/ kali@onr.com _/_/_/ _/_/_/ The Heliconia Group _/_/_/ Austin, Texas _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ From lucho@midi.tu-varna.bg Wed Feb 4 07:43:07 1998 Received: from danbo.digsys.bg (root@danbo.digsys.bg [192.92.129.1]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA23521 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from midi.tu-varna.bg (varna65.pip.digsys.bg [193.68.1.65]) by danbo.digsys.bg (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08291 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:42:58 +0200 (EET) Received: by midi.tu-varna.bg (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0y06nH-0002bDC; Wed, 4 Feb 98 17:31 EET Message-Id: From: lucho@mbox.digsys.bg (Luchezar Georgiev) Subject: Thanks To: cyamamot@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:31:19 +0200 (EET) Operating-System: Linux 1.1.72 i486 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Status: OR Dear Clifford, Thank you for your efforts to put together some invaluable info and data about the Roland D-70 synthesizer! The files at /pub/D70 helped me out! I was repairing a D-70 whose memory was scrambled, and by reading file "d70_PowerUp" and using "d70_orig.mid", I was able to restore all memory! I knew there are some special power-up keystrokes, but was never able to find them out... So I looked up in the "archives" file from "comp.music", found your site there (it's also mentioned in an article in issue 10/94 of EM Magazine), went there, and downloaded these files. Without them, I would have to do much trial-and-error, and eventually to find a second unit to transfer the data in "extended product mode". You did save me a lot of time and trouble -- thank you very much! Let me now comment some lines of the "d70_PowerUp" file: << 5 - Extended Product Mode (Bulk Midi Dump/Load). Press F1 to perform a midi dump. The D-70 will begin to dump all internal memory areas which will total up to 69 Kbytes or 70656 bytes of data. This is done at a high rate and is completed in about 24 seconds. I have not tried a Bulk Midi Load (pressing F2) and probably wouldn't unless I really had to. [ 5/6/93 - According to Roland this is actually compressed data of a 128Kbyte dump of memory. I'm not sure I really believe that, but the dump DOES look meaningless - nothing even close to the Sysex dump. It *could* be compressed data, but again very hard to tell. Roland claims you can load this "compressed" dump back into the D-70, but there's not much you could do to analyze what the dump itself means byte for byte - cyamamot@marconi.jpl.nasa.gov ] >> I studied the "d70_orig.mid" file, and noticed that its SysEx events contain just the "nibblized" data from the non-volatile static RAM of the unit, the 20256. There is no compression, neither is it a 128 KB dump. The data size is actually only 32 KB. Let's do some simple calculations: there are two "nibbles" (half-bytes, or tetrades) per byte; hence, the RAM has 2 * 32 = 64 K nibbles in total. The file contains 512 messages of 128 nibbles each, which makes 512 * 128 = 65536, that is, 64 K nibbles! This can be justified by looking at the addresses in the SysEx messages: the lowest address is 00:00:00, whereas the highest one is 03:7F:7F. That makes 2 + 7 + 7 = 16 bits, or 64 K addresses in total. But as each data is only 4 bits long, this is actually 32 KB. (The D-70 actually has two more SRAM chips, but they are 8 KB each, organized as 8 K x 16 bits, and are NOT powered by the 3 V lithium cell, only from the +5 V power rail, which means that their contents are LOST when the power is switched off. They serve merely as the working RAM of the control CPU (80C196), which is in fact a single-chip microcomputer.) << 6 - A/D Value Display. Show current values from various A/D circuits on the board. Some values include the Bender/C1/Brightness and even the Battery. Unfortunately, the values are in hexidecimal, not in representative units, so viewing '7C' for my battery doesn't say much. >> The battery of the unit I serviced gives 78, and it's 7 years old. I suspect a brand new lithium cell will give the biggest possible value 7F. << 8 - Clear All Memory. Confirm by pressing Enter. THIS IS HOW I LOST ALL MY DATA. Performing an Sysex load back into the D-70 did **NOT** cure the problem. It may be necessary to use the