I don't think anyone on this forum is going to buy a MS/Groove strictly for it's arranger functions. So what, if someone long ago and far away said it would make a great arranger. Who cares. Why keep banging away at something no one cares about anyway? Why keep trying to 'save' people that clearly don't want to be saved. Once you've made your point(s) and the handful of people who are interested in the MS have responded with 'thanks, I hear you, but I still like the machine', then maybe it's time to let it go and move on. Everyone here is over 21 and capable of making up their own minds. Plus, as long as they're paying for their own equipment with their own money, why should anyone else be concerned about what they like or what they purchase?

The point is, we can (and should) point out what we like and dislike about a piece of equipment but should NOT insist that everyone else share OUR point of view. What we believe is valid for us, what the other guy believes is valid for him. We need to respect that. Once we've presented (our view of) the information and the 'other guy' chooses to ignore it and ends up making a purchasing mistake, well that's his right; he's an adult. Maybe he'll listen to you next time, maybe he WON'T, that's his right, too. We all know what happens when someone DEMANDS that everyone come around to their way of thinking. We should probably try to avoid that here on SZ, no matter how passionately we feel about something (musical). JMO.

chas