From dr-660-owner Tue Feb 7 20:58:16 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA12951; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 20:58:16 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA12939; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 20:58:14 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id UAA23262; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 20:58:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 20:58:16 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: more testing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've got hundreds of people waiting to abuse me. --Bill Murray, "Ghostbusters" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Thu Feb 9 23:59:07 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id XAA01989; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 23:59:07 -0800 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA01980; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 23:58:53 -0800 Received: from gandalf.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@gandalf.cs.tu-berlin.de [141.23.90.25]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA09681 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 05:30:49 +0100 Received: from cent.cs.tu-berlin.de (mho@cent.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.22.20]) by gandalf.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA05711 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 03:47:49 +0100 Received: (mho@localhost) by cent.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.9/8.6.6) id DAA15079 for dr-660@hyperreal.com; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 03:46:32 +0100 Message-Id: <199502100246.DAA15079@cent.cs.tu-berlin.de> Subject: dr-660 sysex experiments To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 03:46:31 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Hopp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi there. b.t.w. has anyone found some power-on keypressing procedures for resets or other things? i've done some experimenting with sysex-ed parameter changes using values out of the 'legal' ranges, inspired by the "going mad" thread. here are the interesting bits, i found: the nuance of a pad can be set to +8 which gives some nice muffled sounds. a higher value sets it back to -7, so this is a 4 bit parameter. my perception is that the nuance is a mixer setting for the ratio of two samples, one has the high frequencies and one the low ones of the instrument. at -7 there it is mostly the high frequency sample, at +7 mostly the low, but still a small amount of the high is left. at +8 however, which cannot be reached from the buttons or the dial, there is only the low frequency sample present. the decay can be set up to +32, instead of the 'normal' +31. nothing drastic, just a bit more. the reverb and chorus send levels for pads can go up to 15, which gives a lot more of the effect than the usual maximum of 9. whereas for 'well behaved' music this is an acceptable limit, i sometimes like to take it to the extremes (e. g. the cr-78 cowbell tuned up with a strong static chorus) - now even more of that, cool. the effect levels for the whole drumkit can also be set up to 15, but here, values over 9 result in a weaker effect. for other parameters i only found funny things in the display (the pan value at "poly", for example), but nothing audible. i performed my experiments with a dirty hack in c on my atari, dynamically changing the source code in the progress, so don't ask me for that. you should be able to do this with a clever sequencer or patch editor program that can generate roland checksums. maybe, some day i'll write a usable program if i find no better way. if you want to do it the low level hackers way yourself, you'll find the format of the sysex messages (data set1) in the manual. providing the correct checksum is a bit tricky for without it, the dr-660 won't accept the data. this checksum can be computed like this (c notation): checksum = (0x80-(sum_of_all_adress_and_data_bytes)) & 0x7f; thats it from me, maybe there's even more hidden inside our nice little black box? more creative misusing! michael -- mho@cs.tu-berlin.de - listening to the music the machines make - - I let my heart break - I felt the floor change - - just for a moment - into an ocean - From dr-660-owner Tue Feb 14 08:46:34 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA24405; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:46:34 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA24396; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:46:32 -0800 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu ([140.144.202.50]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ju) with SMTP id IAA08237 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:34:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199502141634.IAA08237@june.cs.washington.edu> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3619; Tue, 14 Feb 95 08:33:26 PST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 08:31:16 PST From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: effects... To: DR-660@cs.washington.edu Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just a simple question : How do you attach specific effects to one paticular drum pad? I've figured out how to do things like decay and nucance to them and have it be saved, but I haven't been as lucky with adding Chorus or Flanger (or Delay) effects to specific sounds without having them being added to all the sounds... From dr-660-owner Tue Feb 14 10:01:19 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA29021; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:01:19 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA29011; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:01:17 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id KAA10863; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:01:21 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:01:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: effects... In-Reply-To: <199502141634.IAA08237@june.cs.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Just a simple question : How do you attach specific effects to one paticular > drum pad? I've figured out how to do things like decay and nucance to them > and have it be saved, but I haven't been as lucky with adding Chorus or > Flanger (or Delay) effects to specific sounds without having them being added > to all the sounds... push the reverb or the chorus button at the top of the machine, below the data wheel. at this point, changing the value (0-9) changes the effect (e.g. reverb) for the whole kit. if you hit a pad, you can then edit the amount for that pad. to change what the effects are, hit the effect button towards the left, under the display. you can then scroll through the effects parameters (for chorus and reverb) and adjust them. note that effects settings apply to an entire drum kit (and are saved with the drum kit). so if you want, say, a really strange chorus effect on one sound only, you have to turn down chorus on everything else. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To lead the subject thinking about the information of they needs, the process work like this. First, the investigator will fax the picture into the C.P.U. and translate it into electromagnetic waves, and send to the subject's brain. After the subject receive this picture in his dream (or thinking), he will react to it in his dream(or thinking). How the subject reacts in the dream (or thinking process) are just what the detectors need to know. This way, the subject's personalities or other histories will be totally known and handle to use by the investigator. -- Alan Yu (caesar@chopin.udel.edu), on the THOUGHTS DETECTING MACHINE, as used by the CIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Tue Feb 14 16:48:05 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA26227; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 16:48:05 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26214; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 16:48:02 -0800 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu ([140.144.202.50]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ju) with SMTP id QAA27598 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 16:48:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199502150048.QAA27598@june.cs.washington.edu> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7134; Tue, 14 Feb 95 16:47:09 PST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 16:45:43 PST From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: "dirty epic" To: DR-660@cs.washington.edu Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The sound I'm trying to come up with at the moment is that snare-slap-frog hitting-the-wall-whatever sound that Underworld use in "Dirty Epic". So far, no luck... From dr-660-owner Tue Feb 14 17:01:02 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id RAA27162; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:01:02 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA27152; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:00:59 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id RAA11921; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:01:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:01:05 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: "dirty epic" In-Reply-To: <199502150048.QAA27598@june.cs.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > The sound I'm trying to come up with at the moment is that snare-slap-frog > hitting-the-wall-whatever sound that Underworld use in "Dirty Epic". So > far, no luck... sorry, i dont know the sound. ;) i did get some great results last night running the 660 through my boss preamp/parametric EQ and overdriving it heavily.. the drum kits i've been using have something like a nice hard 909 kick, a tight snare, and then an 808 kick with the decay at at least 20 :) .. what happens is that when i hit the 808 kick it makes this wonderful distorted rumble, and everything that comes out on top of it (snare, high hats) is also messed up.. then as the kick fades, the high end comes back to normal. meanwhile, the short hard kick just makes punchy little low distorted rumbles. i tell you, it's quite fun. :) m PS -- remember, the address of DR-660 is now dr-660@hyperreal.com (the old address still works, but the hyperreal address is now where things really are..) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nature is made possible by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting." -- PBS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 15 06:45:45 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA00304; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:45:45 -0800 Received: from psb.sbu.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA00289; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:45:32 -0800 From: comms@vax.sbu.ac.uk Received: from HYDRA (BIG::SYSTEM) by PSB (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP (DECnet); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:44:38 BST Received: by vax.sbu.ac.uk (MX V4.1 VAX) with SITE; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:44:12 BST Received: by vax.sbu.ac.uk (MX V4.1 VAX) id 187; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:43:24 BST Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:43:23 BST Originally-From: To: DR-660@hyperreal.com CC: comms@vax.sbu.ac.uk Message-ID: <0098C06A.F31F4980.187@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Subject: DR660 UK Prices Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've been lurking on this list for a few weeks, read the FAQ, looked thru the archives and surfed WWW pages like Analog Heaven. From what I can understand the DR660 looks like a reasonable drum machine for a beginner. However comparing the prices in the US of 330 to 345 dollars to the best quote in the UK of 339 pounds concerns me. Can any UK based owner private email me on their experiences on places to purchase from? Thanks Stephen From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 15 10:12:55 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA13039; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:12:55 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA13029; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:12:53 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id KAA13989; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:12:53 -0800 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:12:52 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk aaron.. this got bounced to me because you sent it from a different address than you're subscribed from.. however, everybody, i fixed it so that majordomo doesnt care about that.. anyway, so i'm just forwarding this to the list for aaron. m ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Aaron Harris To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Just a Word Dear Readers, I know this is officially a "660" list only, but, I have searched high and low for a Roland Dr. Rhythm DR-5. If anyone, yes, ANYONE who reads this knows anything about it, please let me know. I know what the DR-5 is, but I am just curious to the authenticity of it's bass/guitar/synth/etc. sounds in it, and if it is worth buying one to use as is or just as another module. Also, if anyone is wanting to sell one, I promise you I'm willing to pay some fat snaps if the offer is sweet enough. Oh well, thanks for your time if you respond... Razorguts PS- for some finalized demo samples or entire demos of various songs using the 660 at it's best, ftp to hyperreal.com /incoming/sounds/razorguts You'll be very impressed... I recommend hearing "Hollow Virginity" first... ************************ Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ************************ | Specialize in guitar, arranging, and producing. Intense rock/metal/trance | | Main Equipment: Ibanez RG570, Fender Pro185, DigiTech RP-1, Roland Dr660, | | Yahama MT120s, Yamaha DX100, Lincoln Bass, and more...... | ********** For Demos: FTP Hyperreal.Com /incoming/sounds/razorguts ********** From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 15 11:45:42 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA20545; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 11:45:42 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA20538; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 11:45:39 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id LAA14200; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 11:45:39 -0800 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 11:45:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: ... dr66o going mad :) In-Reply-To: <9502072045.AA05222@hkkk.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I've gotten the dr66o beyond its regular limits by sending > sysex into it (while midi thru is on), probably too fast or > something, causing the 66o to make sick (read:great) drumkits > with sound with the "nuance" setting as high as 11 or something... > (can't remember, but it was *high*).all the other setting had > gone waaay byond their normal limits :)... this caused the sounds > to boost the bass etc. so that I can now get weird sounds out > of my electro-box... if you could upload a sysex file of some of this, i'd love to try it out. i doubt i'll have a chance to get into the sysex at all deeply in the near future, but if i can just play around with some dumps, that would be great.. :) m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Don't you know me yet? Yes, I am cruel -- since you take so much delight in that word -- and am I not entitled to be so? Man is the one who desires, woman the one who is desired. This is woman's entire but decisive advantage. Through man's passion, nature has given man into woman's hands, and the woman who does not know how to make him her subject, her slave, her toy, and how to betray him with a smile in the end is not wise." -- from "Venus in Furs" by Leopold von Sacher-Masoch ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Sun Feb 19 15:13:02 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA21040; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 15:13:02 -0800 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA21030; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 15:12:59 -0800 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA01918; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 18:12:59 +0500 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 18:12:58 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: DR660 Manual.. (again...) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1101 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Readers, I am sure that you might have seen my post something about my not having a manual. If not, well, I don't have a manual for my 660, bc I bought it used for a killer price. BUT, my recording comrade/very good friend recently bought a Juno106 (a highly sought-after analog keyboard in the underground world of techno), and he has been photocopying the manuals and selling them over the net. So, he gave me this idea: If anyone is actually willing to photocopy their Dr660 Manual I will pay for it (shipping including). All pages preferably, and decent copies too. Thanks to anyone that will respond, for I am in urgent need of the manual. I'll pay 10 dollars and shipping.... thanks! ************************ Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ************************ | Specialize in guitar, arranging, and producing. Intense rock/metal/trance | | Main Equipment: Ibanez RG570, Fender Pro185, DigiTech RP-1, Roland Dr660, | | Yahama MT120s, Yamaha DX100, Lincoln Bass, and more...... | ********** For Demos: FTP Hyperreal.Com /incoming/sounds/razorguts ********** From dr-660-owner Sun Feb 19 15:46:27 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA22322; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 15:46:27 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA22317; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 15:46:25 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ju) id PAA02659; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 15:46:27 -0800 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 15:46:26 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: DR660 Manual.. (again...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk it's not a short manual and copying it would be neither cheap nor easy. if you call roland, i'm sure they'll send you one at a reasonable price. roland: 213-685-5141 m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO MAKE LOVE ENDURE "Be a good kisser. It might make your wife forget that you never take out the trash." Dave, age 8 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Tue Feb 21 07:04:04 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA07121; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 07:04:04 -0800 Received: from mxrelay.gmd.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA07040; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 07:02:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199502211502.HAA07040@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from vm.gmd.de by mxrelay.gmd.de (SF for OpenVMS v1.0-alpha) with SMTP id B5133E86 ; Tue, 21 Feb 95 16:00:26 +0100 Received: from VM.GMD.DE by vm.gmd.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2489; Tue, 21 Feb 95 15:55:24 +0100 Received: from VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE (NJE origin MAILER@ESOC) by VM.GMD.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8955; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 15:55:03 +0100 Received: from ESOC (NJE origin SCHAMBER@ESOC) by VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4683; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 15:57:19 +0100 Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Tue, 21 Feb 95 15:57:12 EWT From: Simon Chambers Subject: tweaking... To: Sender: dr-660-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk has anybody out there made any of the following sounds on a 660?: - harsh metallic snares, hi-hats etc - 'white noise' sounds to mix with other samples thanks for any replies. /s/ Q - when two people who know everything meet, what do they talk about? End of Message From dr-660-owner Tue Feb 21 08:45:16 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA12434; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 08:45:16 -0800 Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA12428; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 08:45:14 -0800 Received: by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu id AA29984 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for DR-660@HYPERREAL.COM); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:45:11 -0600 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:45:10 -0600 (CST) From: theres more To: Simon Chambers Cc: DR-660@HYPERREAL.COM Subject: Re: tweaking... In-Reply-To: <199502211502.HAA07040@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Feb 1995, Simon Chambers wrote: > > has anybody out there made any of the following sounds on a 660?: > > - harsh metallic snares, hi-hats etc you can get a rather harsh hi hat i think by tuning the fxnoise way down and using it as your hi hat...try some chours effects to get a metallix tint to any snares, etc., just mess with the adjustments, another easy way is to just run some sounds on an ind out and distort them.... > - 'white noise' sounds to mix with other samples > > thanks for any replies. > > /s/ > > Q - when two people who know everything meet, what do they talk about? > > End of Message > From dr-660-owner Tue Feb 21 10:09:22 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA17467; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:09:22 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA17461; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:09:20 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id KAA27625; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:09:20 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:09:20 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: tweaking... In-Reply-To: <199502211502.HAA07040@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > has anybody out there made any of the following sounds on a 660?: > > - harsh metallic snares, hi-hats etc take a regular hat and put flange on it, with the depth and rate set to 0. you can change the apparent pitch of the metallic noise by altering the delay. > - 'white noise' sounds to mix with other samples i once tried using some noise (i forget what.. snare ambience maybe) to simulate old cheezy analogue hi hats, without much success. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Math is tough" -- Barbie ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 22 07:02:17 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA06719; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:02:17 -0800 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA06711; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:02:14 -0800 Message-Id: <199502221502.HAA06711@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5647; Wed, 22 Feb 95 07:01:22 PST Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 07:00:04 PST From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: Pattern Full! To: DR-660@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: dr-660-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Is there anyway to offset the "Pattern Full!" situation? I've only recorded on some 40 patterns, and it's giving me this. It's like, oh well thanks for 255 when I can't write more than 40. Is there anyway to delete some of the preset patterns to accomidate as well? Thanks From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 22 08:20:38 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA10876; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:20:38 -0800 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA10868; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:20:32 -0800 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA25945; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:20:27 +0500 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:20:25 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris To: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Pattern Full! In-Reply-To: <199502221502.HAA06711@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1601 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Feb 1995, Scott wrote: > Is there anyway to offset the "Pattern Full!" situation? I've only recorded > on some 40 patterns, and it's giving me this. It's like, oh well thanks for > 255 when I can't write more than 40. > > Is there anyway to delete some of the preset patterns to accomidate as well? > > Thanks > I have to agree with him... the DR-660 has hardly NO memory at all... and the only other options it seems is to get a sound canvas or something to store kits, patterns, etc. on... Scott- the only thing I can tell you is to make sure that ALL the other patterns you are not programming on are or have been deleted. Like, let's say you have an old song in there or some old patterns you won't use anymore... well, just delete them.. and also any old kits you can do without, just initialize them as well. And, you must be doing some complicated drum patterns to have run out of memory already... that's like me- I never use drum loops bc they get old, so I make every pattern different to build up tension, but, like you said, it sux we cant program shit without it saying "Pattern Full"... Roland has supremely fucked us by that factory mistake.. as in NO RAM. :) ************************ Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ************************ | Specialize in guitar, arranging, and producing. Intense rock/metal/trance | | Main Equipment: Ibanez RG570, Fender Pro185, DigiTech RP-1, Roland Dr660, | | Yahama MT120s, Yamaha DX100, Lincoln Bass, and more...... | ********** For Demos: FTP Hyperreal.Com /incoming/sounds/razorguts ********** From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 22 12:28:04 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA26587; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:28:04 -0800 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA26579; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:28:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199502222028.MAA26579@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6534; Wed, 22 Feb 95 12:27:00 PST Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 12:22:02 PST From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: Pattern Full! To: DR-660@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: dr-660-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Actually, most of the patterns I've been coming up with have been mainly to (ducks flying fruit) serve as a drum pattern until my band can secure a drummer. Nobody in the group loves dance music like I do, unfortunately... So, naturally I'm suprised that what I'm doing would fill up the machine so fast. Still, I must ask, is there anyway to get rid of the preset patterns? I figured it originally came up because I created this song with A TON of stuff going through (detuned 808 cowbells to create a synth line)...And then that message popped up. So, I deleted the song, and still now two simple songs later, I've got that problem.... Still, I'm very happy with the machine though...don't get me wrong. From dr-660-owner Thu Feb 23 12:31:18 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA11526; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:31:18 -0800 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA11515; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:31:13 -0800 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA24580; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:31:06 +0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:31:05 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Time Changes with 660 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1075 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Readers, I need HELP. Ok, so I have the 660 and know how to program it rather well, but, one thing erks me still... is there ANY way to program real time tempo changes?? Like, if I havea pattern that is 120bpm, and then I want the next pattern to start at 150bpm, can't I program the tempo in the pattern itself? So when in song mode, the tempo change comes automatically? PLEASE help me, bc I have a gig coming up in Atlanta and there are tempo changes, and I dont want to be spinning this rave and fuck the show by having the 660 get out of synch with the sequencer.. anyway, that's another story... if you can help me, I really do appreciate it... thanks a million! ************************ Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ************************ | Specialize in guitar, arranging, and producing. Intense rock/metal/trance | | Main Equipment: Ibanez RG570, Fender Pro185, DigiTech RP-1, Roland Dr660, | | Yahama MT120s, Yamaha DX100, Lincoln Bass, and more...... | ********** For Demos: FTP Hyperreal.Com /incoming/sounds/razorguts ********** From dr-660-owner Thu Feb 23 12:52:36 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA13261; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:52:36 -0800 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA13252; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:52:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199502232052.MAA13252@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2299; Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:51:34 PST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:49:41 PST From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: DR-7 To: DR-660@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: dr-660-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Anyone know anything about this recent release from Boss? I haven't actually screwed around with one yet, but they certainly appear to a lot different than your usual drum machine. This shop is selling a Roland TR 505 for like $40...nobody seems to like it, but it sure sounds like a fantastic deal. From dr-660-owner Thu Feb 23 13:36:28 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA16210; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:36:28 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA16204; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:36:26 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id NAA05438; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:36:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:36:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: Time Changes with 660 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I need HELP. Ok, so I have the 660 and know how to program it > rather well, but, one thing erks me still... is there ANY way to program > real time tempo changes?? Like, if I havea pattern that is 120bpm, and as far as i know, tempos are only stored with songs. perhaps if you chain from one song to another you'll get changes? or maybe not. > rave and fuck the show by having the 660 get out of synch with the > sequencer.. anyway, that's another story... if you can help me, I really well wait a second. if you have a sequencer doing tempo changes or whatever, why dont you just slave the 660 to the sequencer? m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "When you're conceived, you get a choice -- you either get a clue, or a penis." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Thu Feb 23 14:08:55 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA18658; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:08:55 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA18649; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:08:49 -0800 Received: (from jsd@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA11774 for DR-660@hyperreal.com; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:07:27 -0800 From: Jon Drukman Message-Id: <199502232207.OAA11774@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Re: DR-7 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:07:26 -0800 (PST) Cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502232052.MAA13252@taz.hyperreal.com> from "Scott" at Feb 23, 95 12:49:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 375 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Scott writes: > This shop is selling a Roland TR 505 for like $40...nobody seems to like it, > but it sure sounds like a fantastic deal. It's not - it's a shitty sounding, inflexible, non-configurable machine that was cheap for its day and is totally worthless in this modern era. Really, why bother? Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://cyborganic.com/~jsd From dr-660-owner Thu Feb 23 21:20:06 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id VAA14128; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 21:20:06 -0800 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA14120; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 21:20:03 -0800 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA15035; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 00:19:50 +0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 00:19:48 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris To: Jon Drukman Cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: DR-7 In-Reply-To: <199502232207.OAA11774@ramona.cyborganic.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1144 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > It's not - it's a shitty sounding, inflexible, non-configurable > machine that was cheap for its day and is totally worthless in this > modern era. Really, why bother? > > Name: Jon > Email: jsd@cyborganic.com > Web: http://cyborganic.com/~jsd > Jon- man, you are fucked... I used a TR-505 for about 3 years after I bought one used for about 175 bux... sure, the sounds are few and limited, but it has many of the same programming features that newer drum machines have today.. step programming, real time programming, etc... and, for it's day, having MIDI in/out was a nice addition to have... so, don't diss on the 505, for I hitnk it was a fabulous machine, and still is.. I am seriously considering buying another one... peaceout... ************************ Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ************************ | Specialize in guitar, arranging, and producing. Intense rock/metal/trance | | Main Equipment: Ibanez RG570, Fender Pro185, DigiTech RP-1, Roland Dr660, | | Yahama MT120s, Yamaha DX100, Lincoln Bass, and more...... | ********** For Demos: FTP Hyperreal.Com /incoming/sounds/razorguts ********** From dr-660-owner Fri Feb 24 14:00:58 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA01699; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:00:58 -0800 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA01683; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:00:55 -0800 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA17873; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 17:00:55 +0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 17:00:55 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Help... again Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 828 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Readers, Thanks for all the replies in my question about real time tempo changes... and, reading through them quite quickly, I didnt save them... but as i recall, someone told me that the individual songs can be recorded in different tempos. I sat down today to try it, and it didnt work,.. maybe Im doing something wrong, but could whoever wrote that write me back and tell me how to do it? Thank you so much... :) *high five* ************************ Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ************************ | Specialize in guitar, arranging, and producing. Intense rock/metal/trance | | Main Equipment: Ibanez RG570, Fender Pro185, DigiTech RP-1, Roland Dr660, | | Yahama MT120s, Yamaha DX100, Lincoln Bass, and more...... | ********** For Demos: FTP Hyperreal.Com /incoming/sounds/razorguts ********** From dr-660-owner Fri Feb 24 22:07:21 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA26908; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 22:07:21 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA26903; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 22:07:18 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ju) id WAA22595; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 22:07:17 -0800 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 22:07:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: setting song tempo Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk for aaron and others who want to know: go into song mode (press song/ptn) pick the song you want press REC use the left/right keys to step through the params and the value controls to change the values one of these is tempo.. you can set it to a value or to off another is chain.. you can set the next song to be played (also you can set whether or not patterns will be played with their assigned drumkits, or if the entire song will be in a single kit) if tempo is set to a value, the song will play at that tempo. i dont know if, when using chain, the chained songs will each play at their own tempos.try it and see. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Tue Mar 7 12:33:37 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA08909; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:33:37 -0800 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA08904; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:33:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199503072033.MAA08904@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8169; Tue, 07 Mar 95 12:32:37 PST Date: Tue, 07 Mar 95 12:31:37 PST From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: Sysex Dumps... To: DR-660@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: dr-660-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Heh, for the novice here...how exactly do you get these to work? I'm assuming you need something like Cakewalk or Cubase right? Well, what then? I'm having serious problem.... From dr-660-owner Wed Mar 8 12:06:42 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA29864; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:06:42 -0800 Received: from er7.rutgers.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA29857; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:06:39 -0800 Received: (from jaslin@localhost) by er7.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.6) id PAA14331 for DR-660@hyperreal.com; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:06:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:06:29 EST From: Jasper Lin To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: neato patterns Message-ID: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello -- just thought I'd add to the deluge of messages on the list (; I just purchased a 660 and haven't had much time to fool around with it but it seems like a lot of fun. I didn't even really look into other machines so I hope I bought the best in its class. Does anyone know of a site that archives rhythm patterns that I can dump to the 660? I should probably finish rtfm before I post. Oh well, at least I can use this as a formal introduction of myself to the list. Hi people. Jasper From dr-660-owner Wed Mar 8 15:49:49 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA16993; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:49:49 -0800 Received: from mail.lancs.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA16974; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:49:40 -0800 Received: from cent1.lancs.ac.uk by mail.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 23:35:45 +0000 From: Mr P Iliopoulos Message-Id: <13230.9503082335@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> Received: by cent1.lancs.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Mar 95 23:35:41 GMT Subject: Sysex dumps?HELP!!! To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 23:35:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 0 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 9 08:36:50 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA07612; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 08:36:50 -0800 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA07606; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 08:36:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199503091636.IAA07606@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0997; Thu, 09 Mar 95 08:36:48 PST Date: Thu, 09 Mar 95 08:35:15 PST From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: Flange... To: DR-660@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: dr-660-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk I came up with some really cool sounds today by plugging the Dr-660 through a normal Boss gutiar Highband Flanger pedal. Gave it a much WARMER flange than the one that the drum machine effects things with... Also tried out a digital delay, but that didn't work as well... From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 9 09:02:36 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA09418; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:02:36 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA09411; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:02:33 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id JAA14697; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:02:32 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:02:32 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: neato patterns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I just purchased a 660 and haven't had much time to fool around with it but > it seems like a lot of fun. I didn't even really look into other machines so > I hope I bought the best in its class. well.. depends what you intend to do with it, but i think it's a pretty good choice.. > Does anyone know of a site that archives rhythm patterns that I can dump to > the 660? I should probably finish rtfm before I post. Oh well, at least I > can use this as a formal introduction of myself to the list. umm.. you should have gotten a welcome message that mentioned the archive site.. ftp://hyperreal.com/machines/DR-660/ or on the web: http://www.hyperreal.com/machines/DR-660/ not that there's much there. certainly no patterns. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Fear, anguish and despair are with us daily. Yet in our darkest hours, we have three things that help sustain us: Our faith in the God Almighty; The love and support of our families; The knowledge that on this earth there are still men like Ollie North...." -- R Owen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 9 09:24:27 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA10857; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:24:27 -0800 Received: from firewall.island.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA10848; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:24:24 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by firewall.island.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA01592 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:27:04 -0800 Received: from island.island.com(199.4.85.1) by firewall via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma001586; Thu Mar 9 09:26:05 1995 Received: from [199.4.88.30] (kinmac) by island.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01621; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:23:22 +0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:23:20 +0800 Message-Id: <9503091723.AA01621@island.com> X-Sender: kin@greenland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: DR-660@hyperreal.com From: kin@island.com (Joaquin Blas) Subject: SYSEX Dumps content-length: 537 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I downloaded some SYSEX files from the dr660 ftp site a while ago, I think they were from Mike. I still can't get my dr660 to accept the SYSEX. Yes my "Receive System Exclusive" option is set to on. Is there something else I have to do? I believe I also fiddled with my MIDI channel setting, with no luck. I thought I remember somebody saying last month that we have to have some transmit setting on in order to receive SYSEX. I don't remember seeing any transmit option except the bulk dump stuff. --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 9 10:12:59 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id KAA14338; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:12:59 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA14331; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:12:57 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id KAA14850; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:12:56 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:12:56 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: SYSEX Dumps In-Reply-To: <9503091723.AA01621@island.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I downloaded some SYSEX files from the dr660 ftp site > a while ago, I think they were from Mike. I still can't > get my dr660 to accept the SYSEX. Yes my "Receive System > Exclusive" option is set to on. Is there something else > I have to do? I believe I also fiddled with my MIDI channel > setting, with no luck. well, for a while it wasnt clear if there was something wrong with my sysex files, but then i remember someone saying they had loaded them successfully (right?). hmm.. does anyone know offhand if the 660 has to be set to the same midi channel that it was on when the dumps were sent? doh. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Rhythm Pattern cleared will go out of the memory, consequently be released from the Chain Patterns. -- from the TR-909 manual ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 9 13:38:05 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA00683; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:38:05 -0800 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA00665; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:38:00 -0800 Via: uk.ac.leeds.gps1; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:08:44 +0000 Received: from tasc-mailer.leeds.ac.uk by leeds.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Mar 95 19:08:37 GMT Received: From TASC/WORKQUEUE by tasc-mailer.leeds.ac.uk via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.950309190255.448; 09 Mar 95 18:54:21 +000 Message-Id: To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: Stu Date: 9 Mar 95 19:02:54 GMT Subject: Program Change (MMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmatasons) Reply-To: wonnacott@tasc.novell.leeds.ac.uk Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R4). Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello Boss Mates, I have only just bought the DR 660, so excuse me if this question is easypeasy: I use Cubase for windows v1.00, with a BOSS (Obviously), SR16, Vintage keys and Akai S950, last night I connected my BOSS to the existing midi network, and played around for awhile trying to set drum kits and then trying to select them using midi program change (which is set to on, on the Boss), the problem is it changes the Rom presets o.k. but when it comes to the user presets it seems to fuck up, I think it started changing them at around Program Change No^ 66 or somthing. This is not a major problem, but its annoying, any answers, come on don't be shy boys (and Ladies), Thanks, Bye..... .STU. +-----------------------------------+ | WONNACOTT@TASC.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK | +-----------------------------------+ From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 9 15:01:45 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA07523; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:01:45 -0800 Received: from firewall.island.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA07517; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:01:43 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by firewall.island.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA03064 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:04:25 -0800 Received: from island.island.com(199.4.85.1) by firewall via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma003036; Thu Mar 9 15:03:31 1995 Received: from [199.4.88.30] (kinmac) by island.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA04124; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:00:47 +0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:00:46 +0800 Message-Id: <9503092300.AA04124@island.com> X-Sender: kin@greenland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: kin@island.com (Joaquin Blas) Subject: Re: Program Change (MMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmatasons) content-length: 1108 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes, I also find this annoying. There is a table at the back of the manual that shows what program change to use for each set. I'm not sure why they implemented it that way. --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com >Hello Boss Mates, > >I have only just bought the DR 660, so excuse me if this question is >easypeasy: > >I use Cubase for windows v1.00, with a BOSS (Obviously), SR16, Vintage >keys and Akai S950, last night I connected my BOSS to the existing >midi network, and played around for awhile trying to set drum kits and >then trying to select them using midi program change (which is set to >on, on the Boss), the problem is it changes the Rom presets o.k. but >when it comes to the user presets it seems to fuck up, I think it >started changing them at around Program Change No^ 66 or somthing. >This is not a major problem, but its annoying, any answers, come on >don't be shy boys (and Ladies), > >Thanks, Bye..... > > > > > > .STU. > +-----------------------------------+ > | WONNACOTT@TASC.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK | > +-----------------------------------+ From dr-660-owner Fri Mar 10 02:07:46 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id CAA17268; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 02:07:46 -0800 Received: from vm.gmd.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id CAA17256; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 02:06:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199503101006.CAA17256@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from VM.GMD.DE by vm.gmd.de (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1381; Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:46:17 +0100 Received: from VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE (NJE origin MAILER@ESOC) by VM.GMD.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9661; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:46:17 +0100 Received: from ESOC (NJE origin SCHAMBER@ESOC) by VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0791; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:48:42 +0100 Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 10:48:39 EWT From: Simon Chambers Subject: Re: SYSEX Dumps To: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > I downloaded some SYSEX files from the dr660 ftp site > > a while ago, I think they were from Mike. I still can't > > get my dr660 to accept the SYSEX. Yes my "Receive System > > Exclusive" option is set to on. Is there something else > > I have to do? I believe I also fiddled with my MIDI channel > > setting, with no luck. > > well, for a while it wasnt clear if there was something wrong with my > sysex files, but then i remember someone saying they had loaded them > successfully (right?). That's right. I loaded mike's dub+hypno kits in my 660. I used a korgX3 workstation to read the files off a disk and send them into the 660's midi port. However| i had to convert the 2 sysex files into a format that could be read by the workstation. (This program was written by someone on the x3 list by-the-way). Anyway, this is how you set up the 660: 1) set receive sysex to on (in the midi menu i think) 2) set the midi channel to 10 ( " ) 3) set the 660 in bulk DUMP mode, option set to 1 drumkit 4) send the data TO the 660. "receiving sysex" appears in the display 5) the new kit will take the place of the kit that was previously selected for bulk dump( see 3 above) hope this helps s End of Message From dr-660-owner Fri Mar 10 16:37:35 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id QAA15762; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:37:35 -0800 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA15757; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:37:33 -0800 Received: from ivy-b1.aip.realtime.net (ivy-b1.aip.realtime.net [204.96.1.74]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id SAA15393 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 18:37:32 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 18:37:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199503110037.SAA15393@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: squishy@bga.com (Squishy) Subject: 660 Problems Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hiya, Lately my 660 has been doing some weird things, i'm wondering if anyone has had this problem. I'm running the 660 as a module using Cakewalk as the sequencer. I just started a new song, with each new song I program a new kit. On this kit I decided I would use massive amounts of the internal effects (flange and delay) just to see how strange I could make it sound. The problem begins when I start and stop the song a few times. The kit becomes very distorted and weird sounds get added to the existing kit. The only way I could get it back to normal would be to turn the unit off and turn it back on. After disconnecting everything except the 660 from the computer, I decided that the 660 was the problem. I called up the place I bought it and they gave me a loaner to see if it was indeed that 660. Before I took mine down there, I did a sysex dump so that I could have the exact information that the other had. When I got the loaner home, I hooked it up and didn't have any problem with it. I then dumped the sysex to it and the problem happened almost instantly. Up until this past month, i've had two 660s. I have never had any problems until now. Since it has happened with mine and the loaner, I can only think that there a problem with the effects. Anyone have any ideas to what is causing this problem? Thanks. Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Mon Mar 13 16:01:54 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id QAA20222; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:01:54 -0800 Received: from mail.lancs.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA20213; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:01:50 -0800 Received: from cent1.lancs.ac.uk by mail.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 00:01:31 +0000 From: Mr P Iliopoulos Message-Id: <12646.9503140001@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> Received: by cent1.lancs.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 95 00:01:30 GMT Subject: sysex dumps?HELP!!v.2 To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 00:01:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1590 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello all ! My name's Pan and i got my DR-660 just a few weeks ago. Was i glad to find a page for it on the net!(Apologies for the empty message.My server is a bit fucked up). I've been having good fun with this cool instrument but the tempo/data wheel is giving me problems . It only seems to work properly when the machine's warmed up well...Weird...Fotunately i'm covered by a 12 month guarantee so i,m gonnna take it back for replacement/repair.The catch is that i've already made loads of patterns that i really want to keep, so i've been trying to dump them on disk from my friend's PC with no success at all... How do i do it? The manual looks like it expects the user to have a degree in music technology sometimes...Great machine ,CRAP manual. I've been trying to do my dumps on my friends' PC using Cubase , Cakewalk Pro , Fast trakker ,I've even tried the sysex dumpster from the DR-660 ftp archives , but none of the programs seems to acknowledge the fact that a MIDI instrument is plugged in and sending data...(0 bytes received...).HELP!!! Also , the DR-660's memory seems to be full ,even though there are a few empty patterns.Is this normal ? All the patterns i've made are 4 beats long... Here's a smart trick for some live effects , to finish this letter off : press a pad with an instrument like FX noize or claves etc..Press PAD and go to the pitch change mode .Holding down ROLL and the pad in question change the pitch with the data wheel all the way from -2400 to 2400 (or the other way around).Dig the sound! Experiment & enjoy! From dr-660-owner Mon Mar 13 17:41:28 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id RAA27134; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 17:41:28 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA27129; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 17:41:26 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id RAA24911; Mon, 13 Mar 1995 17:41:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 17:41:28 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: sysex dumps?HELP!!v.2 In-Reply-To: <12646.9503140001@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I've been having good fun with this cool instrument but the tempo/data > wheel is giving me problems . It only seems to work properly when the weird.. never heard of that. > I've been trying to do my dumps on my friends' PC using Cubase , > Cakewalk Pro , Fast trakker ,I've even tried the sysex dumpster from > the DR-660 ftp archives , but none of the programs seems to acknowledge > the fact that a MIDI instrument is plugged in and sending data...(0 well.. actually doing the dump from the 660 is pretty easy, imho. go into the midi stuff, scroll to dump, choose what you want to dump. hit enter. if you're computer's ready to receive, it should get everything. i dont know what you mean about the sysex dumper in the archives. there isnt one. the one thing i can think of, when you say you're not getting any midi date from the 660 is that you've got the thru mode on. do you get other midi data from the 660, like clocks and notes? if not, go into midi, scroll to thru, and set it to off.. this makes the midi out port an out rather than a thru. > Also , the DR-660's memory seems to be full ,even though there > are a few empty patterns.Is this normal ? All the patterns i've made are > 4 beats long... the memory doesnt necessarily correspond to number or length of patterns. if you have a short pattern that's really dense, it will eat up memory. if you have a few of these, you'll run out. even if you havent filled the 150 available user patterns. it's one regrettable failing of the 660, that it doesnt have enough memory (my other biggest complaints: not enough good hi-hats, and why'd they waste all that space with toms?;) m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Is that a ten-gallon hat -- or are you just enjoying the show? - Madeline Kahn in "Blazing Saddles" (1974) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Tue Mar 14 04:57:16 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id EAA00772; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 04:57:16 -0800 Received: from atc.boeing.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA00767; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 04:57:14 -0800 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.57) id AA15987; Tue, 14 Mar 95 05:01:57 -0800 Received: from hera (hera.hv.boeing.com) by splinter.boeing.com with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA044845771; Tue, 14 Mar 1995 04:56:11 -0800 Received: by hera (931110.SGI/930416.SGI) for @splinter.boeing.com:DR-660@hyperreal.com id AA11050; Tue, 14 Mar 95 06:57:41 -0800 From: "Bob Crispen" Message-Id: <9503140657.ZM11048@hera.hv.boeing.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 06:57:40 -0600 In-Reply-To: Mr P Iliopoulos "sysex dumps?HELP!!v.2" (Mar 14, 12:01am) References: <12646.9503140001@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: sysex dumps?HELP!!v.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mar 14, 12:01am, Mr P Iliopoulos wrote: > How do i do it? The manual looks like it expects the user to have a > degree in music technology sometimes...Great machine ,CRAP manual. Can I get an AMEN, bretheren and sisteren! I suggested on SYNTH-L that the DR-660 has the lowest manual quality to instrument quality ratio since the FZ-1. I got my DR-660 this weekend, and it only took me 8 hours to figure out how to set up a drumkit. Is that a record? Incidentally, a good part of what they pay me to do is read obscure technical manuals and make stuff work. I'm still not sure I can repeat the keystrokes to get out of the change assignment menu to the (e.g.) change decay, but I have concluded so far that (a) they don't tell you in the manual, (b) part of what they do tell you in the manual is wrong, and (c) so far, if I guess what I should do it works often enough. Anyway, at least the guy who wrote the manual didn't write the operating system, and I do love those sounds, which is what it's about. Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen revbob@hera.hv.boeing.com From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 16 10:59:01 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id KAA04627; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:59:01 -0800 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA04608; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:58:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199503161858.KAA04608@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6361; Thu, 16 Mar 95 10:56:41 PST Date: Thu, 16 Mar 95 10:54:48 PST From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: Cracking To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I don't know if any of you have experimented with this, but I've been getting a pretty annoying cracking sound when using the flange effect on certain sounds on the DR-660. Actually, the only one it pops up on on a normal basis is the 808 Cowbell, with the pitch detuned to really low value (like -2300). It's a really great sound for the machine IMHO, except for that crack. From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 16 12:50:36 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA12955; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:50:36 -0800 Received: from er7.rutgers.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA12944; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:50:33 -0800 Received: (from jaslin@localhost) by er7.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.6) id PAA28454 for DR-660@hyperreal.com; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 15:50:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 95 15:50:30 EST From: Jasper Lin To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: crackling Message-ID: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Nope, I haven't had much time to mess with the effects yet BUT do you notice an annoying clipping or clight crackling when playincertain patches really fast -- like manually rolling the snares? Is it just my machine or do all of them have loose midi and power jacks? When I plug the cords into them there is a scary cracking sound like the board it is screwed into is cracking. Jasper From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 16 13:11:34 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA14764; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:11:34 -0800 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA14759; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:11:32 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.9/7.2ws+) id NAA01917; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:11:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:11:31 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: crackling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Is it just my machine or do all of them have loose midi and power jacks? > When I plug the cords into them there is a scary cracking sound like the > board it is screwed into is cracking. i've never noticed anything like that.. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Mon Mar 20 06:05:22 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id GAA06739; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 06:05:22 -0800 Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA06734; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 06:05:19 -0800 Received: (from jjgriffi@localhost) by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id IAA08695; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:05:02 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:05:02 -0600 (CST) From: ok To: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Cracking In-Reply-To: <199503161858.KAA04608@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Mar 1995, Scott wrote: > > > I don't know if any of you have experimented with this, but I've been getting > a pretty annoying cracking sound when using the flange effect on certain sounds > on the DR-660. > > Actually, the only one it pops up on on a normal basis is the 808 Cowbell, > with the pitch detuned to really low value (like -2300). It's a really great > sound for the machine IMHO, except for that crack. > I know what you're talking about, it's the worse with low pitched 808 toms, kick drums, or anything else that contains a lot of bass. You can help lessen this effect on those patches by simply turning their ind. effect level down or turning the chours feedback down, unless you want the crack for a special effect.... From dr-660-owner Mon Mar 20 12:17:33 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA02594; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:17:33 -0800 Received: from er7.rutgers.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA02588; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:17:28 -0800 Received: (from jaslin@localhost) by er7.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.6) id PAA10077 for DR-660@hyperreal.com; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:17:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 15:17:26 EST From: Jasper Lin To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: NEW 660 for sale Message-ID: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi guys, I've decided to part ways with my newly acquired 660. It's been on for less than 10 hours. My roommate decided to bring his synth up to school and we no longer need the extra gear. I will ship it to you first class for $370 (?) Jasper From dr-660-owner Tue Mar 21 08:08:26 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA15752; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:08:26 -0800 Received: from mail.lancs.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA15733; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:08:20 -0800 Received: from cent1.lancs.ac.uk by mail.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 16:04:09 +0000 From: Mr P Iliopoulos Message-Id: <22099.9503211604@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> Received: by cent1.lancs.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 95 16:04:10 GMT Subject: Effects weirdness... To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 16:04:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1762 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi there everyone!I've had my 660 for a month now; I read Vince's problems with effects a couple of weeks ago but didn't think much about it at the time...Alas , they mysteriously appeared in my setup yesterday! I did an all-data bulk dump in my Atari -to save on disk- running Breakthru v.2 and then switched everything off.I later used Steinberg's Pro12 sequencer to play around a little and discovered that the instruments i had added chorus to sounded strange , even when i turned the chorus down to 0.It was like the chorus effect had been boosted up a lot (much more than what the 660 normally does). Some very trippy sounds were coming out of my machine but what worried me was that there was some chorus effect even after turning all chorus settings down to 0.Before the problem occured i had turned the chorus-all and reverb-all settings for some drumkits all the way up to 9 and I thought that might have been too much for the machine (which -after all- is a drum machine ,not a synth or effects box) ; so i turned down these global settings and switched off.I switched it back on half an hour later to find things working normally again.My emotions were mixed because i had lost some nice sounds as well. After reading Vince's s letter, I think the problem might be sysex- related since for both cases it occured after a sysex dump...My only suggestion is that it's probably better to keep global chorus settings at low values and only increase individual instruments' chorus... Excuse my language but WHAT A FUCKIN' CRAP MANUAL! Any ideas/comments/suggestions would be much appreciated... Thanks, Pan. From dr-660-owner Tue Mar 21 09:00:11 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA19345; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:00:11 -0800 Received: from atc.boeing.