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#118035 - 06/11/05 08:06 AM Bose PAS first night out...
travlin'easy Offline
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
Last night, the Bose PAS system debuted at a mid-size venue in Baltimore, one where I have been playing for about 2 years. The problem at this particular location is I perform in one room and the audience is in another connected room. The opening between the rooms is approximately 15 feet wide, and there is a drop-down wall from the ceiling, thereby creating the worst possible conditions for moving sound. It's almost like playing in one room and hoping the music can be heard in another that's filled with people who are talking loudly.

After setting up the system, I fired up the keyboard, then played a midi file and walked throughout the area to determine how the sound is carried. I did this before the crowd arrived. While there was some fall-off in volume at about 10 to 15 feet away when I passed through the opening, it was not as signicant as most other systems I've used. Additionally, the fall-off did not persist until I reached the other end of the second 80 foot long room where the bartender was watching a sports show on TV. At that point, the TV's volume competed with the Bose PAS.

I'm still not happy with all the instrument voice sounds--particularly the grand piano. Some of this could be my hearing, which is shot to hell from guns going off over my head while serving in the U.S. Navy. Most of the other sounds, especially the guitar and sax sounds, are excellent to superb.

As for the vocals, no system on the market today can touch the Bose PAS--it's beyond description. Everyone in the audience commented on how clear and crisp the vocals sounded and they all loved the music. The keyboard's styles come through very well, and sound nearly the same as the those coming from the keyboard's onboard speakers.

Hookup time is a bit longer than I would like, about 20 minutes to set up everything, compared to 10 minutes using the Barbetta Sonas and 12 to 15 mininutes using the Logitech Z-5500. I believe configuring the cables into a harness will solve some of this problem, thereby decreasing hookup time to 10 to 12 minutes.

Bottom line with the Bose PAS is the jury is still out and I have to take it on a few more jobs to be sure whether or not I'll keep it. My wife says it sounds much better than the Barbetta Sona 32-Cs, and I value her input in these matters, again because my hearing is shot to hell.

In comparison to the Logitech Z-5500 system, the Bose PAS obviously has considerably more power--about 250 watts RMS more. However, the Z-5500 will readily handle an audience of 100 to 125 people in most mid-size venues. I've used it on two occassions at the same place I performed last night with glowing reviews from the audiences. The fall-off was greater than the Bose PAS, but not to the point where it became a problem. Additionally, because it is full stereo, and has a significant amount of depth and quality with it's surround-sound speaker system, it really surpasses most systems I've used that were touted as high-performance PA systems, including the Peavey's that I've previously owned. The piano sounds with the Z-5500 are outstanding, which I can only attibute to the fact they are stero sampled, and the Z-5500 is a full-stero system. With the exception of a few individuals, all of the pro performers that have heard and usd the Logitech Z-5500 system will tell you that this little $350 U.S. sound system out-performs most $1,000 pro systems available from music speciality stores. If you buy the Z-5500, I suggest that you purchase it from an outlet with a liberal return policy. Then after trying it out, if you do not like what you hear, you can return it for a refund. This is the same policy I have with the Bose PAS system. If at the end of 45 days I do not believe it will do the job, which I hope to know long before that time, it will be returned to Bose for a full refund.

More to come,

Gary
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#118036 - 06/11/05 08:40 AM Re: Bose PAS first night out...
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Gary, thanx for the thorough review on the Bose PAS, sounds like the Logitec z5500 system is is more then enough for your venues.....good thing you have the 45 day return policy in place. Maybe you should buy another Logitec system for backup, sell the Barbettas, return the Bose and still have plenty of money to take your wife out for a good time!!

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 06-11-2005).]

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#118037 - 06/11/05 10:17 AM Re: Bose PAS first night out...
Beakybird Offline
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Registered: 01/27/01
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You might want to get a couple of used wireless mics to plug into your keyboard or mixer. Then you can send a signal to some Z-5500's and put them in the other room.

This might be an option if you play at this venue often.

Beakybird

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#118038 - 06/11/05 11:46 AM Re: Bose PAS first night out...
trident Offline
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Registered: 08/22/04
Posts: 1457
Loc: Athens, Greece
Gary,
Nail the Bose "pole" to the floor and hire a girl to do some pole dancing.
Neither the customers nor you will complain about the sound anymore.

Having nothing to say on the matter, this is the first thing that sprang to my mind. I am hoping I dont offend you.
Theodore

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#118039 - 06/11/05 01:30 PM Re: Bose PAS first night out...
travlin'easy Offline
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
Larry,

At the price of the Bose PAS I can buy a half-dozen Z-5500 systems and still have a few bucks left over to throw a big party for most of the Synthzoners. In reality, that might not be a bad idea.

Theodore,

For the amount of money the music business pays I couldn't afford the pole dancer, but it would be one hell of an added touch to the act. Some of those old guys, unfortunately, would drop dead in their tracks if a pole dancer was added to the performance. The others would be shot by their wives just for watching her perform.

Gary
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#118040 - 06/11/05 02:30 PM Re: Bose PAS first night out...
Sheriff Offline
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Registered: 02/18/05
Posts: 965
Loc: Frankfurt, Hessen, Germany
Oh, Gary! You didn't lose your humor...

So, do you think that the Bose PAS are worth the money? Well, I guess this special location you've mentioned is a hard nut for every PA system...

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Sheriff ;-)
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#118041 - 06/11/05 04:43 PM Re: Bose PAS first night out...
travlin'easy Offline
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
Sheriff,

I've tried three different sound systems at this location and so far the Bose has been the best in reaching out to the other room. As for sound quality, particularly for instrument voices, it will difficult to top the Logitech Z-5500. For vocals, the Bose wins hands down.

I hope to do some more tuning tonight and make the bose instrument voices sound better, especially the piano, which I tend to use more than any other voice.

Cheers,

Gary
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#118042 - 06/11/05 05:11 PM Re: Bose PAS first night out...
Bernie9 Offline
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Registered: 09/21/02
Posts: 5520
Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
Gary
By tuning,I assume you mean trying presets. There are about 80 to choose from.
Bernie
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#118043 - 06/11/05 07:09 PM Re: Bose PAS first night out...
mr82thebar Offline
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Registered: 08/03/02
Posts: 135
Loc: Baltimore,Md.
Gary. I'm from Balmore(Baltimoreese). Where do you play. I'll try to stop by and see you. Bob Lee
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#118044 - 06/11/05 09:33 PM Re: Bose PAS first night out...
travlin'easy Offline
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
Bernie,

Yes, working with the presets, and also tuning the 3000s EQs to get peak performance from the right hand instrument voices.

Bob,

You have mail.

Gary
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