Bulk Midi Load on the #5 power-up to completely reload everything. The Clear All Memory appears to erase data that CANNOT be restored with just a Sysex reload. All the LCD text for tones/patches/etc were just garbled dots, as though the font information for the LCD was also wiped out. My guess is the #5 power-up Midi Load also contains font generation info for the LCD display so the D-70 can be used in other countries. >> At first, I thought the same, but finally I realized that I was wrong. After the battery of the unit I serviced was removed, I got a similar condition. But then I was able to enter a name for a performance, and it was remembered and displayed correctly. If the LCD font were in the RAM, then how could some strings be displayed, while others couldn't, although they use the same characters? Also, why "ROM Play" and "PCM Card" modes work and all names are shown correctly? The explanation is simple: the ASCII character set is only 7-bit, whereas the RAM is 8-bit. If bit 7 = 1, then the font table has to be looked up at index >= 128, whereas it has only 128 entries, from 0 to 127. So we end up showing a "character" whose font data are taken beyond the font table, therefore it's not valid. That's why you see "monkeys" (garbled dots). This can be proved by two facts: First, the "jump screens" (the ones you get when you press "User") of "my" D-70 also were all "monkeys", and when I was trying to press F1 through F5, the unit would hang up! That was happening because the "jump" addresses were not valid in the scrambled memory. But when I entered valid "jump screens", they started to look and work normally. Second, I found the LCD font map in the firmware when I read the EPROMs (please see below). << [ 5/6/93 - At worst, you can purchase a "Factory Preset ROM Card" for $40 U.S to restore everything to default after performing this Clear All Memory. - cyamamot@marconi.jpl.nasa.gov ] >> Do you see now why they have included the "Clear All Memory" feature?! This just allows them to sell those ROM cards of theirs!!! :-) :-) :-) << [ 5/8/93 - There are a some people who have SUCESSFULLY used a Sysex load to restore their D-70 after performing "Clear All Memory". These people have firmware Version 1.17 whereas I have 1.10 and this could be a reason why my Sysex load didn't restore my D-70. Again, do this at your own risk - cyamamot@marconi.jpl.nasa.gov ] >> I managed to read the contents of the firmware by using an EPROM burner. It is Version 1.14. I just proved that this version will really do the job, as 1.17. If you or anyone else is interested, I can upload it to your site. With an EPROM burner, your could upgrade the older EPROMs. Also, if anyone has the latest firmware version and can read the EPROMs, I'd appreciate if they send me the firmware data by e-mail or upload it to your site, so that I could upgrade the firmware of my customers. NOTE: If "swapping" firmware data is a violation of the copyright law, then I apologize in advance -- I'm not a lawyer and this matter is very unclear to me... By the way, if you know any newsgroup, mailing list, or just a magazine specializing in electronic music products SERVICE / REPAIR, please let me know, because I do such work in my spare time and would be glad to subscribe. And because a significant part of the gear I repair is made by Roland, I'd appreciate if you know any way to establish contact with people from Roland. This company is one of the most difficult to put through to. I and others have tried their CompuServe mail ID, but without luck... Also, if you're aware of any information regarding the format of the STYLE (.STL) or SONG (.SNG) files used in Roland sequencers / portable keyboards, this will be of much help for me. Finally, let me thank you once again for your help, and if there's anything I can do for you, please don't hesitate to let me know. Best regards from Varna, Bulgaria! -- * Luchezar Iliev Georgiev ______________________________________________ * MIDI developer, post-grad, assist-prof, CS Dept, Tech University Varna * Internet: Tel.