i have been away for the weekend so just catching up on his thread . Just listened to Nedims conversion demo of the korg country style.

Let me say first off that to my ears it was a useable conversion. But it was not in my ears better than the korg other than the piano used in the right hand.

Let me qualify what i am saying.

Firstly the two recordings are not done at the same levels so the Goliath demo was much louder through my speakers than the Korg demo. The bass was heavy and not balanced with the other instruments . The instruments used were not like for like. The Korg demo used either steel string and 12 string guitars in the style or just the 12 string. You can actually hear the twang of the bass string on the steel string guitar and the sound is nicely separated from the true bass guitar. Nedim what instruments did you use in the style you compared with the Korg ? I thought you probably used a nylon string in the style ? Can you note down what instruments wee used in the goliath style and compare them to the Korg and also what tracks they were on. You will probably realise that the korg styles often use two guitars tracks at the same time and you may have picked the wrong guitar for at least one of the guitar tracks. Please do a direct comparrison as the Goliath demos sounded like you used different instruments. I dont know if the steel string guitars was replaced with an electric one (which of course is your choice ) but i wanted to hear what the MS would sound like when the instruments were replaced like with like. Is that what hapened here ? Or are my ears completely wacked ? If the fault is mine and my ears are out then i wont participate in these discussions anymore simply because i am not qualified to but i know i have a keen ear. I am pretty sure they were not the same types of guitars, basses etc used .

Remember the test was that simply by using the superior VST instrument the style would sound better ? Did it ? Was it even easy trying to select the correct instruments ?

The demo underlines what dikki was saying about EQ and balance. In the Korg drum fills the sound volumes are nice and balanced and no one percusive instruments jumps out during a fill . The toms sound nice and rounded and balanced .When i turn up the volume of the korg demo so it sounds as loud as the goliath one, the bass does not boom and the kick drum does not boom and drown out the rest of the style. Thats not about volume, thats about correct EQ' tweaking. Listen again to the Goliath demo and the drum fills . The toms sound like they are being hit through paper.A floor tom does not sound like that. Thats not the fault of the sound source. Thats partly because the drums kit indivually needs to be balanced eq'd correctly to get the roundness of the toms.

I can hear the imbalance and rawness. Was i the only one that heard that ?

I know that this is all subjective. Maybe Nedim was trying to get the sound that he did.

But this test showed a very basic style conversion and dont misunderstand me its useable (but to my ears not up to the quality in terms of balance and overall cohesive sound ) of the original korg style. The the piano sounded better on the goliath demo and one of the electric guitars.i know that there are better selections of pianos and guitars on the korg than the one in the demo.

How about picking a style that obviously uses RX sounds, scrapes, muted notes dead notes and slides like a korg funk style.

This demo was no different than the one James did and i appreciate it nedim honestly i do. I have appreciated the work you have done on the Korg forum as well as here. I simply want to see how those sounds that are non musical that are integrated into the styles like the picks, scrapes, dead notes etc translate into a conversion using the best sounds like with like.

Even from this limited test i can see that the subtleties are lost when the wrong instruments, guitars , drum kits and balance are used within the converted style. I imagine it would take a fair while to even select the best drum kit as you dont know which instrumemnts in the kit are going to jump out in a fill. The choice gets harder if you are faced with maybe 4 different fills.

In my ears the goliath demo sounded more live but i would like to qualify that. I mean that in a live situation it is dificult to get the balance right and to get the right tone from your guitar and to get your drum kit mic'd up correctly. The Korg is renounded for its live sound but that does not mean imbalanced.

Dennis i have read somewhere that you wont be doing a A B demo of a style converted and played on the MS. Please reconsider. There will be lots of differences in peoples tastes but if the exact same instruments are used in an AB comparrison then the only margib=n for variance will be the skill of the style converter. the more examples fro different users that we have the more we can get a sense of how much skill is required to get a style converted beyond just acceptable. If in our experiments we find that evcen with the best sounds we cant get the styles to sound overal better then we (read i) would be wasting my time buying all these great sound libraries if i could not get the richness of sound they are capable of.

Thanks again for all your help James Nedim and Dennis.