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA19333; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:00:08 -0800 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.57) id AA23517; Tue, 21 Mar 95 09:04:54 -0800 Received: from hera (hera.hv.boeing.com) by splinter.boeing.com with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA172625139; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:58:59 -0800 Received: by hera (931110.SGI/930416.SGI) for @splinter.boeing.com:DR-660@hyperreal.com id AA02316; Tue, 21 Mar 95 11:00:34 -0800 From: "Bob Crispen" Message-Id: <9503211100.ZM2314@hera.hv.boeing.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 11:00:34 -0600 In-Reply-To: Mr P Iliopoulos "Effects weirdness..." (Mar 21, 4:04pm) References: <22099.9503211604@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Effects weirdness... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mar 21, 4:04pm, Mr P Iliopoulos wrote: > I did an all-data bulk dump in my Atari -to save on disk- running > Breakthru v.2 and then switched everything off.I later used Steinberg's > Pro12 sequencer to play around a little and discovered that the > instruments i had added chorus to sounded strange , even when i turned > the chorus down to 0.It was like the chorus effect had been boosted up > a lot (much more than what the 660 normally does). That reminds me of something I noticed the other day: I'd been composing some patterns, and when I hit the OFF button, I could hear the ride cymbal a LONG time afterwards, and the loops were quite audible. When I put the pattern into a song, this effect disappeared. My guess is that your observation and mine aren't related, since I don't have a computer hooked up to my DR-660, but who knows? > Excuse my language but WHAT A FUCKIN' CRAP MANUAL! Amen, brother! Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen revbob@hera.hv.boeing.com From dr-660-owner Wed Mar 22 12:13:32 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA19555; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 12:13:32 -0800 Received: from mail.lancs.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA19543; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 12:13:19 -0800 Received: from cent1.lancs.ac.uk by mail.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 22 Mar 1995 20:13:17 +0000 From: Mr P Iliopoulos Message-Id: <27429.9503222013@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> Received: by cent1.lancs.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Mar 95 20:13:12 GMT Subject: Effects weirdness no more! (Squishy read this...) To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 20:13:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 980 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello all! This is to do with the letter i mailed yesterday.. My problem seems to have been identical to Vince's from Squishy (excellent name!) records. Well i switched my 660/Atari setup last night and run Breakthru v.2 sequencer.The chorus weirdness was back.Then i had a look at the sequencer's settings and realised that the SOFT THRU function was on. I switched it off and WAY-HEY! the 660's sound was back to normal. (The 660's thru was off as well) I suspect that when soft thru is on, sound data between the 660 and the computer get caught in a feedback loop or something as the computer automatically sends data from its midi in port to its midi out port.Since the effects in the 660 work by looping the sound somehow (i think) things go haywire when this looping is multiplied . Some very interesting sounds can be achieved this way... Thanks, Pan From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 30 08:22:13 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA10452; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 08:22:13 -0800 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA10441; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 08:22:10 -0800 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA05333; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 11:22:09 +0500 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 11:22:09 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Question. :) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1299 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Readers, First of all, lemme say this; "Hello out there??". This mailing list should be bumpin' with letters, so let's all get back into the swing of things! Ok, now I hvae a question: I noticed in the past that some of you guys were having problems with the bulk-load function when trying to recieve some of the sysex data from mike at hyperreal. Well, just curious, I am going to be doing that show (yes, the one I have mentioned a hundred times already bc Im worried about the 660's memory problem), and Ive decided to just use the disk recorder and bulk-dump my individual songs on seperate disks. Well, my question is is that when I do the bulk-load up on stage from the disk recorder to the 660, is it going to give me problems? I havent tried it yet for Ive been busy alot lately, but if anyone can help me get going in the right direction, i would appreciate it! :) later guys! ************************ Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ************************ | Specialize in guitar, arranging, and producing. Intense Rock/Metal/Trance | | Main Equipment: Ibanez RG570, Fender Pro185, DigiTech RP-1, Roland Dr660, | | Yahama MT120s, Yamaha DX100, Lincoln Bass, and more...... | ********** For Demos: FTP Hyperreal.Com /incoming/sounds/razorguts ********** From dr-660-owner Thu Mar 30 09:15:05 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA14070; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:15:05 -0800 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA14064; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:15:02 -0800 Received: from edwin-a7.aip.realtime.net (edwin-a7.aip.realtime.net [204.96.1.104]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA17828 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 11:14:18 -0600 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 11:14:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199503301714.LAA17828@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: squishy@bga.com (Squishy) Subject: Problems Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Awhile back I mentioned I was having problems with effects on the 660. A few others mentioned they too have had similiar problems. I talked to the local shop and they told me they want to call Boss. They said it would be really help matters if I had others to confirm this problem. To those of you who have had similiar problems, could you please email me with the scenario. Our comments will then be faxed to Boss. Just FYI, my problem still exists. I did a factory preset and started a whole new kit and the problem showed up again. I tried various methods of eliminating the problem and the only way I could get the problem to go away was by turning the unit off and then back on. Thanks. Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Fri Mar 31 08:40:31 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA11759; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 08:40:31 -0800 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA11733; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 08:40:21 -0800 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA21144; Fri, 31 Mar 1995 11:40:21 +0500 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 11:40:21 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Another question Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 760 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Readers, hey, I know we have all bitched about the small amount of memory in the 660, but, I recently bought a Roland DR-5... and, i DID recieve the manual with this purchase! Anyway, there is a way to check the remaining memory (pattern AND song memory) for the DR-5, so I figure that maybe there is a way to do the same on the 660, but it is not under the utilities menu. OK, here is the question- how the hell can I check the remaining memory in the 660? If there is a way, please show me the light... thankyou.. hey also, still waiting to get a response about the bulk load of sysex data in the 660- will it gimme hell? :) ***** Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ***** ----------------------------- From dr-660-owner Sun Apr 23 13:49:08 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA07673; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:49:08 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA07639; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:48:23 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ju) id NAA06798; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:48:24 -0700 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:48:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: realtime dr-660 fx control? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk is there any way to change the effects settings in realtime? i.e. using sysex? has anyone tried it? the manual, unsurprisingly, is not very clear about this. i seem to remember it saying the 660 cannot receive *any* sysex when playing.. i'm having great fun playing with the chorus/flange in real time, but i'd like to sequence it and free up my attention :) m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- i ride a turtle into object nirvana evan mclain self become: nil the zen of smalltalk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Sun Apr 23 14:43:56 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA11192; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:43:56 -0700 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA11186; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:43:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199504232143.OAA11186@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0354; Sun, 23 Apr 95 14:43:23 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Apr 95 14:39:19 PDT From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: Effects... To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Most of the time I've spent using the 660 has been altering sounds through the effects (generally the flange) and pitching. Completely rewarding on some of them... Taking the pitch way down and adding a bit of Chorus to the Synbass sample is very cool when you put it into a fast rhythm. You get that typical flange fadeinout sound, with a metallic thudding sound. Very cool. Also cool is taking the 808Cow and pitching that way down as well...but as I mentioned before, this tends to give a loud cracking sound when too much flange is added. The 909Cow (which is actually the 78, is it not) doesn't sound as good under similar circumstances... Anyone else created some good sounds? From dr-660-owner Mon Apr 24 06:26:45 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id GAA29127; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 06:26:45 -0700 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA29120; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 06:26:39 -0700 Received: from centime.cs.tu-berlin.de (mho@centime.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.22.21]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id PAA19155; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:25:48 +0200 Received: (mho@localhost) by centime.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA08924; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:25:46 +0200 Message-Id: <199504241325.PAA08924@centime.cs.tu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: realtime dr-660 fx control? To: map@cs.washington.edu (Mike Perkowitz) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:25:44 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Mike Perkowitz" at Apr 23, 95 01:48:23 pm From: Michael Hopp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk mike wrote: > > > is there any way to change the effects settings in realtime? i.e. using > sysex? has anyone tried it? the manual, unsurprisingly, is not very clear > about this. i seem to remember it saying the 660 cannot receive *any* > sysex when playing.. don't know about receiving sysex while playing the internal sequencer, but inbetween incoming external midi notes, it works of course, always provided the sequencer software or whatever is capable of generating the correct roland sysex checksums. -- mho@cs.tu-berlin.de - listening to the music the machines make - - I let my heart break - I felt the floor change - - just for a moment - into an ocean - From dr-660-owner Tue Apr 25 03:01:16 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id DAA19168; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 03:01:16 -0700 Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA19132; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 03:00:36 -0700 Received: from ebor.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:57:09 +0100 Received: by ebor.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id LAA28729; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:00:43 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:00:43 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Gibson X-Sender: isg100@ebor.york.ac.uk To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: realtime dr-660 fx control? In-Reply-To: <199504241325.PAA08924@centime.cs.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Michael Hopp wrote: > don't know about receiving sysex while playing the internal sequencer, > but inbetween incoming external midi notes, it works of course, always > provided the sequencer software or whatever is capable of generating > the correct roland sysex checksums. > I thought that parameters can not be controlled in realtime on the dr-660. How, for example, would you change reverb decay ? - Ian From dr-660-owner Wed Apr 26 12:53:07 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA20009; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:04:48 -0700 Received: from peseta.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA19993; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:04:40 -0700 Received: from fireball by peseta.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id JAA06114; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:04:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:04:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199504261604.JAA06114@peseta.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Memory X-Mailer: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of ways to increase the memory on these things? I know that Roland doesn't offer anything. I got three and 1/2 songs written and it's full. From dr-660-owner Wed Apr 26 13:22:46 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA09541; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:22:46 -0700 Received: from atc.boeing.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA09534; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:22:43 -0700 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.57) id AA03264; Wed, 26 Apr 95 13:27:46 -0700 Received: from hera (hera.hv.boeing.com) by splinter.boeing.com with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA297587679; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:21:19 -0700 Received: by hera (931110.SGI/930416.SGI) for @splinter.boeing.com:dr-660@hyperreal.com id AA17028; Wed, 26 Apr 95 15:23:31 -0700 From: "Bob Crispen" Message-Id: <9504261523.ZM17026@hera.hv.boeing.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:23:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) "Memory" (Apr 26, 9:04am) References: <199504261604.JAA06114@peseta.ucdavis.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Apr 26, 9:04am, Rick Riffle wrote: > Does anyone know of ways to increase the memory on these things? I know > that Roland doesn't offer anything. I got three and 1/2 songs written and > it's full. I discovered (no thanks to the manual of course!) that you can do a MIDI bulk dump of everything to a synth or sequencer that accepts bulk dumps. My elderly Yamaha V50 did just fine at dumping and restoring memory to and from its built-in disc drive. Bob Crispen revbob@hera.hv.boeing.com From dr-660-owner Wed Apr 26 13:28:57 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA10124; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:28:57 -0700 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA10111; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:28:52 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id NAA00419; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:28:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:28:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: Memory In-Reply-To: <9504261523.ZM17026@hera.hv.boeing.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Does anyone know of ways to increase the memory on these things? I know > > that Roland doesn't offer anything. I got three and 1/2 songs written and > > it's full. > > I discovered (no thanks to the manual of course!) that you can do a > MIDI bulk dump of everything to a synth or sequencer that accepts > bulk dumps. My elderly Yamaha V50 did just fine at dumping and > restoring memory to and from its built-in disc drive. well sheesh, the manual isnt great, but it's not like you cant get anything out of it. it's pretty easy to dump things from the 660, and the manual gives the basics. anyway, you can dump individual kits, all kits, patterns, songs, etc. what i usually do is, when i'm working on a piece on the computer (i use cakewalk for dos), i dump whatever drum kits i'm using to cakewalk and save them with the song. i find that easier than dumping a big mess of stuff and sorting it out later. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In school, every period ends with a bell. Every sentence ends with a period. Every crime ends with a sentence. -- Steven Wright ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Thu Apr 27 00:44:31 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id AAA03822; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 00:44:31 -0700 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA03815; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 00:44:29 -0700 Received: from maria-6b.aip.realtime.net (maria-6b.aip.realtime.net [204.181.160.98]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id CAA14924 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 02:44:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 02:44:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199504270744.CAA14924@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: squishy@bga.com (Squishy) Subject: Here's What I Want... Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My DR-660 has served me well, but now it's time to find something new. After having problems with it, it's made me reconsider it's existance in my studio. I've decided that I will keep it, but I want something else too. I don't know if what i'm looking for exists, but I figured this would be the best place to post to find out. I'm not really concerned with price or age. I don't care if it's a module or drum machine. It doesn't need to have a sequencer. Here's what I would like it to have... good (dance music) sounds random panning random pitch resonant filters built-in effects (not a must) Basically, I want lots of editting power. Don't get me wrong, the DR-660 gives you a decent amount of editting, but I want more. Am I dreaming or does something exist. If anyone can think of anything that even comes close, please let me know. I've looked around to see what's available and it looks pretty thin. The two stores here have the DR-* family and the Alesis D4... not much to choose from. Thanks. Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Thu Apr 27 11:20:06 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA04924; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:20:06 -0700 Received: from sierra.zyzzyva.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA04867; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:19:35 -0700 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu (twain.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.3]) by sierra.zyzzyva.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA00920 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:03:47 -0500 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id LAA02986; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:04:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:04:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: Here's What I Want... In-Reply-To: <199504270744.CAA14924@zoom.bga.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > good (dance music) sounds > random panning > random pitch > resonant filters > built-in effects (not a must) > > Basically, I want lots of editting power. Don't get me wrong, the > DR-660 gives you a decent amount of editting, but I want more. i think what you want is the kawai XD-5. it's mostly a K4r but with drum sounds as the basic wave samples. it has resonant filters and a lot of editability, but i dont think it has the random stuff. i believe some of the higher end roland drum machines have randomizing abilities. you might check out the R8, the R8 rack module (with the 808 and dance cards), and the R70. i'd be interested in hearing what you find out particularly about the R8 rack.. i've occasionally wondered if i shouldnt think about trading my 660 for one, since i mostly use it as a sound source. so please report back :) another drum module to consider might be the yamaha RM-50. i hear it's editable, and it does have waveform card expansion slots. there's also the e-mu procussion (and the D4), both of which sound less interesting. there's also the yamaha RY-30, a nice box in many ways. approximately comparable to the 660. it's probably not sophisticated enough for what you want. but it does have that wheel... m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "The caribou love it. They rub against it and they have babies. There are more caribou in Alaska than you can shae a stick at." --George Bush, on the Alaska pipeline ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Thu Apr 27 13:07:55 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA02272; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:07:55 -0700 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA02263; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:07:52 -0700 Received: from [140.174.95.130] ([140.174.95.130]) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA06734 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:11:51 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:13:10 -0700 To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: jsd@cyborganic.com (Jon Drukman) Subject: Re: Here's What I Want... Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> good (dance music) sounds >> random panning >> random pitch >> resonant filters >> built-in effects (not a must) >> >> Basically, I want lots of editting power. Don't get me wrong, the >> DR-660 gives you a decent amount of editting, but I want more. vince, it sounds like you really should just get a good sampler. you will probably get bored of any drum machine in a small amount of time. i have the dr660 and i use it for "bread and butter" with the weirdness supplied by my K2000. now THAT'S editing power... yeah, it does cost a bit more than a drum box (DR660 - $300, K2000 - $3000) but you will NEVER run into a dead end with it, i guarantee it... :) and if you can't fork out the bread for a K2000, there are other samplers with decent amounts of editing power for less than half the cost... Jon Drukman jsd@cyborganic.com I can tell you're cool because your water costs more than your beer. From dr-660-owner Fri Apr 28 12:16:17 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA17333; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:16:17 -0700 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA17327; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:16:15 -0700 Received: from install01.x500.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 20:15:34 +0100 Received: from smtpgate.x500.bt.co.uk ([147.149.149.17]) by install01.x500.bt.co.uk; Fri, 28 Apr 95 20:18:59 BST Received: by smtpgate.x500.bt.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <2FA13E85@smtpgate.x500.bt.co.uk>; Fri, 28 Apr 95 20:14:13 BST From: "Graham, John" To: "'DR-660@hyperreal.com'" Subject: Pad volume settings Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 20:14:00 BST Message-Id: <2FA13E85@smtpgate.x500.bt.co.uk> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I seem to have set one of my pads (the pedal hihat) to volume setting 9 and can't get it back up. It seems to be on all drum kits too. OK I know how to change it back to 32 but I can't seem to save it. When I change to a different drum kit (and then back) it's set back to 9 again. I guess I originally did this by accident and now I'd just like it reset for all kits. I can't find any help in the manual. Anyone? Regards, John PS I downloaded the 2 kits from hyperreal (dub and hypno) but couldn't download them from Cakewalk into my 660. I solved the problem by setting my 660 to midi channel 1, the sxy must have been taken from a machine with midi channel 1 and it's embedded in the patch. This may be old news, but it might help some other newbee like me. Oh yes, the kits are great... From dr-660-owner Sun Apr 30 07:13:43 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id HAA14833; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 07:13:43 -0700 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA14823; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 07:13:33 -0700 Received: from centime.cs.tu-berlin.de (mho@centime.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.22.21]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id QAA00394 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 16:13:09 +0200 Received: (mho@localhost) by centime.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA03257 for dr-660@hyperreal.com; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 16:13:07 +0200 Message-Id: <199504301413.QAA03257@centime.cs.tu-berlin.de> Subject: realtime dr-660 fx control? (fwd) To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 16:13:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: Michael Hopp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ian wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Michael Hopp wrote: > > > don't know about receiving sysex while playing the internal sequencer, > > but inbetween incoming external midi notes, it works of course, always > > provided the sequencer software or whatever is capable of generating > > the correct roland sysex checksums. > > > > I thought that parameters can not be controlled in realtime on the > dr-660. How, for example, would you change reverb decay ? > > - Ian hmm, that would be this as raw MIDI data (all values hexadecimal): f0, 41, Device-ID, 52, 12, 00, 02, 00, 01, value, checksum, f7 | \ / | (MIDIChannel - 1) Memory adress for reverb time * * the checksum is computed by adding all bytes for the adress and the value and then substracting this from 80. For a value of 5 here this would be : (80 - (00 + 02 + 00 + 01 + 05)) = 78. The adress mapping for all parameter was in the back of my manual. the only thing not mentioned there was the checksum, but i had found this out already for my MT-32 years ago and discovered that it was the same for the 660. If your sequencer allows you to type in raw MIDI data, you are able to make such a string for each combination of parameter/value. Your'e better of with for example the MIDI-Manager in Cubase where you can build a slider for that. -- mho@cs.tu-berlin.de - listening to the music the machines make - - I let my heart break - I felt the floor change - - just for a moment - into an ocean - From dr-660-owner Sun Apr 30 07:24:52 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id HAA15184; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 07:24:52 -0700 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA15178; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 07:24:47 -0700 Received: from centime.cs.tu-berlin.de (mho@centime.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.22.21]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id QAA00518 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 16:24:35 +0200 Received: (mho@localhost) by centime.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA03313 for dr-660@hyperreal.com; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 16:24:32 +0200 Message-Id: <199504301424.QAA03313@centime.cs.tu-berlin.de> Subject: Pad volume settings (fwd) To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 16:24:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Michael Hopp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk John wrote: > > > I seem to have set one of my pads (the pedal hihat) to volume setting 9 > and can't get it back up. It seems to be on all drum kits too. OK I know > how to change it back to 32 but I can't seem to save it. When I change to > a different drum kit (and then back) it's set back to 9 again. I guess I > originally did this by accident and now I'd just like it reset for all > kits. I can't find any help in the manual. > Anyone? > there is no save procedure on the 660. The first 8 Drumkits are read-only, all changes made to them get lost when changing to another kit. Changes for kits 9 to 38 are stored immediately: I think the only way to recover the not-read-only factory kits is by receiving a bulk dump of them. -- mho@cs.tu-berlin.de - listening to the music the machines make - - I let my heart break - I felt the floor change - - just for a moment - into an ocean - From dr-660-owner Tue May 2 01:06:49 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id BAA11854; Tue, 2 May 1995 01:06:49 -0700 Received: from t.hfb.se by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id BAA11841; Tue, 2 May 1995 01:06:29 -0700 Received: from tex1.hfb.se by t.hfb.se (4.1/HFB_T-1.1) id AA12787; Tue, 2 May 95 10:06:20 +0200 Date: Tue, 2 May 95 10:06:20 +0200 From: d93fso@t.hfb.se (Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93) Message-Id: <9505020806.AA12787@t.hfb.se> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Pad volume settings Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I seem to have set one of my pads (the pedal hihat) to volume setting 9 > and can't get it back up. It seems to be on all drum kits too. OK I know > how to change it back to 32 but I can't seem to save it. When I change to > a different drum kit (and then back) it's set back to 9 again. I guess I > originally did this by accident and now I'd just like it reset for all > kits. I can't find any help in the manual. > Anyone? If you're editing one of the drumkits 1-7, the problem is that those cannot be saved, because they are ROM (Read-Only Memory) presets. The reason you can edit the kit at all is that the 660 probably reads the kit from ROM into an edit buffer (in RAM). Kits are saved when switching to a new one. I recall the volume being a value from 0 to 15... not 32.. am I wrong?? / Fredrik Solenberg From dr-660-owner Sat May 6 18:05:47 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id SAA23536; Sat, 6 May 1995 18:05:47 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA23531; Sat, 6 May 1995 18:05:45 -0700 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ju) with ESMTP id SAA01939; Sat, 6 May 1995 18:05:37 -0700 From: TKCOLLAPSE@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA130028741; Sat, 6 May 1995 21:05:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 21:05:41 -0400 Message-Id: <950506210540_109549088@aol.com> To: dr-660@cs.washington.edu Cc: map@cs.washington.edu Subject: hi Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Could you please provide me with info regarding the DR-660 drum machine. If you need more info from me please get in touch. Thanks, --Bill From dr-660-owner Thu May 11 16:24:58 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id QAA09079; Thu, 11 May 1995 16:24:58 -0700 Received: from mail.lancs.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA09064; Thu, 11 May 1995 16:24:45 -0700 Received: from cent1.lancs.ac.uk by mail.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 12 May 1995 00:22:48 +0100 From: Mr P Iliopoulos Message-Id: <8409.9505112322@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> Received: by cent1.lancs.ac.uk; Fri, 12 May 95 00:22:22 +0100 Subject: Effects problems ( Squishy are you there?) To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 00:22:21 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1018 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Helllo all this is Pan from Lancaster ,UK I honestly don't think there are any built in problems with the 660's FX (apart from the odd crackling:turning Chorus delay to 0 might help) Vince described his problem and i had a similar one . In my case there was an error in uploading the dumped data which fucked up the fx :when loading data from an external source that has a soft thru option instead of a separate thru port , switch that to OFF Its important to keep your eyes fixed to the 660's screen while it's uploading data :If there is an error , the error message ('ChkSum error!' or 'Serial error!' will flash MOMENTARILY in between the blinking 'Receiving sysex' message . If that happens , try again.Your data might also have been corrupted due to a disk error. I'm sure the effects problems are simply data transmission errors.I've never had any problems since i learned when to switch my sequencer's thru OFF. hope that helps, Pan. From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 02:44:45 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id CAA20394; Fri, 12 May 1995 02:44:45 -0700 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA20389; Fri, 12 May 1995 02:44:43 -0700 Received: from ivy-a5.aip.realtime.net (ivy-a5.aip.realtime.net [204.96.1.70]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id EAA08281; Fri, 12 May 1995 04:44:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 04:44:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199505120944.EAA08281@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mr P Iliopoulos From: squishy@bga.com (Squishy) Subject: Re: Effects problems ( Squishy are you there?) Cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Helllo all this is Pan from Lancaster ,UK Hiya! > I honestly don't think there are any built in problems with the 660's >FX (apart from the odd crackling:turning Chorus delay to 0 might help) Neither does Boss, but I beg to differ. > Vince described his problem and i had a similar one . >In my case there was an error in uploading the dumped data which fucked up the >fx :when loading data from an external source that has a soft thru >option instead of a separate thru port , switch that to OFF The problem I have occurs when i'm starting and stopping play from my external sequencer. I talked to Boss, they are sending me a ROM upgrade. They don't think this will solve the problem, but they want to give it a try. If anyone would like to help me figure this out, I can do a sysex dump and tell you how to recreate the problem. Thanks. Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 04:41:43 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id EAA26180; Fri, 12 May 1995 04:41:43 -0700 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA26172; Fri, 12 May 1995 04:41:40 -0700 Received: from install01.x500.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 12 May 1995 12:40:50 +0100 Received: from smtpgate.x500.bt.co.uk ([147.149.149.17]) by install01.x500.bt.co.uk; Fri, 12 May 95 12:44:18 BST Received: by smtpgate.x500.bt.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <2FB348FF@smtpgate.x500.bt.co.uk>; Fri, 12 May 95 12:39:43 BST From: "Graham, John" To: dr-660 Subject: RE: Effects problems ( Squishy are you there?) Date: Fri, 12 May 95 12:38:00 BST Message-Id: <2FB348FF@smtpgate.x500.bt.co.uk> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > The problem I have occurs when i'm starting and stopping play from my > external sequencer. > I> talked to Boss, they are sending me a ROM upgrade. They don't think > this will solve the problem, but they want to give it a try. > > If anyone would like to help me figure this out, I can do a sysex dump > and tell you how to recreate the problem. > > Thanks. > Vince. > Squishy Records I'll try and help out Vince, mail to me at john@rave.demon.co.uk. TG John From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 09:56:15 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA18989; Fri, 12 May 1995 09:56:15 -0700 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA18980; Fri, 12 May 1995 09:56:11 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id JAA20039; Fri, 12 May 1995 09:56:03 -0700 Received: from cadence.cadence.com(158.140.18.1) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma019999; Fri May 12 09:55:47 1995 Received: from cds9258.cadence.com by cadence.Cadence.COM (5.61/3.14) id AA06742; Fri, 12 May 95 09:55:30 -0700 Received: from [158.140.4.106] ([158.140.4.106]) by cds9258.cadence.com (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA00873; Fri, 12 May 1995 09:54:21 -0700 X-Sender: noah@cds9258 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 09:53:39 -0800 To: "Graham, John" From: noah@cadence.com (Noah Ruiz) Subject: RE: Effects problems ( Squishy are you there?) Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> The problem I have occurs when i'm starting and stopping play from my >> external sequencer. >> >I> talked to Boss, they are sending me a ROM upgrade. They don't think >> this will solve the problem, but they want to give it a try. >> >> If anyone would like to help me figure this out, I can do a sysex dump >> and tell you how to recreate the problem. >> >> Thanks. > >> Vince. >> Squishy Records > >I'll try and help out Vince, mail to me at john@rave.demon.co.uk. > >TG John So is this ROM upgrade for the dr660? Well what I mean is the dr660 being upgraded? Siphon "The Pig is PHAT" noah@cadence.com e-mail me for info on siphon creations -=ambient+techno+experimental=- From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 11:10:09 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA26416; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:10:09 -0700 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA26409; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:10:07 -0700 Received: from vern-b6.aip.realtime.net (vern-b6.aip.realtime.net [204.96.1.47]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA10903; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:09:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:09:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199505121809.NAA10903@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: noah@cadence.com (Noah Ruiz) From: squishy@bga.com (Squishy) Subject: RE: Effects problems ( Squishy are you there?) Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >So is this ROM upgrade for the dr660? Yes. >Well what I mean is the dr660 being upgraded? Not as a mass. If you have an older 660, chances are that you have an older ROM, but if you aren't having any problems, you can't get a newer one unless you pay for it. If you are having problems, call Boss and explain the problems, if they feel a newer ROM will solve those problems, you get the ROM for free. Later... Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 11:38:31 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA29124; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:38:31 -0700 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA29111; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:38:28 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id LAA09979; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:38:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 11:38:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: ROM upgrade In-Reply-To: <199505121809.NAA10903@zoom.bga.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i guess what we want to know is, does the ROM upgrade do anything useful and interesting, or is it just a few OS fixes that most people would be unlikely to notice? i'll go ahead and assume that it doesnt provide what i really want: more memory, new sounds, ability to load sounds via MIDI SDS, ... ;) oh, and a fix to that annoying thing where it doesnt delete the name when you delete the pattern. duh. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "E-mail is reincarnating the age of letter writing. We're keeping in touch the way the Victorians did, building a personal community connected by a constant stream of letters sharing news and gossip. E-mail is reviving the 'letter' as a forum for wit, style, and personality, as well as serving as an invaluable business tool." - Leslie Schroeder, Silicon Valley PR consultant to high-tech companies ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 12:22:23 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA03318; Fri, 12 May 1995 12:22:23 -0700 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA03294; Fri, 12 May 1995 12:22:19 -0700 Received: from vern-b6.aip.realtime.net (edwin-a0.aip.realtime.net [204.96.1.97]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA17254; Fri, 12 May 1995 14:22:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 14:22:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199505121922.OAA17254@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mike Perkowitz From: squishy@bga.com (Squishy) Subject: Re: ROM upgrade Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >i guess what we want to know is, does the ROM upgrade do anything useful >and interesting, or is it just a few OS fixes that most people would be >unlikely to notice? I think it just fixes to the OS. >i'll go ahead and assume that it doesnt provide what i really want: more >memory, new sounds, ability to load sounds via MIDI SDS, ... ;) ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yeah, don't we all wish! I would just love some more sounds. Later... Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 13:12:31 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA08398; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:12:31 -0700 Received: from astro.cs.umass.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA08391; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:12:29 -0700 Received: (from barrett@localhost) by astro.cs.umass.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA23030; Fri, 12 May 1995 16:12:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 16:12:29 -0400 From: Daniel Barrett Message-Id: <199505122012.QAA23030@astro.cs.umass.edu> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ROM upgrade References: <199505121922.OAA17254@zoom.bga.com> Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On May 12, 1995, Squishy wrote: >>i'll go ahead and assume that it doesnt provide what i really want: more >>memory, new sounds, ability to load sounds via MIDI SDS, ... ;) ^^^^ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Yeah, don't we all wish! I would just love some more sounds. More sounds? Like what? So far, I have found that 255 drum sounds and great programmability have been enough for me. My only sound wish would be for better hihat cymbals. Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett -- Computer Science Dept, University of MA, Amherst, MA 01003 | | http://zoo.cs.umass.edu/~barrett/public.html -- barrett@cs.umass.edu | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 13:48:29 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA11685; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:48:29 -0700 Received: from firewall.island.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA11676; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:48:26 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by firewall.island.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA20313 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:51:55 -0700 Received: from island.island.com(199.4.85.1) by firewall via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma020311; Fri May 12 13:51:39 1995 Received: from saipan by island.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02471; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:48:10 +0800 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:48:10 +0800 Message-Id: <9505122048.AA02471@island.com> X-Sender: kin@greenland.island.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: kin@island.com (Kin Blas) Subject: Re: ROM upgrade X-Mailer: content-length: 237 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > More sounds? Like what? So far, I have found that 255 drum >sounds and great programmability have been enough for me. My only >sound wish would be for better hihat cymbals. More cymbals period. --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 13:59:14 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA12684; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:59:14 -0700 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA12676; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:59:13 -0700 Received: from vern-b6.aip.realtime.net (edwin-a0.aip.realtime.net [204.96.1.97]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA25629; Fri, 12 May 1995 15:59:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 15:59:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199505122059.PAA25629@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Daniel Barrett From: squishy@bga.com (Squishy) Subject: Re: ROM upgrade Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On May 12, 1995, Squishy wrote: >>>i'll go ahead and assume that it doesnt provide what i really want: more >>>memory, new sounds, ability to load sounds via MIDI SDS, ... ;) ^^^^ >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >>Yeah, don't we all wish! I would just love some more sounds. > > More sounds? Like what? So far, I have found that 255 drum >sounds and great programmability have been enough for me. My only >sound wish would be for better hihat cymbals. I've written approx. 54 songs with the DR-660 and for me, it seems like i'm out of sounds. Yeah, you can tweak the pitch, etc. etc., but it's still the same sounds. Better and more cymbals would be nice, more metals period. Not a wide selection there. Of course it's personal preference, but i'd like more electronic drum sounds v. the real sounds. I mean, if I were a grunge rocker, would I really want to use a drum machine... no, I would have real drummer. I'm sure there are people who use the 660 for those _real_ drum sounds, but IMO, there are too many of them. Of course, this all falls into the _here's what i'd like from a drum machine_ category. Later... Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Fri May 12 14:08:52 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA14018; Fri, 12 May 1995 14:08:52 -0700 Received: from peseta.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14013; Fri, 12 May 1995 14:08:50 -0700 Received: from fireball by peseta.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id OAA08072; Fri, 12 May 1995 14:08:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 14:08:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199505122108.OAA08072@peseta.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: ROM upgrade X-Mailer: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On May 12, 1995, Squishy wrote: >>>i'll go ahead and assume that it doesnt provide what i really want: more >>>memory, new sounds, ability to load sounds via MIDI SDS, ... ;) ^^^^ >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >>Yeah, don't we all wish! I would just love some more sounds. > > More sounds? Like what? So far, I have found that 255 drum >sounds and great programmability have been enough for me. My only >sound wish would be for better hihat cymbals. > Ya Dan, I agree. I spend half my time programing the sounds to sound like I want before I even start sequencing them. I've fucked with the parameters of some of the sounds til they sound like synth sounds even supposed drum sounds like the toms. Try using those base guitar type sounds at the end of the list. Turn the pitch to +2400 or -2400 and make it sustain for +31. There's alot more sounds in there than you may think. Use what you have. Rick From dr-660-owner Mon May 15 03:49:46 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id DAA22591; Mon, 15 May 1995 03:49:46 -0700 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id DAA22520; Mon, 15 May 1995 03:47:55 -0700 Via: uk.ac.plymouth.school-of-computing; Mon, 15 May 1995 11:20:12 +0100 Via: [141.163.211.153]; Mon, 15 May 95 11:03:12 BST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 11:24:25 +0100 To: squishy@bga.com (Squishy), dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com From: paul@school-of-computing.plymouth.ac.uk (Paul Maguire) Subject: 660 users... Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 3:59 pm 12/5/95, Squishy wrote: >I mean, if I were a grunge rocker, would I >really want to use a drum machine... no, I would have real drummer. >I'm sure there are people who use the 660 for those _real_ drum >sounds, but IMO, there are too many of them. Vince... You're oh-so-right. What type of person uses a beat-box? Someone who is into techno, hip-hop (although I find many of the sounds too 'clean' for this), jungle, or some other technology-based music. Surely not some acoustic or bass/vocal/guitar set-up? Anyone who uses a drum machine in order to mimic a real drummer is missing the point. A drum machine can do things a drummer can only imagine...It's a totally different way of thinking about the production of music. But, it must be said, there are too many crap snares and hihats on the 660. Rant, rant, rant, rave... Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- EZ(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))123 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." Dr. David Banner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dr-660-owner Mon May 15 20:00:37 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA07419; Mon, 15 May 1995 20:00:37 -0700 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA07413; Mon, 15 May 1995 20:00:33 -0700 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA07574; Mon, 15 May 1995 23:00:22 +0500 Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 23:00:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Harris To: Paul Maguire Cc: Squishy , dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com, dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: 660 users... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1705 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 May 1995, Paul Maguire wrote: > At 3:59 pm 12/5/95, Squishy wrote: > >I mean, if I were a grunge rocker, would I > >really want to use a drum machine... no, I would have real drummer. > >I'm sure there are people who use the 660 for those _real_ drum > >sounds, but IMO, there are too many of them. > > You're oh-so-right. What type of person uses a beat-box? Someone who is > into techno, hip-hop (although I find many of the sounds too 'clean' for > this), jungle, or some other technology-based music. Surely not some > acoustic or bass/vocal/guitar set-up? Anyone who uses a drum machine in > order to mimic a real drummer is missing the point. A drum machine can do Im not sure whether to think this is sarcasm or reality... BUT, I use the 660 for tight,fast,heavy guitar oriented stuff, and it works just FINE. I only use about 2 of the kits (after Ive modified them of course), and the only conclusion I can make of what you guys said is that you all dont know a thing about drum playing. You get the right knowledge and you can program a drum machine to sound as *human* as you like... see, that is what upsets me- ppl always think drum machines are only useful to techno heads, etc... I do techno (well, stuff like SpiceLab) on the side with DJ Derek Jeter, but the 660 is alot more useful to me to do the music I said (guitar stuff,etc..) rather than techno... oh well, I guess ppl using drum machines vs. real drummers will always be an ongoing controversy, and I'll always argue for the use of drum machines. :) peaceout all... Razorguts ***** Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ***** ----------------------------- From dr-660-owner Tue May 16 06:43:46 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id GAA14642; Tue, 16 May 1995 06:43:46 -0700 Received: from hobbe.adb.gu.se by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA14630; Tue, 16 May 1995 06:43:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 May 95 15:44:55 +0200 From: "Lab. - konto G94-9" Message-Id: <9505161344.AA25635@hobbe.adb.gu.se> Received: from kalle3.adb.gu.se by hobbe.adb.gu.se (4.1/3.14+gl) id AA25635; Tue, 16 May 95 15:44:55 +0200 Received: by kalle3.adb.gu.se (4.1/3.14+gl) id AA14359; Tue, 16 May 95 15:43:49 +0200 To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: new&fresh Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello! I am a new member of this list and i have a few questions that you may have heard earlier, but I'll ask them anyway. 1. I have used my dr-660 for about a year or so and even though it offers a "wide range of editing possibilities" it is somewhat difficult to get an overview of the parameters while editing. Is there a good editor for ms-dos or windows or is dr-660 included in anyone of the "multi-editors" such as, for example, Midi quest? 2. Has anyone tried the patches included in the hyperreal archive and If you have, are they worth downloading? 3. If you send sysex (.syx) files from, for example Cubase, which only contains one drumkit, where will it end up? Is it possible to choose a position (e.g 1-32)to store the drumkit in, or is it stored in the original position? 4. What kind of music do tou use your dr-660 for? It would be interesting to know. Do you use it in a band or for studio purposes only etc... /Christian From dr-660-owner Tue May 16 09:12:18 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA26324; Tue, 16 May 1995 09:12:18 -0700 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA26319; Tue, 16 May 1995 09:12:15 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id JAA06833; Tue, 16 May 1995 09:12:14 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 09:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: new&fresh In-Reply-To: <9505161344.AA25635@hobbe.adb.gu.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > get an overview of the parameters while editing. Is there a good editor > for ms-dos or windows or is dr-660 included in anyone of the > "multi-editors" such as, for example, Midi quest? i've never seen one. but i havent used that many editors. > 2. Has anyone tried the patches included in the hyperreal archive and If > you have, are they worth downloading? i've tried them. in fact, i made them. though it was a while ago.. they've worked for people -- if i remember correctly, your 660 has to be set to channel 01 to receive properly. > 4. What kind of music do tou use your dr-660 for? It would be > interesting to know. Do you use it in a band or for studio purposes only TECHNO. :) these days i mainly use mine to complement my 909 and all my samples of analogue drum machines. i occasionally use the 660 for the 808 sounds and for weird percussion, and stuff like bongos and congas. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 8. Two people of the same sex can have chocolate without being called nasty names. -- from the Top Twenty Reasons Chocolate is Better than Sex ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Tue May 16 11:01:19 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA06491; Tue, 16 May 1995 11:01:19 -0700 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA06477; Tue, 16 May 1995 11:01:14 -0700 Received: from centime.cs.tu-berlin.de (mho@centime.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.22.21]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id UAA04783 for ; Tue, 16 May 1995 20:01:03 +0200 Received: (mho@localhost) by centime.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA23410 for dr-660@hyperreal.com; Tue, 16 May 1995 20:01:00 +0200 Message-Id: <199505161801.UAA23410@centime.cs.tu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: new&fresh To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 20:00:59 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <9505161344.AA25635@hobbe.adb.gu.se> from "Lab. - konto G94-9" at May 16, 95 03:44:55 pm From: Michael Hopp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Chris wrote: > 3. If you send sysex (.syx) files from, for example Cubase, which only contains one drumkit, where will it end up? Is it possible to choose a position (e.g 1-32)to store the drumkit in, or is it stored in the original position? [it wouldn't hurt do press return once in a while] it will overwrite the currently selected kit (only temporarily for kits 1 to 8 since they are in ROM) and then switch the current kit# to 1 (which is really annoying). > 4. What kind of music do tou use your dr-660 for? It would be interesting to know. Do you use it in a band or for studio purposes only etc... I'm doing semi-experimental ambient techno in my bedroom studio, but I'm sure that next time someone asks, I'll have yet another term for it.. -- mho@cs.tu-berlin.de - listening to the music the machines make - - I let my heart break - I felt the floor change - - just for a moment - into an ocean - From dr-660-owner Tue May 16 20:32:33 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA22419; Tue, 16 May 1995 20:32:33 -0700 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA22411; Tue, 16 May 1995 20:32:32 -0700 From: Mike Brown Message-Id: <199505170332.UAA22411@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: 660 users... To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 20:32:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Maguire" at May 15, 95 11:24:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1670 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > You're oh-so-right. What type of person uses a beat-box? Someone who is > into techno, hip-hop (although I find many of the sounds too 'clean' for > this), jungle, or some other technology-based music. Surely not some > acoustic or bass/vocal/guitar set-up? Anyone who uses a drum machine in > order to mimic a real drummer is missing the point. If they're missing anything, they're missing finding, scheduling, paying, and dealing with shit from a real drummer. They're missing the frustrating and expensive task of properly miking and mixing a real drum kit. They're missing having to factor what the drummer wants into everything they do. They're missing the drummer's mistakes. As I've mentioned on the list before, after hearing me play around with my 660, my stepdad bought one for his recording studio. He uses the 660's standard kits and sounds for all of his recording. He has two friends, both of whom play acoustic & electric guitar and one of whom writes country-pop songs and sings. The songwriting duo are writing and producing their own tapes here in Ohio, recorded and mixed as professionally as possible, and taking them to publishers in Nashville. The publishers have been very impressed and have bought quite a few songs so far, and have attracted the attention of producers for Whitney Houston and Garth Brooks (I know, I know, that's nothing *I* would be that proud of). I've listened to some of the tapes and the stock 660 sounds actually do sound convincing in the mix; it took me a while to realize at first that it wasn't a real drummer.) So.. the 660 can be successfully used for things besides electronic music. Mike From dr-660-owner Tue May 16 20:50:21 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA23545; Tue, 16 May 1995 20:50:21 -0700 Received: from astro.cs.umass.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA23537; Tue, 16 May 1995 20:50:18 -0700 Received: (from barrett@localhost) by astro.cs.umass.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA29342; Tue, 16 May 1995 23:50:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 23:50:18 -0400 From: Daniel Barrett Message-Id: <199505170350.XAA29342@astro.cs.umass.edu> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: 660 users... References: <199505170332.UAA22411@taz.hyperreal.com> Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On May 16, 1995, Mike Brown wrote: >So.. the 660 can be successfully used for things besides electronic music. I use the DR-660 exclusively for the realistic drum sounds. I record all my drum parts with no quantization (or very little) and lots of dynamic changes. The result is very, very close to what an actual drummer could do -- I've fooled listeners with it. :-) I'd love to have a real drummer who could read my mind and play exactly what I want. For now, a machine will do. Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett -- Computer Science Dept, University of MA, Amherst, MA 01003 | | http://zoo.cs.umass.edu/~barrett/public.html -- barrett@cs.umass.edu | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// From dr-660-owner Wed May 17 02:38:18 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id CAA13819; Wed, 17 May 1995 02:38:18 -0700 Received: from merlion.singnet.com.sg by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA13813; Wed, 17 May 1995 02:38:16 -0700 Received: from [165.21.5.36] (ts900-1016.singnet.com.sg [165.21.5.36]) by merlion.singnet.com.sg (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA31553 for ; Wed, 17 May 1995 17:38:15 +0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 17:42:50 +0800 To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: khewss@singnet.com.sg (Khew Sin Sun) Subject: Re: 660 users... Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I too use the 660 for "noraml" drum playing style for my projects. I do a lot of cover versions and the 660 is my MAIN drum source. I done from techno to jazz to soundtrack to marching bands(!!)..whatever that's required. It's a GB machine for me :-) Khew ---The Qfactor From dr-660-owner Wed May 17 08:22:16 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA02338; Wed, 17 May 1995 08:22:16 -0700 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA01938; Wed, 17 May 1995 08:15:44 -0700 Via: uk.ac.plymouth.school-of-computing; Wed, 17 May 1995 14:47:33 +0100 Via: [141.163.211.153]; Wed, 17 May 95 14:30:22 BST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 14:51:48 +0100 To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: paul@school-of-computing.plymouth.ac.uk (Paul Maguire) Subject: More on 660 users... Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I got a pretty fair (and unexpected) response to my last posting about the real drummers versus electronic beatbox idea. I understand all you guys are saying, but surely using the 660 like a 'real' drummer is like running a Ferrari on 2 star petrol, or something? This electronic instrument is capable of so much more than mere 'real-life' emulation. IMHO, to use it in such a way is a gross misuse and misrepresentation of it's capabilities. Why stick with the presets when there are so many ways to experiment? It is an instrument which *demands* experimentation. After all, what other reason would Roland have for the inclusion of such features as chorus/flanger effects and delay reverbs? Hmmmm...... CYA! Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- EZ(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))123 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." Dr. David Banner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dr-660-owner Wed May 17 08:40:28 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA03890; Wed, 17 May 1995 08:40:28 -0700 Received: from astro.cs.umass.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA03881; Wed, 17 May 1995 08:40:25 -0700 Received: (from barrett@localhost) by astro.cs.umass.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA00318; Wed, 17 May 1995 11:40:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 11:40:23 -0400 From: Daniel Barrett Message-Id: <199505171540.LAA00318@astro.cs.umass.edu> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: More on 660 users... References: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On May 17, 1995, Paul Maguire wrote: >I got a pretty fair (and unexpected) response to my last posting about the >real drummers versus electronic beatbox idea. I understand all you guys are >saying, but surely using the 660 like a 'real' drummer is like running a >Ferrari on 2 star petrol, or something? Oh, I don't know about that. It depends on what kind of music you want to create. When you listen to a great jazz trio, do you think, "Jeez, why is that drummer playing all those ordinary drum sounds?" :-) Well, that's the kind of music I want to record. (Well, one kind anyway.) I'd love to be able to drum like the best jazz/fusion drummers, but physically I can't do it. Mentally, however, I can write drum parts like the ones that these guys play. And the DR-660 has such fabulously realistic drum sounds that for the first time, I'm able to record drum parts that sound the same way they do in my head. I bought the DR-660 for its sound. Period. I sat in a store for an hour or two, comparing all the drum machine in this price range, and the DR-660 was the best. >This electronic instrument is capable of so much more than mere >'real-life' emulation. IMHO, to use it in such a way is a gross >misuse and misrepresentation of it's capabilities. I'm glad that you are finding so many interesting uses for this great instrument. Some of us, however, have other instruments that we use for experimentation. If I need non-drum timbres, sometimes I use the DR-660 for them; but usually I sit down at my Oberheim Matrix-12, which is approximately 85,000,000 times more programmable than the DR-660, and create killer patches. Just because the DR-660 works as a drum module too, doesn't mean that we are boring and non-creative people. :-) >Why stick with the presets when there are so many ways to experiment? Who said anything about sticking with the presets? I think you're making an assumption here ("real drum sounds" = "no experimentation") that isn't true. One of the reasons I chose the DR-660 is because it is so versatile. Each drum sound can be modified in so many interesting ways. I love being able to layer 6 completely different snare sounds on top of each other, each tuned to a different pitch, with different velocities, with a very quiet, low tom-tom sound underneath to add meat, plus a touch of chorus.... Yummmm. That is experimentation too. Just because it doesn't come out sounding like "squicka-squicka-baTHOINK" doesn't make it ordinary. :-) Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett -- Dept of Computer Science, Lederle Graduate Research Center | | University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 -- barrett@cs.umass.edu | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// From dr-660-owner Wed May 17 10:10:35 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id KAA11054; Wed, 17 May 1995 10:10:35 -0700 Received: from peseta.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA11049; Wed, 17 May 1995 10:10:33 -0700 Received: from fireball by peseta.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id KAA07830; Wed, 17 May 1995 10:10:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 10:10:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199505171710.KAA07830@peseta.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Daniel Barrett From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: More on 660 users... Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On May 17, 1995, Paul Maguire wrote: >>I got a pretty fair (and unexpected) response to my last posting about the >>real drummers versus electronic beatbox idea. I understand all you guys are >>saying, but surely using the 660 like a 'real' drummer is like running a >>Ferrari on 2 star petrol, or something? > > Oh, I don't know about that. It depends on what kind of music >you want to create. When you listen to a great jazz trio, do you >think, "Jeez, why is that drummer playing all those ordinary drum >sounds?" :-) Well, that's the kind of music I want to record. (Well, >one kind anyway.) > > I'd love to be able to drum like the best jazz/fusion >drummers, but physically I can't do it. Mentally, however, I can >write drum parts like the ones that these guys play. And the DR-660 >has such fabulously realistic drum sounds that for the first time, I'm >able to record drum parts that sound the same way they do in my head. > > I bought the DR-660 for its sound. Period. I sat in a store >for an hour or two, comparing all the drum machine in this price range, >and the DR-660 was the best. > >>This electronic instrument is capable of so much more than mere >>'real-life' emulation. IMHO, to use it in such a way is a gross >>misuse and misrepresentation of it's capabilities. > > I'm glad that you are finding so many interesting uses for >this great instrument. Some of us, however, have other instruments >that we use for experimentation. If I need non-drum timbres, >sometimes I use the DR-660 for them; but usually I sit down at my >Oberheim Matrix-12, which is approximately 85,000,000 times more >programmable than the DR-660, and create killer patches. Just because >the DR-660 works as a drum module too, doesn't mean that we are boring >and non-creative people. :-) > >>Why stick with the presets when there are so many ways to experiment? > > Who said anything about sticking with the presets? I think >you're making an assumption here ("real drum sounds" = "no >experimentation") that isn't true. > > One of the reasons I chose the DR-660 is because it is so >versatile. Each drum sound can be modified in so many interesting >ways. I love being able to layer 6 completely different snare sounds >on top of each other, each tuned to a different pitch, with different >velocities, with a very quiet, low tom-tom sound underneath to add >meat, plus a touch of chorus.... Yummmm. That is experimentation >too. Just because it doesn't come out sounding like >"squicka-squicka-baTHOINK" doesn't make it ordinary. :-) > > Dan You said it Dan...."squicka-squicka-baTHOINK"...now thats funny. I tried not to get involved with this one, but you are just so right. I write with my 660 and usually try to trip out the sounds till you don't know what the hell they are, but to each his own. We live in a free will universe. Anyway, thats just my thoughts. Rick From dr-660-owner Wed May 17 11:53:51 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA19668; Wed, 17 May 1995 11:53:51 -0700 Received: from peseta.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA19661; Wed, 17 May 1995 11:53:48 -0700 Received: from fireball by peseta.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id LAA00785; Wed, 17 May 1995 11:53:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 11:53:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199505171853.LAA00785@peseta.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: squishy@bga.com (Squishy) From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: More on 660 users... Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Can we be a big happy family again? > I still love you... >On another note, I spoke with Boss/Roland regarding the ROM >upgrade they were supposed to send me. It still hasn't >arrived yet so I decided to call them up and find out what >the heck was going on. They take forever to do anything from what I've heard. I hope your upgrade works. Bye. Rick > > > From dr-660-owner Wed May 17 12:38:26 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA23731; Wed, 17 May 1995 12:38:26 -0700 Received: from atc.boeing.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA23721; Wed, 17 May 1995 12:38:24 -0700 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.57) id AA25355; Wed, 17 May 95 12:46:22 -0700 Received: from hera (hera.hv.boeing.com) by splinter.boeing.com with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA142089410; Wed, 17 May 1995 12:36:50 -0700 Received: by hera (931110.SGI/930416.SGI) for @splinter.boeing.com:dr-660@hyperreal.com id AA20272; Wed, 17 May 95 14:39:22 -0700 From: "Bob Crispen" Message-Id: <9505171439.ZM20270@hera.hv.boeing.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 14:39:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) "Re: More on 660 users..." (May 17, 11:53am) References: <199505171853.LAA00785@peseta.ucdavis.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: More on 660 users... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Speaking of ROM versions, does anyone know the "secret" keys that reveal the ROM version, test the pads and displays, etc? Sorry if this is somewhere obvious, but I didn't find it in the hyperreal site. Bob Crispen revbob@hera.hv.boeing.com From dr-660-owner Thu May 18 02:13:52 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id CAA17798; Thu, 18 May 1995 02:13:52 -0700 Received: from gps1.leeds.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA17786; Thu, 18 May 1995 02:13:40 -0700 Received: from tasc-mailer.leeds.ac.uk (tasc-mailer.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.195.1]) by gps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA03013 for ; Thu, 18 May 1995 10:13:33 +0100 Received: From TASC/WORKQUEUE by tasc-mailer.leeds.ac.uk via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.950518101033.448; 18 May 95 10:52:47 +000 Message-ID: To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: "Stu " Date: 18 May 95 10:10:24 GMT Subject: Strange effects Reply-to: wonnacott@tasc.novell.leeds.ac.uk Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R4). Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello Boss friends, I have this problem and the A team could'nt help..... 1. I use a dr660, sr16, vintage keys, s950 and pc 200 master keyboard hooked up to Cubase V1. It has always worked fine until I set up this drum kit with a alot of reverb on certain sounds (revcym, snares etc) and now, only on this drum kit, I get a pan wooshing effect that plays, only sometimes, when I am continually restarting, stopping and messing with my piece, all I have to do is turn the boss off and on and it stops, but then it just happens again in five minutes. It is something to do with the drum kit but what? I have used chorus and reverb before without a problem. If any one has any kind advice I would be ever so grateful. 2. I also think there should be more 'electronic' drums, I have heard all these so called 'real drums' so many times before on real records, its nice to have new sounds to play with, not sounds that try to be real, when there not. However, I understand that people don't know, or want to pay a real drummer, so a drum machine is ideal. But it would have been nice if there were 2 drum machines, one orientated for 'real' and the other 'dance/trance/techno' or whatever you call your sound. Ltj Bukem, Jungle at its best. .STU. +-----------------------------------+ | WONNACOTT@TASC.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK | +-----------------------------------+ From dr-660-owner Thu May 18 04:51:00 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id EAA25792; Thu, 18 May 1995 04:51:00 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA25785; Thu, 18 May 1995 04:50:58 -0700 Received: from t.hfb.se (txfs1.hfb.se [130.238.197.10]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ju) with SMTP id EAA19406 for ; Thu, 18 May 1995 04:50:53 -0700 Received: from tex1.hfb.se by t.hfb.se (4.1/HFB_T-1.1) id AA27842; Thu, 18 May 95 13:50:20 +0200 Date: Thu, 18 May 95 13:50:19 +0200 From: d93fso@t.hfb.se (Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93) Message-Id: <9505181150.AA27842@t.hfb.se> To: dr-660@cs.washington.edu Subject: Realistic vs. Electronic drums Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > 2. > I also think there should be more 'electronic' drums, I have heard all > these so called 'real drums' so many times before on real records, its nice > to have new sounds to play with, not sounds that try to be real, when > there not. If you don't want all the real drums, then why did you buy the unit in first place? I think "electronic" drum sounds in sample-based drum-machines are often useless. They're only there for "completeness". To get really weird electro-percussion, buy a cheap 12-bit sampler and sample some analog synth or a sample CD. I've made some really interesting stuff with a SH-101. 12 bits are enough for percussion, if the signal-noise ratio is high enough. > However, I understand that people don't know, or want to pay a > real drummer, so a drum machine is ideal. But it would have been nice if > there were 2 drum machines, one orientated for 'real' and the other > 'dance/trance/techno' or whatever you call your sound. But think of all people who want to write Samba songs, or those who uses a lot of latin percussion!!! They would probably like a few more conga sounds and stuff like that. Wouldn't there have to be at least _4_ different models?? One ordinary (for wanna-be grunge rockers) One techno (with Kraftwerk noises) One latin (for Old El-Paso commercials) One oriental (for those of you who have heard the soundtrack to some Anime-films) One... (for people who are bored to death by this meaningless discussion) The thing I could say is that they _should_ have included a few more cymbals and the 909 set of hihats. Buy a sampler, dude. / Fredrik Solenberg From dr-660-owner Thu May 18 07:07:28 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id HAA04311; Thu, 18 May 1995 07:07:28 -0700 Received: from gps1.leeds.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA04290; Thu, 18 May 1995 07:07:20 -0700 Received: from tasc-mailer.leeds.ac.uk (tasc-mailer.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.195.1]) by gps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA26774 for ; Thu, 18 May 1995 15:07:03 +0100 Received: From TASC/WORKQUEUE by tasc-mailer.leeds.ac.uk via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.950518150652.288; 18 May 95 15:46:27 +000 Message-ID: To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: "Stu " Date: 18 May 95 15:06:43 GMT Subject: Realistic vs. Electronic drums Reply-to: wonnacott@tasc.novell.leeds.ac.uk Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R4). Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Buy a sampler, dude. > > / Fredrik Solenberg 1. If you read my message correctly you would have noticed that I have got a sampler, however I agree with what your saying about hihats and cymbals. 2. I bought the damn thing becuase it is the best at price range, after having an Alesis SR16 I apreciated even the 'real' sounds. 3. The thing about the congas and stuff is perhaps beyond point of the argument, and I don't really think there would be enough interst to warrant my fingers typing anymore. 4. It is easy to talk about all this nonsense, I usually keep clear becuase it does'nt get anywhere apart from up our own arse's, my message was mainly about my problem. Bungle in the Jungle .STU. +-----------------------------------+ | WONNACOTT@TASC.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK | +-----------------------------------+ From dr-660-owner Thu May 18 07:50:38 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id HAA06901; Thu, 18 May 1995 07:50:38 -0700 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA06887; Thu, 18 May 1995 07:50:36 -0700 Received: from maria-7i.aip.realtime.net (maria-7i.aip.realtime.net [204.181.160.121]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA28538; Thu, 18 May 1995 09:41:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 09:41:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199505181441.JAA28538@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wonnacott@tasc.novell.leeds.ac.uk From: squishy@bga.com (Squishy) Subject: Re: (Was: Strange effects) THIS IS IT!!!! Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Hello Boss friends, I have this problem and the A team could'nt help..... Hiya, >1. >I use a dr660, sr16, vintage keys, s950 and pc 200 master keyboard hooked >up to Cubase V1. It has always worked fine until I set up this drum kit >with a alot of reverb on certain sounds (revcym, snares etc) and now, only >on this drum kit, I get a pan wooshing effect that plays, only sometimes, >when I am continually restarting, stopping and messing with my piece, all I >have to do is turn the boss off and on and it stops, but then it just >happens again in five minutes. It is something to do with the drum kit but >what? I have used chorus and reverb before without a problem. This is the identical problem I was talking about! >If any one has any kind advice I would be ever so grateful. Sorry, I don't know if there is a solution to the problem. Boss/Roland sent a ROM upgrade out, it should be here today or tomorrow. They don't have this problem documented, but the person I spoke with seems to think the ROM upgrade will stop this problem. I'll keep you posted on the situation. Later... Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Thu May 18 08:59:13 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA12409; Thu, 18 May 1995 08:59:13 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA12401; Thu, 18 May 1995 08:59:10 -0700 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk (sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk [128.86.8.45]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ju) with SMTP id IAA04428 for ; Thu, 18 May 1995 08:59:08 -0700 Via: uk.ac.plymouth.school-of-computing; Thu, 18 May 1995 15:46:22 +0100 Via: [141.163.211.153]; Thu, 18 May 95 15:29:07 BST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 15:50:39 +0100 To: dr-660@cs.washington.edu From: paul@school-of-computing.plymouth.ac.uk (Paul Maguire) Subject: Re: Realistic vs. Electronic drums Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Why are there sooooooooo many instantly skip-over-able fucking TOMS on the 660? Has ANYONE ever done anything interesting with these shit sounds (at three tunings - why when they can be tuned manually? What a waste of rom). And I don't want to know about people who use them as 'real' toms in a pseudo drumkit for obvious reasons. Any magic reverb/chorus/flange/tuning/nuance settings which make these sounds DO something? And hey, I agree wholeheartedly with d93fso@se.hfb.t (Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93) as regards the 909 hats. Why no 909 hats? Hey Frederick, which 12 bit sampler do you use? I want to get one. Anyone know which is a best buy? Handy tip for budding junglists - buy a cheap echo delay box (Boss DE200) and set it at a long delay with lots of feedback, detune the reverse HI-Q sound to -2400, and send it thru it - ahhhhh...... CYA! Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- EZ(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))123 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." Dr. David Banner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dr-660-owner Thu May 18 09:04:17 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA12816; Thu, 18 May 1995 09:04:17 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA12810; Thu, 18 May 1995 09:04:15 -0700 Received: from astro.cs.umass.edu (astro.cs.umass.edu [128.119.40.123]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ju) with ESMTP id JAA05070 for ; Thu, 18 May 1995 09:04:14 -0700 Received: (from barrett@localhost) by astro.cs.umass.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA01793; Thu, 18 May 1995 12:04:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 12:04:11 -0400 From: Daniel Barrett Message-Id: <199505181604.MAA01793@astro.cs.umass.edu> To: dr-660@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: Realistic vs. Electronic drums References: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On May 18, 1995, Paul Maguire wrote: >Why are there sooooooooo many instantly skip-over-able fucking TOMS on the >660? I like the toms that are included in the "JAZZ" preset kit. In all, it's an extremely usable kit -- a very live sound. My complaint about the 660 is the dismal hi-hat cymbals. Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett -- Computer Science Dept, University of MA, Amherst, MA 01003 | | http://zoo.cs.umass.edu/~barrett/public.html -- barrett@cs.umass.edu | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// From dr-660-owner Thu May 18 11:08:34 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA23313; Thu, 18 May 1995 11:08:34 -0700 Received: from peseta.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA23308; Thu, 18 May 1995 11:08:32 -0700 Received: from fireball by peseta.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id LAA03297; Thu, 18 May 1995 11:08:28 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 11:08:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199505181808.LAA03297@peseta.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: Realistic vs. Electronic drums X-Mailer: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Why are there sooooooooo many instantly skip-over-able fucking TOMS on the >660? Has ANYONE ever done anything interesting with these shit sounds (at >three tunings - why when they can be tuned manually? What a waste of rom). >And I don't want to know about people who use them as 'real' toms in a >pseudo drumkit for obvious reasons. Any magic >reverb/chorus/flange/tuning/nuance settings which make these sounds DO >something? > Put the same sound on three different pads, set the pitch of one at +2400, one at +1000 and the other at some interval that sounds harmonically pleasing to your ear and set the sustain thing whatchamacallit to +31. They will sound like synth sounds and not drums. There are alot of things you can do with extreme pitch settings that make it seem like there are alot more sounds in there than you thought. Rick >And hey, I agree wholeheartedly with d93fso@se.hfb.t (Fredrik Solenberg - >HFB T d93) as regards the 909 hats. Why no 909 hats? Hey Frederick, which >12 bit sampler do you use? I want to get one. Anyone know which is a best >buy? > >Handy tip for budding junglists - buy a cheap echo delay box (Boss DE200) >and set it at a long delay with lots of feedback, detune the reverse HI-Q >sound to -2400, and send it thru it - ahhhhh...... > >CYA! Paul. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >EZ(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( >)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) >(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( >)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) >(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( >)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))123 >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >"Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." Dr. David Banner >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > From dr-660-owner Thu May 18 12:52:19 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA01871; Thu, 18 May 1995 12:52:19 -0700 Received: from emh1.mpc.af.mil by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA01829; Thu, 18 May 1995 12:52:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199505181952.MAA01829@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: please, more on 12-bit To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 18 May 95 14:36:48 CDT From: Christian Bradford X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL9] Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > From cbradfor Thu May 18 14:29:39 1995 > Subject: please, more on 12-bit > To: paul@school-of-computing.plymouth.ac.uk (Paul Maguire) > Date: Thu, 18 May 95 14:29:39 CDT > From: Christian Bradford > In-Reply-To: ; from "Paul Maguire" at May 18, 95 3:50 pm > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL9] > > > Paul, > > Looks like junglists are coming out of the woodworks here. Its great to > hear a shout from everyone who is in with the jungle vibe. Especially > here in the states. The more the madder. > > > Hey Frederick, which > > 12 bit sampler do you use? I want to get one. Anyone know which is a best > > buy? > > > Sorry to stray from the 660 path, but I too am interested in a 12-bit > sampler and would appreciate any information anyone has towards this > end. > (does 12-bit neccessarily include older samplers like prophet 2000s?) > > > > > Handy tip for budding junglists - buy a cheap echo delay box (Boss DE200) > > and set it at a long delay with lots of feedback, detune the reverse HI-Q > > sound to -2400, and send it thru it - ahhhhh...... > > > I will definitely try this (as soon as I get off work). > > > Christian Bradford > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't had my e-mail long. Does everyone put something down here? > From dr-660-owner Thu May 18 22:39:35 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA12485; Thu, 18 May 1995 22:39:35 -0700 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA12478; Thu, 18 May 1995 22:39:32 -0700 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA21804; Fri, 19 May 1995 01:39:27 +0500 Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 01:39:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Harris To: Daniel Barrett Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: 660 users... In-Reply-To: <199505170350.XAA29342@astro.cs.umass.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1177 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > On May 16, 1995, Mike Brown wrote: > >So.. the 660 can be successfully used for things besides electronic music. > > I use the DR-660 exclusively for the realistic drum sounds. > I record all my drum parts with no quantization (or very little) and > lots of dynamic changes. The result is very, very close to what an > actual drummer could do -- I've fooled listeners with it. :-) > > I'd love to have a real drummer who could read my mind and > play exactly what I want. For now, a machine will do. > > Dan My Brotha, you could not have said it any better... as I say sometimes, this will be interpretted by me as a damn Gospel. :) Later all, and I give my warmest to Dan for "reading my mind". :) Razorguts ************************ Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ************************ | Specialize in guitar, arranging, and producing. Intense Rock/Metal/Trance | | Main Equipment: Ibanez RG570, Fender Pro185, DigiTech RP-1, Roland Dr660, | | Yahama MT120s, Yamaha DX100, Lincoln Bass, and more...... | ********** For Demos: FTP Hyperreal.Com /incoming/sounds/razorguts ********** From dr-660-owner Fri May 19 02:06:01 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id CAA24227; Fri, 19 May 1995 02:06:01 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA24221; Fri, 19 May 1995 02:05:58 -0700 Received: from t.hfb.se (txfs1.hfb.se [130.238.197.10]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ju) with SMTP id CAA18530 for ; Fri, 19 May 1995 02:05:54 -0700 Received: from tex9.hfb.se by t.hfb.se (4.1/HFB_T-1.1) id AA15609; Fri, 19 May 95 11:05:18 +0200 From: d93fso@t.hfb.se (Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93) Message-Id: <9505190905.AA15609@t.hfb.se> Subject: Re: please, more on 12-bit To: cbradfor@emh1.mpc.af.mil (Christian Bradford) Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 11:05:16 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: dr-660@cs.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199505181952.MAA01829@taz.hyperreal.com> from "Christian Bradford" at May 18, 95 02:36:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1388 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Hey Frederick, which > > > 12 bit sampler do you use? I want to get one. Anyone know which is a best > > > buy? > > > > Sorry to stray from the 660 path, but I too am interested in a 12-bit > > sampler and would appreciate any information anyone has towards this > > end. > > (does 12-bit neccessarily include older samplers like prophet 2000s?) Dunno about the prophet 2000. I have used a Roland S-10 for a few weeks now, and I think it's a great instrument, IMHO. The only drag is that the unusual 2.8" disks that sounds are saved on are very expensive (compared to 3.5") and that the memory isn't very big. But for sampling 2-bar loops and a few analog leads and arpeggio sounds, it's amazingly easy to work with. Didn't even have to open the manual. A year ago I had a Korg DSS-1 that I borrowed from a friend. Stay away from this sucker! The sound quality is *nothing* compared to the S-10. I never thought that there could be such a difference between two samplers with the same resolution. The user interface on the Korg was the worst one I've ever had to deal with... the only good thing about it was that it contained an analog synth, too. And with samples fed thru the analog filters and digital delays, nice noises and synth sounds came out, but all sampling efforts were useless. / Fredrik Solenberg From dr-660-owner Fri May 26 22:08:01 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA06518; Fri, 26 May 1995 22:08:01 -0700 Received: from beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA06506; Fri, 26 May 1995 22:07:57 -0700 Received: from mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu [128.111.148.100]) by beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu (MCL.UCSB.EDU-HPUX-1.0-b) with ESMTP id WAA24213 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 22:07:57 -0700 Received: by mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (8.6.12) id WAA03219; Fri, 26 May 1995 22:07:57 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 22:07:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Ted Read To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Programming breakbeat Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Can anyone give me some clues about how to program a breakbeat using step write? I've tried using real time but i'm not talented enough to tap it in without quantization and quantization messes up the flow of the beat. That leaves step write. But i can't figure out the timing on it. Thanks for any help, -ted (ucore@mcl.ucsb.edu) From dr-660-owner Wed May 31 08:05:51 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA10569; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:05:51 -0700 Received: from peseta.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA10562; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:05:49 -0700 Received: from fireball by peseta.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id IAA02042; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:05:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:05:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199505311505.IAA02042@peseta.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: Programming breakbeat X-Mailer: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Can anyone give me some clues about how to program a breakbeat using step >write? I've tried using real time but i'm not talented enough to tap it >in without quantization and quantization messes up the flow of the beat. >That leaves step write. But i can't figure out the timing on it. > >Thanks for any help, >-ted (ucore@mcl.ucsb.edu) > I've done it before, but I don't have the actual info readily available, but I'd like to know if someone does. Rick From dr-660-owner Mon Jun 5 19:39:30 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id TAA26359; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:39:30 -0700 Received: from er5.rutgers.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA26353; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:39:28 -0700 Received: (from jaslin@localhost) by er5.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) id WAA16502 for DR-660@hyperreal.com; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 22:39:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 22:39:28 EDT From: Jasper Lin To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: new ROM chip upgrade? Message-ID: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I remember people mentioning that there was a new ROM upgrade for the 660. What I don't remember is what the new chip adds to the machine. What needed to be fixed? Thanks, Jasper From dr-660-owner Tue Jun 20 11:17:22 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA02880; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:17:22 -0700 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA02832; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:17:13 -0700 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA02281; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:17:05 +0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:17:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Harris To: Mike Perkowitz Cc: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Assignable Outputs... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 743 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Readers, Hey Ive read at some plces about the 660's outputs, and how you can assign any drum sound to them... how do I go about doing this? I havent really tinkered with it yet, but I figured Id ask you guys first to see how it is supposed to be done before I go in there looking around. :) And, also, about the FX in the 660... How do I access the dealy? I can access the flange, chorus, and reverb, but it sys that delay can be added to any sound... help someone!! :) Thanks guys Razorguts PS- why has this mailing list been so dead lately?? Are we all gettin tired of our 660's already? I hope not.. :) ***** Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ***** ----------------------------- From dr-660-owner Tue Jun 20 11:27:48 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA03661; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:27:48 -0700 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA03656; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:27:46 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id LAA11385; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:27:43 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:27:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: Assignable Outputs... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Hey Ive read at some plces about the 660's outputs, and how you > can assign any drum sound to them... how do I go about doing this? I it's kinda weird. unfortunately i dont have the manual with me and cant quite remember. the annoying thing is you have to do two things: assign the sound to INDIV1 or INDIV2 for the pan parameter (while editing the kit) and then assign its output level to the output. oy. as i recall, you pretend you're setting its reverb (or chorus) level, and then you push the right cursor key so it shows INDIV1 (or two) and set the level. or something like that. this makes some slight amount of sense because each extra output is without one of the effects. INDIV1 has no reverb and INDIV2 has no chorus. or vice-versa, i forget. i'll check my manual when i'm home if no one else posts anything. > And, also, about the FX in the 660... How do I access the dealy? I can > access the flange, chorus, and reverb, but it sys that delay can be added > to any sound... help someone!! :) Thanks guys the delay is just a reverb setting. there are 5 (?) reverb types: hall, room, plate, delay, pan-delay. in the fx setting menus, set it to one of the last two and then twiddle with the delay time. the pan-delay is sometimes a lot of fun, especially if you're using outboard reverb anyway. > PS- why has this mailing list been so dead lately?? Are we all gettin > tired of our 660's already? I hope not.. :) what do you mean "already"? i've had my 660 for umm a coupla years now :) actually, i dont have it at the moment. my partner's borrowing it. i'm itching to get it back and play some nice conga patterns though. i'm getting tired of my 606/909 all the time. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 13. With chocolate there's no need to fake it. -- from the Top Twenty Reasons Chocolate is Better than Sex ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Thu Jun 22 04:09:08 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id EAA00239; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 04:09:08 -0700 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA00234; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 04:09:06 -0700 Via: uk.ac.plymouth.school-of-computing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:08:46 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:47:52 BST Via: [141.163.211.153]; Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:47:53 BST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mike Perkowitz , DR-660 Mailing List From: paul@school-of-computing.plymouth.ac.uk (Paul Maguire) Subject: 606 sounds like... Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:27 am 20/6/95, Mike Perkowitz wrote: >i'm getting tired of my 606/909 all the time. I know it's a bit off the beaten track but... What does a 606 actually sound like? I know the 909, but the 606? Never heard one... What kind of sounds? Editable? Interesting? Shit? Does it have midi? CYA! Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Each word I tell you is stupid and false." Marcel Duchamp. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dr-660-owner Thu Jun 22 09:11:00 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA10401; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:11:00 -0700 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA10396; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:10:57 -0700 Received: from [140.174.95.102] (hudsucker.cyborganic.com [140.174.95.102]) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA20100 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:09:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:09:06 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: jsd@cyborganic.com (Jon Drukman) Subject: Re: 606 sounds like... Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 10:47 AM 6/22/95, Paul Maguire wrote: >What does a 606 actually sound like? I know the 909, but the 606? Never >heard one... > >What kind of sounds? Editable? Interesting? Shit? Does it have midi? sounds like a thinner version of the 808, basically. no midi, just din-sync. it looks like the 303 (they were intended to be used together.) -- Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://www.cyborganic.com/People/jsd From dr-660-owner Thu Jun 22 11:33:24 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA17542; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:33:24 -0700 Received: from walt.disney.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA17534; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:33:22 -0700 From: ericac@fa.disney.com Received: from dalsdb by walt.disney.com with SMTP id AA08372 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.3 for dr-660@hyperreal.com); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:33:19 -0700 Received: from oilspot.fa.disney.com by dalsdb with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #53) id m0sOqVN-000015C; Thu, 22 Jun 95 10:57 PDT Received: from nakoma.fa.disney.com by oilspot.fa.disney.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #53) id m0sOqVP-0003zDC; Thu, 22 Jun 95 10:57 PDT Received: by nakoma.fa.disney.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #53) id m0sOqVX-0001kXC; Thu, 22 Jun 95 10:57 PDT Message-Id: <9506221057.ZM1597@nakoma> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:57:39 -0700 In-Reply-To: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com "Re: 606 sounds like..." (Jun 22, 9:09am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (2.1.4 02apr93) To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: 606 sounds like... Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >What does a 606 actually sound like? I know the 909, but the 606? Never Whimpy kick drum...most defining sound is probably the raspy raspy raspy open hi-hat. From dr-660-owner Mon Jun 26 13:58:55 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA25866; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:58:55 -0700 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA25844; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:58:51 -0700 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA17303; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:58:49 +0500 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:58:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Harris To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Stupid Question about the 660... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 578 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Readers, Hey, has anyone noticed that when you are assigning sounds to the pads that, let's say you hit the bass drum pad, and then hit the "enter" button, the enter button activates that same sound as the pad previously hit? Just curious about this, because if that serves as some purpose, Id like to know. If you havent tried it, try it out... just go into assign mode and hit any pad, and then hit the "enter" button... Thanks, Razorguts ***** Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ***** ----------------------------- From dr-660-owner Mon Jun 26 14:24:39 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA26865; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:24:39 -0700 Received: from firewall.island.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA26858; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:24:37 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by firewall.island.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA03802 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:28:32 -0700 Received: from island.island.com(199.4.85.1) by firewall via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma003796; Mon Jun 26 14:27:45 1995 Received: from saipan by island.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA05334; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:23:04 +0800 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:23:04 +0800 Message-Id: <9506262123.AA05334@island.com> X-Sender: kin@island.island.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: DR-660@hyperreal.com From: kin@island.com (Kin Blas) Subject: Re: Stupid Question about the 660... X-Mailer: content-length: 757 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think it's supposed to do that ... that way, you can try out the other sounds in the kit that aren't assigned to a pad. >Readers, > Hey, has anyone noticed that when you are assigning sounds to the pads >that, let's say you hit the bass drum pad, and then hit the "enter" button, >the enter button activates that same sound as the pad previously hit? >Just curious about this, because if that serves as some purpose, Id like >to know. If you havent tried it, try it out... just go into assign mode >and hit any pad, and then hit the "enter" button... > > Thanks, > Razorguts > > ***** Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ***** > ----------------------------- > > > --== Kin Blas ==-- kin@island.com From dr-660-owner Mon Jun 26 14:33:37 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA27255; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:33:37 -0700 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA27248; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:33:35 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id OAA27778; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:33:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:33:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: Stupid Question about the 660... In-Reply-To: <9506262123.AA05334@island.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I think it's supposed to do that ... that way, you can try out > the other sounds in the kit that aren't assigned to a pad. that is to say, i think what you're hearing is not the last pad you hit, but the "other" sounds -- the 17 (?) ones not assigned to any pad. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I am accustoming myself to the idea of regarding every sexual act as a process in which four persons are involved. We shall have a lot to discuss about that. -- S. Freud, Letters ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/~tint From dr-660-owner Wed Jun 28 04:23:52 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id EAA17742; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 04:23:52 -0700 Received: from gps1.leeds.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA17729; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 04:23:44 -0700 Received: from tasc5.tasc.ac.uk (TASC5.tasc.ac.uk [192.190.201.9]) by gps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA19057 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 12:23:38 +0100 Received: From TASC/WORKQUEUE by tasc5.tasc.ac.uk via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.950628123328.384; 28 Jun 95 12:33:42 +500 Message-ID: To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: "Stu " Organization: Trinity & All Saints College Date: 28 Jun 95 12:33:22 GMT Subject: Re: Stupid Question about the 660... Reply-to: wonnacott@tasc.novell.leeds.ac.uk Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R4). Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > I think it's supposed to do that ... that way, you can try out > > the other sounds in the kit that aren't assigned to a pad. > > that is to say, i think what you're hearing is not the last pad you hit, > but the "other" sounds -- the 17 (?) ones not assigned to any pad. > The extra 17 pads assignments are only controllable by midi but they can be heard and effects, panning, volume etc can be changed by pressing enter and then scrolling through the 17 assignments with the left/right arrows. I am sorry if this has already been said but my mailer has only just come back on. bye .STU. +------------------------+ | WONNACOTT@TASC.AC.UK | +------------------------+ From dr-660-owner Sun Jul 2 11:57:31 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA23158; Sun, 2 Jul 1995 11:57:31 -0700 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA23153; Sun, 2 Jul 1995 11:57:29 -0700 Received: from edwin-b1.aip.realtime.net (edwin-b1.aip.realtime.net [204.96.1.106]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA25631 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 1995 13:57:24 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 13:57:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199507021857.NAA25631@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: squishy@bga.com (HitInTheHeadAtWack-A-Mole) Subject: Kawai R-50 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yeah I know, it's not a DR-660, but I figure this is a good place to ask about it. I picked one up yesterday and I was wondering if anyone out there has one that can answer some questions for me. Thanks. Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Sun Jul 2 14:24:12 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA01006; Sun, 2 Jul 1995 14:24:12 -0700 Received: from martha.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA01001; Sun, 2 Jul 1995 14:24:10 -0700 Received: by martha.utcc.utk.edu (5.0/2.7c-UTK) id AA10418; Sun, 2 Jul 1995 17:24:03 +0500 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 17:24:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Harris To: HitInTheHeadAtWack-A-Mole Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Kawai R-50 In-Reply-To: <199507021857.NAA25631@zoom.bga.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 928 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Jul 1995, HitInTheHeadAtWack-A-Mole wrote: > Yeah I know, it's not a DR-660, but I figure this > is a good place to ask about it. > > I picked one up yesterday and I was wondering if > anyone out there has one that can answer some > questions for me. > > Thanks. > > Vince. > Squishy Records Vince, Heehe, long time no see since our discussion of Jungle music over on SEraves. But, hope you get some info. on your drum machine, Im sure someone here uses another machine besides a 660... later! Razorguts ************************ Aharris@Martha.Utcc.Utk.Edu ************************ | Specialize in guitar, arranging, and producing. Intense Rock/Metal/Trance | | Main Equipment: Ibanez RG570, Fender Pro185, DigiTech RP-1, Roland Dr660, | | Yahama MT120s, Yamaha DX100, Lincoln Bass, and more...... | ********** For Demos: FTP Hyperreal.Com /incoming/sounds/razorguts ********** From dr-660-owner Wed Jul 5 20:40:35 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA28143; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 20:40:35 -0700 Received: from HARVARDA.HARVARD.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA28127; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 20:40:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199507060340.UAA28127@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from physics1.byu.edu by HARVARDA.HARVARD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 05 Jul 95 23:29:44 EDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 21:29:38 -0600 To: analogue@hyperreal.com, analogue-digest@hyperreal.com, dr-660@hyperreal.com, idm@hyperreal.com, idm-digest@hyperreal.com From: David@wishes.to.remain.anonymous.UA Subject: your romance ad in USSR Oe R * A bS< a (Unverified) Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ## meet women of the former USSR through romance ads ## Months ago, Olga Kosmina placed my personal ad in several papers of the former Soviet Union. Since that time I have received over 40 responses for the $50 I mailed Olga. (I believe she paid the newspapers something around $35 and kept the rest for her efforts.) I have found greater success and savings by placing my own personal romance advertisement rather than purchasing addresses through Russian "bride" catalog companies. If you are interested in placing a personal romance ad as I did, contact Olga. She has built up a list of most every newspaper and magazine in the former Soviet Union and could help direct your ad to certain areas if you wish. She writes, "please say that I place all ad _throughout_ Russia and other countries of former Soviet Union, not only Western Russia." Olga is 23 years old, has a bachelors in biology and works full-time as a florist in Kiev. She speaks, reads and writes English as well as her native languages of Russian and Ukrainian. I realize that it is a very trusting person who would put $ into an envelope and mail to a foreign country. If you would rather send a letter of inquiry first, Olga will respond to your questions. It takes about 16 days for a letter to travel from the USA to Kiev. Olga Kozmina Dekabristov Street 5 - 178 Kiev 253121 Ukraine I have found that by placing a single bill between two pieces of newsprint inside an envelope, the Ukrainian post cannot see through and does not bother to tamper. I have yet to lose a letter sent to Kiev. I am sorry that Olga does not have e-mail because it would make contact with her much easier. I am posting anonymously because of the inordinate amount of e-mail which I would receive -- inquiries as well as flames. Best Wishes, David and Olga Although Olga has never seen a newsgroup nor heard of "net-etiquette," she believes that helping others exceeds the cost of angering those who feel the net should not be used in this fashion. IHA (I humbly ask) that you not flame the postmaster of this site. peace. . . From dr-660-owner Wed Jul 5 21:12:31 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA00100; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 21:12:31 -0700 Received: from sol.UVic.CA by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA29994; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 21:12:27 -0700 Received: by sol.UVic.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1.3-UVic-2.66MX) id AA14613; Wed, 5 Jul 95 21:13:04 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 21:13:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Lorne Hammond To: David@wishes.to.remain.anonymous.UA Cc: analogue@hyperreal.com, analogue-digest@hyperreal.com, dr-660@hyperreal.com, idm@hyperreal.com, idm-digest@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: your romance ad in USSR Oe R * A bS< a (Unverified) In-Reply-To: <199507060340.UAA28127@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk That's it. I vote closed list. lorne lhammond@sol.uvic.ca On Wed, 5 Jul 1995 David@wishes.to.remain.anonymous.UA wrote: > > ## meet women of the former USSR through romance ads ## > > Months ago, Olga Kosmina placed my personal ad in several papers of the > former Soviet Union. Since that time I have received over 40 responses for > the $50 I mailed Olga. (I believe she paid the newspapers something around > $35 and kept the rest for her efforts.) > I have found greater success and savings by placing my own personal > romance advertisement rather than purchasing addresses through Russian "bride" > catalog companies. > If you are interested in placing a personal romance ad as I did, contact > Olga. She has built up a list of most every newspaper and magazine in the > former Soviet Union and could help direct your ad to certain areas if you > wish. She writes, "please say that I place all ad _throughout_ Russia and > other countries of former Soviet Union, not only Western Russia." > Olga is 23 years old, has a bachelors in biology and works full-time as a > florist in Kiev. She speaks, reads and writes English as well as her native > languages of Russian and Ukrainian. > I realize that it is a very trusting person who would put $ into an > envelope and mail to a foreign country. If you would rather send a letter of > inquiry first, Olga will respond to your questions. It takes about 16 days > for a letter to travel from the USA to Kiev. > > Olga Kozmina > Dekabristov Street 5 - 178 > Kiev 253121 > Ukraine > > I have found that by placing a single bill between two pieces of > newsprint inside an envelope, the Ukrainian post cannot see through and does > not bother to tamper. I have yet to lose a letter sent to Kiev. I am sorry > that Olga does not have e-mail because it would make contact with her much > easier. > I am posting anonymously because of the inordinate amount of e-mail which > I would receive -- inquiries as well as flames. > > Best Wishes, > > David and Olga > > Although Olga has never seen a newsgroup nor heard of "net-etiquette," > she believes that helping others exceeds the cost of angering those who feel > the net should not be used in this fashion. > IHA (I humbly ask) that you not flame the postmaster of this site. > > peace. . . > > From dr-660-owner Thu Jul 20 19:30:25 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA27905; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 19:30:25 -0700 Received: from UTEPVM.EP.UTEXAS.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA27896; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 19:30:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199507210230.TAA27896@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from physics1.byu.edu by UTEPVM.EP.UTEXAS.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 20 Jul 95 20:30:26 MDT Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 19:33:44 -0700 To: ambient-digest@hyperreal.com, analogue@hyperreal.com, analogue-digest@hyperreal.com, dr-660@hyperreal.com, idm@hyperreal.com From: romance@in.the.former.USSR.ua Subject: letter from Olga! =) (Unverified) Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Not to long ago, I posted a message re: meeting women of the former soviet union through romance ads. In August, Olga will travel to Moscow from her home in Kiev, Ukraine. In Moscow, Olga will have a much easier and cost efficient means to place your personal romance ad throughout Russia. Last week I received the following from Olga: "I have already sent your ad to the papers in such towns: Moscow, St. Petersburg, Vladimir, Kazan. At nearest future I will send your ad to the paper in some more 12 towns of Russia, where papers are published. Some times (in winter, spring & now) I placed your ad in other papers, but they are not most popular paper in Moscow and some large cities of Russia. Besides, I am continuing to place your ad in papers of Ukraine. I promise to place your ad in some other papers when I will come to Moscow in August. I am glad that you have received fairly many letters from Russian & Ukrainian girls and I think you will received some more ones and will find your ideal in my country soon. I thank you very much ones more for your kindness & your help. My best wishes, Olga" This isn't a scam - call it panhandling if you want. . . I sent her $40 or $50 and I've received over 45 responses. Unlike placing romance ads in the U.S., women from the former USSR respond. Although one would guess the are doing so in the hopes of American citizenship, I haven't found it so. Olga lives in Kiev, Ukraine (population 3 million) and will travel to Moscow in August to visit her father. If you were to send a letter this week, she would receive it in time. The population of Moscow is 10 million -- (3 times the size of Los Angeles.) Feel free to send a letter and ask her your questions. She will be happy to respond. Olga's address: Ukraine Kiev 253121 Dekabristov Street 5 - 178 Olga Kozmina I am posting anonymously because of the flames and volume of inquiries that would result otherwise. I think those who are truely interested will take the time to write. _____________________________________________________________________________ To: probable flamer Subject: polite note Although Olga has never seen a newsgroup nor heard of "net-etiquette," she believes that offering lonely singles the possibility of romance exceeds the cost of angering those who feel the net shouldn't be used in this fashion. IHA (I humbly ask) that you not flame the postmaster of this site. peace. . . From dr-660-owner Fri Sep 1 10:51:44 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA19642; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:51:44 -0700 Received: from InfoShare.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA19637; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:51:42 -0700 Received: from zeus.amberdon.com ([198.53.214.233]) by InfoShare.Net with smtp id m0soaHD-0004OeC; Fri, 1 Sep 95 13:53 EDT Date: Fri, 1 Sep 95 13:53 EDT Received: from [132.147.160.232] by zeus.amberdon.com id aa09704; 1 Sep 95 13:51 EDT X-Sender: johna@zeus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: John Audette X-Mailer: Message-ID: <9509011351.aa09704@zeus.amberdon.com> Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anybody who feels like letting me in on some swell tricks for this machine, please feel free. This is my first time with the DR-660 subscription, and I am very surprised to see a forum specifically for this drum machine. John Audette Amberdon Systems Ltd. From dr-660-owner Fri Sep 1 14:03:21 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA09419; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:03:21 -0700 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA09414; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:03:19 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id OAA12523; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:03:14 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:03:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <9509011351.aa09704@zeus.amberdon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Anybody who feels like letting me in on some swell tricks for this > machine, please feel free. This is my first time with the DR-660 > subscription, and I am very surprised to see a forum specifically for this > drum machine. you'll be much less surprised when you realize how little traffic we get here. ;) swell tricks? depends on what you want to do. i like pitch-shifting the sounds around (808 conga works well) and making melodies. pitching some of the weirder sounds really low for strange sub-bass noises. and pitching the kicks up for weird snares. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/machines/ From dr-660-owner Fri Sep 1 14:49:54 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA13208; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:49:54 -0700 Received: from ibm.MtSAC.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA13199; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:49:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199509012149.OAA13199@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from IBM.MTSAC.EDU by ibm.MtSAC.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4507; Fri, 01 Sep 95 14:48:18 PDT Date: Fri, 01 Sep 95 14:46:42 PDT From: Scott <1SHW1010@ibm.MtSAC.edu> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Subject: Pitch Shifting... To: DR-660@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: dr-660-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Actually, changing the pitch on many of the sounds (and using the chorus/flange) is what I enjoy the most on the Dr-660. You can get some really interesting sounds by taking the pitch down on, for instance, the 808 Cowbell... Maybe somebody will find a revolutionary new sound on the 660 and it'll become the 303. :P From dr-660-owner Fri Sep 1 20:33:34 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA09746; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 20:33:34 -0700 Received: from merlion.singnet.com.sg by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA09651; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 20:31:19 -0700 Received: from [165.21.1.91] (usr-01.singnet.com.sg [165.21.1.91]) by merlion.singnet.com.sg (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA13913 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 11:30:28 +0800 X-Sender: khewss@singnet.com.sg (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 11:33:40 +0800 To: DR-660@hyperreal.com From: khewss@singnet.com.sg (Khew Sin Sun) Subject: Re: Pitch Shifting... Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >You can get some really interesting sounds by taking the pitch down >on, for instance, the 808 Cowbell... Shifting the Tambourine to its lowest available pitch also gives a dark percussive sound :-) Khew ======================================== http://merlion.singnet.com.sg/~khewss/ ======================================== From dr-660-owner Sat Sep 2 08:31:55 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA27906; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:31:55 -0700 Received: from cfxfs1.hfb.se by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA27901; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:31:46 -0700 Received: from t.hfb.se (txfs1.hfb.se) by cfxfs1.hfb.se with SMTP id AA15704 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for dr-660@hyperreal.com); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 17:25:26 +0200 Received: from tex17.hfb.se by t.hfb.se (5.x/HFB_BLG-1.2) id AA08150; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 17:30:49 +0200 Received: by tex17.hfb.se (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11936; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 17:29:20 +0200 From: d93fso@txfs1.hfb.se (Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93) Message-Id: <9509021529.AA11936@tex17.hfb.se> Subject: Re: your mail (fwd) To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 17:29:18 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Forwarded message: [blahblahblah deleted] > swell tricks? depends on what you want to do. i like pitch-shifting the > sounds around (808 conga works well) and making melodies. pitching some > of the weirder sounds really low for strange sub-bass noises. and > pitching the kicks up for weird snares. [blahblahblah deleted] Gee, mike! Does everything have to be weird to be swell??!! The best "trick" I know of is using all four outputs, so that the kicks and snares can be distorted or flanged externally. Try feeding the sounds thru a modified SH-101, and we are talking about really strange sounds!!! Well.. most weird things do wipe out the competition... / Fredrik Solenberg From dr-660-owner Thu Sep 7 12:29:38 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA03957; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:29:38 -0700 Received: from InfoShare.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA03951; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:29:33 -0700 Received: from zeus.amberdon.com ([198.53.214.233]) by InfoShare.Net with smtp id m0sqmdW-0004YSC; Thu, 7 Sep 95 15:29 EDT Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 15:29 EDT Received: from [132.147.160.232] by zeus.amberdon.com id aa20283; 7 Sep 95 15:28 EDT X-Sender: johna@zeus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: John Audette Subject: help needed! X-Mailer: Message-ID: <9509071528.aa20283@zeus.amberdon.com> Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Although I am an owner of a DR-660, this is cry for help to anyone who knows anything about the Roland S-760 sampler, or some leads on an E-mail address for technical information regarding its operating system. John Audette Amberdon Systems Ltd. From dr-660-owner Sun Sep 24 07:16:15 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA29709; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 07:16:15 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA29702; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 07:16:12 -0700 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ju) with ESMTP id HAA07073 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 07:16:11 -0700 Received: from J_Alea.usit.net (arcade-slip9.dynamic.usit.net [199.1.54.25]) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA12678 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 10:09:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199509241409.KAA12678@use.usit.net> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 95 09:20:02 -0500 From: "J. Alea" X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2b4 (Windows; I; 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dr-660@cs.washington.edu Subject: DR-660 File for Cakewalk 3.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wondering if there is a definition file for the DR-660 drum machine available out there for the Cakewalk 3.0 sequencer for Windows...?? Any help would ber appreciated. From dr-660-owner Sun Sep 24 17:40:51 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA04081; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:40:51 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA04072; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:40:49 -0700 Received: from beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu (beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu [128.111.148.107]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ju) with ESMTP id RAA01886 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:40:47 -0700 Received: from mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu [128.111.148.100]) by beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu (MCL.UCSB.EDU-HPUX-1.0-b) with ESMTP id RAA17235 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:40:46 -0700 Received: by mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (8.6.12) id RAA18444; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:40:49 -0700 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:40:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ted Read To: dr-660@cs.washington.edu Subject: Editor/librarian for dr-660 In-Reply-To: <199509241409.KAA12678@use.usit.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Along the lines of that last question... is there a particular software program for editing sounds on the dr-660 via computer (Macintosh)? And (I don't know too much about this stuff yet) how does one go about doing a sysex dump? Do you dump it into a sequencing program (I'm planning on getting Cubase and a PowerMac 8500) or what? Thanks for your time, Ted From dr-660-owner Fri Sep 29 01:11:02 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA28041; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 01:11:02 -0700 Received: from itata.disca.utfsm.cl by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA28026; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 01:10:53 -0700 Received: from ([146.83.198.40]) by itata.disca.utfsm.cl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA15445 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 04:12:44 GMT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 04:12:44 GMT Message-Id: <199509290412.EAA15445@itata.disca.utfsm.cl> X-Sender: fsound@itata.disca.utfsm.cl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: DR-660@hyperreal.com From: fsound@itata.disca.utfsm.cl (Marcelo Aravena) Subject: House kick drum .. X-Mailer: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi !! I bought my DR-660 one week ago, and I tried with all drumkits looking for a good, big kick drum for house or techno music.. I like those kicks used by Ice Mc, Corona, La Bouche..mainly HiNrg Music. I think that I must to edit some of pre-recorded kick drums, but wich ? and how ?? If you can tell me what kick drum to use and what settings for pitch, nuance, etc.. Bye. Marcelo From dr-660-owner Fri Sep 29 06:23:17 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA16689; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 06:23:17 -0700 Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA16652; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 06:22:55 -0700 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:21:32 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) id OAA13429; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:22:43 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:22:43 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Gibson X-Sender: isg100@tower.york.ac.uk To: Marcelo Aravena cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: House kick drum .. In-Reply-To: <199509290412.EAA15445@itata.disca.utfsm.cl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes, I would be interested in people's opinions as to a good big kick drum. Some of the kicks seem to be a bit weak for my tastes. - Ian * Ian Gibson * isg100@unix.york.ac.uk * http://www.york.ac.uk/~isg100/ * * Music Technology Research, University Of York, UK * On Fri, 29 Sep 1995, Marcelo Aravena wrote: > Hi !! > > I bought my DR-660 one week ago, and I tried with all drumkits looking > for a good, big kick drum for house or techno music.. > I like those kicks used by Ice Mc, Corona, La Bouche..mainly HiNrg > Music. > I think that I must to edit some of pre-recorded kick drums, but wich ? > and how ?? > If you can tell me what kick drum to use and what settings for pitch, nuance, > etc.. > > Bye. > > Marcelo > From dr-660-owner Fri Sep 29 07:34:24 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA20771; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:34:24 -0700 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA20763; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:34:21 -0700 Received: from [204.162.86.102] (hudsucker.cyborganic.com [204.162.86.102]) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id HAA23564 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:34:12 -0700 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:34:12 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: DR-660@hyperreal.com From: jsd@cyborganic.com (Jon Drukman) Subject: Re: House kick drum .. Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 1:22 PM 9/29/95, Ian Gibson wrote: >Yes, I would be interested in people's opinions as to a good big kick >drum. Some of the kicks seem to be a bit weak for my tastes. i use the tr909 kick through a good outboard compressor and some tasteful EQ. nothing in the 660 on its own will blow you away, you're gonna need outboard gear to really get a professional sound. -- Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://www.cyborganic.com/People/jsd From dr-660-owner Fri Sep 29 07:58:47 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA22329; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:58:47 -0700 Received: from InfoShare.