|Fax: [0[0359]52]-<882034|303726> * Location: "Chaika", Blck. 68, Entr. G, Apt. 58, Varna - 9005, Bulgaria * PGP key fingerprint = 94 DA 35 A6 7C 74 CA F2 CF CA 8A 30 EC B7 3B F1 ________________________________________________________________________ To be, or not to be - that is the question! ©1601,1602,1603 Shakespeare From lucho@midi.tu-varna.bg Wed Feb 4 07:43:07 1998 Received: from danbo.digsys.bg (root@danbo.digsys.bg [192.92.129.1]) by kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA23521 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from midi.tu-varna.bg (varna65.pip.digsys.bg [193.68.1.65]) by danbo.digsys.bg (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08291 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:42:58 +0200 (EET) Received: by midi.tu-varna.bg (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0y06nH-0002bDC; Wed, 4 Feb 98 17:31 EET Message-Id: From: lucho@mbox.digsys.bg (Luchezar Georgiev) Subject: Thanks To: cyamamot@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:31:19 +0200 (EET) Operating-System: Linux 1.1.72 i486 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Status: OR Dear Clifford, Thank you for your efforts to put together some invaluable info and data about the Roland D-70 synthesizer! The files at /pub/D70 helped me out! I was repairing a D-70 whose memory was scrambled, and by reading file "d70_PowerUp" and using "d70_orig.mid", I was able to restore all memory! I knew there are some special power-up keystrokes, but was never able to find them out... So I looked up in the "archives" file from "comp.music", found your site there (it's also mentioned in an article in issue 10/94 of EM Magazine), went there, and downloaded these files. Without them, I would have to do much trial-and-error, and eventually to find a second unit to transfer the data in "extended product mode". You did save me a lot of time and trouble -- thank you very much! Let me now comment some lines of the "d70_PowerUp" file: << 5 - Extended Product Mode (Bulk Midi Dump/Load). Press F1 to perform a midi dump. The D-70 will begin to dump all internal memory areas which will total up to 69 Kbytes or 70656 bytes of data. This is done at a high rate and is completed in about 24 seconds. I have not tried a Bulk Midi Load (pressing F2) and probably wouldn't unless I really had to. [ 5/6/93 - According to Roland this is actually compressed data of a 128Kbyte dump of memory. I'm not sure I really believe that, but the dump DOES look meaningless - nothing even close to the Sysex dump. It *could* be compressed data, but again very hard to tell. Roland claims you can load this "compressed" dump back into the D-70, but there's not much you could do to analyze what the dump itself means byte for byte - cyamamot@marconi.jpl.nasa.gov ] >> I studied the "d70_orig.mid" file, and noticed that its SysEx events contain just the "nibblized" data from the non-volatile static RAM of the unit, the 20256. There is no compression, neither is it a 128 KB dump. The data size is actually only 32 KB. Let's do some simple calculations: there are two "nibbles" (half-bytes, or tetrades) per byte; hence, the RAM has 2 * 32 = 64 K nibbles in total. The file contains 512 messages of 128 nibbles each, which makes 512 * 128 = 65536, that is, 64 K nibbles! This can be justified by looking at the addresses in the SysEx messages: the lowest address is 00:00:00, whereas the highest one is 03:7F:7F. That makes 2 + 7 + 7 = 16 bits, or 64 K addresses in total. But as each data is only 4 bits long, this is actually 32 KB. (The D-70 actually has two more SRAM chips, but they are 8 KB each, organized as 8 K x 16 bits, and are NOT powered by the 3 V lithium cell, only from the +5 V power rail, which means that their contents are LOST when the power is switched off. They serve merely as the working RAM of the control CPU (80C196), which is in fact a single-chip microcomputer.) << 6 - A/D Value Display. Show current values from various A/D circuits on the board. Some values include the Bender/C1/Brightness and even the Battery. Unfortunately, the values are in hexidecimal, not in representative units, so viewing '7C' for my battery doesn't say much. >> The battery of the unit I serviced gives 78, and it's 7 years old. I suspect a brand new lithium cell will give the biggest possible value 7F. << 8 - Clear All Memory. Confirm by pressing Enter. THIS IS HOW I LOST ALL MY DATA. Performing an Sysex load back into the D-70 did **NOT** cure the problem. It may be necessary to use the Bulk Midi Load on the #5 power-up to completely reload