"The overall drop in arrangers above BOTL sales numbers, and the flatness of TOTL sales overall." Would that be only concerning Roland?

I have sold more arrangers this year than last year, and last year was great...mostly S-910's and Tyros3, with a scattering of S710 this year.

As far as the home market, which is primarily, but not exclusively, the intended destination of Tyros and S-series, the products seem to have been bang on in regards to features being added/upgraded.

The S-910 is possibly the best bang for the buck out there, and even though it's MOTL, it has nearly everything the TOTL has...except the higher price tag.

One time I was concerned that Yamaha was focusing in the wrong direction, but that was a while ago, when the PSR-4500/4600 were being sold against Roland's much better designed E-series...but, Yamaha saw the writing on the wall, and took a similar path as Roland, especially with the PSR-8000.

On SZ, most of us are pros and require pro features on an arranger, and, yes, we aren't exactly typical of the average arranger buyer.

Still, products, intended mainly for home use, end up being used by pros.

Roland's take on the G-70 was that it was for pros first, and home players second, if at all...unfortunately, there aren't that many pros who use arrangers, at least not enough to make an exclusively "pro" instrument viable.

The E-series was a home product, yet many pros used them...they sold a pile of them...I bought several models...what didn't sell to pros, was sold to home users.

Maybe that's where Roland went off the rails...why not focus first on a home instrument, but one that can also be used by pros?

Makes sense. The Tyros/PSR have been doing it quite successfully the past several years, or more.

Ian