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA22323; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:58:45 -0700 Received: from zeus.amberdon.com ([198.53.214.233]) by InfoShare.Net with smtp id m0sygtm-0004OmC; Fri, 29 Sep 95 10:58 EDT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 10:58 EDT Received: from [132.147.160.232] by zeus.amberdon.com id aa14198; 29 Sep 95 10:51 EDT X-Sender: johna@zeus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: "John A. Audette" Subject: 660 kicks X-Mailer: Message-ID: <9509291051.aa14198@zeus.amberdon.com> Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk To get interesting kick sounds I find that using the toms, pitched real low, gives a good effect. As well the room kick (i think) with the decay set to max gives a real good drone effect, where the decay period seems to bring the pitch down slightly, giving it more feel. For sparse house kicks alter the 909 and the 909 hard with shortening of the decay period. For added coolness, if your mixer has a trim knob, set this to max and adjust the line volume for appropriate levels. This gives it a real ruff edge (with the 909) that sounds good in minimal mix. Why didn't the machine come with the full 909 kit? When I bought it I assumed it did - that really bugged me. John A. Audette Amberdon Systems Ltd. From dr-660-owner Fri Sep 29 09:59:31 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA03687; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:59:31 -0700 Received: from huey by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA03671; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:59:27 -0700 From: ericac@fa.disney.com Received: from dalsdb by huey (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA03336; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:57:58 -0700 Received: from oilspot.fa.disney.com by dalsdb with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #53) id m0syimY-00000nC; Fri, 29 Sep 95 09:59 PDT Received: from nakoma.fa.disney.com by oilspot.fa.disney.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #53) id m0syima-0009CtC; Fri, 29 Sep 95 09:59 PDT Received: by nakoma.fa.disney.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #53) id m0syimY-0002MaC; Fri, 29 Sep 95 09:59 PDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 09:59 PDT To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: 660 kicks Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Why didn't the machine come with the full 909 kit? When I bought it I assumed it did - that really bugged me. Yah...I played with a friends for a bit, and if I remember right, the only 909 sounds it had was kick and snare....I think the clap was the 808...anyway, none of those beautifully grungy 909 hi hats..... Something that seems like bullshit to me but i can't deny that I notice: my real analogue 909 sounds better on recordings than samples...more 'punchy' and 'thick'. Am i fooling myself or does someone have a scientific explanation? -amErica "if there's a pole planted in your back then you're a corn-dog" ericac@fa.disney.com From dr-660-owner Fri Sep 29 10:26:11 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA05626; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:26:11 -0700 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA05618; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:26:07 -0700 Received: from hudsucker.opcode.com (firewall.opcode.com [204.118.203.2]) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA25272 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:21:44 -0700 X-Mailer: InterCon TCP/Connect II 2.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9509291021.AA46967@hudsucker.opcode.com> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:21:46 -0800 From: "Jon Drukman" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: 660 kicks Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Yah...I played with a friends for a bit, and if I remember > right, the only 909 sounds it had was kick and snare... yes. > I think the > clap was the 808...anyway, none of those beautifully grungy 909 hi > hats... yes, it has 808 hats but not 909 hats. > Something that seems like bullshit to me but i can't deny that > I notice: my real analogue 909 sounds better on recordings than > samples...more 'punchy' and 'thick'. Am i fooling myself or does > someone have a scientific explanation? not bullshit at all. it depends on your sampler to some extent of course. fwiw, i find that MOST of the 909 sounds are "easily samplable" - that is, you can make samples of them that are 99.9% as good as the real thing. 808 is a little harder, which is why I'm sorta glad that the 660 has a larger selection of 808 sounds than 909 sounds (although of course it would have been better if it had had BOTH... but you can't beat it for the $$.) -j- From dr-660-owner Tue Nov 7 15:33:48 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA28027; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:33:48 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA28003; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:33:40 -0800 Received: from stnet.es ([194.30.11.100]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA04001 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:04:06 -0800 Received: from stserver.stnet.es by stnet.es with SMTP (8.6.10/1.2-eef) id AAA16842; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 00:21:01 GMT Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 00:21:01 GMT Message-Id: <199511080021.AAA16842@stnet.es> X-Sender: revonoff@stnet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: revonoff@stnet.es (Jose Antonio Alvarez ON/OFF-Tech Multimedia News) Subject: There is life???? Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi there everyone!!!! I'm an older subscriber of this list but i am very surprised for the low email flow. Are our lovely DR's off?????? Long live to 660 machine!!!!!!!!! Excuse my poor english, friends. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jose Antonio Alvarez Cuenca Globus Comunicacion (ON-OFF / Tech Multimedia NEWS) Phone (91) 316 36 41/553 42 10/401 10 00 FAX (91) 533 54 Madrid. SPAIN ----------------------------------------------------------------- From dr-660-owner Wed Nov 8 08:03:45 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA18053; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 08:03:45 -0800 Received: from smtp1.interramp.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA18021; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 08:03:40 -0800 Received: from ip97.dublin2.oh.interramp.com by smtp1.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id JAA04773; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:32:32 -0500 Received: by ip97.dublin2.oh.interramp.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAADC9.85BD08E0@ip97.dublin2.oh.interramp.com>; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:01:14 -0500 Message-ID: <01BAADC9.85BD08E0@ip97.dublin2.oh.interramp.com> From: GD To: "'dr-660@hyperreal.com'" Subject: RE: There is life???? Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:00:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I'm an older subscriber of this list but i am very surprised for the = low >email flow. Are our lovely DR's off?????? >Long live to 660 machine!!!!!!!!! I'm kind of surprised at the low traffic as well, but I suppose that = means that we're all enjoying our drum machines :) My favorite drum kit of late is a modified 808 kit, with the effects set = for: Chorus (ALL sounds): 9 Flanger Chorus depth: 15 Chorus rate: 15 Chorus feedback: 10 Chorus delay: 2 This kit sounds really twisted when run through an overdrive pedal; the = cowbell sounds like a screeching, wounded insect! Any other kit = suggestions? GD From dr-660-owner Wed Nov 8 09:00:14 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA21645; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:00:14 -0800 Received: from utkux4.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA21527; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 08:59:51 -0800 Received: by utkux4.utcc.utk.edu (5.x/2.7c-UTK) id AA26293; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:57:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:57:34 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Drum Sounds (Ka-Razee!) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Readers, Yeah the traffic has been low... but nonetheless, maybe i can add my 2 cents worth on some wierd sounds... This may sound cheesy, but once I was doing a song in which at the beginning i wanted to have the sound of like an ocean, or the tide, flowing in and out.... so, instead of wasting time with the sampler + trying to dig up old files, I just used the lightest brush snare sound in the 660... what you do is set the decay to +31 (or alittle lower if you like), go into the utilities menu and set the roll value to 32nd note... Ok so now when you are in pattern mode (assuming you record n real-time, not the step time), you can hold the roll very lightly at first, then go heavy gradually, and then lightly fade out.... do this over and over... well, you get the idea, but it sure does sound real also you might have to screw with the chorus parameters, but no matter what they are set to, you still get that ocean type sound.. Have fun with this! And if anyone has already mentioned this before, I apologize for wasting time. :) Razorguts ***** Razorguts@Utk.Edu ***** ----------------- From dr-660-owner Wed Nov 8 09:28:32 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA24231; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:28:32 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA24175; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:27:49 -0800 Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu (jjgriffi@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.45]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA06644 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:08:19 -0800 Received: (from jjgriffi@localhost) by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id LAA17995; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:24:13 -0600 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:24:10 -0600 (CST) From: i brake for ufos To: GD cc: "'dr-660@hyperreal.com'" Subject: RE: There is life???? In-Reply-To: <01BAADC9.85BD08E0@ip97.dublin2.oh.interramp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, GD wrote: > >I'm an older subscriber of this list but i am very surprised for the low > >email flow. Are our lovely DR's off?????? > >Long live to 660 machine!!!!!!!!! > > I'm kind of surprised at the low traffic as well, but I suppose that means that we're all enjoying our drum machines :) > > My favorite drum kit of late is a modified 808 kit, with the effects set for: > > Chorus (ALL sounds): 9 > Flanger > Chorus depth: 15 > Chorus rate: 15 > Chorus feedback: 10 > Chorus delay: 2 > > This kit sounds really twisted when run through an overdrive pedal; the cowbell sounds like a screeching, wounded insect! Any other kit suggestions? > > GD > my kit suggestion is to be very wise and tactful in the design of one's kits. if you need a sound use it, if not dont. my question on the 660 is this... when i press the pad key, then move the menu to level (for example) then press enter, i get some level data for instruments that i havent put into the kits, yet they appear only when i control the 660 via a computer sequencer...is there a way to change these seeminly "universal" sounds that appear in every kit? i know how to change their levels, pitches, etc. but i cant get the sounds to change. later... awoke From dr-660-owner Wed Nov 8 10:53:16 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA00964; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:53:16 -0800 Received: from rintintin.Colorado.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA00930; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:52:51 -0800 Received: (from hyerstay@localhost) by rintintin.Colorado.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12/CNS-3.6) id LAA14995; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:52:28 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:52:27 -0700 (MST) From: Jason Hyerstay To: GD cc: "'dr-660@hyperreal.com'" Subject: RE: There is life???? In-Reply-To: <01BAADC9.85BD08E0@ip97.dublin2.oh.interramp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, GD wrote: > >I'm an older subscriber of this list but i am very surprised for the low > >email flow. Are our lovely DR's off?????? > >Long live to 660 machine!!!!!!!!! > > I'm kind of surprised at the low traffic as well, but I suppose that means that we're all enjoying our drum machines :) > > My favorite drum kit of late is a modified 808 kit, with the effects set for: > > Chorus (ALL sounds): 9 > Flanger > Chorus depth: 15 > Chorus rate: 15 > Chorus feedback: 10 > Chorus delay: 2 > > This kit sounds really twisted when run through an overdrive pedal; the cowbell sounds like a screeching, wounded insect! Any other kit suggestions? Try taking the rate down to zero and you get this wierd metalic monotone effect. Actually, it is sometimes fun to just sit there with a loop going and try out all the different parameters. Jason // Jason Hyerstay \ hyerstay@colorado.edu / DJ, Trance List Admin \\ // ---------------- \ --------------------------------------------- \\ \\ Adrenaline Online \ Networks, Graphics & Animation, Sound Design // From dr-660-owner Wed Nov 8 11:30:52 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA02965; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:30:52 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA02958; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:30:47 -0800 From: DJNyx907@aol.com Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA07008 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:11:25 -0800 Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA22006 for dr-660@hyperreal.com; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:28:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:28:47 -0500 Message-ID: <951108142846_101333951@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: jjgriffi's question. Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk It all depends on the software that you are using, But there may be a "program list" that the software is sending to your 660. It is a list of the sounds of the module that you are currently controlling. I use Freestyle to sequence, and it has something to this effect, each of my synths has to have one in order for my sequencer to control them correctly. So go into your software setup and try to find one of these "program lists" and make sure that they are correct. If this does not help, try E- mailing *ajones@futurenet.co.uk*. This is a magazine from the UK who really know their shit, and I'm sure that they can help. (Their web site is *http//www.futurenet.co.uk*) I have a question for all of you: My 660 is running low on memory and I'm about to start a new song, I sequence using Freestyle on my mac and was wondering if there is a way I could Bulk Dump to my sequencer, and store the data on disk? If anyone knows how I might go about this, Yell at me. Thanx, Nyx9087 DJ Nyx907@aol.com From dr-660-owner Wed Nov 8 14:57:40 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA20711; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:57:40 -0800 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA20656; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:57:21 -0800 From: Kevin.Marshall@Eng.Sun.COM Received: from Eng.Sun.COM by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id OAA02081; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:56:40 -0800 Received: from aton.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA23342; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:56:35 -0800 Received: by aton.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00616; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:55:42 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:55:42 -0800 Message-Id: <9511082255.AA00616@aton.Eng.Sun.COM> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: ethnic, world beat music? Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone on this list interetsed in ethnic or world beat? I have many African middle eastern, and Indian rythmns for my Dr660. The kit I am using most now has several of the choices of toms, so their parts sound distinct from each other, and the latin percussion stuff to fill out the rest of an silicon African drum ensemble. Kevin Marshall From dr-660-owner Wed Nov 8 15:45:54 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA25557; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:45:54 -0800 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA25549; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:45:46 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id XAA15026; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 23:45:42 GMT Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:45:42 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: RE: There is life???? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > when i press the pad key, then move the menu to level (for example) then > press enter, i get some level data for instruments that i havent put into > the kits, yet they appear only when i control the 660 via a computer > sequencer...is there a way to change these seeminly "universal" sounds > that appear in every kit? i know how to change their levels, pitches, > etc. but i cant get the sounds to change. later... i think what he's asking about here are the extra drum kit sounds. each drum kit has, if memory is correct, about 50 sounds total, of which only 32 are assigned to pads. the other 17 (?) can be set up just like the other sounds, but can only be triggered via midi (actually, i may be wrong there.. you might be able to program them in internal patterns if you go through some contortions). to change the sounds, you do something like hitting the enter key while in the pad assignment thing, then you can page through the extra sounds and diddle with them. i know because i do it accidentally all the time. 32 sounds per kit are enough for me, so i've never programmed my extra sounds, but i'm sure it's all in the manual. you say you dont have a manual? Roland Corp. 7200 Dominion Circle Los Angeles, California 90040-3647 (213) 685-5141 Fax: (213) 722-0911 since they still sell manuals for 15-year-old gear, i assume you can get a dr-660 manual from them. mike From dr-660-owner Thu Nov 9 05:30:27 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA01222; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 05:30:27 -0800 Received: from atc.boeing.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id FAA01208; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 05:30:24 -0800 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.65/splinter.boeing.com) id AA16254; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 05:33:47 -0800 Received: from eight-ball (eight-ball.hv.boeing.com) by splinter.boeing.com with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA029533631; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 05:27:11 -0800 Received: from efftoo.boeing.com by eight-ball (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01126; Thu, 9 Nov 95 07:31:39 CST Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 07:31:39 CST From: revbob@eight-ball.boeing.com (Bob Crispen) Message-Id: <9511091331.AA01126@eight-ball> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: jjgriffi's question. Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk DJNyx907@aol.com asks: >My 660 is running low on memory and I'm about to start a new song, I sequence >using Freestyle on my mac and was wondering if there is a way I could Bulk >Dump to my sequencer, and store the data on disk? If anyone knows how I might >go about this, Yell at me. Ooh, ooh, I know. Under the MIDI menu on the dr-660 there's a bulk dump feature that allows you to send the whole thing, or send (I think) just a song or just a kit? Anyhow, I've tried this with the disc drive on my V50 synth and it works like a charm. Restoring is even simpler. The key phrase you ought to be looking for in your Freestyle manual is "MIDI Bulk Dump". As long as we're asking simple questions, here's an even simpler one: I'm intending to put the whole drum part on my sequencer and I'd like to play it mostly live from the keyboard. Assigning the note numbers is no problem. The problem is, I've got to bang hell out of the keys on the keyboard to get a nice, full sound out of the dr-660. I know I can mess with the keyboard scaling on the keyboard, but it's a pain in the butt shifting back and forth when I'm playing the drum part and playing other parts (keyboard scaling is several steps down in a menu, naturally). It would be far simpler if I could do something on the dr-660 that effectively added a constant 50 or so to the MIDI note-on. Anybody know how to do that? Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen revbob@eight-ball.hv.boeing.com From dr-660-owner Thu Nov 9 09:11:35 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA20221; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:11:35 -0800 Received: from InfoShare.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA20215; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:11:33 -0800 Received: from zeus.amberdon.com ([198.53.214.233]) by InfoShare.Net with smtp id m0tDaVk-0004OjC; Thu, 9 Nov 95 12:11 EST Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 12:11 EST Received: from [132.147.160.232] by zeus.amberdon.com id ab14261; 9 Nov 95 12:05 EST X-Sender: john@zeus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Bob Crispen From: "John A. Audette" Subject: Re: jjgriffi's question. Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Message-ID: <9511091205.ab14261@zeus.amberdon.com> Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >As long as we're asking simple questions, here's an even simpler one: >I'm intending to put the whole drum part on my sequencer and I'd like >to play it mostly live from the keyboard. Assigning the note numbers >is no problem. The problem is, I've got to bang hell out of the keys >on the keyboard to get a nice, full sound out of the dr-660. I know I >can mess with the keyboard scaling on the keyboard, but it's a pain in >the butt shifting back and forth when I'm playing the drum part and >playing other parts (keyboard scaling is several steps down in a menu, >naturally). > >It would be far simpler if I could do something on the dr-660 that >effectively added a constant 50 or so to the MIDI note-on. Anybody >know how to do that? > >Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen >revbob@eight-ball.hv.boeing.com I'm not sure if I understand you correctly; you are saying that you can't get the sound to play loud enough while tapping the keys? If so there are two ways to fix this. First you could increase the velocity on your sequencer for that track (if it has velocity settings), or change the velocity setting on the 660 to EXP values or have it maxed out at full (127) velocity. Both ways will result in more velocity on the notes while triggering the keys at a low velocity. ____ ____________ ____________________ ____________________________ ____________________________________ John A. Audette [john@amberdon.com] Mississauga, Canada From dr-660-owner Thu Nov 9 09:16:29 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA20475; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:16:29 -0800 Received: from smtp1.interramp.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA20468; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:16:26 -0800 Received: from ip202.dublin2.oh.interramp.com by smtp1.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id KAA16035; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:45:19 -0500 Received: by ip202.dublin2.oh.interramp.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAAE9C.D9E1E020@ip202.dublin2.oh.interramp.com>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:13:59 -0500 Message-ID: <01BAAE9C.D9E1E020@ip202.dublin2.oh.interramp.com> From: GD To: "dr-660@hyperreal.com" Subject: RE: jjgriffi's question. Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:59:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >DJNyx907@aol.com asks: > >>My 660 is running low on memory and I'm about to start a new song, I = sequence >>using Freestyle on my mac and was wondering if there is a way I could = Bulk >>Dump to my sequencer, and store the data on disk? If anyone knows how = I might >>go about this, Yell at me.=20 > >Ooh, ooh, I know. Under the MIDI menu on the dr-660 there's a bulk = dump >feature that allows you to send the whole thing, or send (I think) just >a song or just a kit? Anyhow, I've tried this with the disc drive on = my >V50 synth and it works like a charm. Restoring is even simpler. The = key >phrase you ought to be looking for in your Freestyle manual is "MIDI >Bulk Dump". When you are receiving the dump on your V50, do you record it as a = sequence, or does it just go into the memory in general somehow? I've = tried this with my Roland D-20 workstation, but it never seems to work - = I don't know whether to save it to disk as a song or a group of sounds = or using the "save all" feature. Confusedly, GD From dr-660-owner Thu Nov 9 09:17:45 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA20604; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:17:45 -0800 Received: from InfoShare.Net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA20598; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:17:42 -0800 Received: from zeus.amberdon.com ([198.53.214.233]) by InfoShare.Net with smtp id m0tDabi-0004OgC; Thu, 9 Nov 95 12:17 EST Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 12:17 EST Received: from [132.147.160.232] by zeus.amberdon.com id ab14308; 9 Nov 95 12:11 EST X-Sender: john@zeus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: "John A. Audette" Subject: Re: jjgriffi's question.(for BOB C) X-Mailer: Message-ID: <9511091211.ab14308@zeus.amberdon.com> Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >As long as we're asking simple questions, here's an even simpler one: >I'm intending to put the whole drum part on my sequencer and I'd like >to play it mostly live from the keyboard. Assigning the note numbers >is no problem. The problem is, I've got to bang hell out of the keys >on the keyboard to get a nice, full sound out of the dr-660. I know I >can mess with the keyboard scaling on the keyboard, but it's a pain in >the butt shifting back and forth when I'm playing the drum part and >playing other parts (keyboard scaling is several steps down in a menu, >naturally). > >It would be far simpler if I could do something on the dr-660 that >effectively added a constant 50 or so to the MIDI note-on. Anybody >know how to do that? > >Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen >revbob@eight-ball.hv.boeing.com I'm not sure if I understand you correctly; you are saying that you can't get the sound to play loud enough while tapping the keys? If so there are two ways to fix this. First you could increase the velocity on your sequencer for that track (if it has velocity settings), or change the velocity setting on the 660 to EXP values or have it maxed out at full (127) velocity. Both ways will result in more velocity on the notes while triggering the keys at a low velocity. By the way Bob, I sent this directly to you but was fired back to me by the Daemon. ____ ____________ ____________________ ____________________________ ____________________________________ John A. Audette [john@amberdon.com] Mississauga, Canada From dr-660-owner Thu Nov 9 09:17:51 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA20616; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:17:51 -0800 Received: from projtech.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA20603; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:17:44 -0800 Received: from dragon (stan.projtech.com) by projtech.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15644; Thu, 9 Nov 95 09:17:03 PST Message-Id: <9511091717.AA15644@projtech.com> X-Sender: sgs@sarzak X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 09:17:04 -0800 To: revbob@eight-ball.boeing.com (Bob Crispen), dr-660@hyperreal.com From: "Stanley G. Sawyer" Subject: Re: jjgriffi's question. Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 07:31 AM 11/9/95 CST, Bob Crispen wrote: >As long as we're asking simple questions, here's an even simpler one: >I'm intending to put the whole drum part on my sequencer and I'd like >to play it mostly live from the keyboard. Assigning the note numbers >is no problem. The problem is, I've got to bang hell out of the keys >on the keyboard to get a nice, full sound out of the dr-660. I know I >can mess with the keyboard scaling on the keyboard, but it's a pain in >the butt shifting back and forth when I'm playing the drum part and >playing other parts (keyboard scaling is several steps down in a menu, >naturally). > >It would be far simpler if I could do something on the dr-660 that >effectively added a constant 50 or so to the MIDI note-on. Anybody >know how to do that? > >Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen >revbob@eight-ball.hv.boeing.com Have you tried using a different velocity curve. I don't have the manual in front of me, but I know that some of the curves are either sharper rises or start at a higher volume. This might do the trick. (The pain in the butt here will be that you have to do this for each pad...I think.) -----------=============<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>=============----------- sgs@projtech.com \||/ "...he thought he caught sight of Stan Sawyer | @___oo something he recognized. It was his /\ /\ / (__,,,,| subconscious which told him this--that ) /^\) ^\/ _) infuriating part of a person's brain ) /^\/ _) which never responds to interrogation, ) _ / / _) merely gives little meaningful nudges /\ )/\/ || | )_) and then sits humming quietly to it- < > |(,,) )__) self, saying nothing." || / \)___)\ Douglas Adams | \____( )___) )___ \______(_______;;; __;;; I am also postmaster@projtech.com -----------=============<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>=============----------- From dr-660-owner Thu Nov 9 10:24:54 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA26486; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:24:54 -0800 Received: from atc.boeing.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA26459; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:24:41 -0800 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.65/splinter.boeing.com) id AA02492; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:27:50 -0800 Received: from eight-ball (eight-ball.hv.boeing.com) by splinter.boeing.com with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA212871272; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:21:12 -0800 Received: from efftoo.boeing.com by eight-ball (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02588; Thu, 9 Nov 95 12:25:40 CST Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 12:25:40 CST From: revbob@eight-ball.boeing.com (Bob Crispen) Message-Id: <9511091825.AA02588@eight-ball> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: RE: jjgriffi's question. Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk gd@interramp.com asks: >When you are receiving the dump on your V50, do you record it as a = >sequence, or does it just go into the memory in general somehow? I've = >tried this with my Roland D-20 workstation, but it never seems to work - = >I don't know whether to save it to disk as a song or a group of sounds = >or using the "save all" feature. On the V50, at least, it's one of the DISC operations, not one of the SEQUENCER operations. You've got disc load, save, dir, full, format, and MIDI bulk dump. Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen revbob@eight-ball.hv.boeing.com From dr-660-owner Thu Nov 9 10:26:02 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA26590; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:26:02 -0800 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA26572; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:25:58 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id SAA15845; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:25:55 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:25:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: velocity In-Reply-To: <9511091331.AA01126@eight-ball> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > As long as we're asking simple questions, here's an even simpler one: > I'm intending to put the whole drum part on my sequencer and I'd like > to play it mostly live from the keyboard. Assigning the note numbers > is no problem. The problem is, I've got to bang hell out of the keys > on the keyboard to get a nice, full sound out of the dr-660. I know I > can mess with the keyboard scaling on the keyboard, but it's a pain in > the butt shifting back and forth when I'm playing the drum part and > playing other parts (keyboard scaling is several steps down in a menu, > naturally). you can change the velocity scaling on the 660.. when you're editing a drum kit, page to the end of the parameters and adjust it there. each kit has two of these, one for the "A" pads, and one for the "B" pads (there may be a third for the hidden ones, who knows). the other option might be to turn up your 660. :) relatedly, though i like the 660 sounds, i often find they dont have a lot of "punch". samples of my 909 on my emax sound much fuller than the 660's 909 samples (though they have their own interesting character). i often find myself EQing the 660 in extreme ways to get it to really thump. oh btw, i remember people on this list commenting before that when triggered externally, even at full velocity, the 660 isnt as loud as when triggered internally. i've never done an A/B test, but i've heard it often enough to believe it. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- An ordinance in Newcastle, Wyoming, specifically bans couples from having sex while standing inside a store's walk-in meat freezer! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/machines/ From dr-660-owner Thu Nov 9 11:57:10 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA07019; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:57:10 -0800 Received: from utkux4.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA07012; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:57:05 -0800 Received: by utkux4.utcc.utk.edu (5.x/2.7c-UTK) id AA10236; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:56:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:56:13 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris To: Kevin.Marshall@Eng.Sun.COM Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ethnic, world beat music? In-Reply-To: <9511082255.AA00616@aton.Eng.Sun.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Nov 1995 Kevin.Marshall@eng.sun.com wrote: > Anyone on this list interetsed in ethnic or world beat? I have many African > middle eastern, and Indian rythmns for my Dr660. > > The kit I am using most now has several of the choices of toms, so their > parts sound distinct from each other, and the latin percussion stuff to fill > out the rest of an silicon African drum ensemble. > > Kevin Marshall Kevin, and others... Yes, Kind of ironic you posted this, because just this past weekend I have embarked upon my new project of re-creating world percussion, specifically concentrating on the percussionists of South America (Sao Paulo of Brazil for example), and some African ethnicity as well. I have already created my kit, but maybe if some others out there know more about the percussion I speak of, they can specify by name which sounds are the best? No need to talk about de-tunning or "re-tuning!" some of the congas, toms, woodblocks, etc... I always tune my drums anyway to be in key with whatever song Im doing, but for this project I might only have some simple melody in the background and let the drums be the foreground... I like fast furious beats! So maybe this discussion of world percussion can be stimulated... thanks in advance. Razorguts From dr-660-owner Thu Nov 9 14:37:05 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA24660; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:37:05 -0800 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA24640; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:37:01 -0800 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id OAA16090; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:36:25 -0800 Received: from aton.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA19988; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:36:23 -0800 Received: by aton.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08984; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:35:33 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:35:33 -0800 From: Kevin.Marshall@Eng.Sun.COM (Kevin Marshall) Message-Id: <9511092235.AA08984@aton.Eng.Sun.COM> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ethnic, world beat music? Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >From: Aaron Harris > > I have already created my kit, but maybe if some others out there >know more about the percussion I speak of, they can specify by name which >sounds are the best? See below for the kind of music I am entering into the Dr660. Much African drum music consists of parts played in polyrythmn. So one of the goals of this kit is to make the parts as sound as distinct as possible, for my practice purposes. This arrangement of samples in the pad banks makes it easy to enter the patterns given the format below. (view with fixed width not proportional font) pad bank A -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- | dry tom 4 | | dry tom 3 | | dry tom 1 | | bongo hi | | | | | | | |tuned higher| -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- | brushtom 4 | | brush tom3 | | brush tom1 | | bongo hi | | | | | | | | | -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- | real tom 4 | | real tom 3 | | real tom 1 | | bongo low | | | | | | | | | -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- | conga bass | | conga tone | | conga slap | | kick to | | | | | | | |empahsize (1)| -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- pad bank b -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- | agogo low | | agogo med | | agogo high | | clave | | | | | | | | | -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- | cowbell low| |cowbell high| | cabasa up | | cabasa down| | | | | | | | | -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- |timbale | | timbale | | timbale | | timbale | | hiest | | next | |next dn | | lowest | -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- | cuica high | | cuica low | | very high | | very high | | | | | | brush tom | |dry tom | -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- When I am entering a pattern with four drum parts, their parts usually have 3 notes: bass, tone and slap. To enter part one for example, I enter the dry toms 4 for bass, dry tom 3 for tone and dry tom 1 for slap. The brush toms for part 2, real toms part 3 and conga for part 4 (See the notation below for the raw material). Because of the different sounds of the toms I can hear more distinctly the different polyrythmns going on. Most of pad bank A and the bells, claves etc is for the pattern itself. The timbales, cuica and high pitched samples are for the lead variations. Since the timbales have such a sharp distinctive sound, they cut through the continuing pattern and are especially good for lead variations. This RHYTHM CATALOG has around 40 patterns. I am including 2 to give a flavor for what this kit is good for...if you are interested in this kind of music, there is a mailing list: djembe-l from LISTSERV@uncg.edu. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RHYTHM CATALOG from Larry Morris (lam@eng.tridom.com) Notes: These are various group patterns, primarily for hand drums, that I have collected via the net, personal experience, books, and general hearsay. Caveat: I am not a professional ethnomusicologist; besides which, most rhythms have many, many variations and interpretations, and often different names as well. I am *always* interested in variants, corrections, alternate names, background info, and new rhythms to add. And if you're a percussionist in the Atlanta area, send me email to chat and perhaps to jam... Also check out the WWW home page by jlewis@cse.ogi.edu: http://www.cse.ogi.edu/Drum/ And the listserver LISTSERV@uncg.edu. Send message with "SUBSCRIBE djembe-l " in the body. LEGEND: | first beat in the bar * other whole beats . half beats , quarter beats : repeat >> at end of bar = continue phrase next line B,b bass O,o tone S,s slap Sf, Of slap/tone flam h heel f finger . touch or spacer (rest) _ appears above notes that should be played with your strong hand. SHIKO (Nigerian), Richard Darsie (darsie@ece.ucdavis.edu) 4/4 |: . * . * . * . | . * . * . * . :| _ _ _ _ _ _ _ TUMBA O . O . B . B . O . O . B B . . _ _ _ _ _ _ CONGA B . . . B . O . B . . . B . O . _ _ _ _ _ _ _ CONGA2 B . s s B . s s B . s s O O . . or: B . O O B . O O B . O O S S . . _ _ _ _ _ _ QUINTO O . O O . O O . s . s s . s s . AGOGO L L H H L L H H L L H H L L H H BELL 2 X . X X . X X . X . X X . X X . CLAVE X . . X . . X . . . X . X . . . DUNUNHA (Guinea), Yves Goulnik (yves.goulniky@roche.com) 12/8 |: . . * . . * . . * . . :| _ _ _ _ Lead S S S S Of O O O O (used to call other instruments one after the other) _ _ _ _ _ _ Djembe1 S . B S O O S . B S O O _ _ _ _ _ _ Djembe2 B O O O S . B O O O S . _ _ _ _ Djembe3 . O O . S S . O O . S S Lead variations... Junjun B . . B . . O . O . (B) . Bell +/- Shekere x x x x x x x From dr-660-owner Thu Nov 9 15:08:02 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA28158; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 15:08:02 -0800 Received: from stnet.es by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA28137; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 15:07:51 -0800 Received: from stserver.stnet.es by stnet.es with SMTP (8.6.10/1.2-eef) id AAA21491; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 00:05:46 GMT Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 00:05:46 GMT Message-Id: <199511100005.AAA21491@stnet.es> X-Sender: revonoff@stnet.es (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: revonoff@stnet.es (Jose Antonio Alvarez ON/OFF-Tech Multimedia News) Subject: RE: There is life???? Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I can see that the life is real. Thanks everyone to probe it and please, don't stop the comms because our DR's need to make friends!!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jose Antonio Alvarez Cuenca Globus Comunicacion (ON-OFF / Tech Multimedia NEWS) Phone (91) 316 36 41/553 42 10/401 10 00 FAX (91) 533 54 Madrid. SPAIN ----------------------------------------------------------------- From dr-660-owner Thu Nov 9 20:27:54 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA24844; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 20:27:54 -0800 Received: from smtp1.interramp.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA24839; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 20:27:50 -0800 Received: from ip34.dublin2.oh.interramp.com by smtp1.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id XAA20381; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 23:27:42 -0500 Received: by ip34.dublin2.oh.interramp.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAAEFA.9EEE8A00@ip34.dublin2.oh.interramp.com>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 23:25:13 -0500 Message-ID: <01BAAEFA.9EEE8A00@ip34.dublin2.oh.interramp.com> From: GD To: "dr-660@hyperreal.com" Subject: RE: ethnic, world beat music? Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 19:37:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Kevin, and others... > Yes, Kind of ironic you posted this, because just this past=20 >weekend I have embarked upon my new project of re-creating world=20 >percussion, specifically concentrating on the percussionists of South=20 >America (Sao Paulo of Brazil for example), and some African ethnicity = as=20 >well. > I have already created my kit, but maybe if some others out there=20 >know more about the percussion I speak of, they can specify by name = which=20 >sounds are the best? No need to talk about de-tunning or "re-tuning!"=20 >some of the congas, toms, woodblocks, etc... I always tune my drums=20 >anyway to be in key with whatever song Im doing, but for this project I = >might only have some simple melody in the background and let the drums = be=20 >the foreground... I like fast furious beats! So maybe this discussion = of=20 >world percussion can be stimulated... thanks in advance. I have been trying to re-create a number of different ethnic rhythms - = mostly brazillian and african. Most of the time I don't use traditional = instruments but use other modified percussion sounds. I came up with a = great flanged samba-enredo groove the other day; the roll button really = came in handy for the snares. For a mbalax-style rhythm I set the tempo = at about 80 and turn quantizing on triplet-16ths. This allows for some = fast, driving polyrhythmic grooves (it doesn't hurt to have multiple = kicks and snares in your kit too). GD From dr-660-owner Fri Nov 10 21:30:13 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA14108; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 21:30:13 -0800 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA14103; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 21:30:08 -0800 Received: from usr5.primenet.com (root@usr5.primenet.com [198.68.32.15]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA28092; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:30:53 GMT Received: (from peterqz@localhost) by usr5.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id WAA19871; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:29:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:29:55 -0700 (MST) From: Peter Quizert Message-Id: <199511110529.WAA19871@usr5.primenet.com> To: 5against1@hyperreal.com, dr-660@hyperreal.com, hud-202-811@hyperreal.com, interpsych-wg0001@hyperreal.com, ipn-1@hyperreal.com, ipn-2@hyperreal.com, itu-tsg8q1@hyperreal.com Subject: Are You Preapred? 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Distributor inquires welcome. From dr-660-owner Fri Nov 10 22:09:06 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA16984; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:09:06 -0800 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA16924; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:08:38 -0800 Received: from usr5.primenet.com (root@usr5.primenet.com [198.68.32.15]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA02564; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:09:31 GMT Received: (from peterqz@localhost) by usr5.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id XAA29366; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:08:33 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:08:33 -0700 (MST) From: Peter Quizert Message-Id: <199511110608.XAA29366@usr5.primenet.com> To: 5against1@hyperreal.com, dr-660@hyperreal.com, hud-202-811@hyperreal.com, interpsych-wg0001@hyperreal.com, ipn-1@hyperreal.com, ipn-2@hyperreal.com, itu-tsg8q1@hyperreal.com Subject: Are You Preapred? Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The Problem: Most companies require a pre-employment drug test. If you are seeking employment, on probation, or in the military, you will have to take a drug test. Another Problem: Eating the wrong breakfast, or using certain over-the- counter pain relievers will falsely identify you as a drug user. The Real Problem: Public and private employers spend 1.2 billion dollars each year (1992 figures) on drug tests that are unreliable and inaccurate. Even hard working employees that do not use drugs are at risk. The Solution: ================================ Know the Facts. Know what foods and over the counter medicines are routinely mistaken for common illegal drugs. Simply eating a poppy seed bagel before a drug test can identify you as an opiate user. Know how long different illicit drugs can be detected in your system. Marijuana can be detected for more than a month if nothing is done to conceal its use. Know the different types of drug tests, especially the ones you are likely to face. GC/MS tests are almost impossible to beat, but are seldom used. The more common EMIT test is much easier to fool -- if you know how. Be Prepared! Know when the test is coming. Do not use illicit drugs, or ingest cross-reactive substances before the test. Clean your system of drug metabolites and cross-reactive substances. Drink plenty of water and urinate as often as possible before the test. Do NOT give them your first urine of the day! Use Clean 'n Clear. Clean 'n Clear is a three phase system designed to Clean out your body, so you will give Clear urine and Clear the test. The unique Clean 'n Clear Package includes: 1. Simple step-by-step instructions 2. All natural blood purifiers 3. All natural urine flow stimulators 4. Coloring vitamins to put 'yellow' back in your clear urine 5. Information you need about drug testing 6. A guarantee! 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Distributor inquires welcome. From dr-660-owner Fri Nov 10 22:21:56 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA17771; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:21:56 -0800 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA17693; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:21:26 -0800 Received: from usr6.primenet.com (root@usr6.primenet.com [198.68.32.16]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA03180; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:22:19 GMT Received: (from peterqz@localhost) by usr6.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id XAA04548; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:21:20 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:21:20 -0700 (MST) From: Peter Quizert Message-Id: <199511110621.XAA04548@usr6.primenet.com> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com, informix-sig-ibmrs6000@hyperreal.com, ipn-10@hyperreal.com, oracle-sig-ibmrs6000@hyperreal.com, sybase-sig-dg9500@hyperreal.com, sybase-sig-hp9000t500@hyperreal.com, sybase-sig-ibmrs6000@hyperreal.com Subject: Are You Preapred? Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The Problem: Most companies require a pre-employment drug test. If you are seeking employment, on probation, or in the military, you will have to take a drug test. Another Problem: Eating the wrong breakfast, or using certain over-the- counter pain relievers will falsely identify you as a drug user. The Real Problem: Public and private employers spend 1.2 billion dollars each year (1992 figures) on drug tests that are unreliable and inaccurate. Even hard working employees that do not use drugs are at risk. The Solution: ================================ Know the Facts. Know what foods and over the counter medicines are routinely mistaken for common illegal drugs. Simply eating a poppy seed bagel before a drug test can identify you as an opiate user. Know how long different illicit drugs can be detected in your system. Marijuana can be detected for more than a month if nothing is done to conceal its use. Know the different types of drug tests, especially the ones you are likely to face. GC/MS tests are almost impossible to beat, but are seldom used. The more common EMIT test is much easier to fool -- if you know how. Be Prepared! Know when the test is coming. Do not use illicit drugs, or ingest cross-reactive substances before the test. Clean your system of drug metabolites and cross-reactive substances. Drink plenty of water and urinate as often as possible before the test. Do NOT give them your first urine of the day! Use Clean 'n Clear. Clean 'n Clear is a three phase system designed to Clean out your body, so you will give Clear urine and Clear the test. The unique Clean 'n Clear Package includes: 1. Simple step-by-step instructions 2. All natural blood purifiers 3. All natural urine flow stimulators 4. Coloring vitamins to put 'yellow' back in your clear urine 5. Information you need about drug testing 6. A guarantee! This is not a simplistic "tea" or golden seal approach to the problem! This amazing three phase system is guaranteed! And not just guaranteed ... We are so sure our unique three phase system will work for you that we are including a DOUBLE YOUR MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!!! Everyone has a friend who needs this information! =================================================================== -------------------------------- P R I N T and S A V E ! ! -------------------------------- Be prepared. Stop worrying now! You will pass. We guarantee it!! Order your guaranteed Clean 'n Clear package now by sending $19.95 along with your name and address to: Clean 'n Clear 2809 East Hamilton Av #121D Eau Claire, WI 54701 Most companies require pre-employment drug screens. You may only have a few days notice of a drug test. Be Prepared. Order Now! =================================================================== Sorry, Clean 'n Clear is not legal in Texas, and will NOT be mailed to Texas addresses. Distributor inquires welcome. From dr-660-owner Fri Nov 10 22:43:46 1995 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA19344; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:43:46 -0800 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA19328; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:43:29 -0800 Received: from usr6.primenet.com (usr6.primenet.com [198.68.32.16]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA01207; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:44:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (from peterqz@localhost) by usr6.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id XAA04215; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:19:51 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:19:51 -0700 (MST) From: Peter Quizert Message-Id: <199511110619.XAA04215@usr6.primenet.com> To: 5against1@hyperreal.com, dr-660@hyperreal.com, hud-202-811@hyperreal.com, interpsych-wg0001@hyperreal.com, ipn-1@hyperreal.com, ipn-2@hyperreal.com, itu-tsg8q1@hyperreal.com Subject: Are You Preapred? Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The Problem: Most companies require a pre-employment drug test. If you are seeking employment, on probation, or in the military, you will have to take a drug test. Another Problem: Eating the wrong breakfast, or using certain over-the- counter pain relievers will falsely identify you as a drug user. The Real Problem: Public and private employers spend 1.2 billion dollars each year (1992 figures) on drug tests that are unreliable and inaccurate. Even hard working employees that do not use drugs are at risk. The Solution: ================================ Know the Facts. Know what foods and over the counter medicines are routinely mistaken for common illegal drugs. Simply eating a poppy seed bagel before a drug test can identify you as an opiate user. Know how long different illicit drugs can be detected in your system. Marijuana can be detected for more than a month if nothing is done to conceal its use. Know the different types of drug tests, especially the ones you are likely to face. GC/MS tests are almost impossible to beat, but are seldom used. The more common EMIT test is much easier to fool -- if you know how. Be Prepared! Know when the test is coming. Do not use illicit drugs, or ingest cross-reactive substances before the test. Clean your system of drug metabolites and cross-reactive substances. Drink plenty of water and urinate as often as possible before the test. Do NOT give them your first urine of the day! Use Clean 'n Clear. Clean 'n Clear is a three phase system designed to Clean out your body, so you will give Clear urine and Clear the test. The unique Clean 'n Clear Package includes: 1. Simple step-by-step instructions 2. All natural blood purifiers 3. All natural urine flow stimulators 4. Coloring vitamins to put 'yellow' back in your clear urine 5. Information you need about drug testing 6. A guarantee! This is not a simplistic "tea" or golden seal approach to the problem! This amazing three phase system is guaranteed! And not just guaranteed ... We are so sure our unique three phase system will work for you that we are including a DOUBLE YOUR MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!!! Everyone has a friend who needs this information! =================================================================== -------------------------------- P R I N T and S A V E ! ! -------------------------------- Be prepared. Stop worrying now! You will pass. We guarantee it!! Order your guaranteed Clean 'n Clear package now by sending $19.95 along with your name and address to: Clean 'n Clear 2809 East Hamilton Av #121D Eau Claire, WI 54701 Most companies require pre-employment drug screens. You may only have a few days notice of a drug test. Be Prepared. Order Now! =================================================================== Sorry, Clean 'n Clear is not legal in Texas, and will NOT be mailed to Texas addresses. Distributor inquires welcome. From dr-660-owner Sun Jan 14 21:54:59 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA17835; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:54:59 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA17830; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:54:56 -0800 From: SCAThree@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA02380 for DR-660@hyperreal.com; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 00:54:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 00:54:23 -0500 Message-ID: <960115005422_116774509@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: DR-660 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Tell me more about sysex and what you can use it for. Oh hello by the way everyone! From dr-660-owner Mon Jan 15 19:19:14 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA29425; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:19:14 -0800 Received: from chaos.magibox.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA29419; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:19:11 -0800 From: bgreenfi@shadowscape.com Received: from shadowscape.com (uushadow@localhost) by chaos.magibox.net (8.6.9/8.6.10) with UUCP id UAA29788 for dr-660@hyperreal.com; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:46:05 -0600 Received: by shadowscape.com (UUPM-1.51) id D4775JH Mon, Jan 15, 1996 21:02:27 EST Message-Id: <9601152102.D4775JH@shadowscape.com> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Price of DR-660 Organization: Shadowscape Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 21:02:26 EST Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I know this question has been asked a hundred times, but I'm just now in the market for a drum machine and I've just subscribed to the list. What is a good price for the dr-660 and where is a good place to purchase one? I'm looking at music shops and they are asking between $429-$489. Thanks in advance Brian bgreen@shadowscape.com From dr-660-owner Tue Jan 16 09:51:08 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA03480; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:51:08 -0800 Received: from projtech.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA03464; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:50:59 -0800 Received: from dragon (dragon.projtech.com) by projtech.com (4.1/PT-2.02S) id AA08587; Tue, 16 Jan 96 09:49:59 PST Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:49:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Stanley G. Sawyer" X-Sender: sgs@dragon To: bgreenfi@shadowscape.com Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Price of DR-660 In-Reply-To: <9601152102.D4775JH@shadowscape.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 bgreenfi@shadowscape.com wrote: > What is a good price for the dr-660 and where is a good place to > purchase one? I'm looking at music shops and they are asking between > $429-$489. Keep looking. Kraft Music (they have a Web page) has them on sale for $369 or something like that. You can also watch for them used. (I've seen them as low as $325.) > Thanks in advance > > Brian > bgreen@shadowscape.com -= To: bgreenfi@shadowscape.com cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Price of DR-660 In-Reply-To: <9601152102.D4775JH@shadowscape.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 bgreenfi@shadowscape.com wrote: > What is a good price for the dr-660 and where is a good place to > purchase one? I'm looking at music shops and they are asking between > $429-$489. In case you feel like shopping used, I can tell you that I got mine used for $260 over the net, which is a pretty good deal. Good luck, Jason // Jason Hyerstay \ hyerstay@colorado.edu / DJ, Trance List Admin \\ // ---------------- \ --------------------------------------------- \\ \\ Adrenaline Online \ Networks, Graphics & Animation, Sound Design // From dr-660-owner Tue Jan 16 20:55:11 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA24563; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:21:00 -0800 Received: from ccnet3.ccnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA24552; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:20:57 -0800 Received: (from selah@localhost) by ccnet3.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA10409; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:18:34 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:18:34 -0800 (PST) From: selah X-Sender: selah@ccnet3 To: Jason Hyerstay cc: bgreenfi@shadowscape.com, dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Price of DR-660 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk is there an actual web site for the dr660 ? or is this just some type of forum? \\\\\\\\\\ JV1080 ~ MIDIVERB4 /////////// CAF~STUDIO MODULE~XOR/UNISYN~SONY DAT TCDD3 DR660~ATARI FALCON~ALESIS 3630,MEQ230 \\\\\\\\\\ \=====/ ////////// selah @ccnet.com From dr-660-owner Tue Jan 16 20:54:37 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA24516; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:20:13 -0800 Received: from ccnet3.ccnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA24509; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:20:12 -0800 Received: (from selah@localhost) by ccnet3.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA10306; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:17:25 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:17:24 -0800 (PST) From: selah X-Sender: selah@ccnet3 To: Jason Hyerstay cc: bgreenfi@shadowscape.com, dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Price of DR-660 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk paid 285.00 usd for mine. \\\\\\\\\\ JV1080 ~ MIDIVERB4 /////////// CAF~STUDIO MODULE~XOR/UNISYN~SONY DAT TCDD3 DR660~ATARI FALCON~ALESIS 3630,MEQ230 \\\\\\\\\\ \=====/ ////////// selah @ccnet.com From dr-660-owner Tue Jan 16 21:10:19 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA11565; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:10:19 -0800 Received: from beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA11559; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:10:15 -0800 Received: from mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu [128.111.148.100]) by beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu (MCL.UCSB.EDU-HPUX-1.0-b) with ESMTP id VAA23093; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:10:12 -0800 Received: by mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (8.6.12) id VAA15326; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:10:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:10:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Read To: bgreenfi@shadowscape.com cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Price of DR-660 In-Reply-To: <9601152102.D4775JH@shadowscape.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 bgreenfi@shadowscape.com wrote: > What is a good price for the dr-660 and where is a good place to > purchase one? I'm looking at music shops and they are asking between > $429-$489. > Brian > bgreen@shadowscape.com > I bought mine used for $325 + shipping from a guy in New York after seeing his for sale post on rec.music.makers.synth. It was in perfect condition. Since then i've seen in for as low as $250 in a local paper. The lowest price i've seen for a brand new one is $425 from a mail order catalog (Veneman's Music Emporium). I think that's about the lowest you will find it for a new one. Ted From dr-660-owner Tue Jan 16 21:36:41 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA12911; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:36:41 -0800 Received: from Post-Office.UH.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA12906; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:36:39 -0800 Received: from SIP-14273.Public-Dialups.UH.EDU (SIP-14261.Public-Dialups.UH.EDU) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8380) id <01I03GYW9MXM00023J@Post-Office.UH.EDU>; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 23:36:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 23:36:36 -0600 (CST) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by Post-Office.UH.EDU From: del22536@Jetson.UH.EDU (David Lane) Subject: Re: Price of DR-660 X-Sender: del22536@jetson.uh.edu To: bgreenfi@shadowscape.com Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01I03GYXBOD800023J@Post-Office.UH.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >I know this question has been asked a hundred times, but I'm just now in >the market for a drum machine and I've just subscribed to the list. > I chewed a pawn shop dealer down to $148!! Just keep on looking around and you'll find a good deal somewhere. David Lane "Those who know whats best for us, should rise and save us from ourselves" -Neil Peart From dr-660-owner Wed Jan 17 10:55:22 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA15230; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:55:22 -0800 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA15222; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:55:19 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id KAA12607; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:55:18 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:55:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: DR-660 on the web In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > is there an actual web site for the dr660 ? > or is this just some type of forum? yeah, the web site is at http://www.hyperreal.com/machines/DR-660/ like the list, the site is pretty slow. :) that's okay. of course if people want to share drum kits or sequences or so on, they can be uploaded to the site so everyone can try them out. (get in touch with me if you want to know how to do this) the site also has back digests of the list mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Feb 15 -- After a frantic search, President Clinton picks Janet Reno to be his attorney general, citing her "tremendous height." Sen. Bob Packwood is hospitalized after he attempts to give Reno what his aides claim was "only a congratulatory hug." - from Dave Barry's Year in Review, 1993 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/machines/ From dr-660-owner Wed Jan 17 12:42:18 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA25696; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:42:18 -0800 Received: from piglet.cc.utexas.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA25574; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:42:06 -0800 Received: from brain.brian.org (slip-21-11.ots.utexas.edu [128.83.128.155]) by piglet.cc.utexas.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11/cc-wf-solaris.mc-1.2) with SMTP id OAA17762 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:41:40 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:41:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199601172041.OAA17762@piglet.cc.utexas.edu> X-Sender: ik@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: Brian McCrory Subject: DR-660 and the price I paid Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > What is a good price for the dr-660 and where is a good place to > purchase one? I'm looking at music shops and they are asking between > $429-$489. Wow...sounds like I got a good deal. I bought my dr-660 new about 3 years ago at Strait Music in Austin, TX for $375. Needless to say, I do all my equipment-shopping there. From dr-660-owner Wed Jan 17 20:52:03 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA11750; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:52:03 -0800 Received: from loon.norlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA11735; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:51:52 -0800 Received: from gandalf17.norlink.net (gandalf17.norlink.net [204.50.130.117]) by loon.norlink.