I certainly didn't mean to put anyone down and only meant that as a genre', jazz is, IMO, just flat out harder to master than most other genre's. I think it's partly because of the improvisational nature of it (some folks just can't play ANYTHING unless it's written down - I know some excellent classical players that fit that description), the more complex voicings and phrasing, the more complex and, in some cases, much speedier tempos, and just the fact that it's not as familiar to most folks unless they grew up in a household where it was played.

That said, it doesn't make those who attempt it, despite all of the above, 'pretenders', and I'm sorry I chose that word, as on re-reading, it does smack of 'elitism'. BTW, I definitely consider myself one of the 'pretenders' as I feel extremely challenged every single night we play, even after all these years. But, in my mind, that's the fun and the value of it; 'no pain, no gain'. For me anyway, when playing jazz, I don't feel as though I can relax for a single second, that I must constantly listen to what everyone else is doing (and respond accordingly) and always search for new ways to express what the music is making me feel. I just don't get that from other music forms, except maybe for Blues.

So for all those that I offended with that statement, I apologize, and I certainly would encourage any and all to both listen to and play jazz, as it's the very best way to expand it's acceptance and appreciation for the art form. Glad you called me out on that, Dennis. I wasn't really aware of how it sounded when I posted it.

chas