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#111238 - 02/09/02 01:39 PM Re: PSR2000 going back!
Uncle Dave Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
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AJ - Ketron is IN New York - go see an SD1 at the distribution center !!!!!
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#111239 - 02/09/02 03:51 PM Re: PSR2000 going back!
Tom Cavanaugh Offline
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Registered: 12/06/99
Posts: 2133
Loc: Muskegon, MI
I took the 2000 back and bought the 9000. I haven't had time to try it yet. I have a gig tonight at the Moose and will use my X1.

I used internal speakers, I used headphones, I used external speakers. Now onward to the 9000.

Dano and Aj-Ketron
I know you didn't design or manufacture the vocal harmonizer. It is indeed a plus and I use it all the time. AJ's latest vocal settings are a significant improvement over the stock ones and I thank AJ for offering them to me. I just thought that with your power and influence with the Ketron company you could spur them on to bigger and better things.
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#111240 - 02/10/02 06:20 AM Re: PSR2000 going back!
john smies Offline
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Registered: 05/05/00
Posts: 1384
Loc: koudekerke, Holland.
Hi Tom

I am very anxious to read your next posting as to the PSR9000, cause I for one find it very hard to imagine that someone who is not all that satisfied with the PSR2000 could be over the moon about the 9000. (so mark your words my friend !!!!)
Seriously though I am really curious because I owned both 9000 and 2000 for a short period of time. As you know neither could please me a lot and in the end, much like Bluesplayer I settled down with the Korg PA-80 and have not regretted it ever since.
(in all fairness I should add I also play the old and trusted Solton MS50 and Roland E70).

By the way Tom, good to see we beat you on the Olympics on the very first day at the
5000metres fast skating !!!!!!!!!!!!

greetings,

john.

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#111241 - 02/10/02 11:04 AM Re: PSR2000 going back!
Beakybird Offline
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Registered: 01/27/01
Posts: 2227
I thought the PSR9000 just had some additional voices the PSR2000 didn't have, but many of the voices are identical. Of course, the PSR9000 has much better speakers. You might grow to love these voices. I really love Yamaha voices. You'll definitely love the hard drive and being able to get all of the PSR2000 and CVP209 styles in one easy to access place. But if you were really disenchanted with the PSR2000's voices, you might need to move on to another brand.
When I tried the Solton X1 after really loving the PSR740, I was at first really disenchanted with the Solton's voices. My friends here at the synth forum told me I should give the X1 a second chance, which when I did, I came to love the styles and voices. I got rid of the X1 for other reasons.
So Tom, you might get used to the Yammi voices and come to love them. You might really dig the superior piano and additional voices on the PSR9000. I hope so, because Guitar Center might get ticked when you make your second return.
I know you'll miss the OTS system that the PSR2000 has. Can you create OTSs for styles on the PSR9000's hard drive? or only with flash rom styles?

Larry

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#111242 - 02/11/02 07:05 AM Re: PSR2000 going back!
Tom Cavanaugh Offline
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Registered: 12/06/99
Posts: 2133
Loc: Muskegon, MI
Larry and John,

Larry your are correct about the x1's sounds. I complained about the clarinet sound on the x1. I wasn't impressed with it. After hearing the Yammie sounds I now know better. The clarinet on th x1 sounds like a bad live clarinet player. Not a great player but real and live. The others are more like instant coffee. The night, alto, and tenor sax are very good on the X1. The Miles trumpet and muted trumpet are also very very good. None of the 9000 voice compare.

However, I only unboxed the 9000 yesterday. I got to play it for about 30 minutes. So far I like it much better than the 2000. There IS a difference in the voices. The scaling is much better. To me they sound a little more real. The solo brass and woodwinds are still not as good as the x1's but they are somewhat better than the 2000. The piano seems better. The organs seem a little better although the Lesile simulation still is not as good as it is on my X1. I just absolutely love the vocal harmonizer on this thing. I could almost keep it just because it does such a good job with the vocals. It is simple to use, it has many descriptive presets, and it sounds very very good.

I do like the 9000 much better already. There is a difference in the sound from the 2000. It is not because of the better internal speakers. I have them turned off. I'm running it through my PA as I did the 2000. Even after 30 minutes I feel as though I could live with the 9000. Will I like it better? I don't know.

I'm not sure what you mean by OTS on the 9000. When you select a style there are 4 presets that set the right hand up with voices that compliment the selected style. I thought this was OTS. Is OTS something different?

Guitar Center might get ticked if I return it but they do not stock the SD-1 (which I would like to try) like other stores in their chain. We are not talking about a 400 dollar Fender Strat guitar here. We are talking about a 2500 dollar investment. For that kind of money I'm going to make very sure. These keyboards have so much on them that you can't make an educated purchase just playing them in the store for an hour or so. Besides the store was a zoo. There was so much playing going on it sounded more like NAMM. There was no way you could get a good listen in the store.

So far I like it much better than the 2000.

Larry or Donny, where can I find the other Yamaha and converted styles for the 9000?

John, about the Dutch gold medal, as my boss says "Even a blind pig finds a few acorns".
John what does "ate schmock-a-lick" mean?

Regards,

Tom
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#111243 - 02/11/02 08:32 AM Re: PSR2000 going back!
George Kaye Offline
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Registered: 11/24/99
Posts: 3305
Loc: Reseda, California USA
Not all the CVP209 styles will work on the 9000pro or the PSR9000. Those styles called "session styles" are not backwards compatible. If you try to play these in the 9000 series you get an error reading on the screen. It's the session styles that are the much more exciting styles with much more "content" in the styles. I've checked with Yamaha when I noticed the downloaded styles worked in the PSR2000 but not the PSR9000 a few months ago.
George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
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#111244 - 02/11/02 08:51 AM Re: PSR2000 going back!
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
Tom......

You Got Mail!

donny nj

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#111245 - 02/11/02 09:07 AM Re: PSR2000 going back!
dlstarry Offline
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Registered: 02/04/01
Posts: 698
Loc: MN. U.S.A.
Tom
You got more mail
Enjoying the 9000 PRO
Denny
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#111246 - 02/11/02 11:52 AM Re: PSR2000 going back!
Eric, B Offline
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Registered: 12/15/99
Posts: 2029
Loc: Ventura, Ca, USA
Hi George and Tom,

the session styles from the Yahoo group that Ulrich Montag posted should work, since he converted them for the 9000.

I have them and they work fine.

Tom, I think that the sounds in the 9000 will satisfy you more, but some of the styles are less excitng than in the new 2000.

Combine those styles with the 9000 sounds and you've got a nice machine.
Make sure that you got the latest OS, so you can call up styles easily from registration memory. Great feature, I use it a lot.

If you need any styles let me know.

Eric
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#111247 - 02/11/02 01:41 PM Re: PSR2000 going back!
MarcK Offline
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Registered: 07/27/01
Posts: 205
Voice preferences are of course a matter of taste, but frankly I was blown away by the Sweet Soprano Sax on the PSR-2000......almost too good to be true. Very expressive, really inspiring! On the other hand, the Sweet Trumpet seemed "too sweet", but I could see it having use.

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