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA01432 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:45:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:45:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199601180545.AAA01432@loon.norlink.net> X-Sender: manda@norlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: manda@loon.norlink.net (Gerry Pawluk) Subject: DR660 vs DR5 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Can anyone give me a comparison between the DR660 and the DR5 in terms of functionality? What can't the DR5 do? Thanks in advance. From dr-660-owner Wed Jan 17 21:36:17 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA14743; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:36:17 -0800 Received: from utkux4.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA14737; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:36:14 -0800 Received: by utkux4.utcc.utk.edu (5.x/2.7c-UTK) id AA13483; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:34:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:34:40 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris X-Sender: aharris@utkux4.utcc.utk.edu To: Gerry Pawluk Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: DR660 vs DR5 In-Reply-To: <199601180545.AAA01432@loon.norlink.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Gerry Pawluk wrote: > Can anyone give me a comparison between the DR660 and the DR5 in terms of > functionality? > What can't the DR5 do? I own both units and know both units inside and out- first and foremost the major disadvantage of the DR-5 is that the pads only have four velocity settings, whereas the DR660's pads are not only velocity sensitive upon contact but also have aftertouch. The DR5 you have to hold down an additional button when recording to program it's velocity. Secondly the pads on the DR5 are very tiny. Although I can actually play the drum machine in real time with other musicians, most people dont do that. but still for programming's sake, DR660 larger pads make it a bit easier. Thirdly, the 660 has onboard digital processing: reverb, flange, chorus, and delay... the DR5 has none... the 660 has 2 individual outputs, the DR5 does not... the DR660 has 2 pad sets per kit and even a layer function, the DR5 does not (even though the DR5 has more than 16 pads perkit, you get more with the 660's 2 pad sets per kit). And as far as programming goes (I program in real time), the 660 is more user friendly. Ive heard alot of people complain about the DR5 being hard to use, well I found it simple but I was alrady familiar with other machines (i started on an old TR-505!)... but nonetheless, the DR5 is not so user friendly... gets boring holding down those little arrow key buttons... and lastly, the DR5 is not as versatile with off-beat rhythms... the DR5 only has a small amout of time sig selections, whereas the 660 has more. Hope this helps! email individual questions if you like about midi implementation, etc... thanks for reading! Razorguts From dr-660-owner Thu Jan 18 11:23:07 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA21619; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:23:07 -0800 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA21614; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:23:05 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id LAA17365; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:23:02 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:23:02 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: DR660 vs DR5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > the 660 is more user friendly. yikes! the concept of something significantly less user friendly than the 660 is intimidating to say the least.. what you forgot to mention, of course, is that the DR5, as i understand it, is not just a drum machine, but a whole drum machine and accompaniment and composition sort of tool. as in, you can program melodies and basslines and so on -- it's got more than the 660's two token bass sounds and, i think (could be wrong) the sequencer and midi are (i'd hope anyway) different to make the different uses possible. if you're looking for a drum machine, the 660 is surely the better choice. if you want lots of sounds and an integrated composition tool, the 660 probably doesnt do everything you want m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- A friend of mine walks into Take Five Audio (a *very* high-end dealer in New Haven) and starts looking at all of the mega-buck turntables (with their mega-buck cartridges balanced with perfect care on their mega-buck tonearms). He asks the salesman how these units sound. "Oh! the sound --- absolutely fantastic!" the salesman boasts, "They have the best reproduction quality of anything in the store, even our best CD seperates." Then lowering his voice, "But, you can't get software for them anymore." -- Machine Media ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/machines/ From dr-660-owner Thu Jan 18 12:47:02 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA01569; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:47:02 -0800 Received: from utkux4.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA01548; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:46:55 -0800 Received: by utkux4.utcc.utk.edu (5.x/2.7c-UTK) id AA06314; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:46:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:46:34 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris X-Sender: aharris@utkux4.utcc.utk.edu To: Mike Perkowitz Cc: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: DR660 vs DR5 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Mike Perkowitz wrote: > what you forgot to mention, of course, is that the DR5, as i understand > it, is not just a drum machine, but a whole drum machine and > accompaniment and composition sort of tool. as in, you can program > melodies and basslines and so on -- it's got more than the 660's two > token bass sounds and, i think (could be wrong) the sequencer and midi > are (i'd hope anyway) different to make the different uses possible. True! Yes the DR5 is the patented "band in a box", but man the sounds are weak. I wouldn't expect someone to use the sounds straight out of the DR5 withough adding some color to them via sound processor or layer wih another sound. The MAIN and BEST use I get out of the DR5 is that when Im sitting in class or work or whatever and I get this tune in my head (one of those tunes that I first tell myself "yeah Ill remember when I get home to my guitar", but then forget it and get angry), I can sit down and program it into the DR5, and then later I can turn it into a song but ll the while have the initial ideas in DR5 memory. And, believe it or not, the two token slap bass sound in the 660 isnt even in the DR5!! What a rip off! :) Razorguts From dr-660-owner Thu Jan 18 12:49:26 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA01791; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:49:26 -0800 Received: from utkux4.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA01772; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:49:16 -0800 Received: by utkux4.utcc.utk.edu (5.x/2.7c-UTK) id AA07008; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:49:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:49:07 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris X-Sender: aharris@utkux4.utcc.utk.edu To: Mike Perkowitz Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: DR660 vs DR5 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi! One more thing about what Mike said of the two unit's MIDI compatibility: The DR5 will absolutely NOT talk to most of my other devices, all of which are Roland. Im lucky to get it to talk with my DR660, and Imreal damn lucky to get it to talk to my Alesis MMT8 (which has a perplexing MIDI format which hates anything and everything unless one can harness it's energy). Thanks for reading! Aaron ***** Razorguts@Utk.Edu ***** ----------------- From dr-660-owner Fri Jan 19 19:29:23 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA29548; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:29:23 -0800 Received: from beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA29543; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:29:22 -0800 Received: from mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu [128.111.148.100]) by beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu (MCL.UCSB.EDU-HPUX-1.0-b) with ESMTP id TAA13578 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:29:19 -0800 Received: by mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (8.6.12) id TAA20737; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:29:14 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:29:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Read To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Using a computer to program the Dr-660? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My TR-707 is SO much easier to program patterns on than the DR-660....I was wondering if anyone knows a way to graphically illustrate and program the DR-660 on a computer in a similar manner? I'm thinking the way this would work is similar to the way editor/librarians work. Or the way you can view and edit a sample waveform from certain Roland samplers (and probably others). But instead of sample waveforms on the screen, there would be, say, a grid similar to the TR-707's LCD display which illustrates the DR-660 pattern and on which you could add or subtract dots (which represent beats) in order to program it. Is there such a program or am I just dreaming up a good idea for a product? From dr-660-owner Sat Jan 27 11:47:42 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA04277; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:47:42 -0800 Received: from loon.norlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA04271; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:47:31 -0800 Received: from gandalf17.norlink.net (gandalf17.norlink.net [204.50.130.117]) by loon.norlink.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA27100 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:49:11 -0500 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:49:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199601271949.OAA27100@loon.norlink.net> X-Sender: manda@norlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: DR-660@hyperreal.com From: manda@loon.norlink.net (Gerry Pawluk) Subject: Alesis MMT8 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for advise offered the last time a posted here. Although this is not DR660 related, I was wondering if someone has any more advice on the following. I am a guitar player with a Roland GP-100 and BOSS DR5 and about to purchase a Mackie 1202 VLZ mixer. Without buying a multi-track recorder or connecting to a computer, will an Alesis MMT8 sequencer be of any use to me in writing/storing/editing playback complete songs using the equipment I currently own? From dr-660-owner Mon Jan 29 11:00:32 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA29214; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:00:32 -0800 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA29199; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:00:26 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id LAA05164; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:00:19 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:00:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this was bounced to me because there's too much stuff in the header dont respond to me m ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 28 17:07:16 1996 Received: from sun1.iusb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA12870; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 17:07:14 -0800 Received: (from efinkler@localhost) by sun1.iusb.edu (8.7.1/8.6.12) id UAA20799; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 20:04:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 20:04:03 -0500 (EST) From: Cyberia To: Construction 009 Artists , da5id@trauma.com, dmunger@sun1.iusb.edu, earthsea69@skyenet.net, hatfrog@teleport.com, JDPyle@aol.com, john.w.prassas@uwrf.edu, kands@bbs.dsoe.com, Ken Holewczynski , mark27@cmdesigns.com, Tomshear@aol.com, VRave list , PWEI Nation , FLYBOY , Carson Ellis Pierce , Cameron Lewis , Edward Vargo , Maura Conway , Rachel Chrastil , DAVID P MUNGER , Chuckles the Great , fchapman@indiana.edu, Josh Tenenberg , nicky robinson , MR FJ DE SANTO , Chris Randall , Pat , Matthew Nordan <137.records@yale.edu>, Brian McNellis , Manifest Records , mailing list for DR-660 , Arnie Katz , katinthehat , Jester , Tim Hussey , JoHn Wesley Hardin , Holger Hanraths , "K2000 user's group" , Krista Fechner , Chase at Recon , "Paul W. Campbell" , Steve Boswell , Bat , Tyler Bacon , American Pig! I spit on you! , Charles C Allerton , kevin 131 , Andy Waggoner Subject: Shameless self-promotion Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This tiny little note (execpt fopr the headers) is to tell y'all that I've set up a page where folks can download samples of my music. K2000 and Dr-660 owners may find them interesting because that's the only equipment I used on them... PWEI Nation members may be interested b/c I used a PWEI loop (from "Home", to be specific) in the song "Ripple n' Hookers"). Otherwise, I sent this to you because I thought you might be interested. The URL is in my .sig, but to get to the page directly, go to http://cns.computel.com/~coj/sounds.html If you get a chance, drop me a line and tell me whatcha think! 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From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 14 09:29:50 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA08493; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:29:50 -0800 Received: from ofelia by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA08482; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:29:40 -0800 Received: from nausika.usp.br (nausika.lsi.usp.br [143.107.3.241]) by ofelia (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA13261 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:29:46 -0300 Received: by nausika.usp.br (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07849; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:28:19 +0300 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:28:19 +0300 From: fferraz@lsi.usp.br (Fabio Cerioni Ferraz) Message-Id: <9602141828.AA07849@nausika.usp.br> To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Price... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 616 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, My name is Fabio Ferraz and I'm a drummer from Brazil. I'd like someone to tell me what's the price of the DR-660 in the U.S. As soon as I buy my "Dr.Rhythm" we could talk about it, Ok ?! Thanks, Fabio <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Fabio Cerioni Ferraz (fferraz@lsi.usp.br) Division of Artificial Intelligence and Automation Laboratory of Integrated Systems - University of Sao Paulo - Brazil http://www.lsi.usp.br/~fferraz/fferraz.html <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 14 13:14:56 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA05902; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:14:56 -0800 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA05873; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:14:45 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id NAA10601; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:14:31 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:14:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Price... In-Reply-To: <9602141828.AA07849@nausika.usp.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > My name is Fabio Ferraz and I'm a drummer from Brazil. > I'd like someone to tell me what's the price of the DR-660 in the U.S. new prices seem to be (still) in the $350-$400 range. which is odd, since i got mine for about that ($375) three years ago. used prices are pretty high too, often over $300, though you can catch them in the 2s if you're sharp mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HI EVERYONE!!!! I AM GALD I FOUND OUT THIS LIST!!!! I REALY LOVE ANALOUGE SYNTS ALOT . THEY ARE WAY COOOL AND PEOPLE LIKE THE ORB PLAY THEM . I HOPE SOMEDAY I CNA AFFORD A REALY WAY COOL ANALOUGE SYNTH LIKE MAYBE A DX7 OR SOMETING LIKE THAT. CAN ANYONE TELL ME WERE TO FIND A DX7 OR OTER WAY COOOL ANALOUGE SYNHT AT??? IT SHOUD BE REALY POWERFUL AND HAVE KNOBS AND COST LES THAN $100 I DONT HAVE A LOT OF MONY . THANS A LOT!!!!!!^X^C -- Metlay ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/machines/ From dr-660-owner Sat Feb 17 22:00:21 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA08691; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 22:00:21 -0800 Received: from emh.osan.af.mil by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA08634; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 22:00:16 -0800 Received: by emh.osan.af.mil (5.59/25-eef) id AA14413; Mon, 19 Feb 96 00:59:39 GMT From: Sgt MA Malbrough 51MWS/LGMP 784-2430 Message-Id: <9602190059.AA14413@emh.osan.af.mil> Subject: Anyone there? To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:59:33 -1000 (KST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 122 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Is anyone there? I guess i've got the wrong drum machine... Later O.M.P. malbrogm@emh.osan.af.mil CA$H FLOW RECORDS From dr-660-owner Sat Feb 17 23:55:10 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA15427; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 23:55:10 -0800 Received: from ccnet3.ccnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA15420; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 23:55:06 -0800 Received: (from selah@localhost) by ccnet3.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA27313; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 23:52:19 -0800 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 23:52:19 -0800 (PST) From: selah X-Sender: selah@ccnet3 To: Sgt MA Malbrough 51MWS/LGMP 784-2430 cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Anyone there? In-Reply-To: <9602190059.AA14413@emh.osan.af.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i'm here... but you are right in guessing that this is a pretty dormant site. any questions? On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Sgt MA Malbrough 51MWS/LGMP 784-2430 wrote: > Is anyone there? I guess i've got the wrong drum machine... > > Later > > O.M.P. > > malbrogm@emh.osan.af.mil > CA$H FLOW RECORDS > \\\\\\\\\\ JV1080 ~ MIDIVERB4 /////////// CAF~STUDIO MODULE~XOR/UNISYN~SONY DAT TCDD3 DR660~ATARI FALCON~ALESIS 3630,MEQ230 \\\\\\\\\\ \=====/ ////////// selah @ccnet.com From dr-660-owner Sun Feb 18 11:23:57 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA05819; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:23:57 -0800 Received: from smtp2.interramp.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA05813; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:23:55 -0800 Received: from us014414.interramp.com by smtp2.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id OAA15856; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:23:49 -0500 Message-ID: <31277CE6.5D47@interramp.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:24:22 -0500 From: GD X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0GoldB1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Anyone there? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This might have been discussed before, but is the whole production run cursed with some kind of problem with the DSP? My DR-660 gets cranky and spews out all sorts of digital noise when I turn up the chorusing past 7 and sometimes for no apparent reason at all. Another question - is there any way to adjust the resolution of the roll feature besides changing the note value when in pattern record mode? I'm hoping I can get a roll that's finer than 32nd notes because I frequently do patterns around 76 bpm (for jungle) and at this speed the 32nds are more like 16ths. GD From dr-660-owner Sun Feb 18 12:44:38 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA12626; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:44:38 -0800 Received: from osiris.ac.hmc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA12618; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:44:35 -0800 Received: (from hthornbu@localhost) by osiris.ac.hmc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA06543; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:44:25 -0800 From: Harvey Thornburg Message-Id: <199602182044.MAA06543@osiris.ac.hmc.edu> Subject: Re: Anyone there? To: gd@interramp.com (GD) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:44:24 -0800 (PST) Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <31277CE6.5D47@interramp.com> from "GD" at Feb 18, 96 02:24:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1459 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk GD wrote: > > This might have been discussed before, but is the whole production run cursed > with some kind of problem with the DSP? My DR-660 gets cranky and spews out > all sorts of digital noise when I turn up the chorusing past 7 and sometimes > for no apparent reason at all. > This is probably due to the unit overheating. It happens to me only during the summer and I've had mine for three years. I love this effect, and I wish I could make it happen routinely. It's wonderful especially with metallic sounds. > Another question - is there any way to adjust the resolution of the roll > feature besides changing the note value when in pattern record mode? I'm > hoping I can get a roll that's finer than 32nd notes because I frequently do > patterns around 76 bpm (for jungle) and at this speed the 32nds are more > like nope! use the quantization=off feature and compute the 64-th notes yourself. They are in steps of "06". It's not that painful once you've done it a few times. even better: try the tempo at 152 bpm and double the number of beats per measure. ------------------------------------------------|---------------------------- "Categories strain, crack and break... | Harvey Thornburg Step out of the space provided." | ------------ -Steven Stapleton (1979) | hthornbu@osiris.ac.hmc.edu ------------------------------------------------|---------------------------- From dr-660-owner Sun Feb 18 12:45:27 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA12724; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:45:27 -0800 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA12719; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:45:25 -0800 Received: from apm1-165.realtime.net (apm1-165.realtime.net [204.181.161.165]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA26996; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:45:20 -0600 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:45:20 -0600 Message-Id: <199602182045.OAA26996@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: GD , DR-660@hyperreal.com From: squishy@bga.com (SquishMeister) Subject: Re: Anyone there? Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 02:24 PM 2/18/96 -0500, GD wrote: >This might have been discussed before, but is the whole production run cursed >with some kind of problem with the DSP? My DR-660 gets cranky and spews out >all sorts of digital noise when I turn up the chorusing past 7 and sometimes >for no apparent reason at all. Yeah, there is a problem with the DSP. I thought I had it cured with a rev upgrade, but the problem still exists. Later... Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Sun Feb 18 17:57:36 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA11442; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:57:36 -0800 Received: from beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA11431; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:57:32 -0800 Received: from mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu [128.111.148.100]) by beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu (MCL.UCSB.EDU-HPUX-1.0-b) with ESMTP id RAA03825 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:57:22 -0800 Received: by mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (8.6.12) id RAA02454; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:57:17 -0800 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:57:17 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Read To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Breakbeats can be done w/o a sampler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Long time ago, I asked a question about breakbeats. One person answered. I am wiser now. Anyone interested? From dr-660-owner Sun Feb 18 18:09:42 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA12612; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:09:42 -0800 Received: from beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA12607; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:09:40 -0800 Received: from mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu [128.111.148.100]) by beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu (MCL.UCSB.EDU-HPUX-1.0-b) with ESMTP id SAA04180; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:09:24 -0800 Received: by mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (8.6.12) id SAA04261; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:09:25 -0800 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:09:25 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Read To: GD cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Anyone there? In-Reply-To: <31277CE6.5D47@interramp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, GD wrote: > Another question - is there any way to adjust the resolution of the roll > feature besides changing the note value when in pattern record mode? I'm > hoping I can get a roll that's finer than 32nd notes because I frequently do > patterns around 76 bpm (for jungle) and at this speed the 32nds are more like > 16ths. > > GD I think there is a way to change it but I forget how right now. I'm not sure if it does 64ths though. I'll check it out and post again unless someone else answers first. Out of curiousity, why do you do it at 76 bpm's? Couldn't you double the bpms and spread out the beats over more measures to compensate? What sort of jungle are you doing? I love ambient jungle/jazzy jungle ala dj Casper (Chicago). He's the shit. He calls what he plays "Jazzstep." Awesome stuff. Ted From dr-660-owner Sun Feb 18 19:12:25 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA18255; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 19:12:25 -0800 Received: from smtp2.interramp.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA18238; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 19:12:19 -0800 Received: from us014414.interramp.com by smtp2.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id WAA22473; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:12:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3127EAB3.6C29@interramp.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:12:51 -0500 From: GD X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0GoldB1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Jungle (was: Anyone there?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ted Read wrote: > Out of curiousity, why do you do it at 76 > bpm's? Couldn't you double the bpms and spread out the beats over more > measures to compensate? Yeah, I could do it at double the speed, but it seems that using a higher number of beats per pattern fills up the memory more quickly. Or is it actually dependent on the number of notes I play? A question for those of you using a sequencer with your DR-660: how could I set up my drum machine so that it can be used both as a sound source and as a trigger? I'll be getting some sequencing software soon for my computer and am kind of wondering how everything needs to be configured in terms of a MIDI interface and the computer. Thanks, GD From dr-660-owner Mon Feb 19 02:21:06 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA29280; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 02:21:06 -0800 Received: from lifl.lifl.fr by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id CAA29262; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 02:20:50 -0800 From: saugis@lifl.fr Received: from lutece.lifl.fr by lifl.lifl.fr, Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:17:20 +0100 Received: by lutece.lifl.fr, Mon, 19 Feb 96 11:14:29 +0100 Message-Id: <9602191014.AA02609@lutece.lifl.fr> Subject: Q: pattern change To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:14:28 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 937 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello, I'd like to do something with my 660 that's apparently NOT possible :( 2 facts : - Program Change messages change the drumkit - While pattern-playing, you can choose another pattern by entering its number. OK, but *HOW* can I change pattern via MIDI??? I don't want to create a static song (I will play live), and variations/fills might not suffice (not MIDI anyway I think). If it's not possible then it *sucks* hard vacuum IMHO. HELP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory SAUGIS http://www.lifl.fr/~saugis/ZikTek/ "I'm especially fond of the "M" interactive composer program. This program is like having several dozen ARP style sequencers all working together spinning out endless permutations of note patterns." Steve Roach. From dr-660-owner Mon Feb 19 05:30:29 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA15102; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 05:30:29 -0800 Received: from atc.boeing.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id FAA15097; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 05:30:26 -0800 Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.65/splinter.boeing.com) id AA29290; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 05:33:16 -0800 Received: from eight-ball by splinter.boeing.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA106546567; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 05:29:27 -0800 Received: from efftoo.boeing.com by eight-ball (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15361; Mon, 19 Feb 96 07:30:38 CST Date: Mon, 19 Feb 96 07:30:38 CST From: revbob@eight-ball.hv.boeing.com (Bob Crispen) Message-Id: <9602191330.AA15361@eight-ball> To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Anyone there? Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 18 00:20:42 1996 >From: Sgt MA Malbrough 51MWS/LGMP 784-2430 >Subject: Anyone there? Sgt MA Malbrough 51MWS/LGMP 784-2430 sez: >Is anyone there? I guess i've got the wrong drum machine... Or perhaps we have fewer problems with our drum machines, and don't need to flood the airwaves with cries for help. Very seldom does a set of facts support only one inference. Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen crispen@hiwaay.net From dr-660-owner Mon Feb 19 05:49:54 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA15978; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 05:49:54 -0800 Received: from sun1.iusb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA15972; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 05:49:51 -0800 Received: (from efinkler@localhost) by sun1.iusb.edu (8.7.1/8.6.12) id IAA27586; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:49:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:49:34 -0500 (EST) From: Cyberia To: Ted Read cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Breakbeats can be done w/o a sampler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Ted Read wrote: > > Long time ago, I asked a question about breakbeats. One person > answered. I am wiser now. Anyone interested? *raises hand in air and gives pained expression* OOOOH! OOOOH! Ed Finkler [========================================================================] [********** CULT OF JESTER **********] [******* New demo of Industrial-Ambient-Trance *******] [***** 6 Songs -- $3 (cash or checks made to Ed Finkler) *****] [**** 2211 Lakeshore Dr/St. Joseph, MI/49085-1840/USA ****] [*** http://cns.computel.com/~coj/ ***] [========================================================================] From dr-660-owner Mon Feb 19 06:17:36 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA18385; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:17:36 -0800 Received: from sun1.iusb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA18379; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:17:32 -0800 Received: (from efinkler@localhost) by sun1.iusb.edu (8.7.1/8.6.12) id JAA29817; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:17:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:17:26 -0500 (EST) From: Cyberia To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Anyone there? In-Reply-To: <199602182044.MAA06543@osiris.ac.hmc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Harvey Thornburg wrote: > This is probably due to the unit overheating. It happens to me only > during the summer and I've had mine for three years. I love this effect, > and I wish I could make it happen routinely. It's wonderful especially with > metallic sounds. I think I remember this happening once, and I loved it to death. I wish there was a way to _force_ the unit to do this w/o destructing it in some way. Ed Finkler [========================================================================] [********** CULT OF JESTER **********] [******* New demo of Industrial-Ambient-Trance *******] [***** 6 Songs -- $3 (cash or checks made to Ed Finkler) *****] [**** 2211 Lakeshore Dr/St. Joseph, MI/49085-1840/USA ****] [*** http://cns.computel.com/~coj/ ***] [========================================================================] From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 21 12:20:25 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA02194; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:20:25 -0800 Received: from er7.rutgers.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA02182; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:20:20 -0800 Received: (from jaslin@localhost) by er7.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) id PAA07997 for DR-660@hyperreal.com; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:20:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 15:20:11 EST From: Jasper Lin To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Message-ID: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi people: 1. Is there a battery or something that keeps the 660 's memory when you turn it off? 2. Damn, is there something one can do about the Roland 660 mini space heater? 3. Anyone know what the upgrade 'fixes'? Thanks, Jasper From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 21 14:24:55 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15362; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:24:55 -0800 Received: from utkux4.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA15353; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:24:51 -0800 Received: by utkux4.utcc.utk.edu (5.x/2.7c-UTK) id AA04133; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:20:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:20:03 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Harris X-Sender: aharris@utkux4.utcc.utk.edu To: Jasper Lin Cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re- 660 questions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Jasper Lin wrote: > Hi people: > > 1. Is there a battery or something that keeps the 660 's memory when you turn > it off? Yes, once a while back I opened up my 660 (Im still like the little curious child I was 15 years ago, always opening up my "toys"). But I opened up my 660 and saw a number of interesting things, including some kind of huge nickel-cell battery. I could be wrong about the nickel-cell, but it resembled a watch battery, only about 50 times bigger. Dont ever openen up a Boss DR-5!!! I did, and in order to open it you have to un-latch the tempo/data wheel from it's harnass... it's a pain in the butt, and if you can even get it back together, the wheel has no more action in it and when you turn it there's no telling wha will happen (ex- it'll be on pattern 150, I barely turn it and it ends up on pattern 213 or something). > 2. Damn, is there something one can do about the Roland 660 mini space > heater? You know Ive heard these people talking about their 660s overheating and stuff, and Ive never had it happen to mine. Mine *used* to shut off upon extended use (45 minutes or more) because I wasn't using the actual adaptor you're supposed to use. Since then Ive bought the correct adaptor and all is well. But I just assume that the 660 has a number of resistors to keep it from overheating and there is nothing you can do, unless you actually get to the breadboard, disconnect the resistors, and solder the contacts together, but I bet this is dangerous. :) > 3. Anyone know what the upgrade 'fixes'? I dont know anything about the upgrades, although Id like a detailed explanation if someone can provide it. I guess it means I have to take it to a store and have it istalled? *shrug* > Thanks, > Jasper Razorguts PS- I forgot to mention that the battery can indeed be replaced, but back up the memory to a datadisk or something, bulk dump as to save anything in memory you have. When I need to change my battery, Im going to take it out then tur my unit on and try to change a kit and see what happens. By the way, anyone know the actual secret to putting the 66o into diagnostic mode upon tunring it on?? Lets you test pads, etc... From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 21 14:58:45 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA19667; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:58:45 -0800 Received: from ux7.cso.uiuc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA19650; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:58:36 -0800 Received: (from jjgriffi@localhost) by ux7.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA440362; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:57:43 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:57:39 -0600 (CST) From: me To: Jasper Lin cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Jasper Lin wrote: > Hi people: > > 1. Is there a battery or something that keeps the 660 's memory when you turn > it off? i think there is supposed to be a battery to preserve memory, well mine always has the same settings i last had it at... > > 2. Damn, is there something one can do about the Roland 660 mini space > heater? turn it off...i guess... > > 3. Anyone know what the upgrade 'fixes'? > there's an upgrade? > Thanks, > Jasper > anyone notice how weak the midi connections are in the back, my midi in is wobbles and works only half the time...guess i got to get it fixed... From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 21 16:27:23 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA29924; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:27:23 -0800 Received: from projtech.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA29851; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:26:47 -0800 Received: from dragon (dragon.projtech.com) by projtech.com (4.1/PT-2.02S) id AA05201; Wed, 21 Feb 96 16:26:53 PST Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:26:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Stanley G. Sawyer" X-Sender: sgs@dragon To: Jasper Lin Cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Jasper Lin wrote: > 3. Anyone know what the upgrade 'fixes'? What upgrade? -----------=============<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>=============----------- Stan Sawyer system administrator stan@projtech.com Project Technology, Inc. http://www.projtech.com/ "Reality is for the people who can't handle the drugs." appropriately borrowed by Steve Mellor -----------=============<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>=============----------- From dr-660-owner Wed Feb 21 19:35:42 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA19159; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:35:42 -0800 Received: from beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA19132; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:35:35 -0800 Received: from mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu [128.111.148.100]) by beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu (MCL.UCSB.EDU-HPUX-1.0-b) with ESMTP id TAA17023; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:35:34 -0800 Received: by mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (8.6.12) id TAA03404; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:35:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:35:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Read To: Cyberia cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Breakbeats can be done w/o a sampler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Cyberia wrote: > On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Ted Read wrote: > > > > > Long time ago, I asked a question about breakbeats. One person > > answered. I am wiser now. Anyone interested? > > *raises hand in air and gives pained expression* > > OOOOH! OOOOH! Ok maybe my post was kind of lame. But what's even lamer is the lack of constructive posts on this list. That's what I was trying to get at. I ask a question and get one response? That's fucking lame. I know there must be people on this list who can make breakbeats (maybe you, judging by your snobby, sarcastic post? thanks for that by the way asshole) but no one even took the time to respond with some helpful hints. It's like people are afraid people are going to steal their ideas and do something better than them or something. Everyone is just taking, no one's giving. I find that frustrating. With that off my chest, the rest of this response is to those who are interested in how to make breakbeats. Or to those who want to know what the benefits of using a DR-660 with a computer-based sequencer are. What I have found is that using a computer sequencer is the way to go. A sampler would be nice and would definitely add cool details, depth and effect (complexity) but it's not necessary. I have Cubase 2.8 for my Macintosh and I've found that Cubase's drum edit map makes programming patterns using the DR-660 incredibly easy in general...this is how I learned how to create breakbeat patterns. Other sequencers probably have similar features but I'm not sure. In Cubase, When you click on a "part," (that is, a piece of a track in the main arrange window) an editing window opens on that part. If the track is a drum track, then you get a window with a grid on on it (actually the synth part editors have grids too but they are slightly different). Down the left side of the drum editing grid is the list of sounds on the dr-660 that I have programmed in (that is, that I have programmed Cubase to send note ons to particular sounds in the 660...you can also program in sounds from other instruments/modules). Along the top are the measure numbers and divisions of the measures. On the grid itself, you can put "dots" that represent the notes (hihat, bass drum, handclap etc...). The note's vertical position relates to which sound is being produced while it's horizontal position is it's place in time.) First what I do is set cubase to continually play the same two measures over and over. Then, being in this edit window, I can point and click in notes for the sequencer to tell the DR-660 to play. As I add notes I can tell as soon as the sequencer plays the next pass of the 2 measure pattern whether or not it sounds right or not. If it sounds wrong, I can just erase that particular note. So much easier than doing it just on the 660. I was never able to find a way to create good sounding breakbeats by programming patterns internally on the 660 although there probably is a way. (It would probably help to know something about time signatures so that you could quantize it correctly as you're recording it but I don't know much about that kind of thing). If anyone is interested I will somehow describe the actual graphic pattern of my fav. break beat pattern. (I don't have a web site or scanner so I can't do anything high tech.) Hope this helps someone. Ted From dr-660-owner Thu Feb 22 02:13:07 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA29896; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 02:13:07 -0800 Received: from lifl.lifl.fr by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id CAA29017; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 02:12:34 -0800 From: saugis@lifl.fr Received: from lutece.lifl.fr by lifl.lifl.fr, Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:08:50 +0100 Received: by lutece.lifl.fr, Thu, 22 Feb 96 11:05:51 +0100 Message-Id: <9602221005.AA04273@lutece.lifl.fr> Subject: Re: Breakbeats can be done w/o a sampler To: ucore@mcl.ucsb.edu (Ted Read) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:05:50 +0100 (MET) Cc: efinkler@sun1.iusb.edu, DR-660@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Ted Read" at Feb 21, 96 07:35:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1220 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk (snip snip) > know much about that kind of thing). If anyone is interested I will > somehow describe the actual graphic pattern of my fav. break beat > pattern. (I don't have a web site or scanner so I can't do anything high > tech.) It might be a good idea! It's easy (though time consuming) to represent a pattern in ASCII. Maybe you could give us : - sysex dumps of your fav kits - " " " " " patterns - MIDIFILES containing kits and/or patterns I could store them on the Web! (address in my signature) Anyone wanting to offer their best creations email me. VARIOUS STYLES WELCOME!! (I'd especially LOVE to receive a TECHNO kit that has that sound that makes techno so different from what could exist before...) Bye!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory SAUGIS http://www.lifl.fr/~saugis/ZikTek/ "I'm especially fond of the "M" interactive composer program. This program is like having several dozen ARP style sequencers all working together spinning out endless permutations of note patterns." Steve Roach. From dr-660-owner Thu Feb 22 06:58:18 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA29236; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:58:18 -0800 Received: from sun1.iusb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA29225; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:58:13 -0800 Received: (from efinkler@localhost) by sun1.iusb.edu (8.7.1/8.6.12) id JAA25050; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:58:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:58:02 -0500 (EST) From: Cyberia To: Ted Read cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Breakbeats can be done w/o a sampler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Ted Read wrote: > Ok maybe my post was kind of lame. But what's even lamer is the lack of > constructive posts on this list. That's what I was trying to get at. I > ask a question and get one response? That's fucking lame. I know there > must be people on this list who can make breakbeats (maybe you, judging by > your snobby, sarcastic post? thanks for that by the way asshole) but no > one even took the time to respond with some helpful hints. Ummmm.... I was very serious. I really _did_ want to hear about breakbeat techniques. I was just using a little humor to express my enthusiasm -- it's something I've wanted to learn about for a long time. Perhaps the reason you only got one response was because this is an _extremely_ low volume list... I usually end up forgetting I'm subscribed to it for several months, because I won't get _any_ messages. Please be a little more thoughtful before you start calling folks asshole, okay? Ed Finkler [========================================================================] [********** CULT OF JESTER **********] [******* New demo of Industrial-Ambient-Trance *******] [***** 6 Songs -- $3 (cash or checks made to Ed Finkler) *****] [**** 2211 Lakeshore Dr/St. Joseph, MI/49085-1840/USA ****] [*** http://cns.computel.com/~coj/ ***] [========================================================================] From dr-660-owner Thu Feb 22 10:32:58 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA21012; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:32:58 -0800 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA20982; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:32:40 -0800 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id KAA13797; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:32:23 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:32:23 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: the list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk first off, it's very generous of someone to offer web space for list-related things, but of course we already have a web page (http://www.hyperreal.com/machines/DR-660) as mentioned in the intro message. admittedly there's not a whole lot there, but if you want to change that, submit things :) you can mail them to me, or upload them to hyperreal in /machines/incoming/ and let me know about it. as to the "lameness" of this list.. this list, being small (90ish people) and specific (the dr-660) is generally quite quiet until someone has a specific question about the 660 that we can answer. if you want to see more discussion, start it -- after all, the content of a list is created by its members. and i really dont like to see hostility and "fucking lame" and such thrown around on my list for no good reason. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- * >From a former UC Professor of Philosophy, Michael Scriven: * " The juvenile sea squirt wanders through the ocean searching for a * suitable rock or hunk of coral to cling to and make its home for life. * When it finds its spot and takes root, it doesn't need its brain any more * so it eats it. It's rather like getting tenure." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/machines/ From dr-660-owner Fri Feb 23 06:49:38 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA05334; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 06:49:38 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA05294; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 06:49:28 -0800 Received: from ns.cent.com (root@[206.25.18.2]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA12616 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from cent.com.cent.com (ppp19.cent.com [206.25.18.19]) by ns.cent.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA01791 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:32:12 -0600 Received: by cent.com.cent.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB017D.F0370CE0@cent.com.cent.com>; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:31:49 -0500 Message-ID: <01BB017D.F0370CE0@cent.com.cent.com> From: "John Q. Public" To: "'DR-660@hyperreal.com'" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 02:28:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone: can anyone tell me if it is possible to set up a pad (drum trigger) to act as a midi off..... I want to use it to choke cymbals and such..... am I screwed on this one or not. Any help would be much appreciated. My equipment is dr-660, Roland m-dc1 dance module, Alesis d4 drum module, and a life long supply of pads and other things..... thanks. Wdcomp@cent.com From dr-660-owner Fri Feb 23 06:57:24 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA06844; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 06:57:24 -0800 Received: from er7.rutgers.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA06833; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 06:57:19 -0800 Received: (from jaslin@localhost) by er7.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) id JAA05496 for DR-660@hyperreal.com; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:57:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 9:57:20 EST From: Jasper Lin To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: individual outs Message-ID: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sorry people but I was just trying to figures this out from the book and it was terribly unhelpful. How do you utilitze the individual outs? If I understand correctly every sound can be mixed to the main outs, the ind 1, or the ind 2 right? I think I did this once and I was able to get the bass out to ind 1 which was great to process on its own on the mixer -- add the extra bass e.q. (; Jasper From dr-660-owner Fri Feb 23 10:51:12 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA01654; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:51:12 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA01626; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:51:08 -0800 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu (beargrass.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.182]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA17557 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id KAA17793; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:33:56 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:33:56 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: individual outs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Sorry people but I was just trying to figures this out from the book and it > was terribly unhelpful. How do you utilitze the individual outs? If I > understand correctly every sound can be mixed to the main outs, the ind 1, or > the ind 2 right? I think I did this once and I was able to get the bass out > to ind 1 which was great to process on its own on the mixer -- add the extra > bass e.q. (; it's kind of screwy, because you have to set it at two different places. first, under the drumkit setup stuff you have to set the pan position to IND1 or IND2. then you have to set the output level. you do this by pushing reverb (or chorus.. one is IND1 and the other is IND2) and then pushing the right arrow (i think) to display the IND output levels instead of the reverb levels. make sure the sound's level is up. it *sorta* makes sense because it's like any sound can be sent out an individual out instead of through the fx (each out is without one of the fx but with the other, as i recall), but it's really pretty silly -- why didnt they just use the pad level as the output level and just require that you set the output via pan? mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Some Net users have boilerplate signatures, featuring a picture cleverly built out of keyboard characters and, often, an epigram. Of all the epigrams I saw in cyberspace, by far the most memorable was, "I post, therefore I am." - Robert Wright, from "Overhearing the Internet" in _The New Republic_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/machines/ From dr-660-owner Fri Feb 23 16:16:22 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA01654; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:51:12 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA01626; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:51:08 -0800 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu (beargrass.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.182]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA17557 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id KAA17793; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:33:56 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:33:56 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: individual outs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Sorry people but I was just trying to figures this out from the book and it > was terribly unhelpful. How do you utilitze the individual outs? If I > understand correctly every sound can be mixed to the main outs, the ind 1, or > the ind 2 right? I think I did this once and I was able to get the bass out > to ind 1 which was great to process on its own on the mixer -- add the extra > bass e.q. (; it's kind of screwy, because you have to set it at two different places. first, under the drumkit setup stuff you have to set the pan position to IND1 or IND2. then you have to set the output level. you do this by pushing reverb (or chorus.. one is IND1 and the other is IND2) and then pushing the right arrow (i think) to display the IND output levels instead of the reverb levels. make sure the sound's level is up. it *sorta* makes sense because it's like any sound can be sent out an individual out instead of through the fx (each out is without one of the fx but with the other, as i recall), but it's really pretty silly -- why didnt they just use the pad level as the output level and just require that you set the output via pan? mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Some Net users have boilerplate signatures, featuring a picture cleverly built out of keyboard characters and, often, an epigram. Of all the epigrams I saw in cyberspace, by far the most memorable was, "I post, therefore I am." - Robert Wright, from "Overhearing the Internet" in _The New Republic_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- map@cs.washington.edu http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ mike perkowitz http://www.hyperreal.com/machines/ From dr-660-owner Fri Feb 23 17:27:58 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA10792; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:27:58 -0800 Received: from beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA10785; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:27:54 -0800 Received: from mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu [128.111.148.100]) by beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu (MCL.UCSB.EDU-HPUX-1.0-b) with ESMTP id RAA20442; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:28:02 -0800 Received: by mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (8.6.12) id RAA13452; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:28:01 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:28:01 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Read To: Cyberia cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Breakbeats can be done w/o a sampler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Cyberia wrote: > Ummmm.... I was very serious. I really _did_ want to hear about > breakbeat techniques. I was just using a little humor to express my > enthusiasm -- it's something I've wanted to learn about for a long time. > > Perhaps the reason you only got one response was because this is an > _extremely_ low volume list... I usually end up forgetting I'm subscribed > to it for several months, because I won't get _any_ messages. > > Please be a little more thoughtful before you start calling folks > asshole, okay? Ok, I guess I took it the wrong way. I'm sorry. Regardless of whether I took it the wrong way or not though, I want to apologize for the profanity and hostility in that post. After sending that mail, I felt bad about it and I shouldn't have sent it. I think you may be right, that the volume is so low that maybe no one really does know how to do it. I still believe that this list is not living up to it's full potential though. The second half of that post was intended to be a contribution toward increasing the communication and I'll continue to try to offer useful things I learn. Ted From dr-660-owner Fri Feb 23 17:55:25 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA12731; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:55:25 -0800 Received: from beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA12720; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:55:21 -0800 Received: from mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu [128.111.148.100]) by beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu (MCL.UCSB.EDU-HPUX-1.0-b) with ESMTP id RAA22248; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:55:17 -0800 Received: by mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (8.6.12) id RAA18590; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:55:17 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:55:17 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Read To: Mike Perkowitz cc: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: the list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Mike Perkowitz wrote: > as to the "lameness" of this list.. this list, being small (90ish people) > and specific (the dr-660) is generally quite quiet until someone has a > specific question about the 660 that we can answer. if you want to see > more discussion, start it -- after all, the content of a list is created > by its members. > > and i really dont like to see hostility and "fucking lame" and such > thrown around on my list for no good reason. > > m Again, I'm sorry. I was having a bad day and I should not have said those things like that. Despite my criticism that there isn't enough traffic on this list, I really do appreciate that this list is here. It's an amazing resource to be able to tap into when you have a problem. And you're right, it's just as much my fault as anyone else's that there isn't more traffic. Ted From dr-660-owner Sun Feb 25 00:42:26 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA16977; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 00:42:26 -0800 Received: from ix.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA16972; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 00:42:24 -0800 Received: from [152.52.116.129] by ix.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id XAA03377; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 23:25:06 -0800 X-Sender: allison.eng@uwcr.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-to: please.reply.via.fax.to.fax.number.shown@or.via.airmail.to.smail.address.shown Approved: moderator X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:31:43 +0900 To: allison.eng25@uwcr.edu From: allison.eng25@uwcr.edu (Allison Eng) Subject: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company. You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of the info request form below. IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY: Please make sure you return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the actual form below. If you do not know how to cut and paste the below form onto a fresh clean blank page for faxing, then you may re-type the below form, as long as you copy it line for line *exactly.* This is necessary in order for them to be able to process the tremendous number of replies that they get daily. Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be *auto-terminated* if your fax: 1. has a cover page; 2. is more than one page 3. does not begin with the "cut here/begin" line from the below form 4. does not end with the "cut here/end" line from the below form. 5. has any handwritten info. on it (info must must be filled out *only* with your computer keyboard or typewriter keyboard). This last provision re: no handwriting on the form applies to requests sent in via smail also. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NOTE: Their fax line is open 24 hrs. per day / 7 days per week. If you have trouble getting through to their fax, or do not have a fax machine at work or at home, just drop the below form to them via smail (airmail or first class mail). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ *------------cut here/begin-------------------------------------------* REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section (with no cover page) via 1-page fax to: 718-967-1550 in the USA or via smail (first class mail or airmail) to: Magazine Club Inquiry Center Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept. PO Box 990 Staten Island NY 10312-0990 Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :) ---> SORRY, BUT NO HANDWRITTEN FORMS WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED. MUST BE TYPED-OUT ON YOUR COMPUTER OR TYPEWRITER. <--- Name: Internet email address: Smail home address: City-State-Zip: Country: Work Tel. #: Work Fax #: Home Tel. #: Home Fax #: How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Referral by: Allison Eng. 022396-l Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail: Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you: Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"): *------------cut here/end--------------------------------------------* Catalogue Format Options: 1. 19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total). 2. For more advanced computer users: attached text file ~525K - you must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to open it with your word processor. If in doubt, don't ask for this version. This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1 and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how to deal with this option. 3. For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea), ~133K. Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed. You just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as you still have to know how to deal with an attached file. It will cut your download time by 75%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. 4. For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with Stuffit(tm), ~114K. Can be decompressed by any computer user who has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files. This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your download time by 78%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. Hi fellow 'netters, My name is Allison Eng and I recently started using a magazine subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price guarantee. Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge. They feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language. Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and cut-out all the middlemen. 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When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail. He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance rates are cheaper then. He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. 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From dr-660-owner Sun Feb 25 20:57:07 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA27596; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 20:57:07 -0800 Received: from mustang.uwo.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA27588; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 20:57:05 -0800 From: dtrembla@mustang.uwo.ca Received: from ts5-2.slip.uwo.ca by mustang-b.uwo.ca with SMTP id XAA22918; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 23:57:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199602260457.XAA22918@mustang-b.uwo.ca> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 23:57:01 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: dtrembla@mustang.uwo.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Using as an external clock Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi. Does, or has anyone ever used the 660's individual outs to run a 101. I have been trying for about 10 hours now...but no luck. If you have any suggestions let me know. Thanks in advance for any repsponse CHEERS!! Devin From dr-660-owner Sat Mar 2 13:35:59 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA07524; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 13:35:59 -0800 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA07514; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 13:35:51 -0800 From: DJNyx907@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA20773 for dr-660@hyperreal.com; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 16:35:19 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 16:35:19 -0500 Message-ID: <960302163515_436413772@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: FS: DR660 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've seen a lot of people needing a used 660 and, well, I've got one. Exellently kept DR660 used for multimedia and techno. The classic with not a scratch on it, The classic and the reason I'm having to sell it is due to the fact that I'm getting engaged and need to buy a ring, therefore I'm having to part (unfortunatley) with this excellent piece of machinery. With original manual. $375 or best offer Respond to DJNyx907@aol.com if you have any questions or would like to make an offer. Thanks, Nathan. From dr-660-owner Tue Mar 5 10:11:25 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA28498; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:11:25 -0800 Received: from kitten.mcs.