everything. The Clear All Memory appears to erase data that CANNOT be restored with just a Sysex reload. All the LCD text for tones/patches/etc were just garbled dots, as though the font information for the LCD was also wiped out. My guess is the #5 power-up Midi Load also contains font generation info for the LCD display so the D-70 can be used in other countries. >> At first, I thought the same, but finally I realized that I was wrong. After the battery of the unit I serviced was removed, I got a similar condition. But then I was able to enter a name for a performance, and it was remembered and displayed correctly. If the LCD font were in the RAM, then how could some strings be displayed, while others couldn't, although they use the same characters? Also, why "ROM Play" and "PCM Card" modes work and all names are shown correctly? The explanation is simple: the ASCII character set is only 7-bit, whereas the RAM is 8-bit. If bit 7 = 1, then the font table has to be looked up at index >= 128, whereas it has only 128 entries, from 0 to 127. So we end up showing a "character" whose font data are taken beyond the font table, therefore it's not valid. That's why you see "monkeys" (garbled dots). This can be proved by two facts: First, the "jump screens" (the ones you get when you press "User") of "my" D-70 also were all "monkeys", and when I was trying to press F1 through F5, the unit would hang up! That was happening because the "jump" addresses were not valid in the scrambled memory. But when I entered valid "jump screens", they started to look and work normally. Second, I found the LCD font map in the firmware when I read the EPROMs (please see below). << [ 5/6/93 - At worst, you can purchase a "Factory Preset ROM Card" for $40 U.S to restore everything to default after performing this Clear All Memory. - cyamamot@marconi.jpl.nasa.gov ] >> Do you see now why they have included the "Clear All Memory" feature?! This just allows them to sell those ROM cards of theirs!!! :-) :-) :-) << [ 5/8/93 - There are a some people who have SUCESSFULLY used a Sysex load to restore their D-70 after performing "Clear All Memory". These people have firmware Version 1.17 whereas I have 1.10 and this could be a reason why my Sysex load didn't restore my D-70. Again, do this at your own risk - cyamamot@marconi.jpl.nasa.gov ] >> I managed to read the contents of the firmware by using an EPROM burner. It is Version 1.14. I just proved that this version will really do the job, as 1.17. If you or anyone else is interested, I can upload it to your site. With an EPROM burner, your could upgrade the older EPROMs. Also, if anyone has the latest firmware version and can read the EPROMs, I'd appreciate if they send me the firmware data by e-mail or upload it to your site, so that I could upgrade the firmware of my customers. NOTE: If "swapping" firmware data is a violation of the copyright law, then I apologize in advance -- I'm not a lawyer and this matter is very unclear to me... By the way, if you know any newsgroup, mailing list, or just a magazine specializing in electronic music products SERVICE / REPAIR, please let me know, because I do such work in my spare time and would be glad to subscribe. And because a significant part of the gear I repair is made by Roland, I'd appreciate if you know any way to establish contact with people from Roland. This company is one of the most difficult to put through to. I and others have tried their CompuServe mail ID, but without luck... Also, if you're aware of any information regarding the format of the STYLE (.STL) or SONG (.SNG) files used in Roland sequencers / portable keyboards, this will be of much help for me. Finally, let me thank you once again for your help, and if there's anything I can do for you, please don't hesitate to let me know. Best regards from Varna, Bulgaria! -- * Luchezar Iliev Georgiev ______________________________________________ * MIDI developer, post-grad, assist-prof, CS Dept, Tech University Varna * Internet: Tel.|Fax: [0[0359]52]-<882034|303726> * Location: "Chaika", Blck. 68, Entr. G, Apt. 58, Varna - 9005, Bulgaria * PGP key fingerprint = 94 DA 35 A6 7C 74 CA F2 CF CA 8A 30 EC B7 3B F1 ________________________________________________________________________ To be, or not to be - that is the question! ©1601,1602,1603 Shakespeare