Thing is, chas, I don't discuss my Triton or Kurzweil here, I don't post about tips and tricks for it, I don't expect that people here will find it very useful. There are Korg Forums and Kurzweil forums for those WS's, and THAT'S where I go to to listen and discuss those keyboards. No-one there much wants to hear about my arranger, it's a WS forum... and no-one, to be quite frank, has much use or skill to use here for a Groove WS VSTi player.

We've already had five years or so of listening to mostly godawful user AND factory demos of the MS when it tried to be an arranger. It was a complete bust. It was a GREAT VSTi player, with a really awful arranger front end (c'mon, man! No Bass inversions after five years? ) and a terrible selection of styles and basic soundset. Sure, you COULD make it sound better, but it is obvious no-one succeeded at that task, not even the manufacturer!

So, now it's a WS/Groove production tool. Great! And now, it belongs on the Groove/WS forum. It's not that those things don't get an occasional mention here, but Jeez! Dom can't sneeze without it gets trumpeted here. No-one comes here and touts every new OS upgrade to K2600's, or M3's or FantomG's, or tries to discuss them seriously with us. They do it on the forum that the users of those products populate. Sure, every now and again, they pop up on our radar. But give the Lionstracs products a rest, already! They LONG ago failed on the whole to pass muster with us.

I wish the Lionstracs people all the best, think they have got a great product, and wish them nothing but success... In the WS world. But they don't belong here, other than peripheral discussion. This incessant info blitz is out of place. Kurzweil users don't bring their baggage here, MotifXS users don't bring their baggage here, and for this to remain the General ARRANGER forum, neither should Lionstracs. They decided they no longer want to develop an arranger. Good for them! I'm sure they'll take off now they have woken up to who their REAL market is.

It just ain't us...