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA28241; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:09:33 -0800 Received: from [204.137.234.68] (ovt.pr.mcs.net [204.137.234.68]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA16134; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:09:24 -0600 Message-Id: <199603051809.MAA16134@kitten.mcs.com> X-Sender: ovt@popmail.mcs.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:08:16 -0500 To: 313@hyperreal.com From: ovt@mcs.net (OVT Superstar) Subject: Rave VISUALS(CHicAgO) web site http://www.mcs.net/~ovt/ Cc: abducted@hyperreal.com, ambient@hyperreal.com, analogue@hyperreal.com, idm@hyperreal.com, dr-660@hyperreal.com, mtn-raves@hyperreal.com, nw-raves@hyperreal.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com, nyc-raves@hyperreal.com, pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.com, vrave-list@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk http://www.mcs.net/~ovt/ I produce all original video for projection at raves around the U.S. I have projected at over 60 raves in 1995 alone. My company is called OVT Visualz (we go under many other names though). We are based in Chicago and provide the most eye seering, brain frying video and film projections around. We have worked with Ministry (currently on their '96 tour), Legendary Pink Dots, Die Warzau, EMF, Thrill Kill Kult, etc. I am currently selling a tape of my work called Probe. It has a hardcore techno mix by DJ EFEX from Chicago. DJ EFEX has spun all around the country and is especially loved in LA/San Fran. Probe is a video designed to stimulate the mind. This program acts as a seratonin releaser increasing mental awareness and feelings of euphoria during and after viewing. Some have even called Probe a new high tech psychoactive drug. Probe was produced using the latest neural implant technology. As the test subject listened to hardcore techno music (by Chicago's DJ EFEX) his mind began producing images which were picked up by the neural receptor implanted in his brain. The high resolution images were subsequently recorded on videotape after the brain waves were processed into a video signal. Probe has been seen around the country at various rave parties and mental health clinics. All who have seen Probe agree that it has affected them in a positive way. Many many copies have been sold so far. Check out the web site for my company and Probe at: http://www.mcs.net/~ovt/ p.s. tapes from various events are also for sale, along with film loops (new and used) email me for more info. Thanks, Brian Ultravisual web page at http://www.mcs.net/~ovt CHECK IT OUT!!! From dr-660-owner Tue Mar 5 13:24:18 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA19852; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:24:18 -0800 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA19812; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:24:05 -0800 From: PlyBoyXTC@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA15741; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:23:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:23:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199603052123.QAA15741@emout05.mail.aol.com> Apparently-To: Abducted@hyperreal.com Apparently-To: ambient@hyperreal.com Apparently-To: idm@hyperreal.com Apparently-To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Apparently-To: mtn-raves@hyperreal.com Apparently-To: nw-raves@hyperreal.com Apparently-To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Apparently-To: nyc-raves@hyperreal.com Apparently-To: pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.com Apparently-To: vrave-list@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ******** ***********************WEDNESDAY MARCH 20th 1996**************************** Come and Experience Amsterdams finest Dj's and producers. Dj ZKI, Dobre and Jamez have played around the GLOBE in World Class venues like "Ministry of Sound"(LONDON), "Limilight"(NYC), TOKYO, The RoXY(Amsterdam) and many many more!!!!!!!! THE FIRST US DJ APPERANCE OF DJ'S ZKI, DOBRE, & JAMEZ a.k.a. The Good Men, Basco, 51 days, Transcettors, etc.... Special performances from:******* Chicago's DJ SNEAK *******Dancers performing throughout the evening*********** Presale Tickets are $10.00 and limited/available at: Yesterday and Today Dance Music Ph: (305) 534-8704 1614 Alton Road Miami, FL (south beach) Uncle Sam's Music Bar Ph: (305) 532-0973 1141 Washington Avenue Miami, FL (south beach) Admission: Presale tickets are $10.00 and will be available at the door until 11pm the night of the event: after 11pm $15.00 Location Amnesia International 21 & up welcome 136 Collins Avenue Miami Beach, FL ph: (305) 531-5535 Touche' info: (31) 2526-74253 fax: (31) 2526-87872 This event is brought to you in association with: Boyd Entertainment ph: (305) 651-2496 fax: (305) 651-4567 1670 NE 205 Terrace Miami Beach, FL Touche' and Pssst Music Distributed by NEMESIS MUSIC From dr-660-owner Wed Mar 13 11:30:22 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA00797; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:30:22 -0800 Received: from sun1.iusb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA00782; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:30:17 -0800 Received: (from efinkler@localhost) by sun1.iusb.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) id OAA19190; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 14:28:42 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.music.techno,rec.music.ambient,alt.rave,comp.music.midi,alt.emusic,rec.music.makers.synth,alt.music.alternative,rec.music.christian Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 14:28:36 -0500 (EST) From: Cyberia To: "K2000 user's group" , mailing list for DR-660 , PWEI Nation Subject: CULT OF JESTER: NEW DEMO AVAILABLE NOW! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk CULT OF JESTER, a superfly-crazy techno/industrial/ambient/hip-hop project, is making available its first demo to the public for a measly $3. The tape features 6 songs -- nearly 30 minutes of music total -- that show influences from all over the electronic scene. The track listing is: 1. Sock Monkey 2. Master V1 (new version) 3. Gana 4. Master V2 (as featured on the REX compilation _Electro-Shock Therapy_) 5. Posies 6. Master V3 Samples of some of these songs are available on the extensive Cult of Jester WWW site: http://cns.computel.com/~coj/. All composition and instrumentation was done on a Kurzweil K-2000, with additional sounds provided by a Boss DR-660. For more info, email me: coj@cns.computel.com or efinkler@sun1.iusb.edu. Ed Finkler [========================================================================] [********** CULT OF JESTER **********] [******* New demo of Industrial-Ambient-Trance *******] [***** 6 Songs -- $3 (cash or checks made to Ed Finkler) *****] [**** 2211 Lakeshore Dr/St. Joseph, MI/49085-1840/USA ****] [*** http://cns.computel.com/~coj/ ***] [========================================================================] From dr-660-owner Sun Mar 17 16:56:46 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA13887; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 16:56:46 -0800 Received: from ix.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA13878; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 16:56:43 -0800 Received: from [206.163.122.106] by ix.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id QAA09431; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 16:03:24 -0800 X-Sender: ginny@pop.dorsai.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: please.reply.via.fax.or.smail@fax.number.or.smail.address.shown.below Approved: moderator X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 17:37:35 +0530 To: shyamala.raperjee9@netaccess.net1.ub.in From: shyamala.raperjee9@netaccess.net1.ub.in (Shyamala Raperjee) Subject: ===>> *Fantastic* FREE offer I discovered on the 'net Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company. You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of the info request form below. IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY: Please make sure you return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the actual form below. If you do not know how to cut and paste the below form onto a fresh clean blank page for faxing, then you may re-type the below form, as long as you copy it line for line *exactly.* This is necessary in order for them to be able to process the tremendous number of replies that they get daily. Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be *auto-terminated* if your fax: 1. has a cover page; 2. is more than one page 3. does not begin with the "cut here/begin" line from the below form 4. does not end with the "cut here/end" line from the below form. 5. has any handwritten info. on it (info must must be filled out *only* with your computer keyboard or typewriter keyboard). This last provision re: no handwriting on the form applies to requests sent in via smail also. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NOTE: Their fax line is open 24 hrs. per day / 7 days per week. If you have trouble getting through to their fax, or do not have a fax machine at work or at home, just drop the below form to them via smail (airmail or first class mail). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ *------------cut here/begin-------------------------------------------* REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section (with no cover page) via 1-page fax to: 718-967-1550 in the USA or via smail (first class mail or airmail) to: Magazine Club Inquiry Center Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept. PO Box 990 Staten Island NY 10312-0990 Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :) ---> SORRY, BUT NO HANDWRITTEN FORMS WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED. MUST BE TYPED-OUT ON YOUR COMPUTER OR TYPEWRITER. <--- Name: Internet email address: Smail home address: City-State-Zip: Country: Work Tel. #: Work Fax #: Home Tel. #: Home Fax #: How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Referral by: Shyamala Raperjee. 031796-l Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail: Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you: Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"): *------------cut here/end--------------------------------------------* Catalogue Format Options: 1. 19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total). 2. For more advanced computer users: attached text file ~525K - you must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to open it with your word processor. If in doubt, don't ask for this version. This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1 and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how to deal with this option. 3. For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea), ~133K. Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed. You just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as you still have to know how to deal with an attached file. It will cut your download time by 75%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. 4. For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with Stuffit(tm), ~114K. Can be decompressed by any computer user who has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files. This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your download time by 78%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. Hi fellow 'netters, My name is Shyamala Raperjee and I recently started using a magazine subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price guarantee. Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge. They feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language. Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and cut-out all the middlemen. They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student. I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my part-time software business! Please fill out the above form and carefully follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail. They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet. They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it. They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I haved moved from one country to another. They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from a special list of over 295 popular titles published in the USA. They will give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular USA titles they sell. They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have clients in around 45 or 46 countries now. Outside the USA there is a charge for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie subs) that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to be very friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I moved from one country to another. The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members" (even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail. He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance rates are cheaper then. He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. Sincerely, Shyamala Raperjee ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for each new person you get to join after you join! If you exceed 25 referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas, Chanukah or any other occasion. Please be kind enough to mention my name when you join. I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring you. Thank you. From dr-660-owner Sun Mar 17 17:44:30 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA17363; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 17:44:30 -0800 Received: from liberation.cs.umass.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA17357; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 17:44:28 -0800 Received: from knots.cs.umass.edu (knots.cs.umass.edu [128.119.41.151]) by liberation.cs.umass.edu (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA16552 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 20:44:14 -0500 Received: (from barrett@localhost) by knots.cs.umass.edu (8.7.3/8.6.9) id UAA07909; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 20:44:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 20:44:12 -0500 From: barrett@liberation.cs.umass.edu Message-Id: <199603180144.UAA07909@knots.cs.umass.edu> To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ===>> *Fantastic* FREE offer I discovered on the 'net References: Reply-To: barrett@cs.umass.edu Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On March 16, 1996, Shyamala Raperjee wrote: [Advertisement for magazines] Everybody should be aware that this message is a well-known scam sent by a magazine sales company. The company is run by a person known as "Krazy Kevin." The company regularly masquerades as an ordinary user who says they found an amazing deal on the Net, and encourages you to check it out. The elaborate instructions for replying are Krazy Kevin's attempt to prevent hate mail from users who are angry about this scam. He's been doing it for over a year, and he regularly hits mailing lists like ours. I recently wrote a book about this sort of scamming, if anybody is interested (see my signature). Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett dbarrett@ora.com http://www.ora.com/item/bandits.html | | Author, "Bandits on the Information Superhighway" (O'Reilly & Associates) | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// From dr-660-owner Sun Mar 24 05:36:30 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA06822; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 05:36:30 -0800 Received: from ix.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA06817; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 05:36:28 -0800 Received: from [206.163.115.179] by ix.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id FAA10901; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 05:12:03 -0800 X-Sender: astill@aksi.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-to: please.respond.via.fax.or.smail@fax.number.shown.or.smail.address.shown.thank.you Approved: moderator X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 02:22:29 +0800 To: lucy8@track.uwra.ac.au From: lucy8@track.uwra.ac.au (Lucy Whitten) Subject: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 298+ Popular USA Titles Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company. You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of the info request form below. IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY: Please make sure you return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the actual form below. If you do not know how to cut and paste the below form onto a fresh clean blank page for faxing, then you may re-type the below form, as long as you copy it line for line *exactly.* This is necessary in order for them to be able to process the tremendous number of replies that they get daily. Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be *auto-terminated* if your fax: 1. has a cover page; 2. is more than one page 3. does not begin with the "cut here/begin" line from the below form 4. does not end with the "cut here/end" line from the below form. 5. has any handwritten info. on it (info must must be filled out *only* with your computer keyboard or typewriter keyboard). This last provision re: no handwriting on the form applies to requests sent in via smail also. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NOTE: Their fax line is open 24 hrs. per day / 7 days per week. If you have trouble getting through to their fax, or do not have a fax machine at work or at home, just drop the below form to them via smail (airmail or first class mail). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ *------------cut here/begin-------------------------------------------* REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section (with no cover page) via 1-page fax to: 718-967-1550 in the USA or via smail (first class mail or airmail) to: Magazine Club Inquiry Center Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept. PO Box 990 Staten Island NY 10312-0990 Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :) ---> SORRY, BUT NO HANDWRITTEN FORMS WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED. MUST BE TYPED-OUT ON YOUR COMPUTER OR TYPEWRITER. <--- Name: Internet email address: Smail home address: City-State-Zip: Country: Work Tel. #: Work Fax #: Home Tel. #: Home Fax #: How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Referral by: Lucy Whitten. 032296-l Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail: Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you: Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"): *------------cut here/end--------------------------------------------* Catalogue Format Options: 1. 19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total). 2. For more advanced computer users: attached text file ~525K - you must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to open it with your word processor. If in doubt, don't ask for this version. This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1 and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how to deal with this option. 3. For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea), ~133K. Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed. You just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as you still have to know how to deal with an attached file. It will cut your download time by 75%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. 4. For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with Stuffit(tm), ~114K. Can be decompressed by any computer user who has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files. This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your download time by 78%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. Hi fellow 'netters, My name is Lucy Whitten and I recently started using a magazine subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price guarantee. Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge. They feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language. Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and cut-out all the middlemen. They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student. I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my part-time software business! Please fill out the above form and carefully follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail. They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet. They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it. They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I haved moved from one country to another. They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from a special list of over 295 popular titles published in the USA. They will give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular USA titles they sell. They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have clients in around 45 or 46 countries now. Outside the USA there is a charge for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie subs) that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to be very friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I moved from one country to another. The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members" (even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail. He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance rates are cheaper then. He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. Sincerely, Lucy Whitten ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for each new person you get to join after you join! If you exceed 25 referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas, Chanukah or any other occasion. Please be kind enough to mention my name when you join. I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring you. Thank you. From dr-660-owner Wed Mar 27 08:55:46 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA12600; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:55:46 -0800 Received: from ofelia by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA12593; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:55:43 -0800 Received: from nausika.usp.br (nausika.lsi.usp.br [143.107.3.241]) by ofelia (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA27515 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:50:24 -0300 Received: by nausika.usp.br (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA27622; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:52:41 +0300 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:52:41 +0300 From: fferraz@lsi.usp.br (Fabio Cerioni Ferraz) Message-Id: <9603271752.AA27622@nausika.usp.br> To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: shops in NYC X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 726 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, About a month ago I asked about the price of the 660 in the US. Then I really decided to get one ! Next week I'm going to NYC and I'll look for shops where I can get it. Does anyone know any good music shop in NYC (Manhattan area) ??? I'm waiting for any answer, any adress... Thank you very much ! [ ]' Fabio <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Fabio Cerioni Ferraz (fferraz@lsi.usp.br) Division of Artificial Intelligence and Automation Laboratory of Integrated Systems - University of Sao Paulo - Brazil http://www.lsi.usp.br/~fferraz/fferraz.html <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From dr-660-owner Wed Mar 27 19:49:41 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA21652; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:49:41 -0800 Received: from hertz.njit.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA21643; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:49:34 -0800 Received: from ppp-228-139.njit.edu (ppp-228-139.njit.edu [128.235.228.139]) by hertz.njit.edu (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA06937 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:49:24 -0500 Received: by ppp-228-139.njit.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BB1C2F.CFABBD00@ppp-228-139.njit.edu>; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:50:35 -0500 Message-ID: <01BB1C2F.CFABBD00@ppp-228-139.njit.edu> From: Christopher Onjian To: "'dr-660@hyperreal.com'" Subject: FW: shops in NYC Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:49:55 -0500 Encoding: 47 TEXT Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ---------- From: Fabio Cerioni Ferraz[SMTP:fferraz@lsi.usp.br] Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 1996 6:52 AM To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: shops in NYC Hi everyone, About a month ago I asked about the price of the 660 in the US. Then I really decided to get one ! Next week I'm going to NYC and I'll look for shops where I can get it. Does anyone know any good music shop in NYC (Manhattan area) ??? There are several "big" stores located on 48th street in manhattan. Two (to my knowlage) sell midi and keyboard equipment. Maney's music and Sam Ash. Maney's Music is always busy, and there is always a problem trying to get a salesperson to help you. It seems to me that if your not "mr big guy on the cover of Rolling Stone or on MTV" they pretty much ignore you. This is emphisized by the fact that there are alot of "pro" people who shop there on a regular basis. Their MIDI/Keyboard department is quite big, and so are the prices. Sam Ash has always been my fav place to shop. Their MIDI/Keyboard department isn't as big (although they have a big computer/sequencer department), but they have lower prices and their sales people are always helpfull. I would recomend checking out Sam Ash first. I bought all my current midi equipment (alesis quadrasynth pro, Dr600 obviously, korg m1..etc) from their store in Paramus, NJ. Hope this helps... -=Chris=- ************************************************************************ ********* * Computer Engineering Student, New Jersey Institute of Technology * * E-Mail-----> clo4748@hertz.njit.edu * * Web page----> http://hertz.njit.edu/~clo4748 * * Sysop of The Technical Forum BBS, Wood-Ridge, NJ 201-933-2363* ************************************************************************ ********* From dr-660-owner Mon Apr 1 07:37:54 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA00721; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:37:54 -0800 Received: from psb.sbu.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA00708; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:37:44 -0800 From: barrett@liberation.cs.umass.edu Received: by vax.sbu.ac.uk (MX V4.2 VAX) with SITE; Mon, 01 Apr 1996 16:36:17 BST Received: from taz.hyperreal.com by psb.sbu.ac.uk (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 01:50:29 GMT Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA17363; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 17:44:30 -0800 Received: from liberation.cs.umass.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA17357; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 17:44:28 -0800 Received: from knots.cs.umass.edu (knots.cs.umass.edu [128.119.41.151]) by liberation.cs.umass.edu (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA16552 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 20:44:14 -0500 Received: (from barrett@localhost) by knots.cs.umass.edu (8.7.3/8.6.9) id UAA07909; Sun, 17 Mar 1996 20:44:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 20:44:12 -0500 Message-ID: <199603180144.UAA07909@knots.cs.umass.edu> To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ===>> *Fantastic* FREE offer I discovered on the 'net Reply-To: barrett@cs.umass.edu Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk We have been having some major problems with our mail system for the last week. The backlog is now being cleared. However you may receive messages more than once. Our apologies for any inconvenience caused. =============================== Original Message follows ====================== On March 16, 1996, Shyamala Raperjee wrote: [Advertisement for magazines] Everybody should be aware that this message is a well-known scam sent by a magazine sales company. The company is run by a person known as "Krazy Kevin." The company regularly masquerades as an ordinary user who says they found an amazing deal on the Net, and encourages you to check it out. The elaborate instructions for replying are Krazy Kevin's attempt to prevent hate mail from users who are angry about this scam. He's been doing it for over a year, and he regularly hits mailing lists like ours. I recently wrote a book about this sort of scamming, if anybody is interested (see my signature). Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett dbarrett@ora.com http://www.ora.com/item/bandits.html | | Author, "Bandits on the Information Superhighway" (O'Reilly & Associates) | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// From dr-660-owner Sat Apr 6 13:38:54 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA02335; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 13:38:54 -0800 Received: from franklin.seas.gwu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA02328; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 13:38:51 -0800 Received: from [128.227.163.147] (dialup12.afn.org [128.227.163.140]) by franklin.seas.gwu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA19862; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:02:51 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: nicola.du.plessis@vax1.uni.durban.ac.za (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: please.reply.via.fax@or.smail.to.fax.number.or.smail.address.shown.below.thank.you Approved: moderator X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:45:33 +0200 To: nicola.du.plessis@uni.durban.ac.za From: nicola.du.plessis@uni.durban.ac.za, dfgeinlink22@vax1.vax.joburg.org.za, chiu@cap.town.ac.za, ronnie@jhft.co.za, ellen@tci.co.za, samuels@uni.transvaal.ac.za, c.en@birmingham.org.za, chir@natal.co.za, wrend@rfg1.co.za, susans@uni.swazilan.ac.za, gregor@southampton.org.za, ellen@plymouth.ac.za, gfos@fresno.co.za, tr.ns@uni.london.ac.za, jimt@uni.london.ac.za, fharile@plymouth.org.za, relson@c.ilds.co.za, nels@hall.co.za, sarap@ruv4.co.za, gspelling@earthlite.co.za (Nicola du Plessis, President of the South Africa Association of University Students and the Board of Directors of the South Africa Association of University Students) Subject: ---> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 290+ Popular USA Titles Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company. You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of the info request form below. IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY: Please make sure you return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the actual form below. If you do not know how to cut and paste the below form onto a fresh clean blank page for faxing, then you may re-type the below form, as long as you copy it line for line *exactly.* This is necessary in order for them to be able to process the tremendous number of replies that they get daily. Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be *auto-terminated* and/or *auto-deleted* from the incoming queue of faxes to be read, if your fax: 1. has a cover page; 2. is more than one page 3. is sent more than one time 4. does not begin with the "cut here/begin" line from the below form 5. does not end with the "cut here/end" line from the below form. 6. has any handwritten info. on it (info must must be filled out *only* with your computer keyboard or typewriter keyboard). This last provision re: no handwriting on the form applies to requests sent in via smail also. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NOTE: Their fax line is open 24 hrs. per day / 7 days per week. However, if you have trouble getting through due to the high volume of overseas faxes coming in during the early morning and late night hours, please note that the best time to get through to their fax is Monday-Friday, 9 am - 5 pm EST (New York Time). If you have trouble getting through to their fax, or do not have a fax machine at work or at home, just drop the below form to them via smail (airmail or first class mail). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ *------------cut here/begin-------------------------------------------* REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section (with no cover page) via 1-page fax to: 718-967-1550 in the USA or via smail (first class mail or airmail) to: Magazine Club Inquiry Center Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept. PO Box 990 Staten Island NY 10312-0990 Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :) ---> SORRY, BUT NO HANDWRITTEN FORMS WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED. MUST BE TYPED-OUT ON YOUR COMPUTER OR TYPEWRITER. <--- Name: Internet email address: Smail home address: City-State-Zip: Country: Work Tel. #: Work Fax #: Home Tel. #: Home Fax #: How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Referral by: Nicola du Plessis. 040696-l Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail: Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you: Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"): *------------cut here/end--------------------------------------------* Catalogue Format Options: 1. 19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total). 2. For more advanced computer users: attached text file ~525K - you must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to open it with your word processor. If in doubt, don't ask for this version. This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1 and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how to deal with this option. 3. For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea), ~133K. Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed. You just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as you still have to know how to deal with an attached file. It will cut your download time by 75%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. 4. For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with Stuffit(tm), ~114K. Can be decompressed by any computer user who has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files. This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your download time by 78%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. Hi fellow 'netters, My name is Nicola du Plessis and I recently started using a magazine subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price guarantee. Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge. They feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language. Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and cut-out all the middlemen. They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student. I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my part-time software business! Please fill out the above form and carefully follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail. They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet. They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it. They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I haved moved from one country to another. They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from a special list of over 295 popular titles published in the USA. They will give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular USA titles they sell. They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have clients in around 45 or 46 countries now. Outside the USA there is a charge for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie subs) that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to be very friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I moved from one country to another. The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members" (even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail. He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance rates are cheaper then. He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. Sincerely, Nicola du Plessis From dr-660-owner Mon Apr 8 00:40:24 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA06429; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 00:40:24 -0700 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA06424; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 00:40:21 -0700 From: JohnChen00@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA02524; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:34:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:34:35 -0400 Message-ID: <960408033430_266460825@emout04.mail.aol.com> Subject: Interesting Free Offer........ Apparently-To: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Interesting Free Offer........ Date: 96-04-08 02:45:01 EDT From: JohnChen00 To: announcement.service@r1.f62.n8669.z303.fidonet.org -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company. You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of the info request form below. IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY: Please make sure you return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the actual form below. If you do not know how to cut and paste the below form onto a fresh clean blank page for faxing, then you may re-type the below form, as long as you copy it line for line *exactly.* This is necessary in order for them to be able to process the tremendous number of replies that they get daily. Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be *auto-terminated* and/or *auto-deleted* from the incoming queue of faxes to be read, if your fax: 1. has a cover page; 2. is more than one page 3. is sent more than one time 4. does not begin with the "cut here/begin" line from the below form 5. does not end with the "cut here/end" line from the below form. 6. has any handwritten info. on it (info must must be filled out *only* with your computer keyboard or typewriter keyboard). This last provision re: no handwriting on the form applies to requests sent in via smail also. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NOTE: Their fax line is open 24 hrs. per day / 7 days per week. However, if you have trouble getting through due to the high volume of overseas faxes coming in during the early morning and late night hours, please note that the best time to get through to their fax is Monday-Friday, 9 am - 5 pm EST (New York Time). If you have trouble getting through to their fax, or do not have a fax machine at work or at home, just drop the below form to them via smail (airmail or first class mail). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ *------------cut here/begin-------------------------------------------* REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section (with no cover page) via 1-page fax to: 718-967-1550 in the USA or via smail (first class mail or airmail) to: Magazine Club Inquiry Center Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept. PO Box 990 Staten Island NY 10312-0990 Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :) ---> SORRY, BUT NO HANDWRITTEN FORMS WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED. MUST BE TYPED-OUT ON YOUR COMPUTER OR TYPEWRITER. <--- Name: Internet email address: Smail home address: City-State-Zip: Country: Work Tel. #: Work Fax #: Home Tel. #: Home Fax #: How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Referral by: John Chen. 040896-l-ifo Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail: Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you: Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"): *------------cut here/end--------------------------------------------* Catalogue Format Options: 1. 19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total). 2. For more advanced computer users: attached text file ~525K - you must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to open it with your word processor. If in doubt, don't ask for this version. This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1 and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how to deal with this option. 3. For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea), ~133K. Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed. You just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as you still have to know how to deal with an attached file. It will cut your download time by 75%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. 4. For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with Stuffit(tm), ~114K. Can be decompressed by any computer user who has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files. This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your download time by 78%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. Hi fellow 'netters, My name is John Chen and I recently started using a magazine subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price guarantee. Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half of what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge. They feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language. Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and cut-out all the middlemen. They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student. I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my part-time software business! Please fill out the above form and carefully follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail. They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet. They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it. They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I haved moved from one country to another. They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from a special list of over 295 popular titles published in the USA. They will give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular USA titles they sell. They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have clients in around 45 or 46 countries now. Outside the USA there is a charge for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie subs) that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to be very friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I moved from one country to another. The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members" (even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail. He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas, he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long distance rates are cheaper then. He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. Sincerely, John Chen From dr-660-owner Mon Apr 8 08:43:55 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA10937; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:43:55 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA10921; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:43:38 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id IAA15396; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:43:27 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:43:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: restricting posts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i've set up dr-660 to restrict posts to members of the list, do to the recent spate of hyperreal-list spams. i didnt do this before because there had never been much spamming, and it causes headaches for the list administrator. so if you post something and you dont see it on the list right away, and when you do i had to forward it, it's because of the new list policy. oh by the way, if you have problems with the list, tell them to me, at dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com, or tint@hyperreal.com mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- home: www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ grooveneedle records: www.hyperreal.com/music/labels/grooveneedle/ music machines: www.hyperreal.com/machines/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mike perkowitz map@cs.washington.edu tint@grooveneedle.com From dr-660-owner Mon Apr 8 09:30:14 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA15742; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:30:14 -0700 Received: from news.norlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA15728; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:30:10 -0700 Received: from manda (saruman2.norlink.net [204.50.130.132]) by news.norlink.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03672 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 11:28:37 -0400 Message-ID: <31693F00.2AFB@norlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 12:29:52 -0400 From: Gerry Pawluk X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0GoldB2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Behringer MDX 1200 Compressor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Any comments on the above gear? (Besides the copycat aspect.) From dr-660-owner Mon Apr 8 22:03:54 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA03170; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:03:54 -0700 Received: from draco.bison.mb.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA03153; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:03:49 -0700 Received: by draco.bison.mb.ca id AA22109 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for dr-660@hyperreal.com); Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:07:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:07:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Linton To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Anyone home? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all. I've been on this list for a while and haven't seen any posts (except Mike's spam warning). Anyway, I figured I'd get the ball rolling (again?). I was wondering if anyone has any tips for the 660's reverb settings? There defenitly isn't much difference between the hall/room/plate settings, and they are a tad stiff sounding. Any suggestions? It's too bad you can't use both effects processors and the two idiv outs. Anyone feel like hacking the ROM? There's must be a way around this. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: : "If controlling the VCF with the RES knob set to high, you can obtain : : a sort of tone color impossible to make with any other musical : : instrument" -- Roland Jupiter-6 manual : ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From dr-660-owner Tue Apr 9 16:10:40 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA20184; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:10:40 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA20177; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:10:38 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id QAA21827; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:10:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:10:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this was bounced to me by our newly more strict list manager.. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:38:41 -0700 From: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com To: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Subject: BOUNCE dr-660@hyperreal.com: Non-member submission from [Aaron Harris ] >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Apr 9 13:38:38 1996 Received: from utkux4.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA03743; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:38:37 -0700 Received: by utkux4.utcc.utk.edu (5.x/2.7c-UTK) id AA04182; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:34:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:34:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Harris X-Sender: aharris@utkux4.utcc.utk.edu To: DR660 List Subject: Re: Anyone home? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, Paul Linton wrote: > > Hi all. I've been on this list for a while and haven't seen any posts > (except Mike's spam warning). Anyway, I figured I'd get the ball rolling > (again?). yes, some of us are in fact home. but you are correct, the traffic has been slow as of late. yeah the ball rolls here and there, but when it rolls, the list gets very good traffic! > I was wondering if anyone has any tips for the 660's reverb settings? > There defenitly isn't much difference between the hall/room/plate settings, > and they are a tad stiff sounding. Any suggestions? I agree, the difference in settings is very subtle. AND it sucks that you can't use delay and reverb at the same time. the delay by itself it very dry, and sometimes the reverb by itself needs an extra boost. I personally use the hall reverb, jack the master level at 9, and set my pads at around 5, depending on the pad of course. > It's too bad you can't use both effects processors and the two idiv > outs. Anyone feel like hacking the ROM? There's must be a way around > this. I feel like hacking the RAM, as the age-old argument has continued on this least for as long as I know. Ill tell you a discussion Id like to bring up (to mike and others that I remember discussing about 10 months ago, maybe longer) I heard there is a way to put the 660 in diagnostic mode upon boot-up. is this true? And also, while in diagnostic mode, you can check the remaning amount of memory, etc... you can do this on the DR5, but not on the 660. is this just a rumor?? Like, you turn the 660 on while holding certain pads... kind of like the Juno106, you turn it on holding in the chorus button (or something, dont quote me on this) and it puts it in diag. mode, to check oscillators, keys, etc... someone clear this rumor up!!! THANKS for reading. Aaron Harris >>>>>-----------------<<<<< -=<<<<< Razorguts@utk.edu >>>>>=- >>>>>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<<<<< From dr-660-owner Wed Apr 10 10:37:35 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA26633; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:37:35 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA26624; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:37:31 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id KAA25327; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:37:22 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:37:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk another hyperreal bounce ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 01:47:50 -0700 From: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com To: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Subject: BOUNCE dr-660@hyperreal.com: Non-member submission from [d93fso@Borlange.DU.SE (Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93)] >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Apr 10 01:47:48 1996 Received: from du.se by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA07004; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 01:47:46 -0700 Received: from blg.du.se (Borlange [130.238.197.10]) by du.se (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17928 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:48:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from tex17.du.se by blg.du.se (5.x/BLG_DU-2.0) id AA27903; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:46:07 +0200 Received: by tex17.du.se (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02075; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:44:36 +0200 From: d93fso@Borlange.DU.SE (Fredrik Solenberg - HFB T d93) Message-Id: <9604100844.AA02075@tex17.du.se> Subject: Diag. mode and such To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:44:34 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > I was wondering if anyone has any tips for the 660's reverb settings? > > There defenitly isn't much difference between the hall/room/plate settings, > > and they are a tad stiff sounding. Any suggestions? > > I agree, the difference in settings is very subtle. AND it sucks > that you can't use delay and reverb at the same time. the delay by > itself it very dry, and sometimes the reverb by itself needs an extra boost. > I personally use the hall reverb, jack the master level at 9, and set my > pads at around 5, depending on the pad of course. When I think about it, I doubt that I've EVER used the internal effects processor. Maybe I did use them a bit, until I connected all outputs to the mixer. I think the dr-660 sounds boring, as is. There is a remedy, though: buy a cheap distorsion box for guitars (one of those very digital sounding units, there are often words as "Metal" or "Thrash" on them) and hook it up in one effects send-return. Then distort the kicks and snares and the hihats! Also, remember to mute the high frequencies (say 10k) of the hats by at least 6 dB. Now we're talking about drums and not plastic! I also find it interesting to pervert the hats with an Electro-Harmonix Electric Mistress unit, or to add just a tad of digital flanger (not too deep, and oscillating at, say, 20 Hz) on the kicks and snares. Mmmm.. what was I really supposed to say in this post..?? Anyway, I also usually distort the kicks, snares and hats quite a bit at the gain stage of the mixer, to get a little more punch. I think thats about my favourite uses of the 660. Mmm.. > > > It's too bad you can't use both effects processors and the two idiv > > outs. Anyone feel like hacking the ROM? There's must be a way around > > this. So you seriously believe that the Roland engineers would have missed that possibility, if it was possible? Well, of course there is a chance, but I definitely doubt it! When I opened up the 660 I can't remember that I saw a single IC that I could recognize. This means that the Roland guys designed their own CPU (it's not too hard, using VHDL), which in turn means that the possibilities of disassembling the machine code, or even to understand it, seem pretty remote. (Correct me if I'm wrong about this, it's been a while since I looked into the machine). > I feel like hacking the RAM, as the age-old argument has > continued on this least for as long as I know. > > Ill tell you a discussion Id like to bring up (to mike and others > that I remember discussing about 10 months ago, maybe longer) > > I heard there is a way to put the 660 in diagnostic mode upon > boot-up. is this true? And also, while in diagnostic mode, you can > check the remaning amount of memory, etc... you can do this on the DR5, > but not on the 660. is this just a rumor?? Like, you turn the 660 on > while holding certain pads... kind of like the Juno106, you turn it on > holding in the chorus button (or something, dont quote me on this) and > it puts it in diag. mode, to check oscillators, keys, etc... > > someone clear this rumor up!!! THANKS for reading. Get yourself a copy of the DR-660 service notes. If there is a diagnostic mode, the service notes will tell you how to get there. I've never had any fun in diag. modes anyway, so what's the fuzz? / Fredrik Solenberg From dr-660-owner Thu Apr 11 06:08:55 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA26263; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 06:08:55 -0700 Received: from draco.bison.mb.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA26252; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 06:08:45 -0700 Received: by draco.bison.mb.ca id AA30210 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for DR-660 Mailing List ); Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:13:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:13:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Linton To: Mike Perkowitz Cc: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > buy a cheap distorsion box for guitars (one of those very digital > sounding units, there are often words as "Metal" or "Thrash" on them) and > hook it up in one effects send-return. Then distort the kicks and snares and > the hihats! Also, remember to mute the high frequencies (say 10k) of the > hats by at least 6 dB. Now we're talking about drums and not plastic! I use a Boss HM-2 pedal. It works well, but I'm looking for smooth reverb. I'd prefer to run the outs into my Roland SH synths, that'll give you distortion, some bass boost, and lovely rezzy filter sweeps. I use the built-in flange/chorus a LOT. But the reverb I try not to use too much. > So you seriously believe that the Roland engineers would have missed that > possibility, if it was possible? Well, of course there is a chance, but I > definitely doubt it! I think it was a questions of economics. It would have jacked the price quite a bit to add the extra hardware. I doubt you could add more outs too, but you never know. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: : "If controlling the VCF with the RES knob set to high, you can obtain : : a sort of tone color impossible to make with any other musical : : instrument" -- Roland Jupiter-6 manual : ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From dr-660-owner Mon Apr 15 08:22:09 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA25787; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:22:09 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA25778; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:22:04 -0700 From: Chris_Tattersall.RXUK@eur.xerox.com Received: from eurodns2.eur.xerox.com ([13.202.66.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <17902(12)>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:21:30 PDT Received: from by eurodns2.eur.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB28627; Mon, 15 Apr 96 16:20:37 BST X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 15-Apr-1996 16:22:25 +0100; at RX-RXUK-UXB-MS1.RX X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 15-Apr-1996 16:21:53 +0100; at RX-RXL-MARL-MS01.RX X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 15-Apr-1996 16:22:09 +0100; at RXUK-UXB-MS04.RX Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 09:22:03 PDT To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: 909 hi-hat sounds Message-Id: <"<0D65723181D0667C>0D65723181D0667C@RXUK-UXB-MS04.RX"@-SMF-> Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does any one know how to get the closest approximation to 909 hi hats out of the DR-660? This is the only sound I really miss, it has all the rest. It seems strange that they omitted the high hats. Chris From dr-660-owner Fri Apr 19 12:51:51 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA13507; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:51:51 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA13495; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:51:46 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id MAA19123; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:51:43 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:51:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this was bounced to me.. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Apr 19 07:26:57 1996 Received: from saluki-mail.fiber2.siu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA06464; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 07:26:57 -0700 Received: from port154.aixdialin.siu.edu by saluki-mail.fiber2.siu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA136693; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:24:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:24:18 -0500 Message-Id: <9604191424.AA136693@saluki-mail.fiber2.siu.edu> X-Sender: jgehner@saluki-mail.siu.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: jgehner@siu.edu (John Gehner) Subject: PUNISHING BASS KICKS Was'sup? I've had a 660 for about two months now. As I've been a poor college student, it took me forever to save for one--had to make do with a chintzy Alesis HR:16-B and a kazoo. (Helped me learn the basics, though.) ANYWAY--I just wondered if someone out there could float me some tips for setting up the best/biggest/hardest/deepest/etc. bass kicks. (I mean, I've been figuring stuff out on my own, but good suggestions could speed up the process.) I'm looking for specifics here: exact settings and so forth. I'm Mr. Humble Beginnings, okay? Novation Bass Station, Dr-660, Alesis MMT-8, (and slowly growing). I'd be happy to write ANYONE who responds into my will. (At the very least, I'll say "Thank you.") Knowing that there's a world full of knowledgeable Mofos who can't wait to help, --jg From dr-660-owner Wed Apr 24 07:04:44 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA14355; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:04:44 -0700 Received: from saluki-mail.fiber2.siu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA14344; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:04:41 -0700 Received: from port180.aixdialin.siu.edu by saluki-mail.fiber2.siu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA58079; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:01:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:01:40 -0500 Message-Id: <9604241401.AA58079@saluki-mail.fiber2.siu.edu> X-Sender: jgehner@saluki-mail.siu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: DR-660@hyperreal.com From: jgehner@siu.edu (John Gehner) Subject: Son of Punishing Bass Kicks Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Since I've had an absolute GLUT of responses to my first message (that's sarcasm, kids--I've only had one response), I'll try this again. I've read a wide range of mail debating the 660's relative worth/worthlessness. On the down-side it seems that a lot of X0X purist weiners think that (among other things) the bass kicks are weak. So--I would be interested in obtaining information as to how to make the hardest/ deepest/chunkiest bass kicks with the 660. I'm interested in specific settings, please, in order to speed up the learning process. Which kicks can be tweaked into something wonderful? And I'm interested in making the most of the 660's stock capabilities--yes, sooner or later I'll get an effects processor. Look, I'm beggin' ya. I'm goin' nuts here in Cooterville. I need somethin' that'll drown out my neighbors' Van Halen and Richie Sambora. Somethin' that B. J. Cornpone would be too scared to line-dance to. Somethin' mean and ugly, somethin' that sounds like brass knuckles feel . . . Most sincerely, --jg "A paranoid is a man who knows a little of what's going on." --William Burroughs From dr-660-owner Wed Apr 24 08:29:18 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA23994; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:29:18 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA23988; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:29:16 -0700 Received: from [206.79.132.104] (oscar.cyborganic.com [206.79.132.104]) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA11420; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:29:26 -0700 To: jgehner@siu.edu (John Gehner), DR-660@hyperreal.com From: Jon Drukman Subject: Re: Son of Punishing Bass Kicks Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 7:01 AM 4/24/96, John Gehner wrote: > I've read a wide range of mail debating the 660's relative >worth/worthlessness. On the down-side it seems that a lot of X0X purist >weiners think that (among other things) the bass kicks are weak. So--I >would be interested in obtaining information as to how to make the hardest/ >deepest/chunkiest bass kicks with the 660. use the TR909 kick. adjust the nuance so it's slightly "clicky". now run it through a compressor and a distortion or overdrive pedal. i guarantee you will be pleased with the result. (a good compressor is probably the most important investment you'll make in your studio outside of speakers.) -- Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://www.cyborganic.com/bass-kittens/ From dr-660-owner Wed May 8 21:52:41 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA09571; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:52:41 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA09558; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:52:34 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net (tsheets@xanadu.cyborganic.net [206.79.136.20]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA14187 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id VAA11645 for DR-660@hyperreal.com; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:51:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199605090451.VAA11645@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: prices in bay area? To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 21:51:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just played with a dr-660 at guitar center and all I can say is... gotta have it gotta have it. I live in the bay area and was wondering if anyone knew of any place that might have better prices than the 450 offered by Guitar Center? What is a good price for one? Additionally, There is no Recycler in the bay area... is there a similar publication that has similar gear listings? And of course, if anyone wants to sell their dr-660... Any other tips you might have for me getting one of these for the least amount of cash will be GREATly apperciated. thanks! -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From dr-660-owner Thu May 9 12:39:38 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA02910; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:39:38 -0700 Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA02904; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:39:36 -0700 Received: from pipe17.h1.usa.pipeline.com by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id TAA16217; Thu, 9 May 1996 19:39:04 GMT Received: by pipe17.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id TAA26691; Thu, 9 May 1996 19:38:48 GMT Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 19:38:48 GMT Message-Id: <199605091938.TAA26691@pipe17.h1.usa.pipeline.com> To: Troy Sheets Subject: Re: prices in bay area? From: sine@usa.pipeline.com () Cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com X-PipeUser: sine X-PipeHub: usa.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: () X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk $450 is way too high to pay for a dr-660. i got mine for $389 at ace music. don't know if you've got that outlet where you are though. try buying from a mail order outlet...you probably won't have to even pay tax on it that way either. consider the new mk-ii...it costs a bit more but seems to have a better s/n ratio than the dr-660. From dr-660-owner Thu May 9 14:43:33 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15140; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:43:33 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA15128; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:43:25 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id OAA25794; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:42:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:42:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: prices in bay area? In-Reply-To: <199605091938.TAA26691@pipe17.h1.usa.pipeline.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk there's a dr-660 mk ii??? do tell.. any changes beyond improved s/n? m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MIDI is an international standard, but each manufacturer also has its own messages to remain originality of each product. -- from the Roland Guidebook for MIDI ----------------------------------------------------------------------- home: www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ grooveneedle records: www.hyperreal.com/music/labels/grooveneedle/ music machines: www.hyperreal.com/machines/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mike perkowitz map@cs.washington.edu tint@grooveneedle.com From dr-660-owner Thu May 9 16:22:15 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA25557; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:22:15 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA25550; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:22:13 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id QAA29751; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:22:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199605092322.QAA29751@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Re: prices in bay area? To: map@cs.washington.edu (Mike Perkowitz) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 16:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Mike Perkowitz" at May 9, 96 02:42:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > there's a dr-660 mk ii??? do tell.. any changes beyond improved s/n? > Ben at Kraft Music didn't know anything about it. Perhaps the origanal poster was thinking of the dr-550 mk ii?? BTW, I ordered a dr-660 from Ben at Kraft Music for 385, plus 10 dollars for shipping, and no sales tax! Woo Hoo! thanks for everyone's help. I'll stay subscribed to this list. -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From dr-660-owner Fri May 10 10:10:15 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA10261; Fri, 10 May 1996 10:10:15 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA10248; Fri, 10 May 1996 10:10:08 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id KAA29666; Fri, 10 May 1996 10:10:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:10:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this was bounced to me. *i'm* not selling ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 09:25:21 -0700 From: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com To: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Subject: BOUNCE dr-660@hyperreal.com: Non-member submission from [Joshua Weinberg ] >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 10 09:25:19 1996 Received: from franklin-fddi.cris.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA04758; Fri, 10 May 1996 09:25:18 -0700 Received: from darius.cris.com (darius.cris.com [199.3.126.32]) by franklin-fddi.cris.com (8.7.5/(96/05/02 2.34)) id MAA04451; Fri, 10 May 1996 12:25:16 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: jackas@cris.com Received: from [206.173.6.37] (cnc062037.concentric.net [206.173.6.37]) by darius.cris.com (8.7.3) id MAA12106; Fri, 10 May 1996 12:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199605101624.MAA12106@darius.cris.com> Subject: Dr660 for sale. From: Joshua Weinberg To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hey everyone, I'm selling my Dr-660. it's in excellant condition, fully functioning. I'd like to get $150, or best offer. If your interested respond quickly as I'm ready to sell. From dr-660-owner Sat May 11 07:03:15 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA16227; Sat, 11 May 1996 07:03:15 -0700 Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA16222; Sat, 11 May 1996 07:03:12 -0700 Received: from pipe11.h1.usa.pipeline.com by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id OAA19406; Sat, 11 May 1996 14:02:39 GMT Received: by pipe11.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA14808; Sat, 11 May 1996 14:02:35 GMT Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 14:02:35 GMT Message-Id: <199605111402.OAA14808@pipe11.h1.usa.pipeline.com> To: Troy Sheets Subject: Re: prices in bay area? From: sine@usa.pipeline.com () Cc: map@cs.washington.edu (Mike Perkowitz), dr-660@hyperreal.com X-PipeUser: sine X-PipeHub: usa.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: () X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Musician's Friend still does carry synth equipment, they just probably send you the guitar version of their order catalogs. Call and ask them for the synth catalog...1-800-776-5173 By the way, I was also referring to the Roland R8mkII which I think came out last summer. It seems the sounds in this unit are sampled higher than those in the DR-660, which probably goes without saying since BOSS units are pretty much the low-end of the market. From dr-660-owner Tue May 14 09:50:12 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA14981; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:50:12 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA14976; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:50:09 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id JAA19076; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:49:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:49:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List cc: wdcomp@cent.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk (this was bounced to me by majordomo.. not sure if he's on the list or not) m ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Tue May 14 04:46:31 1996 Received: from osceola.gate.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA18241; Tue, 14 May 1996 04:46:28 -0700 Received: from magliano (tpafl2-40.gate.net [199.227.4.167]) by osceola.gate.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA53748 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 07:45:27 -0400 Message-ID: <31987F11.30D3@cent.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:39:45 -0400 From: Jason Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Dump Request Macros Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there everyone. im a long time user of the DR-660 and love it.... I've recently started using sysEx mesages in my cakewalk files to make it easier to restore drum kit settings for each song. This is all fine and dandy but to make my life a little easier i would love to have some dump request macros for the 660.... If anyone can help me out here i would Be very greatfull. I have searched high and low for any such macros....but alas.... to no avail... Thanks Jason Williams wdcomp@cent.com From dr-660-owner Mon May 20 11:47:28 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA17835; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:47:28 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA17828; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:47:26 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id LAA12946 for dr-660@hyperreal.com; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:47:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199605201847.LAA12946@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: fav kicks 'n snares? To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:47:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk It seems to be the dr-660 is a kinda wierd to program. I was pouring over the manuals last night for awhile just to figure out how to do custom drum sets. I figured it out, eventually. (still having trouble naming a kit!) Anyway, I was making sets of all kicks and snares, picking out my favs. I was just wondering if anyone has some real favorite kicks and snares from the dr-660? -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From dr-660-owner Mon May 20 13:24:03 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA28938; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:24:03 -0700 Received: from hornet.ns.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA28933; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:24:01 -0700 Received: (from dwarzau@localhost) by hornet.ns.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id NAA07420; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:23:57 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: John Deatherage To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: dr-660 vs. mc-303 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm going to buy an MC-303 when it comes out in the US (there's no changing my mind :P ) but is there any reason I'll still need to have a dr-660? From dr-660-owner Mon May 20 14:38:52 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA07456; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:38:52 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA07447; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:38:49 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) id OAA15336; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:38:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199605202138.OAA15336@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Re: dr-660 vs. mc-303 To: dwarzau@ns.net (John Deatherage) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 14:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "John Deatherage" at May 20, 96 01:23:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > I'm going to buy an MC-303 when it comes out in the US (there's no > changing my mind :P ) but is there any reason I'll still need to have a > dr-660? The real question is, when you get a MC-303, will you need anything else at all? You might want to have the dr-660 for the 12-18 months that will elapse between now and when the mc-303 is actually available here (if ever!) Do you really think the MC-303 drums will be better than the dr-660's? Is the synth-bass sound on the dr-660 a 303 sample? Wait a minute, maybe the mc-303 is just a dr-660 re-marketed with the 303 name! I hear a new softdrink, 303 Cola, A new Network Router, the 303-com, and a new All Terrain Vehicle, the 303-wheeler are coming soon also! sorry, its been a slow day... -troy What so special about 303 cola? Lots of Citric Acid. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From dr-660-owner Mon May 20 14:42:17 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA07754; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:42:17 -0700 Received: from utkux4.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA07748; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:42:15 -0700 Received: by utkux4.utcc.utk.edu (5.x/2.7c-UTK) id AA21708; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:42:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:42:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Harris X-Sender: aharris@utkux4.utcc.utk.edu To: John Deatherage Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: dr-660 vs. mc-303 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 May 1996, John Deatherage wrote: > I'm going to buy an MC-303 when it comes out in the US (there's no > changing my mind :P ) but is there any reason I'll still need to have a > dr-660? Well, Id say that the 660 is a far better "drum machine"... and also, I do not know if you are on analog heaven, but the grapevine there is very versatile. I talked to Oliver Lieb at his last show in East USA, nd he says the thing sucks, really. not trying to sway your choice, but that's what I hear, and the 660 would be a better drum machine. anytime these micro composers come out, they are like half+half pieces of rolands better gear. like I have a DR5, and the drum sounds are basically what's in the 660, some are not as good though, and there are more crappy sounds than good ons, editing is more powerful in the 660, etc... hope this helps, again Im not trying to change your mind :) Razorguts >>>>>-----------------<<<<< -=<<<<< Razorguts@utk.edu >>>>>=- >>>>>-----------------<<<<< From dr-660-owner Mon May 20 14:45:32 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA07944; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:45:32 -0700 Received: from utkux4.utcc.utk.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA07929; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:45:28 -0700 Received: by utkux4.utcc.utk.edu (5.x/2.7c-UTK) id AA21874; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:45:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:45:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Harris X-Sender: aharris@utkux4.utcc.utk.edu To: Troy Sheets Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: fav kicks 'n snares? In-Reply-To: <199605201847.LAA12946@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 May 1996, Troy Sheets wrote: > Anyway, I was making sets of all kicks and snares, picking out my favs. > I was just wondering if anyone has some real favorite kicks and snares > from the dr-660? well, after about 2 years of hard practice with the 660, Ive found that the snare and bas drum from the "jazz" set (not jazz2 or brushes, just plain jazz), seem to fit very nicely into many styles/sounds of instrumentation in my musical projcts. I used to use the room kit (altered, of course) bc the snare has a nice crack to it, but the bass is kind of wierd sounding, and the reverb on it sounds like crap. So ive been using the jazz kit modified slightly (different hihats, cymbals tuned down, avoid thae classic 660 "HISS" from the crappy cymbals, etc...) thanks for reading, as always... :) RAZORGUTS >>>>>-----------------<<<<< -=<<<<< Razorguts@utk.edu >>>>>=- >>>>>-----------------<<<<< From dr-660-owner Mon May 20 15:31:39 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA12142; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:31:39 -0700 Received: from huey.disney.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA12132; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:31:36 -0700 From: ericac@fa.disney.com Received: from dalsdb (dalsdb.fa.disney.com [139.104.212.4]) by huey.disney.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11207 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oilspot.fa.disney.com by dalsdb with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #53) id m0uLdU6-00000yC; Mon, 20 May 96 15:31 PDT Received: from nakoma.fa.disney.com by oilspot.fa.disney.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #53) id m0uLdU6-0009D6C; Mon, 20 May 96 15:31 PDT Received: by nakoma.fa.disney.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #53) id m0uLdUE-0002nzC; Mon, 20 May 96 15:31 PDT Message-Id: <9605201531.ZM5669@nakoma> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:31:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com "Re: dr-660 vs. mc-303" (May 20, 5:42pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: dr-660 vs. mc-303 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk buy an MC-303 when it comes out in the US (there's no > > changing my mind :P ) but is there any reason I'll still need to have a > > dr-660? > > > Well, Id say that the 660 is a far better "drum machine"... and > also, I do not know if you are on analog heaven, but the grapevine there > is very versatile. I talked to Oliver Lieb at his last show in East USA, > nd he says the thing sucks, really. not trying to sway your choice, but > that's what I hear, and the 660 would be a better drum machine. anytime > I'd wait for the MC-303 if i needed a drum machine for techno oriented music. The dr-660 is alright, but 'far better' is something that i very seriously doubt. Call me fussy, but I dont think the rhythm programming is as fun to use on the 660 as my 909, and the mc-303 as near as I can tell is an extension of the 909 interface, not to mention and eight track version with buttons to mute/unmute tracks like a sequencer. I think alot of the slagging of the MC-303 is due to some really shitty attitudes. After hearing a demo and reading about its capabilities (admittedly less info than some have), I'd say more objectively that: no, it is not a replacement for a real TB-303 for acid style bass, etc., and for the really serious techno producer it probably cant replace the real analogue beat boxes either. But for someone who wants to get into techo and needs some meat and potatas' to do it with and can't afford a 303 or 909, etc. it's probably a good thing. And it sounds like it will have a much more complete selection of techno drum sounds than the 660. -amErica -- STAR CITIES ACE ericac@fa.disney.com From dr-660-owner Mon May 20 15:44:54 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA13602; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:44:54 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA13597; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:44:51 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id PAA19017; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:44:44 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:44:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: dr-660 vs. mc-303 In-Reply-To: <9605201531.ZM5669@nakoma> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk from what people say, i'm guessing: (1) the mc303 will be a much better general-purpose sequencer/controller than the dr-660 could ever be. even perhaps for sequencing internal drum sounds, though that may depend on your taste in sequencing (the 303 might lose some of the nce drum machine features like shuffle and fine resolution.. who knows) (2) if you just want basic techno 808/909 sounds, the 303 will probably have a better kit than the 660 (remember, the 660 doesnt even have a complete 909 kit). though they may not be as editable, and who knows if it will have those trendy cr78 sounds too. (3) for other other drum sounds, who knows.. but the 660 could have the edge. (4) the 303 will have synth sounds (and some kind of filter) which should beat to death the 660's lame two bass sounds. :) (5) 303 has a filter and some knobs (6) the 303 seems to be going for 600 *pounds*. that's something like $1000 straight across, though gear prices are so inflated in the UK it's more like the equivalent of $600 in gear-dollars. 660s can be had for $300ish (7) however, all sources say the 303 wont be marketed in the us. m disclaimer: i have no more inside information than anyone else. i just have a good memory and a dubious sheen of authority because i run a gear website ;) _______________________________________________________________________ "In this case the filter is driven well beyond normal limits. Like an ultimately appreciative spankee, its noises and gyrations provide depth, complexity and emotional heat which is exciting and highly satisfying for all concerned." -- Robin Whittle, on the Devil Fish _______________________________________________________________________ www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ map@cs.washington.edu www.hyperreal.com/music/labels/grooveneedle/ tint@grooveneedle.com www.hyperreal.com/machines/ mike perkowitz From dr-660-owner Mon May 20 16:23:18 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA17352; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:23:18 -0700 Received: from hornet.ns.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA17345; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:23:15 -0700 Received: (from dwarzau@localhost) by hornet.ns.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id QAA11269; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:23:15 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:23:14 -0700 (PDT) From: John Deatherage To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: more MC-303/dr6 stuff Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the replies and input everybody... One more thing about the new 303, there's an article about it in Future Music magazine, as well as some sample tracks on a companion CD. It's a UK mag, but I picked it up at the Virgin megastore here in Sacramento (I only shop there to buy DJ, Mixmag, and Muzik magazines, okay?). If you haven't checked it out yet, do so now :) From dr-660-owner Mon May 20 16:26:54 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA17920; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:26:54 -0700 Received: from hornet.ns.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA17913; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:26:51 -0700 Received: (from dwarzau@localhost) by hornet.ns.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id QAA11357; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:26:51 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:26:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John Deatherage To: ericac@fa.disney.com cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: dr-660 vs. mc-303 In-Reply-To: <9605201531.ZM5669@nakoma> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I think alot of the slagging of the MC-303 is due to some really > shitty attitudes. > After hearing a demo and reading about its capabilities (admittedly > less info than some have), I'd say more objectively that: no, it is not > a replacement for a real TB-303 for acid style bass, etc., and for > the really serious techno producer it probably cant replace the real > analogue beat boxes either. But for someone who wants to get into techo I think that most of the slagging is coming from analogue purists, that of course are going to be a little jaded. The only thing I'm wondering about is what the 808 sounds are like, since I'm into bottom-heavy breakbeat stuff... From dr-660-owner Mon May 20 18:03:33 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA28562; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:03:33 -0700 Received: from hornet.ns.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA28555; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:03:31 -0700 Received: (from dwarzau@localhost) by hornet.ns.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id SAA13979; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:03:24 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:03:24 -0700 (PDT) From: John Deatherage To: Cyberia cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: more MC-303/dr6 stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Or maybe you already checked it out... > > *hides in embarassment...* Hehe... yup... Have you actually seen a real-life demo? From dr-660-owner Mon May 20 18:11:56 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA29323; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:11:56 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA29308; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:11:53 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id SAA19519; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:11:48 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:11:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:55:19 -0700 From: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com To: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Subject: BOUNCE dr-660@hyperreal.com: Non-member submission from [Cyberia ] >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 20 17:55:15 1996 Received: from sun1.iusb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA27691; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:55:14 -0700 Received: (from efinkler@localhost) by sun1.iusb.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) id TAA24537; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:55:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 19:55:09 -0500 (EST) From: Cyberia To: John Deatherage cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: dr-660 vs. mc-303 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 20 May 1996, John Deatherage wrote: > I think that most of the slagging is coming from analogue purists, that > of course are going to be a little jaded. The only thing I'm wondering > about is what the 808 sounds are like, since I'm into bottom-heavy > breakbeat stuff... If you can;t demo the unit around your area, look for the latest issue of future music -- it's got a cover feature on the MC-303, and demos on the CD that comes with the mag. Ed Finkler [========================================================================] [********** CULT OF JESTER **********] [******* New demo of Industrial-Ambient-Trance *******] [***** 6 Songs -- $3 (cash or checks made to Ed Finkler) *****] [**** 2211 Lakeshore Dr/St. Joseph, MI/49085-1840/USA ****] [*** http://www.networkamerica.com/~coj/ ***] [========================================================================] From dr-660-owner Mon May 20 18:12:14 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA29366; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:12:14 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA29361; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:12:12 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id SAA19529; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:12:12 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:12:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:56:35 -0700 From: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com To: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Subject: BOUNCE dr-660@hyperreal.com: Non-member submission from [Cyberia ] >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Mon May 20 17:56:33 1996 Received: from sun1.iusb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA27767; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:56:32 -0700 Received: (from efinkler@localhost) by sun1.iusb.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) id TAA24587; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:56:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 19:56:28 -0500 (EST) From: Cyberia To: John Deatherage cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: more MC-303/dr6 stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 20 May 1996, John Deatherage wrote: > Thanks for all the replies and input everybody... One more thing about > the new 303, there's an article about it in Future Music magazine, as > well as some sample tracks on a companion CD. It's a UK mag, but I > picked it up at the Virgin megastore here in Sacramento (I only shop > there to buy DJ, Mixmag, and Muzik magazines, okay?). If you haven't > checked it out yet, do so now :) Or maybe you already checked it out... *hides in embarassment...* Ed Finkler [========================================================================] [********** CULT OF JESTER **********] [******* New demo of Industrial-Ambient-Trance *******] [***** 6 Songs -- $3 (cash or checks made to Ed Finkler) *****] [**** 2211 Lakeshore Dr/St. Joseph, MI/49085-1840/USA ****] [*** http://www.networkamerica.com/~coj/ ***] [========================================================================] From dr-660-owner Tue May 21 00:05:35 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA00500; Tue, 21 May 1996 00:05:35 -0700 Received: from netshop.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA00495; Tue, 21 May 1996 00:05:33 -0700 From: cam@netshop.net Received: from smithers-24.netshop.net (smithers-24.netshop.net [204.239.197.183]) by netshop.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA11854 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 00:03:37 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 00:03:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199605210703.AAA11854@netshop.net> X-Sender: cam@netshop.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Midi Stuff Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Before I get started, I'll just let you all know that I'm a midiot. I just started with all this stuff a little while ago, and know next to nothing about MIDI or electronics in general. What I was wondering is what exactly I have to do to get my dr-660 to trigger .wav files from my computer through the midi port I have installed. Is this possible? What kind of software do I need to do this, and how much is it gonna cost me? Can I download it off the net, ie at some shareware site? What I'm trying to do here is find a cheaper alternative to buying an actual sampler. Where I come from, they cost about $800 Canadian for a low-end model, which is way more than I can afford right now. Thanks in advance for your help... cam From dr-660-owner Tue May 21 09:46:02 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA29174; Tue, 21 May 1996 09:46:02 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA29157; Tue, 21 May 1996 09:46:00 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id JAA23060; Tue, 21 May 1996 09:46:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: fav kicks 'n snares? In-Reply-To: <199605201847.LAA12946@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk favorite kicks. hmm. the 909 hard kick is nice. doesnt really sound very much like a 909.. a little too thin. but it's nice in its own right. i keep thinking a lot of the kicks i hear on bad commercial dance crap are this rather than a real 909. i like the 808 kick with the decay around 21. ;) i have this old atmospheric track that coasts along nicely and every now and then that kick comes in (and when it comes in, it stays in for several seconds) and the whole mix crinkles around it. distortion is your friend. i also like the house kick and the shell kick.. both have that kind of 808 boooooooom flavor, but with subtle differences. i have to say i'm not a big fan of most of the other kicks. snares. i use the 808 snare a lot as a filler sound. like, i'll devote about four pads to it, each with slight tuning and nuance differences and then do a pattern just full of snare hits, so it's more of a running sound than a single hit. i like the house dopin snare :) and those tinny little house snares. i really like umm #112 i think.. nice tight little thing. sounds somewhere between a "real" snare and an "analogue" one. drum kits. admittedly i've overused the 808 kit (and variations on it i've made).. but that should stop, since i'm getting an 808 this week. i really like the jazz brush kit. it's very subtle. the kit i've been using a lot lately is chock full of "other" sounds since i've been using my 909 and drum loops for staples. "other" usually includes a pair of congas, a few tinny snares, and a lot of those cr78 and 808 sounds, with weird pitch and chorus effects. m _______________________________________________________________________ > Why are these Moog Taurus thingies so expensive? one word: Boneheads -- LX Rudis _______________________________________________________________________ www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ map@cs.washington.edu www.hyperreal.com/music/labels/grooveneedle/ tint@grooveneedle.com www.hyperreal.com/machines/ mike perkowitz From dr-660-owner Sat May 25 02:40:35 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA25643; Sat, 25 May 1996 02:40:35 -0700 Received: from huginn.greenwich.ac.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA25544; Sat, 25 May 1996 02:40:29 -0700 From: cb259@greenwich.ac.uk Received: from pueblo.gre.ac.uk by huginn.gre.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 25 May 1996 10:40:24 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 10:40:22 +0100 Message-Id: <4740.199605250940@pueblo.gre.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 beta(2) 2/29/96) To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Sysex Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm new to this list, but I'm glad I found it. But one thing I noticed on the welcome message is some talk about 'sysex dumps', er, what are these exactly? Any help appreciated. - Ben -- From dr-660-owner Wed May 29 15:05:18 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA10380; Wed, 29 May 1996 15:05:18 -0700 Received: from hermes.intel.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA10371; Wed, 29 May 1996 15:05:15 -0700 Received: from sedona.intel.com by hermes.intel.com (8.7.4/10.0i); Wed, 29 May 1996 15:04:43 -0700 Received: from cams.ch.intel.com (cams.ch.intel.com [143.182.221.78]) by sedona.intel.com (8.7.5/8.7.3paulmail) with SMTP id PAA82384 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 15:04:38 -0700 Received: by cams.ch.intel.com (4.1/SCDT-NCR) id AA12276; Wed, 29 May 96 15:04:37 MST Message-Id: <9605292204.AA12276@cams.ch.intel.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Problems with tempo and roll X-Face: #A8eyPvq"9m8^D#,z,t@!:-*~kfJ?bo$wvUC0@YD`@k0$z;yidAih0(QOO0eqL!fBhS"$?/ I_a(bKPT-US>@s*r?\6Kb~!SCLoW|U}P2`#U,} Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 15:04:37 -0700 From: Robin Pimentel~ Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi there, My dr-660 will some times come up with the roll button not working. At the same time, when I press the tempo button I get - - - | || || | <-- looks like 3 "n"'s on my LCD | || || | In addition I am unable to play songs or patterns, but I do get sound and I am able to change kits. Normally what I do is INIT ALL and then do all my setup stuff over and over again. Anyone know what could be wrong? please e-mail directly if possible, thanks, Rob. ----------------------- From dr-660-owner Wed May 29 15:27:16 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA12452; Wed, 29 May 1996 15:27:16 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA12426; Wed, 29 May 1996 15:27:01 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id PAA24202; Wed, 29 May 1996 15:26:59 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 15:26:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: Problems with tempo and roll In-Reply-To: <9605292204.AA12276@cams.ch.intel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk not sure about the roll button, but the tempo thing isnt a problem.. you've just got the dr-660 in midi sync mode. when it's clocking to an external midi source, it doesnt display the tempo. push the midi button, page over to clock, set it to internal rather than midi. m _______________________________________________________________________ I bet one legend that keeps recurring throughout history, in every culture, is the story of Popeye. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey _______________________________________________________________________ www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ map@cs.washington.edu www.hyperreal.com/music/labels/grooveneedle/ tint@grooveneedle.com www.hyperreal.com/machines/ mike perkowitz From dr-660-owner Thu May 30 09:20:14 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA17251; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:20:14 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA17245; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:20:12 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id JAA27948; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:20:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:20:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i dont know why i'm forwarding this. perhaps whoever sent it would like to clarify his or her question. m ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 29 17:48:18 1996 Received: from delos.stuttgart.netsurf.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA25183; Wed, 29 May 1996 17:48:17 -0700 Received: from shuttle.esslingen.netsurf.de by delos.stuttgart.netsurf.de with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0uOvtq-00004CC; Thu, 30 May 96 02:47 WET DST Message-ID: <31AC1D93.3635@yyy.zzz> Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 02:49:07 -0700 From: "TestMe!" Organization: Win95-plug-and-pray X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: is it possible to simulate tr909-hihat on a dr660? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit which chorus/reverb/pitch/nuance/etc... settings would i have to choose???? thanx ! please post answers! From dr-660-owner Thu May 30 09:21:43 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA17354; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:21:43 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA17343; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:21:38 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id JAA27953; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:21:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:21:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk sorry simon, this was bounced to me.. majordomo didnt recognize your address. should be fixed now. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Wed May 29 21:46:11 1996 Received: from listserv.gmd.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA18413; Wed, 29 May 1996 21:46:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199605300446.VAA18413@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from vm.gmd.de by listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <10.231D853A@listserv.gmd.de>; Thu, 30 May 1996 6:46:04 +0200 Received: from VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE (NJE origin MAILER@ESOC) by VM.GMD.DE (LMail V1.2b/1.8b) with BSMTP id 9020; Thu, 30 May 1996 06:46:04 +0200 Received: from ESOC (NJE origin SCHAMBER@ESOC) by VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5651; Thu, 30 May 1996 06:44:38 -0500 Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Thu, 30 May 96 06:44:32 EST From: Simon Chambers To: Subject: Var/Fill etc discovery Playing around with my 660 last night i discovered something new (for me). Its the use of fill-in and var(iation?) patterns when looping a pattern. You just set up the other patterns and press the << or >> keys? Anyone else found new things on this machine after using it for 3 years?| simon End of Message From dr-660-owner Thu May 30 09:34:22 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA18701; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:34:22 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA18693; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:34:20 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id JAA28169; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:34:11 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:34:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Subject: is it possible to simulate tr909-hihat on a dr660? > > which chorus/reverb/pitch/nuance/etc... settings would i have to > choose???? thanx ! please post answers! oh i get it now. missed the subject line last time. the answer is no. ;) m _______________________________________________________________________ www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ map@cs.washington.edu www.hyperreal.com/music/labels/grooveneedle/ tint@grooveneedle.com www.hyperreal.com/machines/ mike perkowitz From dr-660-owner Thu May 30 10:32:07 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA24307; Thu, 30 May 1996 10:32:07 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA24288; Thu, 30 May 1996 10:32:04 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.3/8.7.1) id KAA10337; Thu, 30 May 1996 10:31:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199605301731.KAA10337@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Re: your mail To: map@cs.washington.edu (Mike Perkowitz) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 10:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Mike Perkowitz" at May 30, 96 09:20:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > which chorus/reverb/pitch/nuance/etc... settings would i have to > choose???? thanx ! please post answers! > You must choose them all. But choose wisely. While the correct choice will bring enternal fat beats, the wrong choice will cause instant boredom! Chorus: adds some tonal thickness to the sound by playing slightly-varied pitch of the drums with the orignal sound. Reverb: Adds ambience, like playing drums in a big Gym. Pitch: makes the sounds higher or lower. nuance: boosts lower EQ of sounds. The magic combination you are looking for is this: reberb=3 chorus=2 Pitch on kicks: -3 pitch on sanres: 0 Nuance: +7 on everything. Of course i am joking. -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From dr-660-owner Thu May 30 21:26:15 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA26757; Thu, 30 May 1996 21:26:15 -0700 Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA26752; Thu, 30 May 1996 21:26:12 -0700 Received: from pipe5 by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id EAA17643; Fri, 31 May 1996 04:25:34 GMT Received: by pipe5 (5.0/SMI-5.4-PSI) id AA14269; Fri, 31 May 1996 00:25:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 00:25:25 -0400 Message-Id: <9605310425.AA14269@pipe5> To: Mike Perkowitz Subject: dr-660 Sound Level From: sine@usa.pipeline.com () Cc: DR-660 Mailing List , X-Pipeuser: sine X-Pipehub: usa.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: () X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 content-length: 362 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Why is it that the demo song on the 660 plays at an incredibly hot level? That's the kind of s/n ratio I'd like to get from my 660, but no matter what I do I can't get it to play back normally with that hot a sound level. (all the patterns play back at so low a s/n ratio, I can hear the hiss a mile away) Any suggestions anyone? -- sine@usa.pipeline.com From dr-660-owner Fri May 31 00:41:28 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA11922; Fri, 31 May 1996 00:41:28 -0700 Received: from mindvox.phantom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA11858; Fri, 31 May 1996 00:41:12 -0700 Received: from [204.32.218.86] (pm1-86.quicklink.com [204.32.218.86]) by mindvox.phantom.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id DAA24545 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 03:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199605310741.DAA24545@mindvox.phantom.com> Subject: Re: New features... Date: Fri, 31 May 96 03:40:17 -0400 From: antman To: "660 List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Playing around with my 660 last night i discovered something new >(for me). Its the use of fill-in and var(iation?) patterns when >looping a pattern. You just set up the other patterns and press >the << or >> keys? > >Anyone else found new things on this machine after using it for >3 years?| YES!!! I still am. :) It's wicked cool, that fill/variation thing. I just found it several days before my first solo-gig in seven years! It totally made my set SUCH A BREEZE. Now I don't have to hunt and peck for my fill patterns, AND I can do it half-way through a measure if I want, and it will come back right on the one. Mint. ;) I also found that you can edit any pad parameters on the fly. THAT'S really nice. I will play with this feature much more. My 808 and 606 will never be sold... but my 660 just KILLS. This little black box always makes the grooviest patterns. I've also discovered (rather sadly) that INIT PROGRAM? - REALLY MEANS - INIT ALL PROGRAMS IN RAM. NOW. NO 'Sure?', NO second chance. Ouch. Yes. I wiped out all my patterns two days before my first gig in ages. I was a little upset. No backups. But because of it I made my fifth drum kit from scratch, and made even cooler patterns to take advantage of it. I'm still trying to figure out where the batteries go... I wish I knew, because I'd love to make drum patterns at the beach. \|/ antman@quicklink.com OOO[ ! /|\ From dr-660-owner Fri May 31 01:30:18 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA15425; Fri, 31 May 1996 01:30:18 -0700 Received: from zoom.bga.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA15415; Fri, 31 May 1996 01:30:14 -0700 Received: from apm0-40.realtime.net (apm0-40.realtime.net [205.238.146.40]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA13968; Fri, 31 May 1996 03:26:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 03:26:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199605310826.DAA13968@zoom.bga.com> X-Sender: squishy@bga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sine@usa.pipeline.com (), Mike Perkowitz From: squishy@bga.com (Squish 'O Rama) Subject: Re: dr-660 Sound Level Cc: DR-660 Mailing List , Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 12:25 AM 5/31/96 -0400, wrote: >Why is it that the demo song on the 660 plays at an incredibly hot level? >That's the kind of s/n ratio I'd like to get from my 660, but no matter >what I do I can't get it to play back normally with that hot a sound level. >(all the patterns play back at so low a s/n ratio, I can hear the hiss a >mile away) >Any suggestions anyone? There's also a difference between triggering from the pads and triggering it from midi. I haven't used my 660 in awhile so I can't remember which, but I do remember one being hotter than the other... kinda strange. Later... Vince. Squishy Records From dr-660-owner Fri May 31 05:00:58 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA09007; Fri, 31 May 1996 05:00:58 -0700 Received: from sunflower.singnet.com.sg by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA09001; Fri, 31 May 1996 05:00:56 -0700 Received: from [165.21.154.104] (ts900-4420.singnet.com.sg [165.21.154.104]) by sunflower.singnet.com.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA02260; Fri, 31 May 1996 20:00:45 +0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 20:07:21 +0800 To: antman From: khewss@singnet.com.sg (Khew Sin Sun) Subject: Re: New features... Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > makes the grooviest patterns. I've also discovered (rather sadly) that > INIT PROGRAM? - REALLY MEANS - INIT ALL PROGRAMS IN RAM. NOW. NO > 'Sure?', NO second chance. Ouch. Yes. I wiped out all my patterns two > days before my first gig in ages. I was a little upset. No backups. But What were u doing FOOLING around with this feature,TWO days b4 a gig?? I'll bet u finished programming early for your gig and decided to see the "hidden" parts of the 660 and then came across this "innocent" looking INIT,eh? ;-) Khew ======================================== http://www.singnet.com.sg/~khewss/ ======================================== From dr-660-owner Fri May 31 05:01:11 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA09021; Fri, 31 May 1996 05:01:11 -0700 Received: from sunflower.singnet.com.sg by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA09016; Fri, 31 May 1996 05:01:08 -0700 Received: from [165.21.154.104] (ts900-4420.singnet.com.sg [165.21.154.104]) by sunflower.singnet.com.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA25662; Fri, 31 May 1996 20:00:50 +0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 20:07:25 +0800 To: squishy@bga.com (Squish 'O Rama) From: khewss@singnet.com.sg (Khew Sin Sun) Subject: Re: dr-660 Sound Level Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > There's also a difference between triggering from the pads and triggering > it from midi. I haven't used my 660 in awhile so I can't remember which, > but I do remember one being hotter than the other... kinda strange. How could that be? Even though,on MIDI,u set ALL values to 127?? Khew ======================================== http://www.singnet.com.sg/~khewss/ ======================================== From dr-660-owner Fri May 31 08:30:20 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA26229; Fri, 31 May 1996 08:30:20 -0700 Received: from electra.cc.umanitoba.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA26224; Fri, 31 May 1996 08:30:16 -0700 Received: from mira.cc.umanitoba.ca (uucp@mira.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.16.8]) by electra.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA12008 ; Fri, 31 May 1996 10:30:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mira.cc.umanitoba.ca (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21669; Fri, 31 May 1996 10:30:08 -0500 >Received: by bison.mb.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0uPGsq-0005mPC; Thu, 30 May 96 23:12 GMT Received: from bison by mira.cc.umanitoba.ca; Fri, 31 May 1996 10:30 CDT Received: by bison.mb.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0uPGsq-0005mPC; Thu, 30 May 96 23:12 GMT Received: by draco.bison.mb.ca id AA12593 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Fri, 31 May 1996 00:12:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 00:12:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Linton To: Mike Perkowitz Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: prices in bay area? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 May 1996, Mike Perkowitz wrote: > there's a dr-660 mk ii??? do tell.. any changes beyond improved s/n? Cool! Haven't heard about this one yet... Speaking of s/n is it just me or are the outs on the 660 a tad noisy? Any mods to fix this? ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: : "If controlling the VCF with the RES knob set to high, you can obtain : : a sort of tone color impossible to make with any other musical : : instrument" -- Roland Jupiter-6 manual : ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From dr-660-owner Fri May 31 09:18:48 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA01038; Fri, 31 May 1996 09:18:48 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA01031; Fri, 31 May 1996 09:18:46 -0700 Received: from [206.79.132.104] (bass-kitten.cyborganic.com [206.79.132.104]) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA00801 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 09:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:18:19 -0700 To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: Jon Drukman Subject: Re: dr-660 Sound Level Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 5:07 AM 5/31/96, Khew Sin Sun wrote: >> There's also a difference between triggering from the pads and triggering >> it from midi. I haven't used my 660 in awhile so I can't remember which, >> but I do remember one being hotter than the other... kinda strange. > >How could that be? Even though,on MIDI,u set ALL values to 127?? it's definitely true. play a pattern from MIDI with all velocities at 127. now hit the same pads on the machine... they are much louder. don't know why. -- Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://www.cyborganic.com/bass-kittens/ From dr-660-owner Fri May 31 09:19:42 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA01139; Fri, 31 May 1996 09:19:42 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA01123; Fri, 31 May 1996 09:19:37 -0700 Received: from [206.79.132.104] (bass-kitten.cyborganic.com [206.79.132.104]) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA00811 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 09:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:19:08 -0700 To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: Jon Drukman Subject: Re: prices in bay area? Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 10:12 PM 5/30/96, Paul Linton wrote: >Cool! Haven't heard about this one yet... Speaking of s/n is it just me or >are the outs on the 660 a tad noisy? Any mods to fix this? i use a noise gate with a fast response time. but it's not the noisiest box in my rig, not by a long shot. -- Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://www.cyborganic.com/bass-kittens/ From dr-660-owner Fri May 31 09:46:26 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA03875; Fri, 31 May 1996 09:46:26 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA03868; Fri, 31 May 1996 09:46:24 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id JAA03166; Fri, 31 May 1996 09:46:23 -0700 Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:46:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk majordomo bounced this to me. it's fixed now. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 31 05:40:20 1996 Received: from vodka.cephb.fr by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA12127; Fri, 31 May 1996 05:40:19 -0700 Received: (from tubacher@localhost) by vodka.cephb.fr (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA16632 for dr-660@hyperreal.com; Fri, 31 May 1996 14:35:21 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:35:21 +0200 (MET DST) From: Emmanuel Tubacher Message-Id: <199605311235.OAA16632@vodka.cephb.fr> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Jungle kit Hello folks, are there some jungle-ists outa here ? I'm trying to build a jungle-oriented drum kit and would like some advices about the sounds you prefer and patterns philosophy, general ideas on jungle rythm structure alterning fast/slow parts (no intention to pump what is already done). Thanx, play loud (watch for your ears!). Emmanuel. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Emmanuel Tubacher aka Uman, aka Ramuncho le Grand Nain. | | Paris, France. | | e-mail : tubacher@cephb.fr | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From dr-660-owner Fri May 31 09:48:03 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA04055; Fri, 31 May 1996 09:48:03 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA04037; Fri, 31 May 1996 09:48:00 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id JAA03171; Fri, 31 May 1996 09:47:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:47:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk another majordomo bounce. just to remind you: dr-660 is now set up to reject all non-member submissions. this has so far saved us like two of those annoying spams a week, but it also occasionally bounces a member's post to me, because your from: address differs from your subscribe address. usually i can fix it so that it wont happen again. m ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Fri May 31 07:36:11 1996 Received: from liberation.cs.umass.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA21670; Fri, 31 May 1996 07:36:10 -0700 Received: from knots.cs.umass.edu (knots.cs.umass.edu [128.119.41.151]) by liberation.cs.umass.edu (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA26695 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 10:36:04 -0400 Received: (from barrett@localhost) by knots.cs.umass.edu (8.7.3/8.6.9) id KAA02906; Fri, 31 May 1996 10:36:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:36:03 -0400 From: barrett@liberation.cs.umass.edu Message-Id: <199605311436.KAA02906@knots.cs.umass.edu> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Init (was Re: New features...) References: Reply-To: barrett@cs.umass.edu >> INIT PROGRAM? - REALLY MEANS - INIT ALL PROGRAMS IN RAM. NOW. NO >> 'Sure?', NO second chance. Ouch. Here's the one that bit me: INIT DRUMKIT. I thought it meant initialize the current drumkit. No, it means init ALL drumkits. I wiped out everything by mistake. Stupid idiot Roland couldn't put an "S" on the end of DRUMKITS? Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett -- Computer Science Dept, University of MA, Amherst, MA 01003 | | http://www.cs.umass.edu/~barrett/public.html -- barrett@cs.umass.edu | | GENTLE GIANT WEB PAGE - http://www.cs.umass.edu/~barrett/gentlegiant.html | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// From dr-660-owner Fri May 31 10:17:53 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA06932; Fri, 31 May 1996 10:17:53 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA06926; Fri, 31 May 1996 10:17:50 -0700 Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.3/8.7.1) id KAA01708; Fri, 31 May 1996 10:17:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199605311717.KAA01708@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Subject: Re: your mail To: map@cs.washington.edu (Mike Perkowitz) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Mike Perkowitz" at May 31, 96 09:46:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > are there some jungle-ists outa here ? > > I'm trying to build a jungle-oriented drum kit and would like some advices > about the sounds you prefer and patterns philosophy, general ideas > on jungle rythm structure alterning fast/slow parts (no intention to pump > what is already done). > I just wanted to say that making jungle, or, more accurately, drum-n-bass beats, on my 660 is very fun. With all the different kicks and snares, you can cook up some fun beats. Typically I use a big bass sound like an 808 kick or I synthesize bass on one of my analouge keyboards, then I use an 808 snare with a reduced decay time and some really fat snares to do some boom boom bom, boom boom...rat-dat...ra dat tat tat tata tat -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tsheets@cyborganic.net <- You have found me tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets <- Instant Content troys-list@schwa.sun.com <- Inquire Within From dr-660-owner Fri May 31 12:00:30 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA17945; Fri, 31 May 1996 12:00:30 -0700 Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA17897; Fri, 31 May 1996 12:00:09 -0700 Received: from pipe5 by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id SAA04589; Fri, 31 May 1996 18:59:37 GMT Received: by pipe5 (5.0/SMI-5.4-PSI) id AA02240; Fri, 31 May 1996 14:59:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:59:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9605311859.AA02240@pipe5> To: antman Subject: Re: New features... From: sine@usa.pipeline.com () Cc: "660 List" X-Pipeuser: sine X-Pipehub: usa.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: () X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 content-length: 181 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Pressing the up and down keys also seem to "MIX" two variations or two fills together...I'm not sure if this is documented in the manual, but I haven't come across it in there. -- From dr-660-owner Fri May 31 12:11:23 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA19502; Fri, 31 May 1996 12:11:23 -0700 Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA17897; Fri, 31 May 1996 12:00:09 -0700 Received: from pipe5 by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id SAA04589; Fri, 31 May 1996 18:59:37 GMT Received: by pipe5 (5.0/SMI-5.4-PSI) id AA02240; Fri, 31 May 1996 14:59:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:59:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9605311859.AA02240@pipe5> To: antman Subject: Re: New features... From: sine@usa.pipeline.com () Cc: "660 List" X-Pipeuser: sine X-Pipehub: usa.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: () X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 content-length: 181 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Pressing the up and down keys also seem to "MIX" two variations or two fills together...I'm not sure if this is documented in the manual, but I haven't come across it in there. -- From dr-660-owner Fri May 31 13:28:02 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA28059; Fri, 31 May 1996 13:28:02 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA27686; Fri, 31 May 1996 13:25:32 -0700 Received: from sun1.iusb.edu (efinkler@sun1.iusb.edu [149.161.1.2]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA05743 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 13:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from efinkler@localhost) by sun1.iusb.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) id PAA18719; Fri, 31 May 1996 15:23:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:23:44 -0500 (EST) From: Cyberia To: John Deatherage cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: more MC-303/dr6 stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 May 1996, John Deatherage wrote: > Hehe... yup... Have you actually seen a real-life demo? Nope... I'd like to, though... that and roland's rack dance unit. That's supposed to be neat. Ed Finkler [========================================================================] [********** CULT OF JESTER **********] [******* New demo of Industrial-Ambient-Trance *******] [***** 6 Songs -- $3 (cash or checks made to Ed Finkler) *****] [**** 2211 Lakeshore Dr/St. Joseph, MI/49085-1840/USA ****] [*** http://www.networkamerica.com/~coj/ ***] [========================================================================] From dr-660-owner Fri May 31 14:51:27 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA07488; Fri, 31 May 1996 14:51:27 -0700 Received: from sun1.iusb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA07459; Fri, 31 May 1996 14:51:15 -0700 Received: (from efinkler@localhost) by sun1.iusb.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) id QAA23001; Fri, 31 May 1996 16:51:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:51:08 -0500 (EST) From: Cyberia To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: more MC-303/dr6 stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Whoops... didn't mean to cc that... sorry... Ed Finkler [========================================================================] [********** CULT OF JESTER **********] [******* New demo of Industrial-Ambient-Trance *******] [***** 6 Songs -- $3 (cash or checks made to Ed Finkler) *****] [**** 2211 Lakeshore Dr/St. Joseph, MI/49085-1840/USA ****] [*** http://www.networkamerica.com/~coj/ ***] [========================================================================] From dr-660-owner Sat Jun 1 03:28:16 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA07266; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 03:28:16 -0700 Received: from mindvox.phantom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA07261; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 03:28:14 -0700 Received: from [204.32.218.83] (pm1-83.quicklink.com [204.32.218.83]) by mindvox.phantom.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id GAA22848; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 06:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606011028.GAA22848@mindvox.phantom.com> Subject: Re: prices in bay area? Date: Sat, 1 Jun 96 06:27:25 -0400 From: antman To: "Jon Drukman" , "660 List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>Cool! Haven't heard about this one yet... Speaking of s/n is it just me or >>are the outs on the 660 a tad noisy? Any mods to fix this? > >i use a noise gate with a fast response time. but it's not the noisiest >box in my rig, not by a long shot. The noise coming out of the 660 is nothing... the noise coming out of a 660 through a RAT, however, is something to be reckoned with. I should know. I just made a track 5 minutes ago. :) antman... happy at pickniks. ;) From dr-660-owner Sat Jun 1 03:40:13 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA07781; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 03:40:13 -0700 Received: from mindvox.phantom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA07776; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 03:40:11 -0700 Received: from [204.32.218.83] (pm1-83.quicklink.com [204.32.218.83]) by mindvox.phantom.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id GAA23001; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 06:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606011040.GAA23001@mindvox.phantom.com> Subject: Re: New features... Date: Sat, 1 Jun 96 06:39:20 -0400 From: antman To: "Khew Sin Sun" cc: "660 List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >What were u doing FOOLING around with this feature,TWO days b4 a gig?? >I'll bet u finished programming early for your gig and decided to see the >"hidden" parts of the 660 and then came across this "innocent" looking >INIT,eh? ;-) > >Khew OK. OK. So I may have been a -little- stoned at 5:30 in the morning, poking and prodding it's "hidden" features. But don't you think it just a bit odd that there is no kind of "fail-safe" on this rather innocent looking submenu?? Hmmm. I don't know about you, but I may have thought about programming that in. JUST for people like myself poking at 5:30 in the morning. I mean... isn't that when EVERYONE comes up with the coolest stuff?? I seem to. ;) And here I am again. And yes... I've made many cool patterns since that fateful morning. In fact, getting ready to do a live radio broadcast just using the 660 and some effects. It's all I need for a dance set. Nice box. Does it really shock anyone that it's made by Roland? Thought not. make much machine music madly.... antman :) From dr-660-owner Sat Jun 1 10:45:59 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA06553; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 10:45:59 -0700 Received: from smtp2.interramp.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA06546; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 10:45:57 -0700 Received: from us014414.interramp.com by smtp2.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id NAA01350; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 13:45:53 -0400 Message-ID: <31B08148.39ED@interramp.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 12:43:36 -0500 From: GD X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: your mail References: <199605311717.KAA01708@xanadu.cyborganic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Troy Sheets wrote: > > > are there some jungle-ists outa here ? > > > > I'm trying to build a jungle-oriented drum kit and would like some advices > > about the sounds you prefer and patterns philosophy, general ideas > > on jungle rythm structure alterning fast/slow parts (no intention to pump > > what is already done). Since I don't use a software sequencer, I make jungle patterns on the 660 that run 16-32 beats in length. As for kits, I tend to use customized kits with multiple kicks, snares, and cymbals, with a chorus rate of around 3 or 4. When I customize the kits, I always assign the kicks and snares to the same pads, so that I can change kits in the middle of a song to freshen things up. I also end up using a delay for practically every jungle pattern, as it kind of makes the drumming sound more fluid. As for alternating fast/slow parts for jungle, I sometimes make really slow (75 bpm) trip-hoppish patterns and then set the reverb/delay time correspondingly (to 21 in the case of 75 bpm) to fill out the pattern and give it a jungly feel. This way you can alternate between slow and fast breaks, and also save on memory somewhat. Or sometimes I'll just switch to another pattern in the middle of a tune at the same tempo but with a slower feel. It's cool to see that other people out there are making jungle with a DR-660 and not just cut-'n-pasting samples... GD From dr-660-owner Tue Jun 4 15:51:23 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA11757; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:51:23 -0700 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA11743; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:51:13 -0700 Received: from cent.cs.tu-berlin.de (mho@cent.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.22.20]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA14956 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 00:50:44 +0200 Received: (mho@localhost) by cent.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA26350 for dr-660@hyperreal.com; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 00:50:43 +0200 Message-Id: <199606042250.AAA26350@cent.cs.tu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: dr-660 Sound Level To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 00:50:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Michael Hopp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >> There's also a difference between triggering from the pads and triggering > >> it from midi. I haven't used my 660 in awhile so I can't remember which, > >> but I do remember one being hotter than the other... kinda strange. > > > >How could that be? Even though,on MIDI,u set ALL values to 127?? > > it's definitely true. play a pattern from MIDI with all velocities at 127. > now hit the same pads on the machine... they are much louder. don't know > why. > the problem is the midi VOLUME which has to be set to 127 in the midi menu or via midi control change. this is not recognised when playing the pads and probably the demo neither. michael From dr-660-owner Mon Jun 10 14:31:45 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA29245; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:31:45 -0700 Received: from abtmail.abtassoc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA29235; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:31:43 -0700 From: han_wang@abtassoc.com Received: from abtgwy.abtassoc.com (abtgwy [198.105.0.10]) by abtmail.abtassoc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/LeftBank-Abtassoc1.0) with SMTP id RAA09706 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:30:50 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by abtgwy.abtassoc.com id AA834453082; Mon, 10 Jun 96 17:28:23 est Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 17:28:23 est Message-Id: <9605108344.AA834453082@abtgwy.abtassoc.com> To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: a question to the groop (if this list is still alive) Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all. I just signed on to this group, so I have no idea if it's still alive or if there's any traffic. Hopefully this question doesn't just dissipate into the ether.... I'm seriously thinking about ditching my Yamaha RY30 to buy a DR-660. Having looked at the archives for this list, it seems like the DR-660 is a much superior machine. A couple of questions, though: 1) It's kind of old, no? The list dates back to '93! Are there any plans for either an upgrade or a retirement of the DR-660? 2) The one thing that worries me a little is that a few folks mentioned that the DR-660 seems lacking in memory. Is this a problem with drum machines in general, or does the DR-660 particularly suffer from it? To its credit, the RY30 has never presented any memory problems. Thanks for reading! Han From dr-660-owner Mon Jun 10 17:07:47 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA15861; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:07:47 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA15853; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:07:44 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id RAA22341; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:07:31 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:07:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: a question to the groop (if this list is still alive) In-Reply-To: <9605108344.AA834453082@abtgwy.abtassoc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I just signed on to this group, so I have no idea if it's still alive > or if there's any traffic. Hopefully this question doesn't just this list is still in existence, but is extremely low traffic. occasionally, someone will ask something (often a new member) which will spark discussion for a while. > I'm seriously thinking about ditching my Yamaha RY30 to buy a DR-660. > Having looked at the archives for this list, it seems like the DR-660 > is a much superior machine. A couple of questions, though: it's real hard to make a blanket statement like that. i havent worked with an ry30 much directly, but that wont stop me from opening my mouth now. ;) i think the 660 probably has a better collection of samples. this depends, of course, on what you want to do. for techno/electronica for example, you get a nice set of 808 noises, weird cr78 and other sounds, and a couple 909 things. you can also do a fair amount of messing around with the sounds in the 660 (like pitching them +/- 2 octaves, "nuance" settings, decay). and it has built in reverb/delay and chorus/flange. i dont know what the ry30 lets you do to the sounds, but i do know it has some cool features. like the filter. and the fact that the wheel can control the filter or other things in real time, and it can be recorded into sequences (right?). > 1) It's kind of old, no? The list dates back to '93! Are there any > plans for either an upgrade or a retirement of the DR-660? i dont think it's any older than the ry30! i remember looking at both when i bought my 660, which was about half a year before i started this list. i dont know of any plans to upgrade the 660. and if there was a mkii, i dont expect you could upgrade your old 660 (i dont think you can upgrade an old 550 to a mkii, or an old r8 to a mkii). > 2) The one thing that worries me a little is that a few folks > mentioned that the DR-660 seems lacking in memory. Is this a problem > with drum machines in general, or does the DR-660 particularly suffer > from it? To its credit, the RY30 has never presented any memory i dont know how it compares to other drum machines. typically in my 660 i have several patterns (say about 10-15) lying around because i like them and havent used them in a song yet (and havent saved them to computer). if i then start trying to make a dense variety of patterns (like 10 or so with variations and such) there's a good chance i'll run into memory problems. i like to think in terms of tracks, so if i have to use the 660, i'll make lots of patterns with combinations (kick and snare, just kick, kick and HH, HH and snare, etc) and this fills up memory rapidly. these days i either program in only a few patterns and just use them, which i can do because the 660 isnt my main rhythm box, or i control the 660 from the computer, another sequencer, or a 909 (programming the 660 using the nice 909 style sequencer is great!). m ______________________________________________________________________________ www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ map@cs.washington.edu www.hyperreal.com/music/labels/grooveneedle/ tint@grooveneedle.com www.hyperreal.com/machines/ mike perkowitz From dr-660-owner Mon Jun 10 17:08:31 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA15935; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:08:31 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA15929; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:08:29 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id RAA22348; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:08:27 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:08:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this was bounced to me for the usual reason.. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jun 10 15:37:12 1996 Received: from TTACS1.TTU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA06168; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:37:06 -0700 Received: from ttacs.ttu.edu by ttacs.ttu.edu (PMDF V5.0-5 #13298) id <01I5R1M4B9H08Y9END@ttacs.ttu.edu> for dr-660@hyperreal.com; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:05:05 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:05:05 -0600 (CST) From: Z3KPW@ttacs1.ttu.edu Subject: Re: a question to the groop To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01I5R1M4BAFA8Y9END@ttacs.ttu.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Ditch your Yamaha RY-30 for a DR-600?! Nooooooooooooo! Man o man. The RY-30 is a KILLER urban machine, especially with the real-time pitch control when you're programming it from itself. It makes it so easy to emphasize certain parts and make the snares smack your face so well. In a lot of the studio/producer overviews in EQ magazine , a lot of the hip-hop producers say they're using it on commercial stuff. Rarely would they mention a DR-660, as it's not Roland's top of the line. From dr-660-owner Tue Jun 11 07:44:27 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA04381; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:44:27 -0700 Received: from abtmail.abtassoc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA04371; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:44:24 -0700 From: han_wang@abtassoc.com Received: from abtgwy.abtassoc.com (abtgwy [198.105.0.10]) by abtmail.abtassoc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/LeftBank-Abtassoc1.0) with SMTP id KAA08315 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:43:30 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by abtgwy.abtassoc.com id AA834515053; Tue, 11 Jun 96 10:38:44 est Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 10:38:44 est Message-Id: <9605118345.AA834515053@abtgwy.abtassoc.com> To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re[2]: a question to the groop (if this list is still alive) Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> I'm seriously thinking about ditching my Yamaha RY30 to buy a DR-660. >> Having looked at the archives for this list, it seems like the DR-660 >> is a much superior machine. A couple of questions, though: >it's real hard to make a blanket statement like that. i havent worked >with an ry30 much directly, but that wont stop me from opening my mouth >now. ;) i think the 660 probably has a better collection of samples. My limited experience with the 660 is playing with it for about five minutes in the store. Right away I noticed that the 660 seemed to have a better sound to it. Maybe I've just clueless, but I've never been able to make my RY30 sound good to my ears. Its voices have a sort of brittle quality to them, without much richness. >i dont know what the ry30 lets you do to the sounds, but i do know it has >some cool features. like the filter. and the fact that the wheel can >control the filter or other things in real time, and it can be recorded >into sequences (right?). yes, and yes. Can the 660 not do these things? Again, I have no real complaint about the features of the RY30, but the sound quality of it is just not to my liking. >> 1) It's kind of old, no? The list dates back to '93! Are there any >> plans for either an upgrade or a retirement of the DR-660? >i dont think it's any older than the ry30! i remember looking at both when >i bought my 660, which was about half a year before i started this list. i What finally tipped you over to the 660? >> 2) The one thing that worries me a little is that a few folks >> mentioned that the DR-660 seems lacking in memory. Is this a problem >> with drum machines in general, or does the DR-660 particularly suffer >> from it? To its credit, the RY30 has never presented any memory >i dont know how it compares to other drum machines. typically in my 660 >i have several patterns (say about 10-15) lying around because i like >them and havent used them in a song yet (and havent saved them to >computer). if i then start trying to make a dense variety of patterns >(like 10 or so with variations and such) there's a good chance i'll run >into memory problems. i like to think in terms of tracks, so if i have >to use the 660, i'll make lots of patterns with combinations (kick and >snare, just kick, kick and HH, HH and snare, etc) and this fills up >memory rapidly. Hmmm. Do you mean that it's hard to fill up all of the 660's user patterns without running into memory problems. With the RY30, at any one time I usually have about 70 or 80 of the 100 user patterns filled with data. Don't think I've ever gotten a "memory full" message. This is important to me, because I'm always working on little rhythm sketches, and I'll want to be able to hold on to them without having to dump to tape.... From dr-660-owner Tue Jun 11 11:36:44 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA28649; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:36:44 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA28640; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:36:42 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id LAA26124; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:36:34 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:36:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this was bounced to me as a non-member submission. (btw, i cant find any address in the 660 list that looks like yours.. please let me know (privately) who you are :) thanks m ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jun 11 09:59:02 1996 Received: from acme.sb.west.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA17614; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:59:01 -0700 Received: from acme.sb.west.net (mbx719@acme.sb.west.net [205.254.224.2]) by acme.sb.west.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA23391 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:58:39 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:58:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Interrupt X-Sender: mbx719@acme.sb.west.net To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: But a simple question... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm sure most of you have heard about the impending release of the MC-303, and I'm curious as to wether or not this will be a good replacement for the Dr-660. I'm a bit confused on what exactly the MC-303 does... My favorite Dr-660 trick : Lower the pitch on the 808 cowbell dramatically and you'll get a nice synth sound. From dr-660-owner Tue Jun 11 12:09:23 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA02159; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:09:23 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA02147; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:09:17 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id MAA26235; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:09:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:09:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: Re[2]: a question to the groop (if this list is still alive) In-Reply-To: <9605118345.AA834515053@abtgwy.abtassoc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > yes, and yes. Can the 660 not do these things? Again, I have no real > complaint about the features of the RY30, but the sound quality of it the dr-660 has no filters, and no assignable wheel, and thus no way to record stuff like that into sequences. i chose the 660 because it was less expensive and because it had those full satisfying 808, 909 and other good-for-techno sounds. i also didnt know that much about the ry30 at the time. i suspect the 660 is a better bread-and-butter machine.. the ry30 seems to really shine for some screwed-up aphex-twinnish, experimental/industrial kinds of things. > Hmmm. Do you mean that it's hard to fill up all of the 660's user > patterns without running into memory problems. With the RY30, at any yes exactly. there are 150 available user patterns and it would be hard to occupy all or most of them without filling memory. m From dr-660-owner Tue Jun 11 13:31:27 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA11084; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:31:27 -0700 Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA11076; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:31:24 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id NAA26482; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:31:22 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:31:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: 660 vs. mc-303 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk (err.. i think i missent this the first time) my impression of the mc-303 is that it is more sequencer and synth oriented. more like a cooler dr-5 than a dr-660. it's probably focused more on 808/909 sounds too, and has lots of synth sounds. as a total tool, it's probably a lot more fun, but as a drum machine it may be inferior. anyway, i think it's about twice the price, and i've heard repeatedly it will not be marketed in the states. mike ______________________________________________________________________________ Bach was the most famous composer in the world, and so was Handel. Handel was half German, half Italian and half English. He was very large. Bach died from 1750 to the present. Beethoven wrote music even though he was deaf. He was so deaf he wrote loud music. He took long walks in the forest even when everyone was calling for him. -- from "Anguished English" (Richard Lederer) ______________________________________________________________________________ www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ map@cs.washington.edu www.hyperreal.com/music/labels/grooveneedle/ tint@grooveneedle.com www.hyperreal.com/machines/ mike perkowitz From dr-660-owner Tue Jun 11 13:34:09 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA11302; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:34:09 -0700 Received: from hermes.intel.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA11295; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:34:07 -0700 Received: from sedona.intel.com by hermes.intel.com (8.7.4/10.0i); Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:33:35 -0700 Received: from cams.ch.intel.com (cams.ch.intel.com [143.182.221.78]) by sedona.intel.com (8.7.5/8.7.3paulmail) with SMTP id NAA37200 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:33:34 -0700 Received: by cams.ch.intel.com (4.1/SCDT-NCR) id AA02140; Tue, 11 Jun 96 13:33:32 MST Message-Id: <9606112033.AA02140@cams.ch.intel.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re[3]: a question to the groop (if this list is still alive) X-Face: #A8eyPvq"9m8^D#,z,t@!:-*~kfJ?bo$wvUC0@YD`@k0$z;yidAih0(QOO0eqL!fBhS"$?/ I_a(bKPT-US>@s*r?\6Kb~!SCLoW|U}P2`#U,} Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:33:32 -0700 From: Robin Pimentel~ Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> Hmmm. Do you mean that it's hard to fill up all of the 660's user >> patterns without running into memory problems. With the RY30, at any > >yes exactly. there are 150 available user patterns and it would be hard >to occupy all or most of them without filling memory. > >m This rarely happens to me. I find though, that if I have just ONE really long pattern I get that error. But I can [knock on wood] use up a lot of the user patterns w/out error. just my 2 penies, Rob. --------------------------------------------------------------------- My opinions are strictly mine and don't represent any corporate body. Robin Pimentel. "The perfect touch...cold and clean, Mail Stop: CH6-316 she steals your soul...kissing the machine" Chandler -"KISSING THE MACHINE" McCluskey/Bartos From dr-660-owner Tue Jun 11 14:15:20 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15731; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:15:20 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA15692; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:14:54 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.4) id OAA29721; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606112114.OAA29721@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: Rick Riffle Subject: test, don't read Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is my test, I told you not to read it. Why can't you listen. If it's not one thing or another. I've always knew you were like this. Geeeeezzzz Just kidding :) From dr-660-owner Wed Jun 12 15:49:41 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA08110; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:49:41 -0700 Received: from saluki-mail.fiber2.siu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA08103; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:49:37 -0700 Received: from port146.aixdialin.siu.edu by saluki-mail.fiber2.siu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA84639; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:09:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:09:29 -0500 From: jgehner@siu.edu (POP Mailbox) Message-Id: <9606121509.AA84639@saluki-mail.fiber2.siu.edu> Apparently-To: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From dr-660-owner Wed Jun 12 17:21:41 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA17490; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:21:41 -0700 Received: from saluki-mail.fiber2.siu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA17477; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:21:37 -0700 Received: from port147.aixdialin.siu.edu by saluki-mail.fiber2.siu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA26044; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:46:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:46:26 -0500 From: jgehner@siu.edu (POP Mailbox) Message-Id: <9606121346.AA26044@saluki-mail.fiber2.siu.edu> Apparently-To: Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From dr-660-owner Wed Jun 12 19:13:22 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA27200; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:13:22 -0700 Received: from electra.cc.umanitoba.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA27194; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:13:19 -0700 Received: from mira.cc.umanitoba.ca (uucp@mira.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.16.8]) by electra.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA03745 ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:13:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mira.cc.umanitoba.ca (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10532; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:13:02 -0500 >Received: by bison.mb.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0uTrJA-0005m4C; Wed, 12 Jun 96 14:54 GMT Received: from bison by mira.cc.umanitoba.ca; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:13 CDT Received: by bison.mb.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0uTrJA-0005m4C; Wed, 12 Jun 96 14:54 GMT Received: by draco.bison.mb.ca id AA09656 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:00:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:00:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Linton To: Khew Sin Sun Cc: "Squish 'O Rama" , dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: dr-660 Sound Level In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'd just be happy if I could cut down the hiss that the 660 makes. Has anyone tried swapping wall-warts? Maybe that'd help? I haven't tried gating the hell out if it... I'm still looking for someone to come out with an 8-out mod (yeah right). I've come to the conclusion that the only thing noisier than my 660 is my Juno's chorus. :-D ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: : "If controlling the VCF with the RES knob set to high, you can obtain : : a sort of tone color impossible to make with any other musical : : instrument" -- Roland Jupiter-6 manual : ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From dr-660-owner Wed Jun 12 19:13:25 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA27207; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:13:25 -0700 Received: from electra.cc.umanitoba.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA27201; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:13:22 -0700 Received: from mira.cc.umanitoba.ca (uucp@mira.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.16.8]) by electra.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA03766 ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:13:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mira.cc.umanitoba.ca (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10551; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:13:07 -0500 >Received: by bison.mb.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0uTrQp-0005mPC; Wed, 12 Jun 96 15:02 GMT Received: from bison by mira.cc.umanitoba.ca; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:13 CDT Received: by bison.mb.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0uTrQp-0005mPC; Wed, 12 Jun 96 15:02 GMT Received: by draco.bison.mb.ca id AA09885 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:04:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:04:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Linton To: Jon Drukman Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: dr-660 Sound Level In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 31 May 1996, Jon Drukman wrote: > it's definitely true. play a pattern from MIDI with all velocities at 127. > now hit the same pads on the machine... they are much louder. don't know > why. I noticed this back when I first got my 660. I quickly discovered that Cubase would limit volume levels (it has a MIDI-type compressor). After shutting this off, all levels are the same. Maybe it's a similar problem? ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: : "If controlling the VCF with the RES knob set to high, you can obtain : : a sort of tone color impossible to make with any other musical : : instrument" -- Roland Jupiter-6 manual : ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From dr-660-owner Thu Jun 13 06:25:44 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA03315; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:25:44 -0700 Received: from saluki-mail.fiber2.siu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA03310; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:25:41 -0700 Received: from port150.aixdialin.siu.edu by saluki-mail.fiber2.siu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22993; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:19:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:19:28 -0500 Message-Id: <9606131319.AA22993@saluki-mail.fiber2.siu.edu> X-Sender: jgehner@saluki-mail.siu.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: jgehner@siu.edu (John Gehner) Subject: TRICKS, BABY, TRICKS Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk After reading the note about the 808 cowbell-cum-synth sound, I wanted to post a follow-up message that I hope both inexperienced AS WELL AS experienced 660 users/programmers/beats creators will respond to. I've had my 660, purchased on the advice of Jon Drukman--(THANKS, JON!), since February, and I'm slowly learning the this-that-and-alla-that of the box. KIDS: WHAT PARTICULAR TRICK OR TRICKS (similar to the 808 cowbell thing) HAVE YOU DISCOVERED/INVENTED DURING YOUR MANY HOURS OF PLAY-TIME? Naturally/specifically, I'm looking for hints/tricks with regard to individual instruments--(I tried this once before and no one really got back to me). "Yeah, well I tweaked up the pitch on a cymbal and pushed up the chorus, and then jimmywhacked the kassenfrassen so now it sounds like I got a tree-full of cicadas chirping out of my monitor: REEK, REEK, REEK, REEK, REEK, REEK. Drives my wife to distraction, makes the gerbils sprint like mad in their wheels, round and round and round, but hell, it gives me goose-bumps quite frankly, makes the hair stand up on my navel. Now all I need is a use for the blessed thing." (That kind of hint, dig?) Party people, I'm trying to GET WITH IT here. Broke as a man can be broke, for three years I had to settle for twiddling with an Alesis HR-16:B. (And more critical mofos say the bass kicks suck on the 660! HA!) So . . . I look forward to hearing from ALL of you (especially Glenn Stumshank and his little brother Dickey, who most people just call Slug, down in Killeen, Texas--the boys ain't showered since '88, but they know their Roland gear). Advance thanks, --jg From dr-660-owner Thu Jun 13 07:11:51 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA06964; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:11:51 -0700 Received: from glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA06959; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:11:42 -0700 Received: from kaepk1.ericsson.se (kaepk1.ericsson.se [136.225.74.100]) by glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.7.5/8.7.3/glacier-0.9) with SMTP id QAA13411 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:11:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ka108.ericsson.se (ka108.ericsson.se [136.225.74.108]) by kaepk1.ericsson.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA16960 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:11:23 +0200 From: epkrgdh@kaepk1.ericsson.se (Ronny Gardh) Received: by ka108.ericsson.se (8.6.9/client-1.3) id QAA20667; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:11:21 +0200 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:11:21 +0200 Message-Id: <199606131411.QAA20667@ka108.ericsson.se> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: RE: TRICKS, BABY, TRICKS Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all.... Make a weak but good analogue bassdrum by pitching the 808 TOM and decrease the decay to at least -20. I am also trying to do 909 hihats by pitching and stretching all the parameters in the 660 (it's hard, because the clean sounds in the 660). I have owned: First a TR-505 then a TR-707 then a DR-550 then a DR-550 MK-II then a DR-660 then a R8 and DR-660 then only the DR-660 then DR-660 and R8-M with 4 cards (sold it later because I didn't get the DANCE card) then only DR-660 (again) The R8-M is a good machine, but when I compared the 660 and R8, the sounds in the 660 is much cleaner but also weaker and you have effects. Summary: Buy an R8-M if you want heavy bassdrums and snaredrums. Buy an 660 if you want nice sounds and want to make own demos at home. But the ultimate drummachine must be the R8 MK-II !!!!! Do anyone have this unit for sale??? Best regards Ronny G From dr-660-owner Thu Jun 13 07:41:02 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA09417; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:41:02 -0700 Received: from central.cis.upenn.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA09407; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:40:59 -0700 Received: from gradin.cis.upenn.edu (GRADIN.CIS.UPENN.EDU [158.130.4.4]) by central.cis.upenn.edu (8.6.12/UPenn 1.4) with ESMTP id KAA22769 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:40:58 -0400 Received: by gradin.cis.upenn.edu id KAA11362; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:40:53 -0400 From: din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Clarence Din) Posted-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:40:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199606131440.KAA11362@gradin.cis.upenn.edu> Subject: DR-660 vs. R-8 To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:40:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 93 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Which do you prefer, the TR-808/909 kicks on the DR-660 or the ones on the R-8? Clarence From dr-660-owner Thu Jun 13 08:35:58 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA15442; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:35:58 -0700 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA15437; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:35:56 -0700 Received: from smtp.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.7.5/UCD3.5.4) id IAA02614; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606131535.IAA02614@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jgehner@siu.edu (John Gehner) From: Rick Riffle Subject: Re: TRICKS, BABY, TRICKS Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well if you have some sort of analogue synth that has midi, you can hook a midi cord from the 660 to the synth, put them both on the same midi channel, and Vwala (sp) instant acid. Granted that first you have written some crazy killer beat. Or try this. Write a beat. Turn the chorus up to 9 on the whole kit. Go in to the effects parameter and ..... I can't remember the names of the last four parameters in there, but turn the feedback to 15, and the other three to zero. It should produce a crazy hight pitched frequency over the beat. Be carefull how loud you have it cuz it can tweak your speakers. Then while it's doing that, go to the last parameter in the same effects section, and spinn it slowly from 1 to how ever high it goes. Do this in time with the beat and watch the sound tweak like you've never heard it. At 08:19 AM 6/13/96 -0500, you wrote: > After reading the note about the 808 cowbell-cum-synth sound, I >wanted to post a follow-up message that I hope both inexperienced AS WELL AS >experienced 660 users/programmers/beats creators will respond to. I've had >my 660, purchased on the advice of Jon Drukman--(THANKS, JON!), since >February, and I'm slowly learning the this-that-and-alla-that of the box. > > KIDS: WHAT PARTICULAR TRICK OR TRICKS (similar to the 808 cowbell >thing) HAVE YOU DISCOVERED/INVENTED DURING YOUR MANY HOURS OF >PLAY-TIME? > > Naturally/specifically, I'm looking for hints/tricks with regard to >individual instruments--(I tried this once before and no one really got back >to me). "Yeah, well I tweaked up the pitch on a cymbal and pushed up the >chorus, and then jimmywhacked the kassenfrassen so now it sounds like I got >a tree-full of cicadas chirping out of my monitor: REEK, REEK, REEK, REEK, >REEK, REEK. Drives my wife to distraction, makes the gerbils sprint like >mad in their wheels, round and round and round, but hell, it gives me >goose-bumps quite frankly, makes the hair stand up on my navel. Now all I >need is a use for the blessed thing." (That kind of hint, dig?) > > Party people, I'm trying to GET WITH IT here. Broke as a man can be >broke, for three years I had to settle for twiddling with an Alesis HR-16:B. >(And more critical mofos say the bass kicks suck on the 660! HA!) > > So . . . I look forward to hearing from ALL of you (especially Glenn >Stumshank and his little brother Dickey, who most people just call Slug, >down in Killeen, Texas--the boys ain't showered since '88, but they know >their Roland gear). > > Advance thanks, > > --jg > > > From dr-660-owner Thu Jun 13 22:28:38 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA04207; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:28:38 -0700 Received: from glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA04196; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:28:32 -0700 Received: from kaepk1.ericsson.se (kaepk1.ericsson.se [136.225.74.100]) by glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.7.5/8.7.3/glacier-0.9) with SMTP id HAA10064 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:28:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ka108.ericsson.se (ka108.ericsson.se [136.225.74.108]) by kaepk1.ericsson.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA22168 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:28:25 +0200 From: epkrgdh@kaepk1.ericsson.se (Ronny Gardh) Received: by ka108.ericsson.se (8.6.9/client-1.3) id HAA20970; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:28:23 +0200 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:28:23 +0200 Message-Id: <199606140528.HAA20970@ka108.ericsson.se> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: DR-660 vs. R-8 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Clarence wrote: > Which do you prefer, the TR-808/909 kicks on the DR-660 or the ones > on the R-8? I think them in the R8 is more realistic and more punchier. Ronny From dr-660-owner Fri Jun 14 01:17:45 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA17705; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:17:45 -0700 Received: from mindvox.phantom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA17694; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:17:42 -0700 Received: from [204.32.218.98] (pm1-98.quicklink.com [204.32.218.98]) by mindvox.phantom.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id EAA18494; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606140817.EAA18494@mindvox.phantom.com> Subject: Re: DR-660 vs. R-8 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 04:16:35 -0400 From: antman To: "Ronny Gardh" , "660 List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I think them in the R8 is more realistic and more punchier. > >Ronny Actually, I tend to find the R8 kicks a bit on the mushy side, myself. I've done tracks with both... as well as with my 808 and my friend's 909. But hey... we all hear things differently. I run my 660 through a RAT, and the kicks sound SUPERB! Crunchophonic. \|/ antman@quicklink.com OOO[ ! /|\ From dr-660-owner Fri Jun 14 01:26:13 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA18181; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:26:13 -0700 Received: from glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA18164; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:26:06 -0700 Received: from kaepk1.ericsson.se (kaepk1.ericsson.se [136.225.74.100]) by glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.7.5/8.7.3/glacier-0.9) with SMTP id KAA28693 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:25:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ka108.ericsson.se (ka108.ericsson.se [136.225.74.108]) by kaepk1.ericsson.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA26568 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:25:54 +0200 From: epkrgdh@kaepk1.ericsson.se (Ronny Gardh) Received: by ka108.ericsson.se (8.6.9/client-1.3) id KAA21647; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:25:53 +0200 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:25:53 +0200 Message-Id: <199606140825.KAA21647@ka108.ericsson.se> To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: DR-660 vs. R-8 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>I think them in the R8 is more realistic and more punchier. >> >>Ronny >Actually, I tend to find the R8 kicks a bit on the mushy side, myself. >I've done tracks with both... as well as with my 808 and my friend's 909. >But hey... we all hear things differently. I run my 660 through a RAT, >and the kicks sound SUPERB! Crunchophonic. I compare my 909 & 808 bassdrums (in 660) towards my sampled 808/909 sounds (directly from the orig). The 660 sounds much weaker and you cannot change the sound so much either. Anyone knows if you can save different performances with the R8 MK-II ? Which drummachine is used on depeche mode's speak&spell and yazoo's upstairs at erics ??? Regards Ronny From dr-660-owner Fri Jun 14 11:36:34 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA16402; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:36:34 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA16379; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:36:21 -0700 Received: from [206.79.132.104] (bass-kitten.cyborganic.com [206.79.132.104]) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA22214 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:35:39 -0700 To: dr-660@hyperreal.com From: Jon Drukman Subject: Re: DR-660 vs. R-8 Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 1:25 AM 6/14/96, Ronny Gardh wrote: >I compare my 909 & 808 bassdrums (in 660) towards my sampled 808/909 >sounds (directly from the orig). >The 660 sounds much weaker and you cannot change the sound so much either. i highly recommend a good compressor and/or distortion. i never use a kick drum from my 660 without putting it through my alesis 3630 compressor. -- I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was. Now, what I'm with isn't it, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me. It'll happen to you! From dr-660-owner Sun Jun 16 05:25:30 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA00795; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 05:25:30 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA00777; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 05:25:21 -0700 Received: from mindvox.phantom.com (root@mindvox.phantom.com [198.67.3.10]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA25741 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 03:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.32.218.101] (pm1-101.quicklink.com [204.32.218.101]) by mindvox.phantom.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id GAA15775; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 06:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606161029.GAA15775@mindvox.phantom.com> Subject: Re: DR-660 vs. R-8 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 96 06:28:44 -0400 From: antman To: "Ronny Gardh" , "660 List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Anyone knows if you can save different performances with the R8 MK-II ? >Which drummachine is used on depeche mode's speak&spell and yazoo's >upstairs at erics ??? > >Regards Ronny >From how I understand it, most of the percussion sounds on Speak & Spell were done on an Arp 2600. And I can believe it... I'm playing with one in between typing. Amazing box. I'm borrowing my friend's for about a week while he has my 606. I just did a killer acid-set with it. NO 303's HERE! At some point Yaz was using the Fairlight, which I believe they did most of the drums on as well. I used to DJ all that stuff, so I know the sounds very well. \|/ antman@quicklink.com OOO[ ! /|\ From dr-660-owner Tue Jun 18 09:36:27 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA24384; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:36:27 -0700 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA24379; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:36:25 -0700 Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id JAA04670; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:36:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:36:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:16:00 -0700 From: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com To: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Subject: BOUNCE dr-660@hyperreal.com: Non-member submission from [Interrupt ] >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jun 13 10:15:58 1996 Received: from acme.sb.west.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA25216; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:15:57 -0700 Received: from acme.sb.west.net (mbx719@acme.sb.west.net [205.254.224.2]) by acme.sb.west.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA13327 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:15:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:15:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Interrupt X-Sender: mbx719@acme.sb.west.net To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Tweak Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know this has been said before, but I've found that if you run the Dr-660 through your standard guitar distortion pedal (I personally use a Boss one,) it beefs things up a bit in the bass department (although it DOES make the already noisy Dr-660 even noiser.) Any clues on how to reduce the noise from the Dr-660? From dr-660-owner Thu Jun 20 14:03:09 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA01278; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:03:09 -0700 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA01199; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:02:51 -0700 Received: from twain.cs.washington.edu (twain.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.3]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA23460 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (map@localhost) by twain.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id NAA11627; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:49:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:49:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this was sent to me in response to somethin gi didnt post.. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 00:18:29 +0100 From: gerrad madden To: Mike Perkowitz Subject: Re: > >Any clues on how to reduce the noise from the Dr-660? > > I've done the same with a Distortion box. To eliminate the noise, I've ran it through a Studio master filter and a Gate. It's an old device, but after playing about the EQ and distortion tone you can get a pretty clean evil sound. Regards:- Tony G ,,, (o o) --------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo---------------------------------- * RADIO LIMERICK 95Mhz FM *|* BROADCASTING TO LIMERICK, IRELAND AND TO EUROPE * * 100 O'CONNELL STREET ****|* VIA THE ASTRA SATELITE ON THE VH1 TRANSPONDER *** * LIMERICK ****************|* AUDIO SUBCARRIER 7.29Mhz ************************ * IRELAND *****************|* ***********************************|TONY G|****** ******************************************************************************* ****** PHONE:- (INT ACCESS)+35361319595 OR +35387502848 FAX +35361419890 ****** ******************************************************************************* radiol@iol.ie From dr-660-owner Tue Jul 2 23:53:14 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA20503; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:53:14 -0700 Received: from ctos.weldnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA20497; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:53:12 -0700 Received: from DEFAULT by ctos.weldnet.com (NTMail 3.01.03) id za001143; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 00:51:10 -0600 Message-ID: <31DA0AB8.4728@weldnet.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 00:52:56 -0500 From: Troy Phagan X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Howdy! and Help! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello fellow DR-660'ers! I'm a total newbie to all of this so please forgive my ignorance:) I've had the 660 for about a year now, and am familiar with its common, non-midi operation. However, I just purchased Cakewalk Pro Audio for my Win95 system, and I'm trying to get my Dr-660 material into the sequencer. Here's my trouble: I can only get sounds from the rom-preset drum kits (0-6). Cakewalk will record note information from the user drumsets (7-38), but, oddly, there's no "real" audio produced. I am a guitar/bass player, and am just learning about midi, so any and all help would be appreciated. On another note:) I reviewed the archives (looking for pertinent info) and would like to throw my two cents in on the "techno" vs. "real" drum sounds issue: I bought the dr-660 1) because of price; 2) because of the interesting mix of sounds. I am into industrial/punk/metal and find the dr-660 well suited for my needs. Like someone else in the group said; Ideally, a real drummer would read my mind and do it all for me, but until I perfect my ESP skills, I'll try sequencing! Thanks for listening:) TSP From dr-660-owner Fri Aug 2 13:41:20 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA16344; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:41:20 -0700 Received: from simba.herald-mail.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA16338; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:41:17 -0700 Received: (from tmiller@localhost) by simba.herald-mail.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA25956; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:46:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:46:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Travis Miller To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Making jungle drums with the 660... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've been playing around with making jungle on my DR-660, and I thought I'd share what I've come up with so far. I am by no means a junglist but I was surprised with what I've been able to do. (I'd upload my drumkit, but sadly I don't have the means of doing so!) First of all, I've found a pretty cool bass sound useful for sketching out basslines...a lot better than the preset bass sounds, anyway. Layer an 808 conga, pitched down between 1200 and 2400 cents, with an 808 tom, pitched 1600 cents higher. Set the decay on both to +16, and the nuance on the conga to +7. Now set up several other pads this way, at various pitches (one semitone is 100 cents, if you don't know), and you can play melodies. For the snare...try an 808 snare, pitched +300, layered with sound 124 (hall stick) pitched -100, and with its decay set to -16. You might also want to turn the stick's level down a bit, to about 10 or 11. Now set the 808 snare's velocity curve to LIN1, and the stick's to XFDI. The kick drum...nothing special, just a 909 kick with all parameters at zero. I'm using CR-78 hihats, and the cabasa up and down sounds pitched +800 with their decay at minimum. I hope this is helpful to someone...let me know if you come up with anything new, better, interesting etc. from this. PLUR, greenie@herald-mail.com "Peace, or annihilation? It's your choice." -Orbital "This planet is OURS, and we have GOT to live together..." -Dubtribe "To animals, people are Nazis." -vegetarian proverb From dr-660-owner Fri Aug 2 14:53:04 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA23668; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:53:04 -0700 Received: from xanadu.cyborganic.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA23656; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:53:01 -0700 Received: from [206.79.132.104] (bass-kitten.cyborganic.com [206.79.132.104]) by xanadu.cyborganic.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA03204 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:53:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: jsd@ramona Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:51:23 -0700 To: DR-660@hyperreal.com From: Jon Drukman Subject: Re: Making jungle drums with the 660... Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 4:46 PM -0400 8/2/96, Travis Miller wrote: >I've been playing around with making jungle on my DR-660, and I thought >I'd share what I've come up with so far. I am by no means a junglist but >I was surprised with what I've been able to do. i've been heavily into making jungle recently but i have not had much success with the 660. instead of been using Steinberg's RECYCLE to chop up drum loops. i use the 660 for the occasional hi hat or stick noise but overall i haven't been lucky with it for jungle. the snares just don't have the necessary "crack" to them. whereas a snare from a gritty loop, pitched way up, and compressed all to hell sounds perfect. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Drukman jsd@cyborganic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dr-660-owner Tue Sep 17 12:17:15 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id MAA06532; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MIT.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id MAA06520; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MIT.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA19510; Tue, 17 Sep 96 15:17:06 EDT Received: from RDEV10-MAC-30.MIT.EDU by MIT.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA16736; Tue, 17 Sep 96 15:16:56 EDT Message-Id: <9609171916.AA16736@MIT.MIT.EDU> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 15:20:06 From: holcombe@MIT.EDU (Jon W. Holcombe) To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: DR-660 back-up Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Greetings all, (This is my first post to this very quiet list.) I'm trying to back-up the songs I've programmed on my DR-660. I have a Macintosh, but no sequencer. Any responses to the following would be appreciated: - Does anyone know of any shareware supporting a DR-660 Sysex dump to Macintosh? - Failing that, can anyone recommend a relatively cheap, commercially- available software that would support a DR-660 Sysex dump to Mac? - Alternatively, any recommendation as to where I might find an Alesis DataDisk? I'd appreciate any responses, either to me personally or to the group. Thanks. Jon W. Holcombe holcombe@mit.edu From dr-660-owner Wed Sep 18 06:26:26 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id GAA12648; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 06:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MIT.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id GAA12643; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 06:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MIT.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21348; Wed, 18 Sep 96 09:26:20 EDT Received: from RDEV10-MAC-30.MIT.EDU by MIT.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA01539; Wed, 18 Sep 96 09:26:07 EDT Message-Id: <9609181326.AA01539@MIT.MIT.EDU> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 96 09:29:19 From: holcombe@MIT.EDU (Jon W. Holcombe) To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Thanks Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk A quick note to thank everyone who responded to my message yesterday -- your answers were helpful and most appreciated. I can now verify that, even if things are a bit quiet here, the DR-660 list lives! From dr-660-owner Sat Sep 21 18:20:41 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA27683; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA27678; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (map@localhost) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id SAA18966 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:20:30 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:20:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: BOUNCE dr-660@hyperreal.com: Non-member submission from ["Crispen, Bob" ] (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk sorry bob, majordomo bounced your mail ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 05:23:39 -0700 (PDT) From: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com To: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Subject: BOUNCE dr-660@hyperreal.com: Non-member submission from ["Crispen, Bob" ] >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Sep 18 05:23:37 1996 Received: from atc.boeing.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id FAA08058; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 05:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by atc.boeing.com (5.65/splinter.boeing.com) id AA17240; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 05:23:14 -0700 Received: by xch-hsv-01.EXCHANGE with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BBA532.4B3CE350@xch-hsv-01.EXCHANGE>; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 07:23:31 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Crispen, Bob" To: "'DR-660@hyperreal.com'" , "'holcombe@MIT.EDU'" Subject: RE: DR-660 back-up Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 07:23:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >holcombe@MIT.EDU[SMTP:holcombe@MIT.EDU] sez: >>I'm trying to back-up the songs I've programmed on my DR-660. I have a >>Macintosh, but no sequencer. Any responses to the following would be >>appreciated: If you have any of the "workstation" type synthesizers, with built-in 3.5" floppy drives, you may be able to back up via MIDI to your synth (most of which use DOS-formatted disks) and then to your Mac. I know for sure the Yamaha V50 will take full and partial dumps (and restore them, too). Bob Crispen bob.crispen@boeing.com speaking for myself, not my company From dr-660-owner Mon Sep 23 00:39:27 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id AAA01788; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 00:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vodka.cephb.fr by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id AAA01782; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 00:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tubacher@localhost) by vodka.cephb.fr (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA26716 for DR-660@hyperreal.com; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:41:44 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:41:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: Emmanuel Tubacher Message-Id: <199609230741.JAA26716@vodka.cephb.fr> To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Individual outs kill my nerves Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello all, I really feel stupid about this but I'm also getting n-nn-nnnnuts ! So here it is : How do I set a pad to individual output #1/#2 on my 660 ? I have the owner's manual but can't get through ! I've spent some time repeating the operations step by step without success. I guess that my english is not perfect but I have no trouble with the rest of the book ! I select reverb/chorus, select ind1/ind2, go to 'pad' mode and then everything goes wrong. Can someone tell me what I'm missing ? I know it works, because I've already done it once -with luck but can't recall how. Many thanks, Emmanuel From dr-660-owner Mon Sep 23 04:57:19 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id EAA22928; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 04:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccnet3.ccnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id EAA22923; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 04:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (selah@localhost) by ccnet3.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA19150; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 04:53:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ccnet3.ccnet.com: selah owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 04:53:21 -0700 (PDT) From: selah X-Sender: selah@ccnet3 To: Emmanuel Tubacher cc: DR-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Individual outs kill my nerves In-Reply-To: <199609230741.JAA26716@vodka.cephb.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk someone please tell me the recipe for "unsubscribing " to this group please. thank you ... be specific \\\\\\\\\\ JV1080 ~ MIDIVERB4 /////////// CAF~STUDIO MODULE~XOR/UNISYN~SONY DAT TCDD3 DR660~ATARI FALCON~ALESIS 3630,MEQ230 \\\\\\\\\\ \=====/ ////////// selah @ccnet.com From dr-660-owner Mon Sep 23 18:55:16 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id SAA02624; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id SAA02616; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cent.cs.tu-berlin.de (mho@cent.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.22.20]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA21763; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 03:55:08 +0200 Received: (mho@localhost) by cent.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.13/8.6.6) id DAA20834; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 03:55:07 +0200 Message-Id: <199609240155.DAA20834@cent.cs.tu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: Individual outs kill my nerves To: Emmanuel.Tubacher@cephb.fr (Emmanuel Tubacher) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 03:55:05 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: dr-660@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199609230741.JAA26716@vodka.cephb.fr> from "Emmanuel Tubacher" at Sep 23, 96 09:41:44 am From: Michael Hopp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > > How do I set a pad to individual output #1/#2 on my 660 ? > > I have the owner's manual but can't get through ! > I've spent some time repeating the operations step by step without success. > I guess that my english is not perfect but I have no trouble with the rest > of the book ! > > I select reverb/chorus, select ind1/ind2, go to 'pad' mode and then > everything goes wrong. > lets see.. reverb/chorus followed by > enables the ind1/ind2 outputs and disables reverb or chorus on all pads. the value in the upper right is the output level of the selected pad on the individual out. its important that this is not 0 for the desired output. next, pressing 'pad' does not put "pad" on the display as the manual says but you get to the pad parameters. you select the pan setting with < / > and set it beyond the rightmost position so it reads "indiv". this works for me, good luck. -- mho@cs.tu-berlin.de - listening to the music the machines make - - I let my heart break - I felt the floor change - - just for a moment - into an ocean - From dr-660-owner Wed Sep 25 04:56:32 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id EAA19832; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 04:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bbcgate.bbc.co.uk by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id EAA19825; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 04:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.radio.bbc.co.uk (rimfall.radio.bbc.co.uk [132.185.47.21]) by bbcgate.bbc.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id MAA22263 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:56:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from nr-comms.radio.bbc.co.uk by mail.radio.bbc.co.uk with SMTP id AA19542 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:56:19 +0100 X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 25-Sep-1996 12:54:23 +0100; at link1.bbc X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 25-Sep-1996 12:52:43 -0400; at tc1.bbc To: DR-660@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <842C493201332C19@-SMF-> Subject: DR-660 + Jungle=? From: matt.deards@bbc.co.uk (Matt Deards) Date: 25 Sep 96 12:52:52 GMT References: <842C493202332C19@-SMF-> Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi, anyone know how I can ruff up the nice clean sounds that I get from my DR-660 so they have a more drum & bass feel to them? I'm a bit of a midi moron so any help will do. Any one had any experience in sending drum arrangements from the PC Orchestrator plus sequencer down to their DR-660? When ever I try following the manual I cant get the DR-660 to revieve anything. Whats all this sysex stuff I keep hearing about, should I be looking towards that direction. Thanks in advance for any help, Matt. From dr-660-owner Sat Sep 28 19:56:36 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id TAA06441; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 19:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id TAA06433; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 19:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (map@localhost) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with SMTP id TAA10752 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 19:56:55 -0700 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 19:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: DR-660 + Jungle=? In-Reply-To: <842C493201332C19@-SMF-> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well i just finished recorded a junglish track today on which the 660 was responsible for all the percussion *and* the bassline. my current standard trick forthe 660 is to make a drum kit where all the drum sounds are in pad bank A and panned left and bank B is full of 808 kick (#42) pitched up and down and panned hard right (perhaps with nuance at +3 or more and the decay up a bit.. and all in the same mono play group). i do the left/right thing to separate the snares and other sounds from the bassline, but i dont feel like messing with the individual outs. now i take the drum channel and run it through some space effects. often a clock-synced delay to make my drum patterns denser, then some weird phasers, flangers, distortion, or lexicon vortex craziness. the bassline channel i typically leave dry but with the bass EQ (on my mackie 1604) way up and the high EQ way down. separating them in this very simple way lets you get some really full basslines while also really screwing with your oter drum sounds. i also have an 808 and a 909, so i use the 660 mostly for weirder effects (eg cr78 samples pitched down an octave or two) and thingslike congas and bongos. for the track i did today, i made a bassline on the 660 and sampled it running through distortion (dp4). then i got some snare patterns going and sampled those. i did things like cutting up and reversing bits of those loops and only used the 660 in the actual song for a snare roll or two. on the 660 itself, you can get some odd effects by playing with the flanger effect.. try a short delay and the rate and dept both set to 1 to get a stationary flange, or a very low rate for a slow sweep that sounds pretty cool. > moron so any help will do. Any one had any experience in sending drum > arrangements from the PC Orchestrator plus sequencer down to their > DR-660? When ever I try following the manual I cant get the DR-660 to > revieve anything. Whats all this sysex stuff I keep hearing about, should > I be looking towards that direction. you shouldnt need to do anything with sysex to play your 660 sounds from your computer sequencer. just set up a track sending on whatever channel you have the 660 receiving on, and send notes corresponding to the ones youv'e assigned to the various sounds. check in the manual for info on how to set that up. random 660 tidbit: there's dr660 all over the drum club live in iceland cd. and i occasionally hear them on tracks i hear at parties. some of those sounds are pretty damn distinctive; though i suppose it could be another roland drum machine with the sme sounds.. mike ______________________________________________________________________________ For example, suppose you have observed that children cry when they fall down. You should write: "Methodological observation of the sociometrical behavior tendencies of prematurated isolates indicates that a causal relationship exists between groundward tropism and lachrimatory, or 'crying,' behavior forms." -- Dave Barry on sociology ______________________________________________________________________________ www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ map@cs.washington.edu www.hyperreal.com/music/labels/grooveneedle/ tint@grooveneedle.com www.hyperreal.com/machines/ mike perkowitz From dr-660-owner Sat Sep 28 21:02:58 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id VAA10645; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 21:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from locke.ccil.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id VAA10638; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 21:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (fredb@localhost) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) id AAA08926; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 00:10:15 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 00:10:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Fred Bowen Subject: Keyboard To: DR-660 Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I realize it this isn't all that pertinent to the dr660 mailing list, but I value the opinon of a 660 user... I've had my dr660 for some time now, loving it to death and using it as both a drum machine and a poor-boy's sequencer of sorts; and I've done some really cool stuff. Unfortunately, the dr660 is really my only piece of equipment aside from instruments, a coupla fx boxes, etc. But with this wonderful new job of mine, and more cash in my pocket I'd really like to get a workstation-type digital keyboard. I've been looking around compairing all the biggies and I've taken a liking to the Korg x3. What do you all think? Thanks for your attention and help. ============================================================================= "Hell is full of musical amateurs; music is the brandy of the damned." -- George Bernard Shaw >- fRED b. -< ============================================================================= From dr-660-owner Mon Sep 30 10:51:24 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA07538; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA07531; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id KAA01010; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:51:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:51:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: Re: Keyboard Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk majordomo bounced your mail.. here it is ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Sep 29 03:08:28 1996 Received: from acme.sb.west.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id DAA03168; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 03:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acme.sb.west.net (mbx719@acme.sb.west.net [205.254.224.2]) by acme.sb.west.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA18900 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 03:05:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 03:05:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Interrupt X-Sender: mbx719@acme.sb.west.net To: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Keyboard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I love my DR660 as well. My small "synth" setup includes the DR660, an Alesis MMT-8 sequencer, and an Emax I. I'd love to own me a classic like a Juno 106 or Jupiter 8, but that's down the road sometime. I'm not really big into those digital workstations...although on the new front, I'd really like to get my hands on that Korg Prophecy. Has anyone played around with the MC-303 yet? Are the 808 and 909 samples on there similar to the DR-660s? scott warner interrupt@pbrealtors.com From dr-660-owner Mon Sep 30 10:58:39 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id KAA08216; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beargrass.cs.washington.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with SMTP id KAA08203; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (map@localhost) by beargrass.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id KAA01030; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:58:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:58:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Perkowitz To: DR-660 Mailing List Subject: 660-sample-a-thon Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk after my recent post about using the 660 in a new track, someone asked me (hi there:) if i could put samples up. how's this: if you've got some short samples of your DR-660 in use in a track, upload them to the DR-660 web and let us know. you can FTP things to hyperreal.com in /machines/DR-660/incoming/ if you cant do that, send me email privately. btw, you can find some 660 used in some of my tracks at www.grooveneedle.com/tint/circle.html that's all 909+808+DR660+samples. i forget if those particular snippets are 660-heavy, but i'll let y'all know if i upload some more stuff m ______________________________________________________________________________ "This sentence does in fact not have the property it claims not to have." -- Robert Boeninger ______________________________________________________________________________ www.cs.washington.edu/homes/map/ map@cs.washington.edu www.hyperreal.com/music/labels/grooveneedle/ tint@grooveneedle.com www.hyperreal.com/machines/ mike perkowitz From dr-660-owner Mon Sep 30 13:37:31 1996 Return-Path: dr-660-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) id NAA24509; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from piglet.cc.utexas.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.7.5/V2.0) with ESMTP id NAA24495; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: ik@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Received: (from ik@localhost) by piglet.cc.utexas.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3/piglet.mc-1.4) id PAA19390; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 15:36:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 15:36:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199609302036.PAA19390@piglet.cc.utexas.edu> To: map@cs.washington.edu CC: dr-660@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: 660-sample-a-thon Reply-to: ik@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Sender: dr-660-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Howabout a 660 FAQ? Is there one out there somewhere? Anyone interested in compiling one? (Mike? ;) Along the same lines, is there an archive of the mailing list somewhere? -- .......................................................... This message brought to you by the Friendly Folks at: Brian ..........................................................